Pam Spaulding and (Roy Edroso at) the (troubled*) Village Voice, among others, can’t distinguish between my post on the PJM meltdown and Jeff’s update, addressed to Roger. Moreover, they’ve grabbed the “wingnut welfare” meme so helpfully handed to them by The Fedora and run with it.
I’ve got other things to attend to today. Lots, in fact. But I may have to spend some time responding to these twerps.
I’d rather watch the 7th goddamn season of Bewitched.
For those of you who are new to this kerfuffle (rolled in a debacle with a creamy nuance center) see here, here and here.
UPDATE: Pam’s corrected. From the comments, it seems like the VV has corrected, too. So, good, but it will be interesting to see how far-flung the original misconceptions are by the end of the day. And by that I mean, of course, that it will suck.
REUPDATE: From SBP–
The troubled* Village Voice laid off three employees Tuesday, including Nat Hentoff, the prominent columnist who has worked for the paper since 1958, contributing opinionated columns about jazz, civil liberties and politics.
Lynn Yaeger, a fashion writer who has worked for the paper for about 30 years, was also laid off, as was Chloe A. Hilliard, who has written for two years.
Comedy is all about timing, people. Yaeger’s job was made redundant by Mrs. Obama.
Rereupdate: Jeff’s email to Pam
What a mess.
You know, attempting to interact with those folks is pointless. They’ve found a spin they’re happy with, and nothing is going to change their mind.
I say Bravo to the Fedora for damaging the alternative message the right-side of the blogshpere is trying to promote, and giving ammunition to the likes of Pam Spaulding. His failed model has allowed them to come to these conclusions:
Good JOB! See, the model didn’t suck, it was just that no one cared what right bloggers wanted to say.
As I said, it’s pointless to engage in conversation with these folks.
It’s a disappointing situation, but let the lefty tongues wag. There’s the future to consider, time to look to that instead of busting on the obvious.
Given the American people’s distaste for socialism as practiced by Baracky (who can be argued is something of a no-account dipshit what mostly accidentally got his dirty socialist ass elected pezzydent) and desire for change, the money wasn’t there because no one cared about what the New York Times had to say or was willing to pay them to say it in this climate.
You know who else is going bankrupt? The Detroit papers. I guess no one is interest in their liberal message.
Silver lining: the more the proggs convince themselves this PJM thing has implications beyond JM, the more poleaxed they’re going to be when the revolution comes.
(Most revolutions these days prefer to shoot, but the poleaxe is an underappreciated weapon.)
Well said, Herb.
<looks around sheepishly>
ARGH!
“convince themselves this PJM thing has implications beyond PJM”
<grumble>
Yep.
So read this piece I wrote about the right bloggers and what they had to say!
they look expensive
Pam’s money quote is here:
Pam is probably right about this.
Pam Spaulding looks like Theodore from Alvin and the Chipmunks with dreadlocks. I don’t know what this adds to the discussion, but it is true, so I said it.
oh. I was gonna say that wasn’t nice, but I click over and Pam is one of those what uses the word Talibangelist when she talks about the Christian people. What a bigot and also she has no discernment. Also she likes coffee. I like coffee too. You’d think that would be enough, but no. She is not a nice person I don’t think.
This was a link from the Village Voice article (which is engaged in schadenfreud)–but it is an interesting link on Johnson getting the boot from PJM.
And the VV did appear to have corrected the error about mixing Dan and Jeff.
“Talibangelist”
Are you F-ing kidding me?
You know who else is going bankrupt?
The Detroit papersall the papers.Fixed it for you. :-)
Pam and her fellow Lesbian, Gay, Bi Transgendered pals are convinced if you go to church and actually take it even a wee bit seriously, you must be ready to burn them at the stake. They are convinced it was Booooooooooosh’s goal to institute the Handmaid’s Tale, and only their service at the ramparts kept that from happening. I am not endorsing Pam’s political or recent historical lunacy, but I thought her last comment on this who blogging ad mess was correct.
Talibangelist… it’s what passes for clever in our post-partisan dirty socialist utopia I think
They ain’t cheap, Happy, but they also don’t need to be reloaded.
Somehow these people have convinced themselves that Grandma nagging them to go to church when they were teenagers was every bit as bad as having their genitalia mutilated and being stuffed into a sack.
You’d think those big holes in Lower Manhattan would remind them that the Talibastards murdered 3,000 of their fellow citizens, while Rick Warren hasn’t ever murdered anybody.
The narcissism is breathtaking.
So this c#nt compares people that use their religious views as a basis for their votes in a Representative Republic to a regime that in Asia that got its jollys off shooting people in a soccer stadium and preventing woman from reading. She must be a very nice and tolerant person, I would want her to come over my house for dinner most certainly.
How about we all start comparing Obama voters to the Shining Path.
Hmm how about PinO!cheist?
o people are like north koreans
The entire world and everything that happens in it revolves around Pam’s penchant for eating pussy. Just so you know.
And don’t tell Andrew Sullivan. He thinks it’s all about him.
Patterico on Andrew Sullivan tying himself in knots.
Nah O! people are like the dirty unwashed masses in one of those pissant South American countries that knowingly vote in socialist dictators who immediately upon winning disallow any future election while closing down any hostile media outlets so the people that voted them in only see government approved propaganda that they now are having happy happy joy joy lives while their new dictator proceeds to brutalize the populace. I love run on sentences by the way.
As Carin alludes, leftards certainly won’t self-correct when there’s might-makes-right to promote. Witness our lovable trolls, who trot out the populist-might canard as proof of concept at the, well, drop of a hat.
The right needs a publicly defined platform, I’m tellin ya…
Heh. A comment from “Brown Frown” Pam’s co-blogger Bachalon (closed comments over there, BTW)..
Hatred’s what got Obonga elected, Bachalon. Hatred of Bush, hatred of traditional values-values what got us here. Values you don’t have, you narcissistic pompous bum fucker.
“How do these people manage to survive on a day to day basis? Is hatred really that strong, that sustaining?”
Well that person obviously had a blind fold and earmuffs on for the last 8 years. Plus comparing groups in the United States to the freakin Taliban shows a level of hatred that is very hard to ignore.
Just FYI, I’ve had a very civil conversation with Pam herself. You’re free to whale on her ideology or her analogies, or anything else, of course, but she seems like a decent sort.
I would not consider using the word Talibangalist to be very civil or condusive to substantive analysis of anything other than as an example of BDS.
Watch your back, Dan.
@29 So, they lack any ability for self reflection. I am shocked. Shocked!
Love of liberty = hatred.
Love of servitude = honor.
I retort; you deride.
Considering that the “plastic turkey” lie is still floating around, I wouldn’t hold out much hope that the record will be set straight.
I agree with Pink. Calling people “Talibangelists” isn’t what I’d consider civil (for the record, I’m not an evangelical Christian).
I agree, SBP, but our email conversation was civil.
#20 SBP:
The big holes do not exist. They are not part of the narrative. You can see all the film you want of the USS Arizona burning at Pearl Harbor, but you may not see any film of two big holes being made in Manhatten.
It is not part of the approved narrative. It does not exist.
I was not deriding you sorry if it came across that way. The use of such completely over the top and hateful language is what I was disagreeing with.
Carin, I hope all is well with you.
Thanks Geezer. I’m hoping I get those results today.
the money wasn’t there because no one cared about what the New York Times had to say or was willing to pay them to say it in this climate
meltdown … new 52-wk low … it’s very sad
Dan,
Maybe Samantha can nose wiggle our way out of the financial crisis, the national debt, islamo-fascism, and Obama; all at once!
Samantha Power? Now, she looks like someone who might really marry Darren II.
No, Mr. Pink, I didn’t mean me.
MaO!ists
Looks like Michael Phelps is getting more shit for his Maoi Wowie.
“it’s very sad”
It sure is, feets. It’s like seeing the decline in the incidence of leprosy or syphilis or polio. There’s still hope though – syphilis is making a comeback among the ignorant, so why couldn’t the NYT?
Plus it was an inside job. And we were asking for it. Chickens coming home to roost. What Bush sent.
meltdown … new 260 wk
52-wklow … it’s very sad“She is not a nice person I don’t think.”
Yes, this. She was probably only civil to Dan because she feared Dan not being civil to her. Her appearance aside, my biggest problem is with her work product, which should always be accompanied by a video of tumbleweed meandering through Mainstreet in an Old West Ghost town. It is all heat, no light, lots of factual errors and omissions, chock-full of hypocrisy, painfully Lesbo-centric [and not the good kind of lesbian], banal, and embarrassingly unwittingly revelatory of her own psychological issues. (as in, I’m embarrassed for her)
ohnoes. If you really look at that chart with a critical eye, forgetting what you know about what a strong brand the New York Times is, you can see a discernible pattern. Maybe it’s just me.
VV is VILLAGE VOICE?
I thought it was Vicious Vagina. There is nothing nice about Pam Spaulding. Most liberals ooze hate.
“Somehow these people have convinced themselves that Grandma nagging them to go to church when they were teenagers was every bit as bad as having their genitalia mutilated and being stuffed into a sack.”
That’s the beauty of moral relativism SBP…
Because, when it’s expedient, those things are equivalent…
Just like by opposing Obama’s
giveawaypolitical payoffsDemocrat party voters drivestimulus plasn, we are hoping that Americans and the economy suffers…But on the other hand, they were wielding absolute moral heft and authority when they were declaring the war lost, or hoping that it would soon be so, to suit their political ambitions…
Know how I’m sure..? The MSM told me so, of course…
Well, I haven’t noticed Jeff laying off half his staff.
My guess is they work cheap.
True dat, Bewitched is a mighty mighty couch magnet.
Did you mention to her that I can be a prick, and that I take medication?
Context.
oh. Nat Hentoff. He’s a for real journalist. That’s too bad. But what would we need civil liberties reporting for anymore?
Yeah, I’m all about dissing you, Jeff.
My email to Pam:
MSM is in an ad-driven collapse.
so is the blogosphere.
something will step into the gap, or not.
either way, Pam missed that.
next.
I’m not an advertising guy, but I didn’t think the advertising thing would pay. There are only so many potential customers, and so many hours of the day that each customer is going to see an ad. with so many outlets, so much media, it would seem that the effect of an ad in any one spot would be horribly weakened. Advertising rates would have to go down to permit an ad to be placed on enough outlets to ensure it was seen.
Media saturation = dilution of any one ad on any one media source/entity = declining ad revenues for that particular media source/entity.
“Obama’s stimulus plasn”
If you meant “Obama’s Stimulus Plasm” methinks you took a stroke of genius.
“Cult site”?
Does that mean we get to, like, sacrifice goats or something?
Does that mean we get to, like, sacrifice goats or something?
It means we have to post a video swearing our loyalty and first-borns to Jeff.
Hey, as long as I don’t have to be Demi Moore. Or her boy-toy.
No problem saying you have problems with McCain, conservatives are good with that. But going on NPR? Hell, you are not even supposed to know where NPR is on your car radio. This is highly suspect! Pretty soon we are going to find out you gave a $100 pledge to get a copy of the CD Terry Gross’ Best Interviews Evah.
It better not be castration and black Nikes.
The only comet I’m hitching a ride on was made by Mercury back in the ’60s.
Yes, put me down on the no-cutting-important-stuff-off side.
If we’re going to be in a cult, I want it to be the kind where you get to have lots of filthy cult sex.