January 30, 2009

What getting kicked to the curb in the age of new media looks like

Dear Jeff,

As you know, last September Pajamas Media began a new initiative in Internet television called Pajamas TV. When we started with our RNC coverage from Minneapolis, we noted that we would be in a Beta Phase through the first quarter of 2009. In the last few months we have strengthened the PJTV lineup with shows covering Media Bias, Education Bias, Middle East Update, Sharia and Jihad, Powerline Report, Ask Dr. Helen, Hugh News, Poliwood, Conservatism 2.0, Economy and Finance, National Security, and others.

As the end of the first quarter approaches and we near the production phase of Pajamas TV, we will continue to build our emphasis in this area. As a result we have decided to wind down the Pajamas Media Blogger and advertising network effective March 31, 2009. The PJM portal and the XPressBlogs will continue as is.

Since our ad relationship continues for the time being, you should note that in order to be paid for the 1st quarter of 2009, you must leave the current Pajamas ads up until 12:01AM April 1. We will be sending you information in mid-March on removing the ads. As of April 1, 2009, you will be free to arrange syndication or re-sale deals.

We thank you very much for participating during the formative years of Pajamas Media and we look forward to working with you in other ways. One of those is, of course, Pajamas TV. If you have any ideas in that regard, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Our best wishes in the new year and again our deepest gratitude for your participation in Pajamas Media.

Sincerely,

Roger L. Simon

CEO, Pajamas Media

What this means is that as of April 1, I am officially out of work. So save going to a pay model, this site will likely have to shut down.

Small price to pay for helping PJM pick up an audience and credibility during its “formative years.”

Posted by Jeff G. @ 2:37pm
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Comments (377)

  1. I think the only thing lacking on this is the explanation. Why? If something is successful, then it should continue. And if it is an epic fail, then it is at least heartwarming to those being let go. But then again, if they did that, we wouldn’t have such an eye-catching headline as yours.

  2. “And if it is an epic fail, then it is at least heartwarming to those being let go.” should be “And if it is an epic fail, then it is at least heartwarming to those being let go to let them know that it is so.

  3. Nandefuck?

  4. So the whole idea of text-based communication is getting the heave-ho?

    What about those of us who don’t particularly care for TV discussion (impatient me likes to read ahead if I’m bored/the discussion is not grabbing me)?

    Bah, I say, bah.

  5. “If you have any ideas in that regard, please do not hesitate to contact us.”

    How about: Go F$#%^ yourself”

  6. What about BlogAds?

    Looks like some of the people signed up for that are making serious money.

  7. How about, “I did, on several occasions, and you never got back to me, Roger.”

    What a way to end. But hell, I can think of plenty of lefty sites — and more than a few sites on the right — that’ll be happy to see me go.

  8. I am sorry for being a dick the other day. I did not realize what you were going through. Don’t you get sufficient traffic to make money via blogads, or is it a money losing operation no matter what? I doubt Pajamamedia routed that much traffic to you anyway.

    I hope you do not shut down.

  9. So the whole idea of text-based communication

    These guys are trying to recreate the classic broadcast/MSM model. Free speech for those who own the presses or the bullhorns.

    “New Media”. Bah.

    It isn’t going to work.

  10. I used to be in blogads. Gave it up for PJM. Doubt they’ll take me back.

  11. I’d protest by never going to PJ again, but I never go there anyway. So that’s out. If PW closes down, I guess I’ll have a lot more free time on my hands. Damn.

  12. I have never sat through one of those InstaTV Dr. Helen PJM blogspots. But I do occasionally watch Drew Carey’s stuff at Reason. My guess is Pajamasmedia is going down. You are just the first waive.

  13. Well, it looks like they’re still soliciting clients.

    Perez Hilton is has 4 $4k/week ads running over there.

  14. So now that they’ve essentially stolen enough of everyone else’s traffic to make some money at it, they’re kicking the peasants to the curb…

    …and nobody saw that comin’, I suppose…

  15. “Is has”? Okay.

  16. kicking the peasants to the curb…

    …and nobody saw that comin’, I suppose

    Well, Dennis did. But that was a while ago.

  17. Those guys certainly know more about web advertising than I do, but it seems like a strange business decision to me. My first thought on reading this was, “I can’t imagine having less interest in anything than I have in watching ‘Ask Dr. Helen’ or ‘Hugh News’ on my computer”. Not to pick on those two, per se, but it’s true. So I checked the web stats on Alexa, and appeared to me that Protein Wisdom alone had more views over the past 6 months than pjtv.com, the portal for all of their shows (probably a reasonable facsimile for views of all their shows combined). Yet they’re going to dump PW (and presumably others) in order to focus on PJTV? When you factor in that probably a solid half of the readers of these sites are stealth-reading them from work, and that it’s rather harder to stealth-watch a 20 minute video clip, I have a hard time seeing how this is going to work out for them.

  18. Maybe I’ll start a free version PJTV. I’m sure I can play all those characters.

  19. Bah. Screw ‘em.

    PM sucks anyway.

  20. For what it’s worth, Jeff, maybe you should go back to BlogAds with hat in hand anyway. You don’t know they won’t take you back until you ask. If they have even a modicum of professionalism and business acumen, they’ll realize business is business and accept you back. Probably happily so.

    It would be a damn shame were you to hang up your spurs and site.

  21. I don’t recall ever watching any of their shows all the way through. Too “Meet The Press”-y for my taste.

    Yo, PJM guys: you do know that format was invented in 1947, right?

  22. Nooooooooo!

  23. Maybe I’ll start a free version PJTV. I’m sure I can play all those characters.

    I don’t think you could be that boring if you tried, Jeff.

  24. I need to buy a fedora. First things first.

  25. Can’t you get a piece of the PJTV action? Like you said, you can play all those characters. And the one thing they lack is genuine humor. Unless you think the McLaughlin Group is a laugh riot. Simon is creepy.

    Or what about Breitbart / Hollywood? I mean, a guy who brings his own placental mammal, and has a set of sockpuppet/stalker/trolls that compare with anybody on the intarwebz – gotta be worth $100K a year, easy.

  26. Arrgh. Blows. If you go pay-per-view, how much? What about that weird thing with Lileks? And has anyone ever watched one of those Poliwood things?

    Seriously, anyone?

  27. No fedora. Either a Stetson or a Derby. Dare to be different.

  28. One thought consoles him as he wanders, lost and alone in the howling wilderness: Karma is a stone-cold bitch. They’ll get theirs, the bastards.

  29. I still like my deerstalker hat idea.

    And yes, I realize that I’m alone in that.

  30. Maybe a fedora and a shaved head?

  31. Go for a Woodehouse-esque Bowler.

  32. Wasn’t one of the ideas behind Pajamas Media was to harness the power of many people, each sitting at their computer, each contributing their own unique knowledge and viewpoint, and forming out of that a news/analysis tool that could whoop the lagacy media’s ass?

    (I’m specifically thinking about how the Dan Rather/TANG documents were proven forgeries as the leading example of how “distributed computing” could be applied to the news.)

    So, after working to pull the little guys together, they are going to a format that precludes the little guys from contributing? Huh?

    Wow, Dennis the Peasant WAS right.

  33. I’ll pay. Will you use a sliding scale? hehehehe…Just kidding. However, I need to know that Jeff Goldstein will be doing the majority of posting. You teach me, man. And I appreciate that beyond words.

    I’ll second the “your own PJTV” gig, too. Instead of a Fedora, maybe a kangol?

  34. What about the conference for Conservatism 2.0? Anyone click through that? It’s got JOE THE PLUMBER! WOOOT!

    Jesus fuck.

    Maybe you can get some TARP money?

  35. Percy: Meet the new boss, and all that.

  36. I got that exact same form letter from “You Porn.”

    Helped those assholes build up for years, and that e-letter was the thanks I got.

    Not even a goddamn t-shirt.

  37. Who? Huh? What?

    I’m going back to sleep.

    -ls

  38. The problem for pjtv is that all their people have faces made for radio.

  39. Displaying my utter lack of knowledge on the business end of blogging, but what about the mu.nu domains? You know, Ace’s and Jawa and ConYank.

    What’s their alignment?

  40. FWIW, I have watched more of your videos, Jeff, than any of the PJM videos that you weren’t in. Most of the Jeff G. videos I watched weren’t PJM anyway.

    I’m not really a sit-at-the-computer-watching-news/talk-videos guy, and you’ve never really been a make-news/talk-videos kind of guy — yours are too entertaining.

  41. Second the motion that you should at least inquire at BlogAds. After all, what can they do? — send you an email saying “no”. Disappointing, but not like being tossed an anchor. You said earlier you were writing a book. Get used to rejection slips. They are much more common than acceptance letters.

    Regards,
    Ric

  42. Comment by Jeff G. on 1/30 @ 3:06 pm #

    Maybe I’ll start a free version PJTV. I’m sure I can play all those characters.

    Why not do your own ensamble improv we show, in the spirit of Pee Wee’s Playhouse. Just no masterbating in movie theaters when you have time off. That is nasty.

  43. Well, crapo. The reason I use the intertoobs is because I don’t LIKE the talking heads “we’ll tell you what we think is important and you won’t have any way to respond” Bullshit of TV. If I want TV like programs, I’ll turn on the goddam TV. I like the people doing the PJMTV when they are blogging, but I don’t want to watch them go blah blah.

  44. Another economic causality by the Obama war on the economy.

  45. “What about the conference for Conservatism 2.0? ”

    Sounds ridiculous.

    Like something that would involve Mike Huckabee.

    Which triggers my gag reflex and would probably cause me to puke.

    I don’t wanna waste the two fingers of fine scotch already in my belly.

    So…stop doing that PJM preview thing.

    Talk about Thomas Sowell or something.

  46. Displaying my utter lack of knowledge on the business end of blogging, but what about the mu.nu domains? You know, Ace’s and Jawa and ConYank.

    What’s their alignment?

    I’m betting “chaotic neutral”.

  47. BTW, hehindeed.com is still available for purchase.

  48. OT, but….from Hpt Air:

    “Update: No word yet on the final tally but the man of Steele is the new leader of the party. He’s speaking now; we’ll have video soon. Let the racist “progressive” photoshops begin!”

  49. “Why not do your own ensemble improv we show, in the spirit of Pee Wee’s Playhouse.”

    Mekka-lekka hi mekka hiney ho!

    Long live Jambi,… er, Jeff.

    “Armadillo” can be the word of the day.

  50. Yo, PJM guys: you do know that format was invented in 1947, right?

    Whenever a new medium (or a technology in general) comes along, the first instinct (which is FULL OF FAIL) is to assume that it’s exactly the same as an old medium, only slightly faster/cheaper/more convenient.

    We have film now? Cool! Let’s go down to the theater and film a live play!

    We have computer documents now? Cool! Let’s make them look and behave just like paper!

    We can deliver courses on the Internet now? Cool! Let’s record Professor Boring standing on the stage in a lecture hall! Maybe with an extra camera so we can show the reaction shots of sleeping students with drool pooling in their laps!

    We have plastic now? Cool! Let’s make it look like a shitty copy of wood!

    We have cheap, portable video cameras and a low-cost world-wide network to deliver the product? Cool! Let’s recreate Meet the Press, only make it even duller!

    This ALWAYS happens, and it is always FULL OF FAIL.

    Eventually a D.W. Griffith comes along and schools everyone on how to take a real swing with that new axe.

  51. Is the PJTV thing working? For me, it’s too hard to sign up and all that crap. On the internets I want instant.

    Jeff, hang in.

  52. Then your choices are clear: you either shutdown the site, or you find another sponsor.
    I hope you find another sponsor.

  53. Maybe you could get one of those Travel Channel gigs where you travel the earth and eat weird shit. Or better yet, you travel the earth with some obscure, washed-up celebrity and sample the native tribes’ psychotropic drugs.

  54. Well now THIS truly sucks.

  55. Check out Ace’s most recent post (which links back to this one).

    A couple of quotes, “…it’s back to blogads, I guess.” “Any entrepreneurs out there who want to try something similar?”

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but a site which actually featured PW and AoS would pretty much dominate my browser.

  56. How moronic are these people? Could they replicate the TimesSelect fiasco more completely? Moving content behind a pay wall and cutting ties to the audience what the actual talent that built their brand has cultivated is retarded. I won’t pay for real monies to see old farts belly up to a goddamn bar.

    And what the hell is an XPressBlog? oh. That’s the tier where Hurricane Boi and the guy what looks like Andy Richter publish. That’s not exactly must-see is it? No. It’s not. My favorite is that Mr. Goldstein’s blog. If they had him signed up for sure I’d pay.

  57. We have cheap, portable video cameras and a low-cost world-wide network to deliver the product? Cool! Let’s recreate Meet the Press, only make it even duller!

    Oh, forgot to add this: And let’s charge people money to watch it!

    Yeah…. “This time next year, Rodders, we’ll be millionaires!” – Mr. S. Duck.

    Showy, I get the feeling there’s a lot of overlap in readership between AoSHQ and this place.

  58. Jeff,

    I’m pretty sure BlogAds will have you back. If not, I’m sure others (including myself) have invites on their BlogAds accounts that could get you in.

  59. #48 Rob Crawford:

    I’m betting “chaotic neutral”.

    Not bad, not bad at all.

  60. So they have an ongoing revenue stream that by all accounts is quite profitable, and they decide to shut it down to concentrate on re-creating TV on the Internet?

    To quote Scooby Doo, “Rurh?”

    Weren’t these the same people that were blasting the New York Times for walling off the important stuff behind the subscription-only model of Times Select, and now they turn around and do the same thing?

    Best of luck, Jeff, I hope you find something soon.

  61. …”but the man of Steele is the new leader of the [Republican] party.”

    Ahhh…and we close the circle.

    “Conservatism 2.0,” goes all rubbery on “Clarence Thomas 2.0.”

    Look folks. Steele is not a real “authentic” black man.

    Jesus. He’s a conservative!

    I don’t need to buy a vowel, Pat. I’d like to go ahead and solve the Liberal/Steele puzzle.

    “U-N-C-L-E-T-O-M”

    [APPLAUSE]

    Thank you, thank you.

    I’ll take the cheap mahogany stained ply-wood wet bar for $1500, and the ugly porcelain duck for $3000.

  62. Aaron,

    Not wanting to go too far OT, but our blog has been trying for MONTHS to get into PJM and now we know why we didn’t, so if it’s at all possible, could you shoot me an email regrading getting into blogads? (kevin-at-exurbanleaguedotcom)

    Thank you

  63. The New Ledger and Breitbart seem to be interesting places. One of PJTV’s guys, Bill Whittle, jumped to Breitbart. Iowahawk is there. Check it out!

  64. Jeff, I think you can do a little redesign on your site and pull in some sort of revenue via AdSense. Feel free to email me tim.mcnabb (a) gmail.com.

    Also this from Poynter: How to Make Your Blog a Paying Business

    Finally – You may be able to turn your writing skills into an affiliate marketing sideline. Not as fun as making the sweet-sweet plunder of gonzo journalism, but it cold start paying some bills. Here is my review of the program I am following – Afilliate Marketing

    You know what they say, some things you do to live, some things you do ‘cuz you love it. I hate they – sentimental bastards.

  65. Better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven, lamont.

  66. Comment by SGT Ted on 1/30 @ 3:33 pm #

    Well, crapo. The reason I use the intertoobs is because I don’t LIKE the talking heads “we’ll tell you what we think is important and you won’t have any way to respond” Bullshit of TV. If I want TV like programs, I’ll turn on the goddam TV. I like the people doing the PJMTV when they are blogging, but I don’t want to watch them go blah blah.

    My wife likes TMZ. I have watched it a couple of times and laughed.

  67. I’ve seen maybe five minutes of Pajamas TV, total, four of it Glenn and Helen interviewing Huckabee. Embarassingly bad. Talk about faces, and voices, made for blogging.

  68. As SBP said earlier, and I mentioned in an earlier thread, PJM wants to become another AP, like Kos wants to be a political boss. They have structured themselves with those goals in mind.

    I am not a business-oriented person; I am a lawyer and I work in utility law. My limited advice is to get the issue down first, (Garner-style thinking). Once you have the issue fully described then you can start addressing it. The starting questions for constructing this issue are: “What do you want this site to do? What is this site actually doing? What audience do you want to attract? What audience are you attracting? Is this site to be a hobby? Is it to be an actual business?”

    These are not the full range of questions, and I don’t know the answers. I’ve never pretended to be the final authority on much of anything. But I think they can help you develop your issue and then determine your answer.

    Best regards to you and your family. And I mean that.

  69. Yeah, IF Jeff decides to hook up with someone else, he can’t go wrong (IMHO) with BigHollywood. He, Iowahawk, Gutfeld, and Bill Whittle would be amazing together. Oh, Zo does his stuff there, too.

  70. Breitbart isn’t returning my calls. But I’m ready to go gonzo, if somebody’s willing to back me.

    Stick a mic in my hand and get me access. THEN STAND BACK, BITCHES!

  71. Pajamas Media Ads service died and all blogs that were carrying it are losing it, this isn’t some slam at Protein Wisdom.

  72. The heck with PJM and PJTV; I never go there unless linked…

    Others have said it but try blogads again, or other adservers…

    Or get a Fedora and start doin’ your own TV stuff…

    You’re a smart guy with a saavy “crew”, I’m sure that together we can figure something out…

    I get the feeling something good comin’ aound the bend for you…

    And that’s not just an empty platitude

  73. Jeff, Jerry Pournelle keeps his website up and then some via subscriptions. I’d be happy to subscribe to your site the same way. Give us a ballpark figure on what the yearly subscription would be.

  74. Not a slam at PW you’re right but it’s still a nice opportunity to slam Pajamas I think. I wasn’t doing anything else this afternoon. Except I kind of should be.

  75. Comment by SGT Ted on 1/30 @ 3:33 pm #

    Well, crapo. The reason I use the intertoobs is because I don’t LIKE the talking heads

    Word – I like watching a dude get hit in the nuts as much as the next guy, but I like my opinion literate and thorough. As much as I like Wittle as an essayist, he blows as a talking head. None f his charm comes through.

  76. Slamming the other guy feels good, haps, but it doesn’t really answer any questions. Running down/slamming business partners or former business partners in public doesn’t help get new partners or sponsors. The potential partners and sponsors will not know all of the back story, they will suspect there is more than your tale alone, and they will be reluctant to take on someone who they think may – may – target them if things turn rocky.

    I’m just speaking hypothetically here as I do not know the full tale from all of the actors in this kerfluffle. Burning bridges should be done after you have crossed them.

  77. BTW – would having a face made for essays be worse than having a face made for radio?

  78. “Could they replicate the TimesSelect fiasco more completely?”

    Holy crap. That is EXACTLY what I was thinking (but you said it better hf). The pure revenue mind-set behind this move is utterly stupefying.

    The decision reeks of financial jackasses who see these mysterious conservative blog-thingamajigs as “Google links + Unique Hits = Add revenue.”

    Plus the silly interweb wigit in question is…classical liberal!…OMG! That pretty much skews CONSERVATIVE!!

    Sweet naked Allah on rye! Don’t they know the Obama is in charge?

    These conservative insurgents offend the “Flea Market Christ” in Washington, and could be outlawed by him at any minute.

    It’s just a sorry investment all around.

    Kinda like anything rated by S&P right now.

  79. Protein Wisdom is too big to fail.

    Seriously, have you seen the guns on Jeff? I mean, damn, that dude’s been kettleballing and P90Xing his ass off.

    So, how’bout it, Obama, cut Jeff a bailout check.

    but, fwiw, I’d pay for PW on a subscription basis – sort of like the way that Victorians paid for their adventurers and/or pornography – or take an ad out for my bidness.

    .

  80. Listen: I tried pitching a number of things to PJM. I tried to cover events for them. They always said, “great, we’ll get back to you!” and then they never did, even as they were hiring on others to do “TV” shows similar in spirit to the kind of thing I could have done.

    They rejected me.

    I never said their shutting us out was a slam at me specifically — though evidently, Roger told Dan he wasn’t happy with this site — but the time for burning bridges is now.

    Because, you know: OUTLAW!

  81. When life gives you lemons, time to find some salt and tequila, what I always say.

  82. Does it make you feel better that Ace is getting a bum rush too? Cause apparently they didn’t pick up his show on Hobo Hunting and Val-U-Rite Appreciation 101.

  83. Way ahead of you B Moe.

    It’s Friday. And for once, I’m glad our little shelled rapscallion stole my Amex and ordered up some escorts. It would suck to spend the afternoon licking salt off of his navel.

    Plus, leprosy.

  84. Not that, you konw, you should feel better or anything, just that it’s a group clusterfark as opposed to some random LOL INTERNET vendetta?

  85. so, um, do we scream if he only hints at the word of the day? maybe just yelp?

  86. I dropped a note in Ace’s comments letting him know we should join forces. He ignored it.

    For a guy who looks like George Lucas after a bout of osteoporosis, he sure is a snob.

  87. Just so you know, next time you’re in Southeast Michigan, the drinks are on me.

  88. Slamming the other guy feels good, haps, but it doesn’t really answer any questions.

    I’m not actually slamming anyone in particular — just pointing out that trying to create a new medium using formats best suited to older ones has historically been FULL OF FAIL.

    The fact that they’ve apparently blown through $7 million in venture capital should be an object lesson that other “new media” models that are really just old media in new clothes are also likely to be FULL OF FAIL.

    I don’t have the answer. If I did, let’s just say I’d have a somewhat more luxurious lifestyle — maybe even one with wagyu steaks. I do know that the answer is going to be something completely different.

    My God, what kind of ratings does “Meet the Press” have in the first place? Don’t they just keep that on the air to satisfy some FCC “public interest” requirement?

  89. Well, his site (and others) has been crashing all day. He may be a bit preoccupied.

  90. The new media is looking a bit too much like the old media for my taste. I never visited PJM. I followed links there a couple of times, but never on my own.

    Roger wasn’t happy with this site? Fuck him. I’m not happy with their site.

  91. Or he’s a wookie-banging blog snob.

  92. Jeff,

    ace doesn’t read his own blog, let alone his own comments.

    Seriously.

    So I wouldn’t take offense quite yet.

    btw – ace looks more like a ewok with eczema.

  93. “What do you want this site to do? What is this site actually doing?”

    Isn’t intellectually kicking ass and taking names a Harvard business plan?

    Ya know, Business purpose: “Heaping well researched, fully thought out shame on my opposition.”

    “What audience are you attracting?”

    Sort of OT; If the specifics of your parole prevent you from associating with known felons & nare-do-wells…does that include the internet?

    I’m only asking for a friend, of course.

  94. I wasn’t taking offense. I was actually just kidding.

    Allah, on the other hand…

  95. #82 Jeff G.:

    …the time for burning bridges is now.

    This is your site, and you know the history of all of this PJM stuff – I don’t. The advice in #78 (and in other comments) was given with the best of intentions. Looking forward, and all that.

  96. I would say Ace is def not a snob. He doesn’t read comments all the time. Shoot him an email.

  97. He doesn’t respond to my emails.

    Well, unless I sign them “Princess Leia.” And I have my pride.

  98. Well, today’s my significant other and I’s anniversary, so we’re going out for the evening. I’m sure you’ll be deluged with well-intentioned/roughly hashed out advice over the next few weeks. Good luck with it all.

    You’re too good a writer to drift for long.

  99. #89 Techie: Where in S.E. Michigan are you? I am in Lansing.

    #90 SBP – I wasn’t referencing you, I was responding to happyfeet.
    Maybe I just stop commenting on this thread – I seem to be sticking my feet on every landmine available.

  100. Appreciate the kind words, Techie.

    I’ll land on my feet.

    And if not, I’ll land on somebody else’s and demand they carry me.

  101. Try a subject header of “Lightening Bolt!”

  102. Mikey, good point I think. Just that this sort of medium what they purport to embrace is sort of inherently messy and public and interactive and fractious. PJM acts like they think they’re removed from all that, like they’re respectable or something. You know, like MSNBC.

    oh. If you were to partner with Ace I would be like Ace! Love teh Ace! Long time reader first time caller! But I don’t want to jump the gun.

  103. Sorry – didn’t see #96 when I was writing #97.

    I’ll shut-up now.

  104. Dude, forget it. You just got your life sentence paroled. Do some fucking cartwheels. PJM has all the edge of a marble. I do not know who the fuck is their target audience, but do you want to appeal to those fuckers? Get angry, get even, whatever, but be glad you ain’t them. I don’t know a fucking thing about blogs or new media or the so-called MSM, but I do know what they envision isn’t gonna fly.
    Congratulations.

  105. I never said their shutting us out was a slam at me specifically — though evidently, Roger told Dan he wasn’t happy with this site

    Did Roger(sackless fuck)bother to tell Dan why he wasn’t happy about PW? He sounds kind of spineless for not talking to you directly. He’d probably piss his pants if you raised your voice.

  106. Let me get this straight. PJWhatever has oodles of room for Joe Wurzelbacher who, while a nice enough guy, doesn’t have a tenth of my writing or speaking chops but they have no room at all for Jeff, who makes me sound like a drooling moron in comparison.

    What. The. Hell.

    Jeff, I’m on your side man, for whatever it’s worth. Don’t know how I can help, but if I can, I will.

  107. I never got the full story. Haven’t talked to Dan about it. Something about this site needing to “grow up” or some such.

    Which is, like, totally DUH.

  108. #101

    Ann Arbor.

  109. If I shave my head, I can probably knock off JTP and secretly replace him. Anybody have a wrench and a toilet snake I can borrow? For props?

  110. Some of us appreciate the finer things in life, such as dancing armadillos and little colored objects found under couch cushions.

  111. How about a Rigid™ calendar?

  112. You know, not to make this all about me, but I think I’ve had enough shit thrown at me for now. We need to figure this out.

  113. I break my pledge:

    Techie – my email is michaeljorris@aol.com.

    Drop me a line and we can get together. I haven’t hit the used bookstores in A2 in a while.

  114. If Roger, as Grand PuBah of “conservative internet thought”, doesn’t want this site because it won’t go along to get along, then fuck him square in the ass.

    Seriously. Square peg, round hole. Fuck him.

    I love that this place is a Galleywinter.

    Stay an Outlaw Jeff.

  115. You kind of knew they were in trouble cause all the ads were PJM promos. Except for that sketchy LensCrafters guy what needs to shave. He’s been leering at me for at least couple weeks now. Not sure what his story is.

  116. If Roger, as Grand PuBah of “conservative internet thought”

    I thought that was David “Frumpy” Frum’s gig.

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  118. Comment by Jeff G. on 1/30 @ 4:57 pm #

    I never got the full story. Haven’t talked to Dan about it. Something about this site needing to “grow up” or some such.

    Which is, like, totally DUH.

    Grow up? Grow up? WTF does that mean? Basically, every other PJM blog covers the same stories! There’s not a pubic hairs difference between them, and that’s why I came here in the first place.

    Eighteen months ago, I was reading Michelle Malkin’s blog, and clicked on the PW link from her site. I’ve been reading PW nearly every day since then, and I’ll stay until the end. I’d be willing to pay a monthly/yearly subscription fee.

  119. “I dropped a note in Ace’s comments letting him know we should join forces. He ignored it.”

    Maybe Ace is planning on teaming up with James Taranto or some such.

  120. “Princess Leia” of the cinnamon bun hair.

    MMmmmmmm. Cinnamon buns.

    The pictures in these comments add up to a new surreal animated cartoon at the very least: Jeff as Princess Leia with cinnamon buns, waving his hammer and sickle, wearing a fedora, landing on someone else’s feet, and drinking tequilla from the navel of our friend-in-a-shell. What a treasure trove of images. Look at what PJM has lost.

    All the best, Jeff.

    T&T

  121. Is this the same thinking that got us the name change from Pajamas Media to Open Source Media then back again?

  122. OUTLAW!

  123. …”Something about this site needing to “grow up” or some such.”

    Ahhh, shit.

    I think Roger may be my girlfriend’s father.

    I get that same “grow up” crap from him every time we all have dinner.

  124. Open Source Media was kinda catchy. Sort of like /dev/tty1.

  125. I’m thinking of doing a show called “The Helen and Glenn and Jeff Show — Only without Helen and Glenn!”

    I’m crafty that way.

  126. And I’ve already seen it as many times as I’ve watched The Helen and Glenn Show.

  127. “I thought that was David “Frumpy” Frum’s gig.”

    He’s one of those Canadians, so it doesn’t count.

    America only recognizes two types of Canadians:

    1.) Military (fighting and kicking ass in Afghanistan)
    2.) Mark Steyn

  128. …every other PJM blog covers the same stories! There’s not a pubic hair between them…

    FTFY

  129. I like Reynolds fine. He gets it. Johnson I can take or leave alone.

    I never read that Simon guy.

    This Simon guy is a lot better, if you’re looking for something in the Simon region of the spectrum.

  130. Maybe I’m not understanding something here. I always thought blogs were more of a hobby for the blogger than anything, and this ad stuff was just a way of getting in a little money to cover the costs of server time, bandwidth, etc. Seems like I missed an email or something.

    Jeff, were/are the PJM ads actually bringing enough money into the Goldstein household to constitute an actual salary for you? That, of course, would put a bit of a different spin on things.

    So let’s get down to fundamentals here. How much does it actually cost to keep this site on the air, as it were? What options do we have? The idea of no PW just does not hunt.

    For me, Protein Wisdon (with AoS and Iowahawk as strong seconds) is my primary blog. I don’t want to see it (and you, even if you are too busy wrestling or whatever to write much lately, grumblegrumblebitchgripe) go away. I dodged the layoff bullet today (we are safe, at least for now, the boss says), so I’ve got a little money to put down. I doubt we could pay you a salary, but we could at least keep the damn site up.

    Discuss, dammit…

  131. Maybe somebody overdere needs a tuneup. No.no. Doan tell me nuttin. Jus leave da name an adress an maybe a picture on da winshield a da red Jeep Wrangler in da 15hunert block a Front Street. Just a friendly visit an give em da good news. Over by dere.

  132. Personally, Jeff, I think you should pull off a silent coup of Balloon Juice. It’d be interesting to see the reactions of John’s “readers” to the changes in commentary and tone. Plus: Pie!

  133. I think it’s a mistake for bloggers to imitate the MSM. I don’t really care to watch bloggers to the multi-media thing, and I almost always skip all that stuff. It’s a novalty and at time entertaining. You know who is interesting? That Zo guy. would I read him? prolly not, but I’ll watch any vid he cares to do.

    Now, take the reverse with bloggers. I want to see what they can WRITE.

    Imagine this: Ace, Zo and PW. I’d never get anything done.

  134. “Open Source Media was kinda catchy.”

    Thank you. All in an afternoon’s work – which is what checking the actual availability of the name should have taken. I would submit that PJM’s move indicates that the VC cash has done been burned and that a quiet death is in the offing. Dennis had that pegged as well.

  135. I can think of nothing less interesting than watching some tv interview thing on the computer. I read blogs for the interaction and rapist wit; listening to their dorky voices would be like, well, listening to my dorky voice.

    How does turning into the old media define new media?

    As an aside, Dan pls send me a quick email; your old email addy that you’ve used for commenting at the Swilling doesn’t seem to work.

  136. I mean, a guy who brings his own placental mammal,

    Dewd. Marsupial.

    Whenever a new medium (or a technology in general) comes along, the first instinct (which is FULL OF FAIL) is to assume that it’s exactly the same as an old medium, only slightly faster/cheaper/more convenient.

    The dot-com bubble, right there.

    I don’t watch PJTV either: too linear. I like to skip ahead, too. I don’t like using the intartubes as a slow TV.

    Breitbart doesn’t return your calls? Sheez — I thought he’d be down with Dave Burge’s running mate. Maybe others of us can fill Breitbart’s mailbox on your behalf. Not in an obnoxious way, just, “hey, you know who’d be good? That Goldstein duud.”

    As for subscription only? I don’t like it. It might pay for server fees, but then Jeff’s audience would shrink WAY down, and without lefty blogs taking gratuitous shots at him, Jeff loses half his material. Blog wars don’t get any better than the ones between Jeff and some snooty academic.

    And I’ve been having too much fun in the Pub. So. Losing PW means losing me. Imagine the tragedy. [/deadpan]

  137. next time you’re in Southeast Michigan, the drinks are on me.

    I’ll cover Southwest Michigan and throw in dinner too.

  138. What this means is that as of April 1, I am officially out of work.

    April Fools Day. Classy, PJM, classy. My hubby got laid off on April Fools Day (a long time ago) from another classy organization.

    I wish I could offer some advice, but I don’t understand how the blogosphere works. But I will say that I’m pretty sure this is the evil Boooosh’s fault. Oh, and the Jooooos.

    Hang in there.

  139. Um, Mr. Bingley, I think you mean “rapier wit.” Rapier. That quite a, um, difference there.

    And, just to be clear, Lamonty, it’s “ne’er-do-well.” Ne’er, as in never.

    /pedant

  140. First, I hope that this is the birth of OUTLAW MEDIAWORX.

    Second, my email address is vermontaigne-at-gmail-dot-com.

    Third, if this doesn’t work out, I’m the SuXxOrIoUs, so I’ll do whatever it takes to help make it work.

  141. McLuhan sure was wrong about what “hot” media were. Nothing’s more media-linear than TV, unless it’s film. What kind of interaction is there in those virtual newsrooms? Bah. Ego trip.

    Loss of PW and its commentariat would be a national tragedy.
    I, for one, will be writing a Letter to the Editor, and dropping a postcard to my Congressman…

    Is there a model somewhere (great line in Battle of the Bulge: “Once again we prove, we are the world’s greatest toymakers”) for text-based blogs with an IQ to conglomerate? That’s the way to go, right there.

  142. “I was fascinated by a lot of what Leon said and we have made the interview available free”

    See Jeff you have to give your stuff away for free to make it work.
    link

  143. #140 geoffb:

    My email address is up above (somewhere). I’m in Lansing; drop me a line and we could meet up

  144. Yeah, I’ve broken my own word.

    But I’m a lawyer.

  145. Where are the usual unusual commenters?

    Interesting.

    Perhaps Mr. Bigglesworth needed to go to the spa?

  146. Look, it seems to me that Ace and Jeff and Iowahawk and others might be too wild and foul-mouthed for NRO and other respectable sites, but there’s always a place at the table for South Park Conservatives.

    Yeah, like Dan says, OUTLAW MEDIAWURX or summat.

    When the Lord closes a door, you can always defenestrate.

  147. Just so long as it’s not FEDORATED MEDIAWORX.

  148. Screw PM! They are headed the wrong way anyway. Besides, They are nowhere near OUTLAW! enough. Fuck em’ Jeff. pw has been my homepage for a few years now and I would gladly subscribe if that’s what it comes to.

  149. I would pay a subscription fee also, but I really don’t think that would be a good idea, I think you should use the blog to promote a pay to download serialized novel.

    It’s the wave of the future.

  150. Tits never go out. Stake your future on tits.

  151. Same here on the subscription thing.

  152. Maybe change the name to Doc Ferret.

  153. We could start a band.

  154. That sucks. Roger Simon is pretty much a back stabbing douche so this was probably inevitable.

  155. Hey, el Rushbo is off all next week. I say we bundle up Paul W. Smith and take him to a titty bar while Jeff guest-hosts. It’s a plan too big to fail. What could go wrong?

  156. tits never go out. Stake your future on tits.

    Well, there’s only about 8 pairs of tits that hang out on this blog … who’s gonna bare ‘em to save PW? I bet we could get docweasel to link us …

  157. I’ve met Paul W … and an old friend is a friend of his wife. You need me to find out some info? He lives in Grosse Pointe. I can pass for a “Pointer.”

  158. Who is this docweasel character and why do we care?

  159. OH, lookie. He already did. Lucky Jeff.

  160. What is it about putting a three peice suit on a burro that is so entrancing?

    I’ll ask Chris Dodd and Barney Frank and get back to you…

  161. Who is this docweasel character and why do we care?

    Nobody and we don’t.

  162. Well, there’s only about 8 pairs of tits that hang out on this blog …

    Is that counting the Amazons?

  163. Oh, goodie. Is Kenny back to his anklebiting? Now that I know he lives with his Mom and weighs 140 lbs soaking wet, I don’t even want to kick his ass anymore. I just feel kinda sorry for him, sitting around whacking off all day and trying to hide the lotion and dirty socks from mommy.

  164. First, I hope that this is the birth of OUTLAW MEDIAWORX

    I’m in! Can I design a logo? Something with guns and boobs …

  165. I don’t know the numbers, but I’m sure there’s enough of us to sponsor something. There has to be enough numbers, where everything spreads out.

    There’s no way I’d ever pay to watch a blog on video. PJTV is anathema to what this (online) medium represents. Hell, I’ve only been out of dial-up for a little over two years; there are still those who rely on dial-up, thereby killing the video bandwidth monster.

    A coalition with Ace, a couple others, and you’ve a powerhouse.

    Contact Iowahawk. I’ll bet Breitbart just needs a letter of introduction.

  166. I dropped a note in Ace’s comments letting him know we should join forces. He ignored it.

    He might not have read it, too. He has a lot of soft core lesbian porn to watch.

  167. I don’t know that I like Outlaw Mediaworx, doesn’t really sound edgy enough, I was thinking something more outlaw, like

    A FISTFULL OF COCK!

  168. Guns and Boobs…

    two three four many of my favorite things!

    Great suggestion Dareen

  169. sorry

    Dareen = Darleen

    I guess I was a bit excited

  170. Joe,
    I’m just a bit curious why you would link to PJM on a thread where we were bitching and moaning about them…

    Doesn’t something seem wrong about that?

    Mebbe it’s just me…

  171. Bob: Come on, linking to PJM is not exactly like linking to Andrew Sullivan and encouraging his Trig Trutherism. PJM is not evil or contemptable, just boring. PJMs TV will go the way of New Coke–but link, sample, and make up your own mind. I like video content links, but the PJM product is no where near as good as Drew Carey’s Reason stuff or for that matter vintage WFB on Firing Line.

  172. I like Reynolds, but on video streaming he makes Charlie Rose look like Ted Nuggent.

  173. Easy Joe…Easy,

    I wasn’t criticizing you. I simply was noting the irony of linking to PJM on a thread where everyone else was complaining about it, and the shabby way they have treated our host Jeff G…

    I don’t think I’ll go there out of principle; I never went unless linked by PW, Ace, or Allah and Ed anyway…

    You realize you reward them by indexing their sitemeter when you go there, don’t you?

    No offense meant

  174. This is the same thing they did with their original “partners.” They got dumped when a better deal came up. What do expect of a group with David Corn on their editorial staff.

  175. “and the shabby way they have treated our host Jeff G…”

    That may be true, but I suspect it is more blundering than intentional. If PJM TV was better, well then sorry Jeff, the 2nd Avenue Deli awaits (see the link above). But if PJM media dumps sites like PW, Ace and others for a medium that bombs…well who is the idiot then?

  176. “Easy Joe…Easy,”

    Did I come off at too intense? I need to cut back on the coffee during the day.

  177. I never understood having writers/bloggers do video or podcasts for that matter which are akin to radio. Different media requiring different skills. Some people can do two or more but they are the exceptions. Jeff G. may be one of those exceptions.

    Someone from Hollywood should know how rare it is, and appreciate the few who show promise.

  178. I think the logo for the new PW-inspired thingie should incorporate an armadillo with an eyepatch.

    Or is that too conventional?

  179. with tits and a gun? No. Not too conventional.

  180. PJM bores the shit out of me. Despite my high hopes for them 3 years ago, I don’t seem to have them bookmarked and I don’t get over there unless someone more scintillating links there.

    I don’t know who’s paying a subscription fee for that crap, but it ain’t gonna be me.

    Jeff, if you don’t mind my asking, what kind of money are we talking about here?

  181. Why not have the armadillo admiring another figure; one with both tits and a gun…

    Well endowed in both categories, preferably…

    I know, I know, I denounce myself…

  182. Pablo —

    Not much, but enough that it made a difference to household income. Maybe like 8K a year. Sites like IP were making well over 6 figures, is my guess.

  183. What were you making on Blogads?

  184. …I think about the money Moulitsas was making on them, and I throw up a little in my mouth.

  185. 8K? That ain’t chicken feed. No wonder you’re pissed.

  186. I can’t help but think that there’s a market segment being abandoned here, which sounds like free money being left on the table.

  187. I also can’t help wondering “WTF is this?”

  188. On Blogads I was making like 3500.

  189. There is a big different, which justifies more ad revenue, and I like what Instapundit offers:

    Instapundit VISITS

    Total 356,880,469
    Average Per Day 355,380
    Average Visit Length 0:02
    Last Hour 15,487
    Today 348,188
    This Week 2,487,663

    Instapundit PAGE VIEWS

    Total 391,406,733
    Average Per Day 366,621
    Average Per Visit 1.0
    Last Hour 15,859
    Today 360,076
    This Week 2,566,344

    Protein Wisdom VISITS

    Total 11,539,403
    Average Per Day 6,593
    Average Visit Length 2:43
    Last Hour 447
    Today 7,157
    This Week 46,153

    Protein Wisdom PAGE VIEWS

    Total 21,510,012
    Average Per Day 14,258
    Average Per Visit 2.2
    Last Hour 892
    Today 15,443
    This Week 99,803

    But that traffic does not translate into Glenn being the next Web TV phenomenon. Nor does it mean PW is not as good as IP, they are very different sites.

  190. I always skip the PJM videos. Who needs it. Not to mention that most video content is blocked at my corporate office. I much prefer the written word…It’s not blocked and it’s OUTLAW.

  191. Can’t say I’ve ever watched a PJmedia production. Personally, I’d rather read stuff then watch geeks/nerds embrace their inner actor/newsman.

  192. Count me as another one who doesn’t enjoy video online. I’ll watch ‘Zo because that’s where he rocks. I watched Jeff’s bits for Hot Air a while ago and enjoyed them very much. But given the choice between text and video on the same topic, I’ll always go to the text.

    I hope you’re able to sort this all out, I’d hate to see PW disappear. I’ve seen a lot of good ideas in this thread. I sincerely hope you want it enough to pursue it. Good luck!

  193. Joe, Insty has 391M views in his history.

    VISITS TO DRUDGE 1/30/09

    025,668,598 IN PAST 24 HOURS
    676,900,040 IN PAST 31 DAYS
    7,553,310,843 IN PAST YEAR

    Just for perspective.

  194. Comment 195:

    Jeff, I handle enterprise-level web sites, and while your traffic numbers may be small by comparison to IP, your average stays are awesome. You site isn’t a good fit for what I am advertising, but I think you could whore out every few posts for an affiliate product (go to clickbank.com or cj.com) or update your wordpress theme for a more adsense-friendly version and lard it up with adsense spots.

    If you had the same click through rates I have had on AdSense, you would yield on your site 25.00 a day. You may make more given your demographic and how long they stay on the site.

  195. So Tim,
    I’m just curious. Is ad revenue delivered based on the number of unique visits, or the dwell time at the site. Or, if both, which one is more of a weighting factor when it comes to the payment…

    Often, when visiting PW, I’ll simply hit refresh on a thread I’m taking part in. Am I inadvertantly cheating Jeff of a unique visit, or is my dwell time on the site balancing that..?

  196. Also and maybe somebody has done this already but I’d be interested to see hits for when JEff is actually posting consistently. I like Dan and Darleen and everybody else but I do believe some people just come here for Jeff. If you want your numbers to go up, I guess you’d have to start posting regularly. If you can’t do that, maybe start up a Pub type website for everybody else who posts. I’d go there as I’m here for the community as much as the commentary.

  197. I love clicking on AdSense ads. Also I like the Amazon thing where people tell me about stuff I could buy and own and it would be mine. I don’t watch tv or read print so I need help with that stuff. A lot of my favorite things started out as products.

  198. your average stays are awesome.

    I noticed that number, too. Seems like there ought to be some sort of advertising market to go along with that.

  199. Comment by serr8d on 1/30 @ 10:15 pm #

    Joe, Insty has 391M views in his history.

    VISITS TO DRUDGE 1/30/09

    025,668,598 IN PAST 24 HOURS
    676,900,040 IN PAST 31 DAYS
    7,553,310,843 IN PAST YEAR

    Just for perspective.

    Matt Drudge came to do good and did very well.

  200. Nothing personal Jeff, it is just business:

    YEAH, the PJM ad-network model isn’t working. I don’t have much to do with the PJM business side, but online ads just aren’t producing revenue like they were a few years ago, and the blog-network thing was apparently a tough sell. Hence the emphasis on PJTV. How will that work out? Stay tuned.

    Posted at 11:49 pm by Glenn Reynolds

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  202. The blog-network thing was a tough sell? That’s weird to me. Did PJM ever produce an aggregate NetRatings #? I never saw one. That’s really weird cause PJM did create a for real network, not an artificial aggregation. Duplication across the network is really high. You don’t have to study referral data to know that. I never once got surveymonkeyed on a PJM site… early on I remember Reynolds sending us somewhere to give some demo data. Let’s go look at their media kit. brb.

  203. Everyone is upset.

    There are no good guys. There are no bad guys. There just you and me and we just disagree. Woo Woo Wooooooahhhh.

    So let’s sing Kumbaya and contemplate things we do agree about! H/T: Ace

  204. Here. And they did a nifty PowerPoint in 06. If you’re thinking about doing something competitive I’d grab that now while it’s still up.

  205. Honestly… JTP? Stunt blogging. I hope you don’t shut down, Jeff. Between you and Ace, I cannot think of where else I would go to find relevant links and information that break the MSM narrative. Maybe Hot Air, but they lack the outlaw attitude. And their comments blow. PJM? What a disappointment. I agree with many here, that the video element to blogging is overrated. Mostly I haven’t time or patience to sit and watch what could be better said in text. Audio podcasts are a different story. J’aime à la folie being able to listen to good content while doing other things.

  206. I used to be in blogads. Gave it up for PJM. Doubt they’ll take me back.

    Hold on hombre, lemmie shoot an e-mail over to powers the be at BlogAds, I’m on there. If you’ve still got an account over there. It is most likely still active, mine was. I dropped them a long while back an went back Getting ads too. I just recently got a ad.

    So, hold the phone Jeff.

    -Pat

  207. 10 % own or considering buying a hybrid car … own or consider buying … that’s kind of not very compelling really since they had to combine two boxes to get there… But actually that PowerPoint isn’t very nifty really. @Plan people did that? PJM got robbed. Look at slide four… They don’t even explain the metric … That’s an index but what are they indexing against? Presumably the average person online. That’s why Yahoo! is at or right at 100 for every data point there. Duh. Crappy work, but I won’t nitpick. Why would you do the Age demo in index? (slide 7) … That’s a straight-up pie chart what you should do and then you can note the index on top of that if you really feel you need to do that, but bragging about how your audience is more 45-54ish than average is just … weird. Slide 8 is incomprehensible. No one buys age. The whole point of internet advertising is that you can get much more highly-targeted demos. The gender chart is silly. It demonstrates that if you overindex on guys you underindex on wimmins. Nielsen should be freaking embarrassed. Slide 10 any media buyer would not be a lot impressed by. That’s a sign of weak data… what you want to see is that index paired with a quantification of audience delivery. PJM may have had a higher composition of people that owned 4+ computers but you can bet that by buying any of those other sites you’d reach way way more of them. We’ve already established these are middle-aged guys with some money. You think maybe they have kids with computers in their rooms? Der. How that really helps characterize the PJM audience I can’t tell you. What this points to is that maybe you would buy PJM in addition to sites that actually would do a number for you, but then they don’t show you how much of PJM’s audience is unduplicated by the competitive set they picked. Slides 11 and 12 are ok, but why do they keep a labeled x axis on the page when they already labeled the bars? Idiots. Sloppy.

  208. There are no good guys. There are no bad guys.

    But there are Letters of Marque.

    I vote for those.

  209. Jeff G. may be one of those exceptions.

    He is. The podcasts and videos he’s done have been uniformly excellent.

    If you’re not as funny as Jeff G. or as cute as Michelle Malkin, maybe the audio/video thing isn’t your best bet.

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  212. Not for nothing, but PJTV is using an old person’s format, with boring and largely unattractive poeple, to corral an audience of much younger people who like looking at pretty faces. The kind of folks who’d watch two talking heads on splitscreen probably don’t use the internet all that much.

    PJTV might be somewhat of a pioneer, but then again, pioneers are usually found early on with their backs peppered with arrows.

    Study PJTV, recognize it’s weaknesses, learn from it, and do it better.

    There’s a huge, HUGE market for intelligent witty conservative entertainment and information. I know that I want it, but there’s nothing out there. It sure ain’t PJTV. If they were more savvy and less intellectual, they’d approach their venture much differently. Weird, jowled and wrinkly old dudes talking for 15 minutes isn’t the wave of the future. Or, at least it hasn’t been for the past 50 years or so.

  213. This was obviously a business plan that failed and the self-involved Mr. Goldstein thinks it’s about him. What a loser.

  214. Molly? I see no Molly here.

  215. Prolly not a dolly, Molly.

  216. “PJTV might be somewhat of a pioneer, but then again, pioneers are usually found early on with their backs peppered with arrows.”

    I was thinking more of the Donner Party.

  217. As a frequent reader and infrequent poster to PW, I agree that your HotAir vids were great and tend to agree with the appraisal of PJTV as rather dull.

    Mostly I’m here for the semiotics, though. I hope if I read enough really long blog entries, I’ll figure out what semiotics are.

  218. “The Unthinkable Molly T,” AKA Gerald R. Ford’s breakthrough automobile.

  219. I’ll figure out what semiotics are.

    Best to move aside and let ‘em pass, mostly.

  220. “Nothing personal Jeff, it is just business”

    But business is personal.

  221. The Unsinkable Molly Brown is a musical with music and lyrics by Meredith Willson and book by Richard Morris. The musical tells a fictionalized version of the life of Margaret Brown, who survived the sinking of the RMS Titanic, and her wealthy miner-husband.

    The musical was directed by Dore Schary with choregraphy by Peter Gennaro. It opened on Broadway starring Tammy Grimes… [as Molly Tobin].

  222. Semiotics refers to an exotic sexual practice that involves ejaculation in the ear canal. It’s also used for the various medical procedures used to remove beans or other small items from the ear (the term is sometimes abused to cover similar procedures for the removal of foreign objects from the nose, though purists frown on this. Both conditions are common misadventures for small children).

    From the Latin “semen” (seed) and “otic” (of or pertaining to the ear).

    HTH!

  223. As much as I enjoy IP, I do notice that he seems to be flogging an aweful lot of “network” referrals recently (since about the beginning of 4Q2008). They have also moved IP and Belmont Club to their site. Both of these seem very “corporate” I ageee, this doesn’t seem the wave of the future.

  224. SBP,

    You had me at “ejaculation in the ear canal.”

  225. I like the letters of marque idea. But without the letters…and without Mark…whoever he is.

    In my cranky, late-middle age – and especially before I’ve had my coffee in the morning – I’ve come to appreciate that whole outlaw thing even more than I did in my youth.

    Look into the whole micro-payment, mass customization movement. It isn’t about making things. It’s about ideas…and to borrow a phrase, ideas are bullet-proof.

    After all, if you have to have permission from the PTB to do something, if you want and need to be accepted by them and to be just like they are – what kind of outlaw are ya?

    Freedom. It’s what the PTB used to refer to as anarchy.

    “Nations grown corrupt
    Love bondage more than liberty;
    Bondage with ease than strenuous liberty.”

  226. Mr. Dennis the Peasant is doubtless laughing his ass off.

  227. Protein Wisdom alone had more views over the past 6 months than pjtv.com, the portal for all of their shows (probably a reasonable facsimile for views of all their shows combined). Yet they’re going to dump PW (and presumably others) in order to focus on PJTV?

    Sounds like they’re getting funding from elsewhere. I doubt PJTV is going to be much of a money-making enterprise in itself.

  228. I think PWTV would blow PJTV out of the water.

  229. I I think PWTV would blow PJTV out of the water.

    I’d agree, but that’s hardly a ringing endorsement, nor a good reason for doing PWTV. At least not a reason to do it exclusively or primarily.

    When I watch TV it is an hour long show on medieval sewer construction, or some such thing. It is not ‘talking heads TV.’ If Jeff put together an hour long show on semiotics (soemthing more akin to Sagan’s Cosmos)I’d watch that too. But I’d still call it TV.

    Ideally I’d want to discuss the show, and explore related concepts and issues, and that would best involve something other than TV. TV is too linear and too constrained to do it all, or even do it most.

    PJTV looks tired.

  230. #237
    Only if we could all be on it. Unfortunately I have a face for print journalism.

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  232. Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 1/31 @ 1:30 am #

    “PJTV might be somewhat of a pioneer, but then again, pioneers are usually found early on with their backs peppered with arrows.”

    I was thinking more of the Donner Party.

    Here’s your Donner Party, looking well fed yet still ready for more!

  233. There seems to be the notion abroad that PJM “betrayed”

    Hmm… I don’t see the word “betrayed” or “betray” anywhere in this thread, or in the one over on Ace’s site. Nor do I see anyone arguing that PJM shouldn’t be able to renegotiate or cancel its contracts in accordance with the law.

    I do see a lot of people pointing out that PJM is going down the wrong road, media-wise. Opinion, to be sure.

    Time will tell, I guess.

    I would suggest a remedial course in reading comprehension.

    Indeed.

  234. The Unsackable Samantha Powers.

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  237. Well if you can’t be bothered to sell your own ads (which is evident by you using PJM to do it for you for all this time) then yeah, get out of the content website game. It’s just not for you.

  238. If you can’t be bothered to do your own payroll, (which is evident by you using your payroll company to do it for you all this time) then yeah, shutter your stupid business. It’s just not for you?

  239. If you can’t be bothered to do your own janitor work, (which is evident by you using your janitorial company to do it for you all this time) then yeah, shutter your stupid business. It’s just not for you?

  240. For what it’s worth, I created BlogMachine a couple of years back. It was a Flash version of BlogAds.

    The issue, as it always is, it attracting advertisers. I’d be happy to dust off the technology but we would need persons connected to those corporate fat cats with the advertising budgets.

    There is most definitely a large niche for humorous (ie “not grown up”) blogs.

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  242. If you can’t be bothered to tie your own shoelaces, uh, buy loafers.

  243. Sorry, Mr Moran. I never anywhere said PJM betrayed all its bloggers. However, I am disappointed that, for as many times as they said they wanted to use me for things, and for as many times as I pitched them ideas, they never came through — and not only that, but they hardly if ever linked the site.

    At a certain point it became obvious that they were gathering up a stable of people and trying to turn PJM into a news network of mostly established journalists (or people who aspired to such heights). At that point I saw the writing on the wall.

    What I could never understand was why, given that the few video ventures I tried had been fairly successful, would they not work with me, as they moved toward video, to develop something entertaining. And I came to the conclusion that to them, I was too much of a loose canon — which was what I was told initially was why they wanted me to begin with.

    So yeah, I feel a bit betrayed. Which is not the same as saying everyone was betrayed. And that was perfectly clear to my readers, who’ve watched my sour on PJM over time.

    Maybe a remedial course in reading comprehension…

  244. Never liked the name, “Pajamas”. Yes, it must be the name that’s the problem, not the model.

  245. Well, who could possibly have imagined a bunch of gaseous, pretentious, self-important poppinjays like the clowns who launched Pajamas Media would fail? The whole enterprise always gave off the stench of a bitchfest presided over by humorless paltroons convinced of their own righteousness yet appalled by their own irrelevance. Let the pathetic putzes fade into their richly deserved obscurity.

  246. I’d be willing to buy one-year’s access to PW for anything up to $96.

  247. Soft Corinthian obscurity.

  248. Does anyone really watch PJTV or any other web news video? I actively avoid it.

    I knew something was wrong at Pajamas Media when they relentlessly touted Joe the Plumber’s coverage of the current middle east mess. Are they fucking nuts? They single handedly set back the credibility of the blogosphere by 5 years.

  249. Eleven million page hits seem amazingly high to me, I guess its a matter of perspective. If a stood up on a street corner and yelled what they write each day on my blog they might get 3 people who pay attention, so I guess anything over that is pretty successful.

    How did Joe the Plumber’s reports hurt blogging?

    In any case I wouldn’t pay for this site or any other because I’m too poor to do so.

  250. Who actually ROTFLMAO?

    My guess? The same type of people who make an “L” out of their fingers and plaster it to their forehead to call people losers.

    In other words, sad nerds who feel empowered by the anonymity of the internet — especially after years of being laughed at by those who would rather spend eternity with a herd of farts than spend a single evening in public with these overfed dorks.

  251. “I think PWTV would blow PJTV out of the water.”

    Because of the wicked arm bars.

    Goldberg did this (the NR editor not the wrestler). Found an old liberal friend who didn’t wet the bed or suffer gran mal seizures anytime someone uttered the word “Bush.” Chait, I think his name is. They debate stuff live on the intertube. Goldberg from his basement, and Chait from the dining room of his gay apartment on Park Avenue (or wherever).

  252. Well, we can’t all be as successful as Air America.

  253. …”a herd of farts”…

    I mostly slept through grammar class, but I think it’s a “murder of farts.”

    Ya know, like crows.

  254. e-mails sent. Hopefully you’ll hear something.

  255. This Mr. Chait?

  256. Y-not made me laugh. “Air America” indeed!

  257. But did you ROTFLMAO?

    That would be “wrong.”

  258. Jeff:

    For the record, I never wrote you felt betrayed but that the distinct impression I got from reading comments on your site was that PJM bloggers were betrayed.

    As for your own participation, you can speak to that much better than I. I recall offering you one commission that you were forced to turn down – not that the one offer constitutes evidence of anything.

    I sincerely hope you can find a way to keep PW going. You know how much I admire you and your work.

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  262. In re to Jeff’s comment about PJM, most of the commentators/columnists who now post, I’ve never heard of. And during the run up to the election, I saw an alarming number who seemed to want to tack to the center, which of course lost us the election spectacularly. At the end of the day, Roger’s a good guy and saw the light during 9-11, but he’s still a centrist, who leans left on most social issues. I grant you, some of the folks at Town Hall (which I do read) come across as hard core social conservatives- it seems to be me there’s a market for strictly constitutional issues- ie common defense, general wellfare, etc. In the next four years, you’ll have alot of time to go after all of the One’s attempts at sweeping liberal change and a blog group strictly looking at things from a Cosntitutional perspective (ie does the Constitution, as written, allow XYZ), you could attract many of the Republicans who are more concerned with government overstepping its bounds than say, abortion.

  263. “Does anyone really watch PJTV or any other web news video? I actively avoid it.”

    I totally went for the Joe the Plumber content — but didn’t want to pay for it. I want him in other hotspots. Tibet, Tamil, the Sudan, etc…. Telling us the media shouldn’t be there.

  264. This site like so many right-wing sites is nothing but a right-wing echo chamber.

  265. I DO have to complement Protein Wisdom for not blocking ISP’s after one dissenting post, like Hot Air, Ace of Spades and most other wingnut sites.

  266. WTF are you smoking, David?

    Some of the trolls on AoSHQ post there for months at a time. Icus has been there for years.

    What we can do, though, is make you disappear on an individual level.

    You’re dead to me. Buh-bye.

  267. What is best in life?

    To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the wingnut welfare queens.

  268. Captain USA’s wet dream… America run by Conan the Barbarian.
    Btw, Captain USA, how are the elections going for you pal?

  269. What is best in life?

    Trollhammering idiots.

    Buh-bye.

  270. Gee. I can hardly wait to sit at my computer, plunk down some money, and watch Pallywood on PJTV, where Leonid Q. Breakwind and Roger L. Shineola debate the merits of some crap movie.

  271. Captain USA, you remind me of what are Republican Family Values:

    Apathy, Callousness, Greed, Self Serving Self Interest,
    Narcissism, Inhumanity, Death, Looting, Plundering.

    Conan the Barbarian would be proud of the GOP.

  272. Comment by David on 1/31 @ 1:07 pm #

    This site like so many right-wing sites is nothing but a right-wing echo chamber.”

    Use punctuation much David?

    I DO have to complement Protein Wisdom for not blocking ISP’s after one dissenting post, like Hot Air, Ace of Spades and most other wingnut sites.”

    You’re kidding, right? I mean, only about 40%, at best, of the comments I’ve ever posted on Kos and HuffPo have been published. They don’t respond well to, ahem, inconvenient truths or if the troooooof! spoken to power doesn’t suit their meme-du-jour…

    Unlike you members of the left-o-sphere, we neither shout-down, censor, nor squelch our argumentative opponents….

    We do things the old fashioned way; and believe in the power and merit of our ideas as opposed to rhetorical contrivance or ham-handed-silencing…

  273. I like the letters of marque idea. But without the letters…and without Mark…whoever he is.

    Exactly. Also, I think we’d be disqualified as pirates, so never mind.

    Carry on.

  274. #274
    Comment by David on 1/31 @ 1:07 pm #

    This site like so many right-wing sites is nothing but a right-wing echo chamber.

    Whew! We can all relax now that YOU”RE here. Make with the brilliance genius.

  275. Been in your shoes…we got summarily dumped and shunned by Roger and Co for daring to color outside the lines. What did it was a post by a guest blogger, a European, who was evil enough to describe some possible scenarios for Europe if the Muslim demographics and lawlessness continued at its current pace.

    They are too dumb and anxious to grasp the very large distinction between a descriptive essay and one that is normative. Our writer wasn’t promoting genocide, he merely said that it was a *possible* scenario in the EU if things didn’t change.

    So for saying “genocide” out loud, PJ ripped off our stripes and booted us into the outer darkness. Orders from headquarters were stern: as in get outta town. NOW.

    So, as you are doing, we told our readers about it. We also asked if they would be willing to make up the difference in donations for what we were losing in PJ money. Within then days, we had more than enough to last us the year.

    In exchange, we said we’d leave our blog ad-free. As someone mentioned earlier in the comments, there are lots of people in rural areas who are stuck with dial-up connections. They were most grateful not to have to wait for those skyscrapers to load.

    Now donations drift in all year long, here and there, so that we have been able to put off another fund drive until at least the Spring.

    A suggestion: rip off your darn chains before the PJM-imposed deadlilne and ask your readers to donate. I think you will be humbly and pleasantly surprised by their cheerful generosity. I certainly was.

    Your traffic is somehwhat larger than ours, so you will no doubt do better proportionately than we did. And these commenters of yours appear to be real firecrackers — I find that fiesty people tend to be generous people. As a corollary to that, our most frequent/generous donors (in the US, anyway) came from Texas. No surprise there!

    I wish you luck. And I can honestly say I know how crummy this feels. PJM ought to hand off these tasks to Dr. Helen. Sympathy ain’t Roger’s strong point.

  276. The Republican party is not conservative, they are authoritarian-that is how they governed, and that is predictably how they will govern if they ever get power again.
    At least now that you whack-jobs are out of office, you can go back to being the mostly harmless but annoying cranks you’ve historically been.

  277. Touché, hf.

    I dunno if that was a “Bush” gran mal seizure, but Chait’s column certainly deserved it’s own padded room.

  278. Well, this sux. The comments here are half the fun and a subscription would probably dry those up. Still, if that’s the only way to keep going I’ll buy in. I’d sure enough miss stuff like this:

    In other words, sad nerds who feel empowered by the anonymity of the internet — especially after years of being laughed at by those who would rather spend eternity with a herd of farts than spend a single evening in public with these overfed dorks.

    Rapist wit indeed!

    And PJTV? What are those twatwaffles thinking?

  279. “Been in your shoes…we got summarily dumped and shunned by Roger and Co for daring to color outside the lines.”

    Was this how they contracted with people? They had the ability to just toss someone?

    “In exchange, we said we’d leave our blog ad-free. As someone mentioned earlier in the comments, there are lots of people in rural areas who are stuck with dial-up connections. They were most grateful not to have to wait for those skyscrapers to load.”

    Why not install ad-block?

  280. meya-

    I don’t know what “ad-block” is. There aren’t any ads to block. I love not having ads and still making enough to cover our expenses, plus left-overs.

    As I said, Jeff’s readers are varied, fiesty, numerous and will no doubt come to his aid. A week’s (or however long it would take) campaign and he could have this whole mess behind him. No more PJ, but on his time-table.

    I’m reactive enough that had we received that group kiss-off, my Irish temper would’ve kissed back. It’s harder when you’re the only one, though.

    The thing I still can’t get over is that PJM is really just a leftist organization, up to the eyeballs in political correctness.

    Oh…I meant a leftist org with a failed business plan — e.g., they wouldn’t touch Rush Limbaugh with a ten foot pole if he gave *them* money. Too scared to do anything really cutting edge. We’re talking Hollywood here. Da Herd.

  281. “Why not install ad-block?”

    Because Flea Market christ is still soliciting donations.

    The warmth and grace of the all giving One…in a “pop up” add.

    Or maybe a side bar.

    With waffles and stuff.

  282. I’m only an occasional lurker/ even more infrequent commenter here, but PW was/is astonishing.

    Under another name, I got the invite, and then the shovel in the face from PJM way back when they started. I later, saw what looked like the first board meeting of PJM, and was struck by how greedy and selfish they looked.

    Now, I like some of these guys, so I don’t want to slam on them too hard, but I think they let their greed get out of hand. Just a guess.

    What I wanted out of that board was a visionary group that could help everyone willing to work at it. I didn’t see that. I wanted leadership for conservatism, and instead we got exploitation, I’d guess.

    And now to take Jeff, who is one of the more brilliant (I put people like Burge and Richard Fernandez and Den Beste) in his extremely high level not reachable by mortals like moi, and not reachable by most or all of the PJM board, and to toss him aside…well, all I can say is I’m in good company. Its an honor to be in the PJM shovel in the face club if Goldstein is in it too.

  283. “The thing I still can’t get over is that PJM is really just a leftist organization, up to the eyeballs in political correctness”

    Indeed: Joe the Plumber — politically correct.

  284. So how much does it take to run your site, allow you to eat and pay bills, etc? The reason I ask (I don’t really care, and it’s none of my business anyway)is there are about 50 blog sites I like and visit from time to time like this one. I actually prefer blog sites with allowed comments – much more than I do watching TV on my computer screen. Interactive is good for me. Watching PJTV is no different than watching Tom Brokaw or Bill O’Reilly, except for content.

    So what am I driving at? Capitalism, my boy! Get a shitload of you guys together with your blogs. Charge for them. I’d pay $30.00 a month or so to enter a front door and be able to go the the blogs I go to now. A buck a day is cheap to be able to continue to read here, iowahawk, Ace – the list is almost endless now. Contact each other, figure it out, and let’s get this done. Believe me, you’re not gonna be in the bailout.
    I can cut back to basic cable. Those of us who go to blogs instead of watching HBO, etc., wouldn’t be missed anyway.

  285. Plus, with all the wall street boys crashing and burning, there has to be some data centers somewhere with huge servers sitting there doing nothing, or at least using very little of their capacity. Lemonade!

  286. Don’t let the door to the intertubes hit you in the ass. Oh, who am I kidding? You’ll never stop… you’re too needy.

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  288. What is it about Jeff that attracts such hateful, petty, and needy leftists to his site?

  289. I don’t brake for shadenfreude.

  290. Christopher: Schadenfreud.

    Jeff: Seriously, try Project Wonderful. You may well have enough traffic to do reasonably well with it.

  291. …holy crap, great minds…

  292. “I can’t speak for anyone else, but a site which actually featured PW and AoS would pretty much dominate my browser.”

    Throw in a couple of gay fashion bloggers and a mean gossip writer and I’d never click out again!

  293. Oh, yeah, Day by Day guy ran a fundraiser that paid for him to keep doing the strip. Can that be done here?

  294. Comment by David on 1/31 @ 2:31 pm

    Are you, like, using index cards to write your points? Cuz I am not seeing the scintillating insight here.

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  296. Is this supposed to be news?

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  298. Bummer. Now you may have to enter the workplace and actually produce something useful for society.

    Love to know how the job interviews go:

    Potential Employer: “So what have you done for the past few years?”

    PW: “I make the world better by complaining about things on the internet.”

    Potential Employer: “Don’t call us. We’ll call you.”

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  300. #287
    What uncommon insight!I can tell you, we’re all just floored by your ability to see deep into the body politic that is conservatism. What a rare treat!
    Do tell. Are we evder going to be in peril of you not commenting?

  301. I’m definitely not a big fish but I have always loved your blog, even if I’ve let my own slack off as of late due to financial constraints. I just wanted to let you know that. Here’s hoping that you’ll be able to stick around because PW has been one hell of a site so far.

  302. Get a real job, hippie.

  303. I’m not a fan. I’m pretty much the polar opposite of a fan. But, Jeff, Blogads is not a charity. They are in business to be in business. If you get eyeballs to watch their ads, they won’t refuse you. Taking you back isn’t a problem. Go to Blogads. As far as Pajamas Media goes, well, appealing to a fanatical shrinking market is okay for Rush Limbaugh. But, not all of his market is Internet-savvy. Sorry.

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  305. appealing to a fanatical shrinking market is okay for Rush Limbaugh

    13 million people listen to Limbaugh every week.

    He’s not going anywhere.

  306. 13 million people listen to Limbaugh every week.

    Er, what’s that?

    2 million a day?

  307. Well, this was bound to happen after the Democrats won. Why the surprise. Your job was to defeat them, and you lost.

  308. I used to be in blogads. Gave it up for PJM. Doubt they’ll take me back.

    You’d make them money, so why not?

  309. Dennis the Peasant is actually sating something different from most other people.

    Common Wisdom: The PJM revenue model doesn’t work.

    Dennis: Nothing wrong with the model, but no one put in the work to implement it correctly.

    It’s difficult to decide between these by analyzing PJTV as a likely failure with common parentage, since it seems like a bad model badly implemented.

  310. You weren’t profitable. You were dropped from the dole.

    Viva capitalism. Now quit whining like entitlement-mentality types and get a real job.

  311. SPB, is there a Trollhammer full-auto? Swinging that hammer at the Tuna’s and Jaim’s of the world one at a time takes too long…….

  312. I’m still baffled by the idea of relying on PJTV for money. I mean, seriously. You’re going to try to use the Internet equivalent of a public-access TV station – and the attendant level of quality therein – to rake in the dough? Why?

  313. Capitalism means a company will shoot you in the head and throw you in a ditch if you’re no longer useful. I guess the invisible hand of the market has given the finger to all you bloggers who helped build the Pajamas Media brand. Hey, at least you can take solace in that you essentially worked for less than minimum wage to make your uberboss sucessful.

  314. Oh nonono. We can take solace that Baracky and his woman will make it all better. You’ll see, Dot. No worries.

  315. Nobody wants to be tied down to a job right now. You want maximum flexibility to catch the tasty waves of Baracky stimulus I think. You only get one shot, Dot. Don’t miss your chance to blow.

  316. “Actually that part of our business has been losing money from the beginning, so the people getting their quarterly checks from PJM were getting a form of stipend from us in the hopes that advertisers would start to cotton to blogs and we could possibly make a profit. Didn’t happen. No wonder those people are kicking and screaming now that they are off the dole. I might too.”

    Roger has spoken again. Seems fair to me. I’m sure that Roger spelled the “dole” aspects out to Jeff when Jeff signed on, right? Because, if he didn’t, Jeff’s opinion of Roger would be pretty much objectively validated.

  317. Capitalism means a company will shoot you in the head and throw you in a ditch if you’re no longer useful.

    No, that’s fascism. Capitalists will just lay you off.

  318. The hatred from the tolerant Left is so predictable.

  319. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHhhaaaaaa

  320. Hold on minute – you mean you really expected the jackasses as PJM to generate enough media to actually pay bills? Why? What in the entire history of that benighted enterprise made you think their TV arm would capture enough viewers to be profitable? All we need to make the story complete is a Kim du Toit-esque rant about how blogging doesn’t pay the bills and how you and other PJM contributors might actually have to go out and get a real job (not that du Toit was *that* motivated to make something of himself). Excuse me while I dry my tears – laughing that hard tends to make my eyes water…

  321. I’m with ‘feets. Safari, people!

  322. I actually find the trolls fascinating. The fact that I can make them care so much that they’ll actually take the time to post their petty hatreds means I am not unlike a God.

    Yay, me!

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  324. Don’t be so pessimistic.

    here’s my offer (it’s not much better than what I gave to Nick Denton):

    I pay $100 for the domain. Host it for free on my servers.

    You get 100% of any profit you get from sponsorships/advertising.

    Let me know before the second wave of the Greatest Depression hits in a few weeks.

    Ciao.

  325. Hi Jeff-

    Sorry to hear about your demise. Guess you’ll have to do something productive now. Can’t help you with a subscription, but I might be willing to chip in on a klonopin prescription.

  326. David represents everything wrong with liberals;
    Stupid, sodomite, syphilitic, greasy hair, pants with cuffs two high, pale, acne scarred, ugly, constipated, nose picking, friendless…you get the picture

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  328. Guess what! PJ Media will lose a lot of its audience who prefer to read their news at their time and place rather than on TV with a set schedule.

    I have to say I know how you feel. Remember when Google was an infant? I was one of the first adopters of Google and indeed did everything I could to help them spread the word.

  329. hey what’s that? oh. it’s the clue phone. It’s for you.

  330. “Oh nonono. We can take solace that Baracky and his woman will make it all better. You’ll see, Dot. No worries.”

    Leave the snark to the professionals.

  331. Oh, Dot, he’s snarkier than the professionals by far.

    He’s a sort of Johannes factotum of snark.

  332. #

    Comment by bill on 2/1 @ 3:19 pm #

    David represents everything wrong with liberals;
    Stupid, sodomite, syphilitic, greasy hair, pants with cuffs two high, pale, acne scarred, ugly, constipated, nose picking, friendless…you get the picture

    In other words, NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Don’t worry, you jock-sniffing athletic, self-reliant types will figure out some way around being kicked off of your wingnut-welfare.

  333. truth, you seem a little excited. Were you victimized much in your youth.

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  335. Thank you, Dan. I guess the clue phone thing was kind of trite though. Still. That was hurtful, what Dot said.

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  337. Hey guys, don’t feel so sad – I’m getting my own show of PajamasTV!

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  339. I’m one of those people on “the Left”, and while I may not agree with your perceptions or positions, the way you and the rest of the bloggers here have been treated is absolutely despicable. It’s in the exchange of ideas that we come to agreement.

  340. Sorry to see you go.

  341. Basically Protein Wisdom was being subsidized by venture capital. Advertisers were not willing to pay an amount to compensate Goldstein adequately. PJ Media seemed to rectify that problem by topping up whatever revenue it made each month on advertising on Goldstein’s blog with money out of its venture capital. That made it a workable deal for Goldstein. But the venture capital is drying up.

    Now, Protein Wisdom might be an awesome place for advertising, in which case some place like Blog Ads will provide PW with an income.

    However, I suspect, much like a lot of advertisers are ditching mainstream media, they’ll be loathe to pay for ads on Protein Widson when they can do targeted advertising on sites that cater to whatever that advertiser is willing to sell.

    So it’s time to get a real job.

  342. That’s not very insightful.

  343. Man, first we elect a black liberal named Barack Hussein Obama, and now this. As they say on Queer Eye For the Straight Guy, “Things just keep getting better…”

    Funny how Josh Marshall never has problems paying the bills.

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  346. Is the man not entitled to the sweat of his blog?

  347. the free market has spoken. You’re obsolete.

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  350. long live teh ace

  351. Sorry to hear about this, Perf. But you are a good writer. I am confident that you will go on to bigger and better things.

  352. Nice to see you, Lisa.

  353. Nice to see you to Dan. I truly hope that Protein Wisdom will live on in some form or another. You are all truly a joy to read and interact with (even for a leftist crank like me). I don’t get to come around and comment as frequently so please feel free to email me with news about fundraisers or any way that I can help.

    — Comrade S.T.

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  358. The fact is, you were in with the wrong people. We are often slow to asses the true nature of our arrangements until they are past us.
    Once Pajamas fired Gates of Vienna, you should have been concerned that they didn’t fire you.
    There is never enough talent out there to go around, so it is not talent they are looking for. If they had stock, I’d short it.

  359. Fact is Jeff reads Flaubert, Genet, Celine and even a few nuance-filthy Russian poets. That’s why he loves the free-whizzing lingua, Mr. Wilson.

    I see a day where the hick-tongued don’t care for PW anymore, but the art and letters daily crowd might.

  360. It just kills you that a woman blows your doors off in a debate, don’t it fool?

  361. Dammit, wrong thread.

  362. Don’t worry, little NeoCon bloggers. Everything will trickle down, just like Reagan said it would. NOT.

  363. Ah, Prog Rock.

    Three weeks late and forty IQ points short.

    Typical.

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