November 13, 2008

A day of Revelations!

First came the news that, despite what he told us while running for President, Barack Obama really did sit in his “spiritual advisor’s” church every Sunday imbibing Black Liberation Theology. For 20 years. Where he picked up absolutely nothing that will affect his worldview, we’re to believe. Unless he writes another autobiography — in which case all bets are off, and I expect to find that Barack found that experience transformative.

Now, as a follow-up, comes the news most of us already knew: Bill Ayers was more to Obama than “just some guy from the neighborhood”:

In a new afterword to his 2001 book, Bill Ayers, former leader of the 1960s radical group Weather Underground, describes President-elect Barack Obama as a “family friend” and denies he wished his group had set off more bombs in the 1960s.

Ayers, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, adds few new details about his relationship with Obama in the afterword to Fugitive Days: Memoirs of an Anti-War Activist. The book is being reissued this month.

“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,” he writes.

[…]

“Obama’s political rivals and enemies apparently saw an opportunity to deepen a dishonest narrative about him, that he is somehow un-American, alien, linked to radical ideas, a closet terrorist, a sympathizer with extremism,” Ayers wrote.

Ayers was the purported “terrorist” Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was referring to when she claimed that Obama was “palling around with terrorists.”

At a presidential debate, Obama described Ayers as engaging in “despicable acts with a radical domestic group,’’ adding that he “roundly condemned those acts.”

He has also said that Ayers is “not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis.”

Right. Just recipes and vacation slide shows over slices of Michele’s famous Bundt cake. Then, coffee and Pictionary!

Honestly, I don’t know what’s most galling about this: Ayers’ weaselly attempt to walk back his well-publicized and constant “regret” that he hadn’t “done more” as a member of the Weather Underground; or Obama’s having once again lied to the American public about the extent of his relationship with a radical domestic terrorist (why the Sun Times goes with “purported” or places terrorist in square quotes is anybody’s editorial guess) — while the press effectively gave him cover until after the election was won. After which, meh — so we fibbed. Sue us.

Personally, I’m beginning to doubt Obama’s integrity. And his goodness.

But then, I’m part of the problem conservatives face winning over the “moderate middle”, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.

(h/t Hot Air)

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update: Jules Crittenden has more.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:21pm
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Comments (300)

  1. Obama’s goodness doesn’t count. It’s his godliness that matters; just change out a few letters, and you’re good to go.

  2. “But then, I’m part of the problem conservatives face winning over the “moderate middle”, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.”

    You forgot racist…..

  3. I love salt. The dude’s a fuckhead. But none of this matters to the believers. He’s hope and change, man. Hope and change.

  4. Honestly, I don’t know what’s most galling about this: Ayers’ weaselly attempt to walk back his well-publicized and constant “regret” that he hadn’t “done more” as a member of the Weather Underground; or Obama’s having once again lied to the American public about the extent of his relationship with a radical domestic terrorist …while the press effectively gave him cover until after the election was won. After which, meh — so we fibbed. Sue us.

    It appears that radical-chic is going mainstream. Next we’ll see Jane Fonda holding a reunion with the anit-aircraft crew that she made the infamous anti-war propaganda photos with. They’ll all gather over Dim-Sum and toast their collective victory over the real terrorist-the marauding US government of course…

    And, it’s becoming painfully clear that O! is a pathalogical, but canny, LIAR

    So if you see his lips moving, he’s probably lying about something…

    This is such a blatant example of the lying and collusion of the fouth estate; it’s a shame that this truth will not become wide-spread. And if it does, anyone who talks about it will be admonished for depriving O! of his well deserved electoral honeymoon, will be decried as a Hater!, or denounced! as a…RAAAAAAACIST!

    You do know why O! deserves his electoral honeymoon, don’t you…

    Because he just Fucked us all-reeeeeeall good-in the general election

    I mean, he could at least kissed us on his way to the white house…

  5. O! is good…

    A goooooood LIAR!

  6. “Personally, I’m beginning to doubt Obama’s integrity. And his goodness.”

    You can say that again!

  7. I’m the middle. I am got.

  8. “Obama’s political rivals and enemies apparently saw an opportunity to deepen a dishonest narrative about him, that he is somehow un-American, alien, linked to radical ideas, a closet terrorist, a sympathizer with extremism,” Ayers wrote.

    How is it a “dishonest narrative”? The church he attended “every Sunday” preaches things that, if the colors and parties were switched, would end someone’s political career. Hell, I suspect that belonging to the equivalent — a “Christian Identity” church — would be a social stigma that could damage your career even outside of politics.

    He definitely is linked with extremism — through his friendship and partnership with Ayers. Planting bombs is goddamned extreme.

  9. Now you’re just going all ODS on us, Rob.

    Denounce yourself, then say 10 Hail Gilligans.

  10. It’s nice though they don’t just assume their readers would know who Ayers is. I listen to NPR all the time and this is the first I’ve heard about him.

  11. O has a radical mission. And he’ll betray his oath to America, and make us think we are under the mistletoe as he is doing it.

  12. That’s my propheseh.

  13. But then, I’m part of the problem conservatives face winning over the “moderate middle”, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt.

    Some other problems

  14. Denounce yourself, then say 10 Hail Gilligans.

    You’re right. I denounce myself.

    And now I can’t get that damned song out of my head. That’s the punishment, right?

  15. Sarah Palin didn’t even make the cut.

  16. I’m pretty sure anyone with the brain capacity of a AA battery saw this coming a mile away.

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  18. White guilt knows no bounds, or shame, or sensibility.

  19. Ayers: another upper-middle class white kid trying to be cool by being “radical.”

  20. It’s because the leftists understand a fundamental truism of information operations:

    A simple lie always defeats a complex truth.

    They lie away the uncomfortable facts, and explaining the truth of the matter loses the interest of the undecided.

  21. Ayers: another upper-middle class white kid trying to be cool by being “radical.”

    That is what he was. Now he is just another power hungry lying piece of shit.

  22. Obama the magic bartender at the Velvet-Radical-Lounge. Set’um up, a round of revelations for all.

    Who knew all we needed was to give him power and all shall be revealed. And in less than ten days too.

  23. Denounce yourself, then say 10 Hail Gilligans.

    Those are Hail Stanleys is what you need to say.

  24. I’ve explained on other threads here — and on Beldar’s where he deleted my comments — why I doubt Patterico’s integrity, but not necessarily his honesty… integrity can also mean steadfast adherence to a moral code.

    But I’m actually beginning to think Barack Obama has that sort of integrity to his radical Communist agenda, and also is intentionally dishonest (duh) when it helps his cause.

    I don’t think his cause is very — you know — good.

  25. The thing is, his radical leanings were there to see all along…for any one who, you know, bothered to look.

  26. The evisceration of America proceeds apace.

  27. Someone criticized me on a previous thread when I asked if it’s okay to start calling Patterico a shithead.

    But screw that!

    Patterico’s a fucking shithead.

    Ayers doesn’t make it clear whether they are still family friends, or if not, when they last were. But it certainly suggests that Obama was minimizing….

    “Are these “lies”? Well, the first is less than forthcoming, but I don’t know that I’d call it a lie.”

    You’re welcome to read Patterico’s entire post so you can take it in context. For my sake, I’m shedding buckets of respect for the man as he bends over backwards apologizing for Obama and trying to justify his defense of Obama’s “goodness”.

    I’ve said good things about Patterico in the past and the other day when he eventually explained why he was ignoring my criticism of him and didn’t respond to one substantive point, he said a couple nice things about me in the midst of his withering critism. I appreciate that.

    I’m not motivated by any personal hatred of the man, but I’m disgusted with his defense of Barack Obama as being “good”. It’s an insult to good men everywhere and legitimately has made me convinced — yes, convinced! — that Patterico lacks personal integrity in this matter.

    I think Jeff G. was more circumspect in stating roughly the same thing (at least that’s how Patterico took it regardless of how he meant it).

    However, I’m anything but circumspect so I’ll just say it.

  28. Persuading the “moderate middle” to accept bombing of their government buildings as another “ho hum” protest will be a neat trick…

  29. It’s like certain conservatives are having that Kevin Bacon moment in Animal House when the crowd just starts wilding. Blows my mind, this parsing, but what the hell — sometimes it’s tough to concede you made a bad call.

  30. Christoph, seriously, ask me and I’ll explain why people tune you out.

    Patterico isn’t a “fucking shithead”. C’mon, grow up.

  31. I’m cross posting this comment I left in response to a comment by Patterico in the thread I linked above in comment #29. Patterico is speaking in the blockquoted section:

    Not only that, I said he did lie.

    Won’t keep people from pretending I didn’t.

    Yes but the key is he lied to the American people about who will hold the power of LIFE and DEATH over them as their President, and his associations with Communist (read Prairie Fire) terrorists and a Manson-murder devotee.

    The American people have now elected Obama based on his lies, and some of them WILL die because of it. Mark my words.

    This isn’t lying about sex — this is lying to the American people about his relationship with a Communist and a Pentagon-bombing terrorist and his murder-supporting wife. In more ways than just the Manson quote.

    There’s so much more to Obama, of course, but for you to call Obama decent is a farce.

    I’m banned here, so I’ll cross post this at Protein Wisdom, the newest thread.

  32. Patterico is wrong, seems obvious to me. In about two weeks the polite honeymoon observation will pass and we’ll be on the same page again.

    Christoph, read Jeff’s writing. He couldn’t disagree more.

    But, he’s not being a dick about it either.

  33. oh snap!
    my babies daddy bought a glass bottle today and i seen my reflection
    and i’m white!
    not half white-pasty white!
    i hope that was just the dr. pepper logo i was seeing
    cuz if i got red hair!
    i’m joinning the nearest circus!

  34. Kevin Bacon was in Animal house?

  35. “I’m banned here, so I’ll cross post this at Protein Wisdom, the newest thread.”

    Hint: I doubt Jeff is psyched about that.

    Jeff=signal. Christoph=noise.

  36. red in the head
    fire in the
    booooosh-evil!

    let me re-phrase
    i’d rather be dan rather
    then red in the
    booooooosh evil snot

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  38. “Patterico isn’t a “fucking shithead”.”

    It’s plausible he’s just profoundly stupid, and despite being fully informed on various known facts about Barack Obama, just doesn’t see what we see.

    Christoph, read Jeff’s writing. He couldn’t disagree more.”

    Speaking of which, Jeff G. doesn’t believe that. Jeff G. has said he believes Patterico is being untruthful when he says Obama is decent.

    I give Patterico the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being outright dishonest. Jeff G. puts things in a milder way, but his charge itself is at least as severe.

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  40. “I doubt Jeff is psyched about that.”

    I’m sure he’s fully capable of communicating what he is or isn’t psyched about. In the meantime as I’ve noted above, Jeff G.’s actual accusation that Patterico is being dishonest in his recent writings is at least — probably more — severe than my take.

    However, the main thing is Barack Obama. He’s a liar and associated with murderous communist terrorists. And supports partial-birth abortion, the horror Patterico told us about, infanticide, the one Ed Morrissey told us about, etc.

    Peachy.

  41. Kevin Bacon was in Animal house?

    Remain calm. All is well!

    Oh, and thank you sir, may I have another.

  42. Sorry, I misspoke.

    “associated” ?

    No. Family friends with. And of course mentored under, served on 2 boards together, picked for one of them to be Ayers’ hand chosen CEO, etc., and etc., and etc.

    And this is only one of Barack Obama’s Marxist a.k.a. communist associations.

  43. Dude, Christoph, Jeff isn’t your superego. You can chose not to call Patterico a “fucking shithead” all by yourself.

    It just isn’t cool, man.

  44. Ehhh, for what it matters, yeah, I can’t speak for Jeff either. I’ll note that he’s not tossing grenades at Patterico though.

  45. Patterico is being lawyerly. He is overparsing, in my opinion — it isn’t that Ayers didn’t make things clear, necessarily; perhaps plausible the Chicago papers didn’t feel the need to draw a fucking map, is an equally plausible reading — but then, that’s what lawyers are paid to do: be careful.

    Me, I don’t answer to anybody but my readers, who either trust my judgment or do not, and they do so based on my work, my associates, and my enemies.

    Which frees me up to be all OUTLAWY and shit.

  46. Kevin Bacon was in Animal house?

    Kevin Bacon is in everything.

    Animal House trailer
    Try 31 seconds in yellow sweater and 44 seconds.

  47. Carry on, though. I have to go use my OUTLAW fists to beat an OUTLAW heavy bag. Which won’t be easy after polishing off a bottle of delicious Bray Vineyards wine all by my lonesome.

  48. blowhard, if Jeff G. is correct in his suspicion that Patterico is lying to his readership about whether Obama is decent or not, then my characterization of him is not unfair.

    If Patterico lacks integrity for the reasons I suspect, then it is not unfair.

    And if Patterico’s just really stupid, it might be unfair, but he’s called me worse as recently as 2 days ago and he’ll live.

    “I’ll note that he’s [Jeff G.’s] not tossing grenades at Patterico though.”

    I’m sure that’s why Patterico came here in a huff the other day that Jeff G. had impugned his honesty and integrity.

  49. “He is overparsing, in my opinion. He is overparsing, in my opinion…”

    Fair enough. I think it’s a little more than that, but okay.

    As your fellow outlaw here’s my new haircut to doubly express my feelings for Barack Obama and Patterico’s “parsing”, but mostly Barack Obama’s voters.

  50. Wow, I saw that movie a bunch of times and did not know that was him. But then I never claimed to be a movie expert.

    I learn so much here!

  51. Anyway, here’s something we can all agree on: You, me, Patterico, even Barack: This is some pretty wicked basketball for a CEO.

  52. Christoph:

    Just consider for a moment, this beatdown of Patterico has got to stop. So the dude’s got a different opinion than Jeff. There’s no reason to keep beating the dead horse. Jeff and Pat and you already had it out a couple of days ago, nobody’s mind got changed. At this point you just sit back and when he says “Dude, was I ever wrong!”, you can point and laugh, but carrying on the war over here isn’t working.

    Just some food for thought.

  53. baxtrice, while he’s defending an evil man, I will attack him when I have the time and attention to do so.

  54. Christoph, at the end of the day, a question. Do you see the difference between “lawyerly”, “parsing” and “fucking”, “shithead”?

    If you don’t, I think you’re just the soft kid on the outside of the circle yelling “fight, fight, fight”.

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  56. Christoph;

    Ehh, you’re quarter, you can play whatever song you want.

  57. Crap, PIMF, “I meant Your quarter”

  58. There are people who should be mocked, made sport of, reviled. I’ve done so. They are the socialist enemies that can never be brought around to my side of things. Anything goes against implacable enemies.

    Others I have disagreements with and think of them as possible allies, maybe former allies that I have a falling out with over something, maybe someone who could be an ally in the future.

    With those you argue with some respect. Even if you think they are very wrong you keep it on a level where an alliance can still be possible. No ad hominem attacks.

    Ridding oneself of all except the “true followers of the most righteous of all causes” is the left’s way. DU and KOS are like that.

    The nuclear option is for deadly enemies. There are plenty of those.

  59. blowhard, you seem to want to be a little intentionally obtuse.

    Did you miss the part where I wrote, “he’s called me worse as recently as 2 days ago…”

    At that point I WASN’T calling him a “fucking shithead”, but I was questioning his integrity.

    However, I often put things in strong terms, while I try to stay factual in my actual argument, and express my reasoning as well as I can. Patterico has a category on his blog for “scum” and has called people all sorts of things.

    Really, he’ll live. It pisses him off more that Jeff G. wrote that he thinks Patterico wasn’t being truthful about what he really thinks about Obama than it does that I called Patterico a cussword. If anything, Patterico will be bothered more that I think he lacks integrity, although naturally due to Jeff G.’s prominence and reputation, he’s more concerned about his posts.

    Make sense?

  60. “Which won’t be easy after polishing off a bottle of delicious Bray Vineyards wine all by my lonesome.”

    I find brandy and a good cigar to be very OUTLAW.

  61. thor
    tsvetaeva marina

    ya esm’
    ty budesh’
    mezhdu nami bezdna

    nw please-go hang yourself;]

  62. Christoph,

    Let’s step back a bit. You speak of Jeff’s prominence and reputation. You know how happened? Wacky writing, insight, a weird right hook way of getting to the truth.

    Missing from that list, being oddly antagonistic all the time about perceived slights.

    Take a breath.

  63. Time for Jeff to do another “Martha Stewart Chronicles in The Big House” type series, on The White House and The Lincoln Bedroom visitors. Ayers and Dohrn for the 4th of July could be a hoot: Potomac Fireworks. How about it Jeff? Book?

  64. I’m not seeking prominence, blowhard, if I was I would go about it differently. I seek to make certain points and advance certain things and I’ve had some successes and failures at both.

    I could explain using game theory how sometimes an “antagonistic” approach is helpful in that with crowd psychology… yet mostly I called Patterico that simply because I considered a good summation.

  65. “perceived slights” ?

    Least of my concerns. A person who ought to (and Jeff G. believes does) know better defending an evil man and a threat to all that I hold good and dear is a higher one.

  66. give a hoot
    read a book
    and root for your baby in the crawl off
    [ssshhh-it’s best to dope the otre babies milk]
    just saying
    what?- ur baby better than my baby?
    cuz that’s a throwdown!
    rattle
    keep laughing!
    nite-y’all

  67. Christoph

    You need to focus. Patterico isn’t the enemy. You are obsessing over him past the point of good sense.

    Read #60. That was right full to the top with good sense.

  68. “I could explain using game theory how sometimes an “antagonistic” approach is helpful in that with crowd psychology… yet mostly I called Patterico that simply because I considered a good summation.”

    Could you?

    Well, I did, as counter, over at AoS, weeks ago. Then Ric made a great point here at Jeff’s on the same topic a couple days ago.

    Got something new, something fresh?

    My point? It’s timeless. Don’t be dick if you don’t have to be. Dicks don’t make friends.

  69. “So the dude’s got a different opinion than Jeff.”

    I assure you I’m not criticizing Patterico out because he disagrees with Jeff. If Jeff had said the same crap (which he assuredly did not) I’d call him out on it.

  70. How very mature.

    It is no longer about Patterico redefining words to mean what he wants them to mean, it’s now come down to who is or is not calling Patterico an intellectually dishonest piece of work.

    Just in case ya hadn’t noticed, boys and girls, the two major parties in this nation don’t give a flip what you think…as long as you don’t become united under one narrative…as thinking, mature, adults.

  71. “Patterico isn’t the enemy.”

    You’re mistaken. Patterico gives cover to Barack Obama and as bad, redefines “good” in such a way as to take away the meaning from the word. People like Patterico defending Obama now, or Ed Morrissey cowardly (yes, cowardly) criticizing conservatives post-election (now that Obama’s ascending into power) for asking the same questions he did pre-election (when Obama was stoppable), are serious threats to opposing Barack Obama and what he intends.

    That’s precisely — precisely — why Jeff G. called both men out.

  72. I honestly can’t tell what the hell this is all about.

  73. If Obama is who he says he is we are all in for some serious problems.Maybe worse.

  74. Let me clarify, blowhard.

    Jeff may not accept my characterization of either man (just like I don’t accept his conclusion that Patterico really believes Obama is not a decent man, but knowingly lied to his readers)…

    However, it’s the danger that these “conservative” bloggers pose to the opposition to Barack Obama with their at a minimum fuzzy thinking that Jeff G. was challenging, with the caveat that with Patterico Jeff also objected to redefining the word good to the point of meaninglessness.

  75. Next time around, Obama will be judged on how America is doing.

    He’ll be, by far, the most experienced candidate running in 2012, the economy will be at or nearing a peak and our troops will be home from Iraq.

    Something to ponder.

  76. You’re mistaken. Patterico gives cover to Barack Obama and as bad, redefines “good” in such a way as to take away the meaning from the word.

    Christoph

    Fine. Rant away.

    You might give thought to how everyone gives wide berth to the crazy dude arguing with himself though.

  77. keep ur hands extended
    like a helicopter
    and twirl
    it’s much harder for them to throw a net around u

    think-“hard days night”

  78. another good strategy?
    just before
    the net descends
    or maybe at first appearance
    shit yourself
    stink don’t sell

  79. Christoph:

    Your inability to let things go prompts this recommendation from me:

    Get thee to a shrink’s office and get evaluated for Paranoid Personality Disorder or OCD or some such.

    Then let us know how that turns out. Unless you’re on some type of stimulant (street or scrip), in which case, come back and talk after you’ve come down a bit. You’re wearing us out.

  80. prettyy boy floyd
    #1-my shit don’t stink
    #2 oh shit! i said number 2-ca-ca
    poo-poo
    #3u think alot like me/kisses;]

  81. i just heard kevin bacon was in grease!
    oh man-i love bacon grease!
    and it don’t take no seperation harvard degrees
    to connect my bacon to
    anything on my plate
    cuz we all connected yolks
    english muff dives
    bagels fried in ovens
    yolks
    we just folks!

    the only come down reason
    would be-
    like a fruit season
    cuz i don’t like raisins in my bowl!
    [kernels are good-bowl wise-please tell my nurse that i was healthy]

  82. tax ur ass
    for the ethanol
    less kernel?
    [oh shit! poo jokes!]

  83. c’mon u bobby hull pussies?
    gordie howe
    HOwe Now BROwn cow?
    444
    punk!

  84. So this is the idealized fantasy scenario, snuffles?

  85. Just the most likely scenario, Pell.

    If Palin can put the election behind her, can’t her acolytes?

  86. Professor Bill Ayers
    Does bombings extraordinaire
    Ones that are and aren’t

  87. Not done nowadays
    You put Ho’s before the Bro’s
    Trouble comes indeed

  88. Bill Ayers is rubbing our nose in the fact that he and the O managed to lie and make it work. I don’t think it would have made any difference at any rate. The Obamabots were so blinded by the chance to be a part of “history” that Obama could have been shown to be a disciple of Hitler and they would have ignored the information.

  89. Number of liberals even slightly bothered by associating with radical black racists and Marxist terrorists?

    Still only 2.

    It must be lonely being Kaus and Camille Paglia.

  90. Oh.

    “…an Anti-War Activist”

    That’s ok then, right?

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  92. >>polishing off a bottle of delicious Bray Vineyards wine all by my lonesome.

  93. Lonesome Wino!

  94. Ayers will be the new Director of Patriotic Re-Education. I hope he visits us here in Camp #364 soon. It’s a little dark in here, and we need his light.

  95. FWLIW this
    >>Get thee to a shrink’s office and get evaluated for Paranoid Personality Disorder or OCD or some such
    is out of bounds, as it seems to me.

    Christoph isn’t ill. He’s at a particular stage [Stage V, re: Kohlberg] of ethical growth. These are the peculiarly strident folks, like irrational PETA pricks. They cannot abide hypocrisy and will not, themselves, engage in any slippery slope halfway measures.
    Stage V’s are always exasperating b/c they seek to erase any deviations from what they perceive as the Right Course for themselves and for others, but they clearly do have larger ethical premises than merely self-interest.

    Good news is, they do grow and become adaptable.

  96. Christoph,
    I find your views interesting and would like to receive your newsletter.

  97. Palin attended Wasalia Pentecostal for OVER 20 years. She got married there, had her kids baptized there.
    She dropped them like a hot potato when she got larger ambitions.
    Perhaps she IS speaking in tongues and that why she is so hard to unnerstand. lol.
    And she plans on faith healing the economy by laying on of hands?

  98. If Palin can put the election behind her, can’t her acolytes?

    You seem a tad confused. When we criticize Obama we’re talking about him. The guy who ran for president, throwing people under the bus left and right, denying associations, and promising hope and change. Notice how I didn’t mention Palin? It isn’t an “if/then” statement. As in, “If I criticize Obama, then I must be pining for Palin.” It’s, IF I criticize Obama, IT’S because I have issues with him.

    Got it?

  99. What you don’t get is that Wright neutralizes religious published exorcist Bobby Jindal’s run in 2016.
    Not just a man of any color can be President, but a man of any religion.
    I heard on CNN that 32% of YOUNG evangelicals voted for Obama.
    Obamagelicals.

  100. Perhaps she IS speaking in tongues and that why she is so hard to unnerstand. lol.

    I don’t think you’re the most qualified commenter to diss someone else for being difficult to understand, ifyouknowwhatimeanandithinkthatyoudo.

  101. NOT GOD BLESS AMERICA … GOD DAMN AMERICA …

    Now, someone go get me a mansion in an all- white suburb to live in.

  102. Pattericoisadouche.com is available.

  103. Pattericoisadouche.com is available.

    What about nishiisafuckingcunt.com?

  104. Probably, but it’s a .AA site.

  105. I heard on CNN that 32% of YOUNG evangelicals voted for Obama.

    CNN being the definitive expert on young evangelicals.

  106. I’m still wondering if laying hands on the economy would be more effective than handing out 700 billion to your secret friends thereby subverting the process and further destabilizing the markets

  107. All this stuff oozing out now can’t really surprise anyone. If the “I Blew the O! and sold hime drugs” guy showed up on 20/20 tonight with photos, what would come of it?

    Nothing. He done got hisself electified.

  108. Roland – all you have to do is watch (carefully) that video posted a few days ago of that fellow wearing a McCain shirt being arrested. Notice the screaming throng shouting “Obama.” Do you honestly think they would EVER find fault with him?

  109. Yeah seriously if you want to post endless crap and insults about Pat then go do it at his site or do it on your own. Honestly what does he have to do with the topic here anyway?

  110. O! could slit the throat of a 16 year old virgin and his followers wouldn’t find any fault with it. They would probably blame it on Bush.

  111. Hate to say it, but hopefully, Congress and the O will prosecute W and admin for ‘war crimes’ so that they’ll waste at least a year in BS that won’t affect us so much. We need that time to regroup and retake.

  112. Carin, he is the ONE TRUE O!

    He has no faults. His farts smell of rose petals and will calm the seas.

    HE will have a piss and your gas tank will fill with Sunnocco 103 O!ctane.

    Republicans will lie down with Democrats.

    UNBELIEVERS! You will be punished.

    So it is written, so it will pass.

  113. I wonder if all the ‘O’s will go missing from the White House keyboards.

  114. Naw. W will leave Michelle a fruit basket.

  115. HOnestly, idiots congratulated our country for the Peaceful transfer of power when Obama won. As if Republicans would take to the street and start burning shit.

    No, the danger is if O loses four years from now. That street scene in the youtube video scarred me. I don’t mean to overstate, but I had just watched “The Last King of Scotland.” Politics shouldn’t be that emotional. People make (really) stupid decisions when they are riding on emotion.

  116. Only emotion could explain people rationalizing attending a racist church for 20 years. I have friends I have talked to about it that try to label it a “distraction” whatever the hell that means. Even if they admit that they would hate on McCain or Clinton if they attended a white power church their mind just seems to glaze over and they say “well that is O!’s preacher not him, he doesn’t believe that stuff”. This Ayers stuff will just get filed away in the folder labeled ” stuff I will ignore in order to still blindly support a politician”. I witnessed the same thing during the Clinton years.

  117. My fear is that the Obama-blind-loyalty will make the Clinton stuff seem like small potatoes.

  118. What can anyone do about it Carin? I do not see a solution at all. I do know the proper response is not to think that by calling him a “good” man you can gain credibility with his followers in order to eke out some small concessions.

  119. >>My fear is that the Obama-blind-loyalty will make the Clinton stuff seem like small potatoes.

    Maybe. But its also possible he’ll be hated.

    He’s kinda walking a line with the AA community that overwhelmingly elected him. They clearly felt a [justified?] pride in having an AA ascend to the Presidency, but underneath that they presumably expect certain behaviors from him. Tribal affinity does not always outweigh self-interest.

    So, if in a perceived race-affecting situation, Obama chooses ‘wrong’, he then becomes open to charges like ‘not black enough’ all over again. And that can get ugly, fast. Maybe an ‘oreo’ is more hated than ‘just another ofay’, I dunno.

  120. I think the best thing to do is to give them no ammunition. We know the left has a tenuous grasp on rational thought, and are easily swayed by bumpersticker slogans. Using the word “fascist” seems to set them off. We need to make argument that we wish to be directed at them as hyperbole-free as possible.

    Now, don’t confuse me with those saying we need to play nice and call Obama a good man. I’m for saying nothing – but then no one’s exactly waiting with baited breath for my congratulatory post on Obama’s win.

    I’ve noticed that one can spell out a perfectly reasonable argument against one thing or another, but the thing the left will focus on will be the one line that could be interpreted to go over the line. Thus, like yesterday – in essays defending Obama’s work-core, they went to lengths explaining that it wasn’t “slavery” or “Marxism.”

  121. “Comment by urthshu on 11/14 @ 6:55 am #

    Naw. W will leave Michelle a fruit basket.”

    Al Gore will fit in a basket?

  122. Another possibility:
    With O’s election, AAs may understandably feel that they’re ascending, themselves, to their rightful place within American society and can finally get on an even playing field, establishing businesses, etc.

    [Nevermind the fact that AAs were the swiftest to rise to middle-class after the CW. They were fkd over by FDR and LBJ and its been downhill ever since]

    But what happens if they perceive that they’re just being used – still – as a political bargaining chip?

  123. I think you are putting too much thought into this urth. If you go by straight emotional attachment I think they will see any criticism as an assault on “their” guy. Hell look at what criticism of Clinton did to his AA support, it freakin raised it.

  124. urthshu – I can only speak from my experience as a Detroiter under black leadership for as long as I can remember. Black leaders are rarely held accountable by their black electorate. Media criticism is racist. The message is “don’t let WHITE people tell you what to think.”

    Detroit re-elected Kwame AFTER several scandals during his first administration. “He’s OUR boy” -the “our” was underlined in the posters. If he had been a white politician, he would have never survived after his first term, especially given that a very strong candidate ran against him. He was re-elcted because Kwame managed to paint the other candidate as the choice of suburbanites/ whites. The guy was black.

  125. Personally, I’m beginning to doubt Obama’s integrity. And his goodness.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That’s funny. Beginning to doubt, eh? After months and months of posts displaying your lamb-like trust for Obama…

    (lol)

  126. He’s kinda walking a line with the AA community that overwhelmingly elected him. They clearly felt a [justified?] pride in having an AA ascend to the Presidency, but underneath that they presumably expect certain behaviors from him. Tribal affinity does not always outweigh self-interest.

    First, I nitpick the word “tribal” in this context as racist. Sure, you could use it if we were talking about any other constituency, but honestly (and I’m being a tad serious) it is this kind of thing that sends alarm bells off.

    Regardless, I don’t think the past has played out in support of your argument. What tangible results would the AA community expect? I think merely being elected has been enough. Nothing more is to be expected.

  127. Oh, I understand that, Carin. Plus, one could look at Nagin or Marion Berry, its just a repeatable thing. I’m wondering about peeling off some support, is all.

    I mean, its not like the Repubs can go to the NAACP and say ‘what have they done to earn your vote’ anymore.

  128. >>First, I nitpick the word “tribal” in this context as racist.

    Honestly, I knew someone would. But its an appropriate term used for the context, as I would use the same for describing Repubs who only vote Repub, etc. It was, IOW, not meant that way.

  129. Oh yeah and OJ was innocent up until 3 days after he was convicted.

  130. I mean proven innocent. Damn I need some more coffee.

  131. You’re welcome to read Patterico’s entire post so you can take it in context. For my sake, I’m shedding buckets of respect for the man as he bends over backwards apologizing for Obama and trying to justify his defense of Obama’s “goodness”.

    I’ve said good things about Patterico in the past and the other day when he eventually explained why he was ignoring my criticism of him and didn’t respond to one substantive point, he said a couple nice things about me in the midst of his withering critism. I appreciate that.

    You know what? I don’t really give a flying fuck if Patterico exactly fits your template of consistency and righteousness, or if he’s a guy whose logic is a some pseudorandom function of time and convenience. It’s not worth anyone’s time to dissect Patterico’s worthiness as a…you name it; lawyer, human being, conservative, libertarian, I don’t really care. At all. It’s fucking boring. It passed fucking tedious boredom days ago.

    If you disagree, note your disagreement and move on, please. This kind of nonstop denunciation just reminds me of something; can’t quite recall what that is. Oh, maybe Amanda whatshername, or the firebitches.

    As much as I hate skimming over huge swatches of comments, this is the very thing that drives me to it.

  132. You can honestly relate this back to O!s church. Can you imagine anyone in that church voting Repub? Can you imagine anyone in that church not believing criticism of him is just an assault by those evil rich white guys? I can’t to be honest. Barry said that was a typical AA church, which I hope to God is not true. Those same people filling those pews would reelect Marion Barry in a landslide after he was on videotape snorting lines off a hookers ass. Put one of those idiots on an OJ jury and he would walk off a quadruple murder.

    I think trying to “reason” with them is a lost cause. I put the reason in quotes because there is arguments against my way of thinking not to belittle anyone elses. I am just saying there is no reason going into their reactions it seems like. When you are convinced that white folks greed is ruining the world then fuck the white man. Hell take the D and R off the ballot and just put W and B.

  133. The American people have now elected Obama based on his lies, and some of them WILL die because of it. Mark my words.

    This is manifestly untrue. No one is going to die because of the lie; they’re going to die, if anyone dies at all, because of something that happened after the lie.

    Which may have made Obama making it to the WH possible at all, but I think Obama could have gotten himself elected without it. It might have been closer, but I think he still would have won. Partially because the guy can talk himself out of quite a lot.

    See? And we needed a smart guy in the Oval Office, for a Change.

    Shorter me: don’t buy trouble, and try not to overreact by a couple orders of magnitude. It tends to lose people who might otherwise take you seriously.

  134. >>First, I nitpick the word “tribal” in this context as racist.

    Honestly, I knew someone would. But its an appropriate term used for the context, as I would use the same for describing Repubs who only vote Repub, etc. It was, IOW, not meant that way.

    It is appropriate. But, what isn’t appropriate at this time is to allow ourselves to be diverted. We can fight the good fight regarding language in another post. But, in regards to black loyalty to black politicians, we need to make sure we stay focused on the message and not allow ourselves to sidetracked.

  135. >>First, I nitpick the word “tribal” in this context as racist.

    Honestly, I knew someone would. But its an appropriate term used for the context, as I would use the same for describing Repubs who only vote Repub, etc. It was, IOW, not meant that way.

    It is appropriate. But, what isn’t appropriate at this time is to allow ourselves to be diverted. We can fight the good fight regarding language in another post. But, in regards to black loyalty to black politicians, we need to make sure we stay focused on the message and not allow
    ourselves to sidetracked.

  136. Stupid internets.

  137. Carin upthread:
    urthshu – I can only speak from my experience as a Detroiter under black leadership for as long as I can remember. Black leaders are rarely held accountable by their black electorate. Media criticism is racist. The message is “don’t let WHITE people tell you what to think.”

    Here in Mwaukee, they reelected a guy to the city council while he sat in jail, charged with bribery, racketeering, etc. Hell what about “Refrigerator” Jefferson?

    Nothing that comes out about the O! will make a bit of difference.

  138. >>I think trying to “reason” with them is a lost cause.

    And I think at that point you’ve ceded the field and given up to a caricature. I’m not, and never was, speaking about the ideologically blinkered, but about those who would be, and will become, persuadable based on whatever happens in the next 4 years. Give our AA fellow citizens some credit.

  139. I wasn’t speaking about every AA, just those that attend churches like the Saint Obama. You know the people in those videos jumping around yelling when Wright would let lose with such fabulous zingers as “Whitey invented AIDS to kill brown people”. I mean who would not hear that and start jumping around clapping and laughing? That is freakin hilarious if you ask me.

  140. I will further note that city politics are not national. Detroit is majority-black, and the campaign described was ‘who is more authentically black’.

    I, OTOH, initially wondered what happens if O is perceived as ‘not black enough’? And, of course, the nation is not majority-black besides.

  141. By the way when Marion Barry and Jefferson win in landslides I would think their credit ranking would go in the shitter. I think you are giving too much credit. Totally IMHO by the way. Shit Murtha calls his own constituents redneck racists and gets reelected. Coming up with a rational explainable reason for any of that is impossible.

  142. >>“Whitey invented AIDS to kill brown people”.

    Obama will supply the anti-virus in a trice, then.

  143. Urthshu – I just don’t think that is going to happen with Obama. Being inauthentically black only applies to Republicans. The issue won’t come up. He’s got P-diddy calling him his home-boy.

  144. I was just thinking about something, maybe I’m just being stupid ..
    When all the published accounts say Obama won 97% or whatever of the black vote, how per chance do they know?
    Hopefully they aren’t using that dreadful polling. The only other way I can imagine is using results from precincts along with census data?

  145. I agree Carin.

  146. I, OTOH, initially wondered what happens if O is perceived as ‘not black enough’?

    More than none is plenty. Ain’t gonna happen.

  147. I, OTOH, initially wondered what happens if O is perceived as ‘not black enough’?

    Democrats invented the “one drop rule”; they’ll stick with it.

  148. Obama lied, people died?

  149. Bundt cakes are all about the O!

    But that’s gay.

  150. Delurking.

    Morning routine: Insty, Ace of Spades, Rachel Lucas, Protein Wisdom. In that order.

    Why? Because I save the best for last. Best writing. Best insights. Best commenting. Best trolls. (Even those trolls who are to narcissistic to realize they’re trolling – *cough**Christoph**cough*.)

  151. OK, we’ll see how it goes. I’ll just note that we, as Republicans seeking to govern the whole of the people, cannot just give up an entire people b/c we see it as ‘hopeless’. I will continue to look for points of persuasion and a means to crack the facade, one vote at a time.

  152. i dunno. I never believed a word he said about not being close to Ayers.
    Nor should anyone have. He is a politician and a ruthless one at that–willing to lie and cheat to get what he wants. Which makes him a very similar creature to every other politician, regardless of affiliation.

    the American people were sort of put in a bind with the economy collapsing (I use that word, and not “contracting,” which is entirely normal and has beneficial long-term effects) coupled with the fact that we are in two wars that are far from favorably resolved.

    Seen this way, dwelling on some personal association with a scumbag from the 60s wasn’t difficult or going to some dipshit church didn’t factor in.

    Obama kicked our ass and obsessing morbidly on this stuff doesnt get us back to federal relevance, which I hasten to add, we have precisely little of right now.

  153. >>Obama kicked our ass and obsessing morbidly on this stuff doesnt get us back to federal relevance

    You’re very right about that. Currently, our only power base left is our Governors, who really should start asserting themselves, starting with recapturing control of their Nat’l Guard elements, IMHO. Their going to need them for challenging jurisdictions if O gets his ‘civilian national defense’ army.

  154. Except it really is slavery, and definitely inspired by Marxist ideology.

  155. Honestly, there are so many layers of bullshit in American politics regarding race … Bush hates black people, yada yada yada.

    I get so sick of it. There can be no honest discussions regarding race and politics until there is some honesty.

  156. And the “lost years” probably include them some coffee and muffins with Ayers, too.

  157. Jeez. Their = They’re

  158. Urg, I didn’t sleep last night. I meant to say this O fellow looks to be a stand-up chap.

  159. The denialism reminds me of Ramachandran’s experiments with anosognosia patients

  160. Coffee and muffins w/Ayers is good practice for diplomacy with Iran and NK

  161. But, Sarah, concentrating on that aspect of the argument does little to engage (the left) in rational discussion about it. You can’t get “there” from here w/o taking them by little baby-steps.

    That is my point.

  162. He should’ve prob’ly just said that, you know? “I’ve been talking with terrorists my whole life! Of course I’m experienced!”

  163. What we’re seeing, now, is how far the collective standards of Democrats can flex. Anyone remember how Bush lied about his TANG records, and what a tewwible thing that was? Or about who Bush’s business associates were, and how foreboding all of that was?

    Who says we’re not flexible?

  164. …which is not to say that Bush actually lied about his TANG service, but that’s another discussion altogether.

  165. Seen this way, dwelling on some personal association with a scumbag from the 60s wasn’t difficult or going to some dipshit church didn’t factor in.

    All the liberal and moderate folks not bothered by associations — they’re like a friend who’s in love with a great-looking bitch — they don’t want to hear about who she’s been with.

    Not that we shouldn’t keep the “associations” in play — I’ve planted seeds in liberal friends who listen only to NPR and Jim Liar (“Dude, ask to see her jewelry collection. And check out the engravings on each one.”)– but I think overall we’ll do better on “poli-ceh” arguments.

  166. …I mean, can you envision Dan Rather, obviously forged fax in hand, doing his 60 Minutes comeback by running a September Surprise expose on Obama? I know I can’t.

  167. Lately, I’ve been thinking that Bush and Rove knew all along that Obama was being groomed for the 2008 election, and that they knew all about the dark, corrupt players busily primping his image, from Khalidi to Ayers to the NYT’s Sulzberger to the Reverend Wright. Taken together, they make for quite a noticeable team.

    And, if Bush knew all this then it makes even more sense for Bush to have invaded Iraq. Here’s why. 1. the invasion draws out Obama’s tendency to “speak for” and protect radical, Nasserite Arab interests (which, incidently, contrast starkly with those of liberal democracies). 2. the invasion monopolized the US treasury’s reserves, greatly limiting the potential growth of government under Chicago’s Marxists, and 3. if Waxman and Durban want to prosecute Bush and his cabinet for the invasion, see number one, above: Americas litigating legislators will be seen to be carrying the Nasserite’s and Baathists’ water for them. Which should pose some moral conflict for those who believe in democracy, especially “Democrats.”

    (Note: the ties between the Baathists and Europe’s Nazis will be relevant in any of the Democrats’ “Crimes Against Humanity” trials. Siding with Araby’s Nazis may effect the American Jewish vote for “Democratics” down the line.)

    Now, if Bush hadn’t invaded Iraq, none of these obstacles to the Chicago Machine’s unfettered rule would exist.

    It’s no wonder Obama’s acolytes, from Germany’s Gerhard Schroeder (now working for Putin’s Gazprom) to France’s Jacques Chirac, fought the invasion so adamantly in their offices, in the media and on the streets. Is it that they, too, knew of Obama’s pending candidacy, and that the damage caused by Bush’s invasion to their global pet-projects would be high?

    As the media’s pro-Obama electioneering and cover-up fades into today’s post-election din, it’s all coming together for me. And, if the media falters in its obfuscation for even one moment, then, the rest of the country will “get it” soon, too.

    The Red Queens in the media had better keep up the Obama-Boogy. They can’t leave the dance-floor to even take a potty break. They’ve got to keep crafting O’s impression for us, or O’s mask will slip fatally.

  168. “Except it really is slavery, and definitely inspired by Marxist ideology.”

    At a tactical level, the explicit denial of same is 99/1 merely a Marxist tactic. It’ll be baaaack in full force, later, maybe coming in “little baby steps”.

  169. Please say that you’re kidding, steve.

  170. Seen this way, dwelling on some personal association with a scumbag from the 60s wasn’t difficult or going to some dipshit church didn’t factor in.

    Yeah, who the fuck cares if he’s a partner with a man who planned to murder American servicemen, or that he’s either a racist himself or willing to tolerate open racism for political opportunity?

    Of course, mcgruder’s a member of our esteemed press. Which not only failed to dig into those associations, but also treated them even more cavalierly than mcgruder.

    But, hot damn we knew about Palin’s tanning bed and Joe the Plumber’s tax lien!

  171. you know it strikes me that for all his reconcilaition talk with Europe, and the happy horeshittery of “Change,” the naked fact of the matter is that Obama is in for the rudest awkening ever.

    The world is a crappy, nasty place full of people who aren’t at all shy about pursuing their agendas way past the borders of self-interest.

    ALl his Kos fan-boys are going to learn double quick that the Dept of Peace and a just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian problem are the stuff of their beer-soaked dreams.

    Like all Dem POTUS’, he will learn that speaking or walking softly is nice and such, but you always need a big stick.

  172. Yeah, steveaz, that’s just nuts. The expected Democrat nominee was Hillary.

  173. Personally, I’m beginning to doubt Obama’s integrity. And his goodness.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That’s funny. Beginning to doubt, eh? After months and months of posts displaying your lamb-like trust for Obama…

    (lol)

    Lisa evidently missed the pointed litotes and tongue planted firmly in cheek. Not to mention the intertextual matrix and context provided over the last week of conservative infighting.

    Makes me sad to point it out, given that it has her LOLing.

  174. Yeah, steveaz, that’s just nuts. The expected Democrat nominee was Hillary.

    More to my point, the decision to plan the Iraq invasion was made in 2002, long before Obama was even a glimmer in the US Senate’s eye.

  175. …of course, his ability to exclude all the other candidates from the ballot, demonstrated back in 1996, may just have made him an instant candidate for countering the evil, hamfisted Republican disenfranchisement campaign.

    Flexible, you see.

  176. Anything you can do, we can do better!

  177. Funny this douchebag is now all on Good Morning America when he seemed so “unavailable for comment” pre election.

    Prize for biggest ommission of the press in all the post election interviews of Ayers was the failure to ask this pathetic piece of garbage the most obvious question “Did Obama or his campaign advise you not to talk to the press prior to the election?”

  178. See, Jeff? Now we’re getting some OutLOLs.

  179. Makes me sad to point it out, given that it has her LOLing.

    Lisa just really digs JG, that’s all.

  180. There’s worse things than LOLs, Dan. Like the end of that Journey song where they just sing na about 186 times. Think of how that crippled our entire culture for, like, decades.

  181. .”.Concentrating on that aspect of the argument does little to engage (the left) in rational discussion about it. You can’t get “there” from here w/o taking them by little baby-steps.”

    I can’t pretend to say I know that’s wrong. But I wonder. The selection of the more extreme labels to resist is intriguing.

    O voters are operating on certain assumptions, but I think that anomalous information lurks within. On some level they know. The anomalous information needs to reach a certain threshold before it can tip the parts that resists it. Perhaps steady refusal to play the game is a better plan.

    I’m just mulling it over.

  182. “But, Sarah, concentrating on that aspect of the argument does little to engage (the left) in rational discussion about it. You can’t get “there” from here w/o taking them by little baby-steps.”

    We probably have different definitions in mind of the Left. Who I see as Leftists cannot be reasoned out of their position as they were never reasoned into it.

    They are who I referred to in my #60 as implacable enemies. To me they can only be dealt with, in words, by making sport of them in ways that cause them to explode and reveal the fact that all their “reason” is nothing of the kind.

    In the physical universe they must be physically resisted but we haven’t gotten to that point yet. It’s still a word based political fight.

  183. Lisa is just a female version of thor without the direct insults. The Loling was probably at all of us for her perception that we all looked at this and said “oh that’s the final straw now I can not support Obama”.

  184. RC, pull it in, alright?
    I’m an investigative reporter specializing in financial fraud and don’t cover the electroal stuff.

    Yes the media punted for Obama, but you and McCain and anyone else who isn’t a moron knew that was going to happen going in.

    Sorry about McCain RC, really. I voted for the guy. But about 53% of my countrymen said, “Hey, we’re teetering on the edge of a depression and it’s a shove as to whether we are losing two wars simultaenously, or just one. So, center-right sympathies aside, I’m going for the guy whose party didn’t put me here.”

    You have a problem with that.

    Everything we read here is CONFIRMATION of what was already pretty well understood…that Obama belonged to a “mainstream” black church with some really ugly undertones (which brings us to white-black belief systems, but that’s another day)…that Ayres and he were pretty close at a point, although like a true scumbag pol, Obama dropped him like free beer the minute the heat got ratcheted up.

    all “known knowns” as Rummy would have said.

    But our countrymen decided that a change in leadership was justified, and wiped us out, root and branch.

    Me–I see this as an opportunity to build a better, more serious conservative movement. I’ll call this a signal.

    You–you argue that Obama is a loathsome scumbag and give every indication of willing to harp on this for 4 more years, despite the discount the electorate assigned to these facts. Lets call this noise.

    So that’s where we stand.

    From 1992-1996 the GOP focused on Bill and Hillary’s past associations and foibles and lost the race, running Dole, a highly respected insider. From 1996-2000 they focused on finding a new fresh voice, with a new idea set and a new slogan, “compassionate conservatism,” and won, despite overwhelming odds against GWB.

    So it all boils down to signals versus noise is my point.

  185. Think of how that crippled our entire culture for, like, decades.

    And then look at all the bad things that happened after that: the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, and Iraq and Iran killed off a good chunk of each other. A bit later, the Rwanda thing happened, and the bad things in Somalia. Cause and effect, man. All because of that one fucking Journey song.

  186. “But, Sarah, concentrating on that aspect of the argument does little to engage (the left) in rational discussion about it. You can’t get “there” from here w/o taking them by little baby-steps.”

    I disagree. To draw an analogy there was no “convincing” some people that OJ was innocent during the trial. I mean you could have found video tape of the murder and they would have said it was planted. Months after the trial though they would admit yeah he was probably guilty and now that is the overwhelming consensus. Suddenly everyone says he murdered his ex-wife. There will be no baby-steps until after O! leaves office so why try now? Seems like a waste of time to me because these people are not operating on rationality. I think we would have more luck trying to convince someone to not believe in God.

  187. Rob, Obama’s political rise and the shock-troops he gathered around him were not invisible in 2000.

    Don’t forget, this is the same Chicago crowd that litigated Election 2000. Remember?

    These guys put themselves unabashedly onto our Nation’s radar screens in Winter 2000-2001, and, in doing so, they earned a comfy, safe cocoon within the Democrat(ic) Party – Hillary’s Party – after that.

    Also, I don’t see much difference between Hillary and Obama. There isn’t any, really. Both play to transnational Leftism, and both work in tandem to undermine the capitalist economy of our Republic. And both (like most Muslims) don’t like puppy dogs.

    You can try to convince me otherwise, but ’till then, no, I don’t think it’s “nuts” to contemplate that the GOP might have it’s finger on the pulse of the Left’s various global movements (even the terroristic ones in our prominent, political cities) and that Republicans might fit these observations into its wider, global geopolitical moves. Not nuts at all.

    Bush was clairvoyant in choosing to invade Iraq. And this case will be for me when or if the Democrat(ic)s tap Waxman and AG Gorelick to prosecute Bush’s administration for invading.

  188. Lisa is just a female version of thor without the direct insults.

    Not that I care, but it wouldn’t surprise me if “Lisa” is not even a female.

  189. The “loss” of folks like Michele is telling, Sarah. Now, I know she was always, except for a brief period, a liberal. But during that period she made some pretty darn reasonable, rational arguments.

    And now we get Hope and Change articles from her. We get her writing an article that debates with the most extreme (straw-man) arguments from “our” side.

    I’d prefer if she made more reasoned points supporting her guy. Arguments such as “yes, if he implements it that way, it is questionable, but if he implements it this other way …” yada yada.

    I suppose what I’m suggesting is that by making incendiary statements, even if that is just the smallest portion of your argument, is too distracting for the other side.

  190. I would’ve liked to have seen Chris Cuomo ask Bill Ayers about the CAC project, and if President-elect Obama agreed with his views and goals on education of that project, and why it was a failure.

  191. Steveaz can I have your thoughts on 911? I think they would be enlightening.

  192. There will be no baby-steps until after O! leaves office so why try now? Seems like a waste of time to me because these people are not operating on rationality.

    Yes, but a lot of them are running from rationality/reality. And they know it. We shouldn’t let them rest.

  193. If I seem to be spouting crazy shit today, well, it seems to be the day for it.

  194. Funny to see the media do a whitewash of Ayers while doing its best to keep every smear of Palin out there with no debunking at all. I guess when your goal is to defeat Republicans at all cost then integrity matters none.

  195. “The selection of the more extreme labels to resist is intriguing.”

    I should write what I mean more clearly. The choice of Michele, for example to scoff at “slavery” and “Marxism” instead of a positive essay in favor of adoption of community service, intrigues me. I think she is a little like the patient with a non-functioning left arm asked about a task earlier failed:

    “Did you do it [tie the shoelaces of a child’s shoe handed to the patient]?”

    “oh yes, I successfully tied it with both my hands”

    or another paralysis denial patient who announced during examination “I can’t wait to get back to two-fisted drinking”.
    ——–
    Is not the very vehemence of her protest itself a betrayal of guilt?

  196. Granted, there are large swaths of liberals who are unreachable. I’m not referring to them.

  197. Oh, what the hell.

    Don’t forget, this is the same Chicago crowd that litigated Election 2000. Remember?

    No. Why don’t you refresh my memory?

  198. And if 197 is unfair to Michele, what is fair is noticing the reset she has done on the meaning of “slavery” and “Marxist”.
    Which may be done honestly in perfect or partial ignorance of history attached to those words – in fact, I think she demonstrated, on the one subject, a shallow understanding.

    She’s glossing over, and minimizing. Why?

  199. O’s major mojo has always eluded me, even when I had no idea who he was and was curious about whether I would support him in lieu of the dreadful-to-me McCain.

  200. Is not the very vehemence of her protest itself a betrayal of guilt?

    Ja! But the stroke patients are different: they have absolutely no idea that they are denying anything.

  201. I don’t see why he’s worth sticking up for so hard.

  202. (FWIW, there is an interesting experiment done – pouring could water in the ear – where the denial goes completely away. And even stranger, the former denials are often denied.)

    The stroke patients might shed some light on how denial in normally operating people maintain and protect their conscious narratives, though their situation is extreme.

  203. I don’t see why he’s worth sticking up for so hard.

    Because he’s half-white, of course. /half-kidding

  204. Hmmm, a whole sentence for post 204 just disappeared into the ether.

    It had said something link : of course the stroke patients are dealing with serious neurological deficits. And yet it appears there is still someone inside who “knows” what is going on, on some level.

  205. “something like.”

    I need some fricking ambien.

  206. Why did people defend OJ after he MURDERED two people? There is no reasoning with this.

    PS. I am not comparing O! to OJ in any sense other than the fanatical devotion to a certain narrative.

  207. The stroke patients might shed some light on how denial in normally operating people maintain and protect their conscious narratives, though their situation is extreme.

    Yeah, but I’m not going to hold my breath, so to speak – probably because meshing a physical defect with an intentional one is too difficult a concept for me right now.

  208. Sorry about McCain RC, really. I voted for the guy. But about 53% of my countrymen said, “Hey, we’re teetering on the edge of a depression and it’s a shove as to whether we are losing two wars simultaenously, or just one. So, center-right sympathies aside, I’m going for the guy whose party didn’t put me here.”

    As someone who specializes in reporting about financial fraud, what did you do to counter the lie that Republicans are to blame for the financial mess?

    You–you argue that Obama is a loathsome scumbag and give every indication of willing to harp on this for 4 more years, despite the discount the electorate assigned to these facts.

    Did they discount it? Or were they just not informed of the facts and their implications?

    Again, we knew of Joe the Plumber’s past membership in the Natural Law Party and Todd Palin’s membership in the Alaska Independence Party before we knew about Obama’s membership in the New Party. There was a complete failure of the press to do what they claim is their job — you can blame Republicans for that all you want, but there was damned little they could do about that. We had a press that was willing to publish “fact checks” that were simply restatements of the lies Democrats had faxed them.

    Yeah, McCain fucked up, over and over. But when he can state an absolute truth and the press immediately declares it a lie, what can he do? When his opponent lies and the press treats it as the truth, what can he do?

    I think anyone in the press who isn’t doing his best to expose the corruption of the press and the (possibly fatal) damage the O! campaign has done to our system of elections is as much a part of the problem as “Doodad Pro”. You clearly think it’s time to just move on, let the wounds fester, and hope we can put a pretty bandage on them later. Maybe even tug at the edges of the wounds a bit more to see if we can play at the same game, eh?

  209. the part about dropping the free beer puzzles me

  210. No need for neuropsych, Sarah

  211. Given the history, and understandably so, it’s very easy to write off any and all accusations of shady behavior or wrong doing as having been manufactured by ‘whitey’ just to hold the brother down.

  212. Peden, I wish the top sentence hadn’t been lopped off my 204 post by mysterious forces like maybe the delete key,
    The coping mechanism is the parallel. The little zombie within that knows, when denial is working in force, either because of neurological injury in the case of a stroke patient with a right parietal lesion , or when it is just working normally and not over-ridden by the normally funtioning “discrepancy detector” of someone like Michele.

  213. you argue that Obama is a loathsome scumbag and give every indication of willing to harp on this for 4 more years

    Didn’t take too long for you to start repeating that ODS meme, wot?

  214. PInk,
    My thoughts on 9/11 are in flux these days.

    A lot will depend on how hard Arafat’s man in the Oval Office pushes for a Bush conviction.

    If Obama focuses his AG’s efforts on litigating congressional corruption or penalizing welfare fraud, instead of litigating “Bush’s War,” then Obama’s own ties to terrorists, both domestic and foreign, will lose my interest.

    Conversely, if he chooses to criminalize Bush’s conduct in the Global War on Terror, it’ll certainly generate interest to O’s Nasserite ties.

    Stayin’ tuned.

  215. It’s at least going to be interesting.

    The Left/Press have campaigned this entire election on the basis of there being no content to the office of the Presidency — it’s just a prize, an overelaborated Super Bowl trophy. The team that puts their man in the White House wins, and all the players get rings with lots of bling on, and nothing happens after that that matters.

    I’ve been saying for some time now that the true content of “conservatism” is doing what works. What has worked in the past can generally be expected to work in the future, so should be favored, and what has not worked in the past should be deprecated. (This doesn’t mean that experimentation or “change” is forbidden, but it does mean it should be done cautiously.)

    What we should do, in future, is carp viciously when things don’t work. There will be plenty of opportunity, and I reckon that four years of “he’s black, he ain’t supposed to be competent” will wear pretty thin.

    Regards,
    Ric

  216. Peden……

    Hey, I’m not going to deny the possibility of their being some relation. I’m just still suspicious of the model. Anyway, thanks – as I said above, I haven’t really gotten into the issue enough, as yet.

  217. What is the key to tripping that discrepancy detector into challenging that portion of the brain which orders infromation into stable and internally consistent belief systems (which Ramachandran suggests is mainly done by the left hemisphere.)

    He writes:

    “…suppose something comes along that does not quite fit the plot. What do you do? One option is to tear up the entire script and start from scratch: completely revise your story to create a new model about the world and yourself. The problem is that if you did this for every little piece of threatening information, your behaviour would son become chaotic and unstable; you would go mad.

    What your left hemisphere does instead is either ignore the anomaly completely ordistort it to squeeze into your pre-existing framework, to preserve stability. And this I suggest, is the essential rationale behind the so-called Freudian defenses – the denials repressions, confabulations and other forms of self-delusion that govern our daily lives…”

  218. How does one overcome? With baby steps and gentle simmering, as Carin proposes…or by more in-your-facedness? Or some other way of breaking through?

  219. With baby steps and gentle simmering, as Carin proposes…or by more in-your-facedness? Or some other way of breaking through?

    My baby steps and gentle simmering, though, is a battle that NEVER lets up. Never relents. Never lets things pass unchallenged. It simple does so with careful deliberation, and absent angry hyperbole.

    Regular anger is ok, though. And, we’re free to make fun of, and generally mock. But, calling Obama’s volunteer scheme “slavery” (before the details are even revealed) is a bit much. Include an “if/then” with your slavery charge, and I’m ok with it.

  220. See, I’m just not inclined to indulge Michele’s limited understanding of the issues she chooses to expound on, but I do think much of WHY she is doing it. Because I wonder if that’s the key to breaking through. Or is it just calm correction of funny ideas she has got in her head? Fisk FIsk Fisk.

    Michele’s a good writer, and a from-the-gut take that yields some interesting observations and discourse among her friends. I wouldn’t toss her overboard or assign nefarious motives to her. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t make big mistakes. She seems like a person who could be directly confronted.

  221. How does one overcome?

    Trauma, I think, Sarah. Or as you put it, in-your-facedness, though in your face implies too much another (semi-allied) human actor like a political opponent fellow citizen, whereas the trauma I’m thinking of must be more “real-worldish” like jets flying into buildings on clear-sky days.

  222. Carin – one offside remark about calling it “slavery” – One of my beefs with Michele’s implicit narrowing of the definition of slavery to include only some notion of black slavery in the US prior to emancipation. She defines the word in a way that may be her common understanding of it, but which is nevertheless incomplete. Actually, flat wrong.

    It is slavery, because slavery is something other than what she defined. Her attempts to distinguish between slavery, as it really is, and government conscripted community service required to get a dilploma despite the lack of direct connection to stay, the study of stars or bugs or English or French, only work if you agree to define slavery as she does.

  223. You know what? I don’t really give a flying fuck if Patterico exactly fits your template of consistency and righteousness, or if he’s a guy whose logic is a some pseudorandom function of time and convenience. It’s not worth anyone’s time to dissect Patterico’s worthiness as a…you name it; lawyer, human being, conservative, libertarian, I don’t really care. At all. It’s fucking boring. It passed fucking tedious boredom days ago.

    If you disagree, note your disagreement and move on, please. This kind of nonstop denunciation just reminds me of something; can’t quite recall what that is. Oh, maybe Amanda whatshername, or the firebitches.

    As much as I hate skimming over huge swatches of comments, this is the very thing that drives me to it.

    Hear fuckin hear.

  224. A forced re-ordering of one’s ordinary schema in order to adequately cope with facts heretofore unaccounted for requires the ugly facts in the first place.

  225. So long as the “facts” remain hypothetical, so long may they the more easily be dismissed.

  226. Strongly coursing adrenalin due to immediate danger has a way of waking up a sleeping system builder in order to escape to live another day.

  227. I am not sure what sdferr just said, but I think I agree with it.

    Sugartits – How are you, Komrade?

  228. Which is why the “world view” of combat survivors with regard to their fellow human beings is so often clearsighted and thorough going. They refuse to play “political” games with the world, because they can’t afford to, it can get them killed.

  229. I honestly can’t tell what the hell this is all about.

    Ideological purity.

    It is great to see that the Great Quest for the True Believer is non-partisan. I was bored when we libs embarked on this quest in 2000 and 2004. I am mostly bored now that the other side has taken up the cause. But the Obama-noia is great though. I predict that within six months the Perf will be more paranoid than Alex Jones (and may have developed a theory explaining how Ayers funneled the Iraqi WMD to Chicago where Obama has been hiding them since 2003).

  230. JDizzle! Happy Friday, ya sexgod.

  231. sexgod – I thought that was our secret … too late now .

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  233. #217:

    …I reckon that four years of “he’s black, he ain’t supposed to be competent” will wear pretty thin.

    Whoah, whoah, WHOAH there, horsey…where did anyone around here question O!‘s competence because of race?

  234. Why did people defend OJ after he MURDERED two people? There is no reasoning with this.

    I actually had a conversation with someone who was irritated at my certainty that OJ is guilty of murder. I just laughed. But then they sputtered: “Okay, I think he ordered the hit, but he didn’t DO it!” as if coldbloodedly ordering someone else to murder your ex-wife and whoever happens to be visiting her at the time is actually better than doing it yourself.

    You are correct, OJ seems to suck the IQ right out of people.

  235. OJ seems to suck the IQ right out of people. Kind of like Baracky, without the heads getting lopped off.

  236. sexgod – I thought that was our secret … too late now.

    As long as the missus doesn’t find out. I heard she is handy with a rifle.

  237. OJ seems to suck the IQ right out of people

    The corollary of that is: just about every culture has its OJ IQ-sucking equivalent. Frex: Vince Foster mania!

  238. Follow the thread, Seth. It’s the soft bigotry of low expectations. You know, like when the vice president elect was enamored by how “articulate” and “clean” O! was? Point being is they didn’t really run on his accomplishments or ideas. But “hope” and “change” were legion. I wonder why that was?

  239. 231 – see, there’s that attempt at deflection of rational criticism again.

  240. OJ seems to suck the IQ right out of people

    I think this is pretty much right, except that it isn’t OJ as OJ, but OJ as a placeholder for the pernicious concept of race.

  241. Sugartits – She can be, but M 700 APR only has a good range out to about 1.2 miles, so you should be safe.

  242. Kind of like Baracky, without the heads getting lopped off.

    That just cost you one day of rations.

    Comrade S.T.
    Department of Gruel Distribution

  243. Deflection sure Sarah but no problems. The topic is still too hypothetical, no chickens home to roost, so to speak. Look at Patterico this morning insisting on “DIRE”. It is to laugh.

  244. Seems to me that the folks here aren’t questioning his competence because of race, but rather because he seems to be questioning his competence because he seems to be rather an empty suit. If there’s racism involved, ascribe it to the identity politics of the left that advances such a candidate with a thin resume based on image, style and little else. I don’t think he’s incompetant because he’s black, I think he’s incompetant because he lacks accomplishment.

    I thought I was following the thread…but it’s possible that I’m slower than the other kids.

  245. 231 – see, there’s that attempt at deflection of rational criticism again.

    I don’t consider it rational. But that is just my opinion.

  246. Who the fuck can pre-tell the interlocking gears of a march to world war, for instance. No-one. And yet such marches take place, have taken place as we have seen, many times before. No-one has the time or inclination to pay enough attention and even among those few who do, there are many voices, many interpretations of the signs, many answers among which to choose, in short, not enough information, not enough certainty to cause large numbers of people to say STOP!, don’t go there! And then people die. But it was never certain.

  247. Sugartits – She can be, but M 700 APR only has a good range out to about 1.2 miles, so you should be safe.

    Phew.

  248. Wow I really mangled that second sentence.

  249. Well, hold on Lisa, you’re not out of the woods yet, as I’m sure she can find her way to an airport and hail a cab or rent a car.

  250. Seth – Our moral betters cannot distinguish between us questioning his competence because of a complete lack of experience and track record of success at anything other than winning the next election, and us questioning his competency because of his race. They cannot imagine the former, therefore assume the latter.

  251. Sdferr – She is more of the “lay in wait” type.

  252. JD: Exactly. And I’ll point it out every time.

    I don’t go for that Alinsky BS.

  253. Oh, so not a stalker then. Good thing for Lisa, I guess, as long as Lisa can keep tabs on better-half’s proximate location.

  254. And not venture into it herself, I should have added.

  255. Plus, the APR has a pretty incredible kick, and Better Half is not too fond of that. Plus, she is Asian, and we all know that they prefer to do their work up close and personal with some Vietnamese Death Touch or the Kung Fu Akido Muy Thai Clinch of Death.

  256. I already denounced myself, just in case.

  257. Seth (#235) and OI (#240): No, it’s worse than that.

    Question his past associations? He’s black so that’s racist.
    Question his experience? He’s black so that’s racist.
    Question his competence? He’s black so that’s racist.
    Question anything about Barack (Halleluja! Hallelujah! The Messiah and Savior of Personkind) Obama? He’s black so that’s racist.

    So in future, when he screws up (as anybody would in that office, at least from time to time) we can confidently predict that anybody pointing out the screwup will be met with He’s black so that’s racist. It’s an all-purpose defense, sufficing against any attack.

    This accomplishes two things: It reduces “racism” to “Questions Barack (Whose Name Be Praised as Dear and Glorious Leader) Obama”; and it eliminates all possible defenses to “He’s black, so he’s expected to screw up.” As I say, even for Lisa I reckon that will wear thin after a bit.

    Regards,
    Ric

  258. I already denounced myself

    Cite? Sub-rosa denouncements won’t do. ;-)

  259. You look to be pretty fast to me, Seth.

  260. Ric: proof that I am slower than the other kids. Here I thought you were suggesting that we were engaging in that…turns out you were anticipating the left’s charges of us saying that.

    Imagine my embarassment, and thanks for ‘splainin.

  261. Sdferr – I included myself in the prior collective and ongoing denunciations and dondemnations of all of you racist twits. ;-)

  262. Carin – one offside remark about calling it “slavery” – One of my beefs with Michele’s implicit narrowing of the definition of slavery to include only some notion of black slavery in the US prior to emancipation. She defines the word in a way that may be her common understanding of it, but which is nevertheless incomplete. Actually, flat wrong.

    She may be incomplete about her assessment of slavery, but that doesn’t address the fact that she focused her attack on the idea that Obama’s plan was “slavery” versus an argument that was a tad more serious. She just went wacking at the weakest argument. It is weak, at this point, because the plan is too fuzzy.

  263. Speaking of which, JD, I’ve noticed the D stamps on the back of my hand wash off every time I shower. Do you think we could get a bit more permanent ink? Or should I just bite the bullet and have the damned thing tatooed on?

  264. Sdferr – When you report to the Emanuel Barracks for re-education, it will be tattooed on either the inside of your wrist, or on your forehead. No worries.

  265. The reason we invaded Iraq?

    They were next on the list of,”People Who Pissed Us The Fu%k off”.

    It could have been Syria or Iran..Iraq is just next for “Reform or We Nuke Your A@%,Because we are Sick Of Your Reindeer Games”

    Btw,Saudi Arabia,don’t sit there all smug,your on the list too.

    Outlaw!!!
    tony
    south haven,mi

  266. By the way — to those concerned (and you know who you are) — I’m lurking along on Patt’s “predictions what Obama will do” thread and I just want to say, it’s a mugs game he’s playing, I’m frankly surprised he has so many (earnest) takers and it being a mugs game doesn’t raise my estimation of him.

  267. Seth, I didn’t mean to be snarky or an asshole. That wasn’t my intent at all.

  268. Thanks, Ric. Well put as usual.

  269. Sometimes you just cannot help yourself, huh OI?

    I am going to be back up your way the latter half of next week.

  270. It’s like certain conservatives are having that Kevin Bacon moment in Animal House when the crowd just starts wilding.

    I know I’m reaching way back in the thread, and way late to the party, but this post intrigued me a little.

    Cause just yesterday,about the time the market dipped under 8000, the thought occurred to me, “The MSM is gonna be like Kevin Bacon in Animal House over the next 4 years trying to explain to the sheep how everything,s OK, and everything’s fine,and go back to your bowl of porridge before some fucking capitalist tries to steal it from you and sell it to the orphanage.”

    Especially when juxtaposed with their observations about the American economy of 2003 – 2007 being the worst since Hoover in spite of a sub 5% unemployment rate and other extremely favorable economic data.

    Of course that would make BHO have to play the part of Stork, the guy who hijacked the dumbasses in the band and lead them down a dead end street where they piled up and crushed each other for the remainder of the movie. We desperately need a Belushi.

    An OUTLAW if you will.

  271. Something of what stands behind my intent at 268, from Patt’s:

    I love this post. Talk about future ammunition by which to further lampoon the Right.

    As Obama’s successes pile up and the ridiculous prognostications here turn out to be vindictive far right wet dreams, I will be here at each and every “time frame” LMAO.

    Oh what fun awaits…
    Comment by Peter — 11/14/2008 @ 10:08 am

    I’m reminded of that Lenin quote, something to do with rope. And Pat proposes/enters the game seeking to (re-?)bolster his cred? Mugs.

  272. Slart, In “Loving, Touching, Squeezing,” by Journey, the word “na” is used 176 times at the end. I think. It’s 22 times per verse, and I think they repeated it 8 times.

    I’m not sure what it says about me that I know that. I did see them live during the “Frontiers” tour.

  273. JD – shoot me an email when you know when. See if you can get Al involved. I have to meet that crazy sumbitch. He’s killing me today.

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  275. Plus, the APR has a pretty incredible kick, and Better Half is not too fond of that. Plus, she is Asian, and we all know that they prefer to do their work up close and personal with some Vietnamese Death Touch or the Kung Fu Akido Muy Thai Clinch of Death.

    Oh shit, JDizzle. I am going to have to call the whole thing off. I want to live to see the inauguration. But IIIIIIIIIIIIII will always love – oops wrong picture…Okay….and IIIIIIIIII will always…..

  276. Sugartits – That was freakin’ hysterical. Better Half does not take it too well when I call out “Lucy” in the throes of passion.

    Crack is whack.

  277. Lisa is just a female version of thor without the direct insults. The Loling was probably at all of us for her perception that we all looked at this and said “oh that’s the final straw now I can not support Obama”.

    Yes, I am the female version of Thor, minus the moosefucking insults. I am his yin or perhaps his yang. And I am always laughing at you.

    You may commence addressing me as Lithor – She Who Laughs at Thee from now on, Pink.

    (chortles)

    Perf, your tongue could not possibly be firmly planted in your cheek as it was busily doing a nervous jitter along with your darting eyes as you peer from your bunker in the undisclosed location (somewhere behind your garage).

  278. Better Half does not take it too well when I call out “Lucy” in the throes of passion.

    She must be reasonably happy with your weiner (in its current, attached-to-your-body state). Because that faux pas is just cause for a Bobbitization.

  279. I’m not sure what it says about me that I know that. I did see them live during the “Frontiers” tour.

    I still fondly remember the goodness that was the “Separate Ways” video. I just remember some chick in white pumps and an awesome leather shoulder-padded jacket walking down the street – then the band “appears” leaning up against a building (all wearing REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY tight pants)…

    Good stuff.

  280. She always mumbles something about penile fracture or teeth, and that pretty much takes care of it.

    You are absolutely fucking killing me today. People are looking at me funny, nothing new for me, due to my barely controlled laughter.

  281. lol. I have been doing a bunch of snickering too. Good thing my boss had to leave early to get home and annoy the guys working on her kitchen remodel.

  282. Better Half is an absolute horror to any contractor that does work for us. Even doubly worse when I am doing the work. I think the term for it is an uninformed micro-micro-micro manager.

  283. OOPS … Did I say that?

  284. I think the term for it is an uninformed micro-micro-micro manager.

    I just instant-messaged that to both my sister and my brother-in-law. (To which the replies were “LOL” and “Shut up, bitch”, respectively).

    My sister has that exact condition. She seems to think that watching Trading Spaces has given her a vast well of knowledge surpassing anything any contractor, designer, electrician, or plumber could ever know. Plus she is an attorney, which just adds the final touch of punch-in-the-face-ableness.

  285. Holy crap on a cracker. That would make Better Half beyond insufferable. I gave one of the contractor’s a $100 bill one time at the end of a particularly OCD day. I truly felt bad for him, and asked him to go drink it off, and to please not leave to never return.

  286. Better that than if you went all Henny Youngman on him, JD.

  287. LOL JD!!

  288. Sugartits – It would be funny, were it not true. That $100 could have been put to use helping keep people from starving in third world countries, or electing an empty-suited socialist to the US Presidency. Instead, I had to bribe a contractor to complete a project.

  289. Yet another person that writes but clearly cannot read.

    ***”In 2008 there was a lot of chatter on the blogosphere about my relationship with Barack Obama:”

    Bill Ayers said the BLOGOSHPHERE characterized his relationship with Obama as being “family friends”. He never said they were actually family friends.

    How convenient for you to leave out that all important sentence where he prefaced the whole thing saying it was the BLOGOSPHERE saying these things.. not him.

    But you evil people will say anything to get ahead. Good thing the American people didn’t buy into these kinds of lies and obama is president!

  290. Bribe? huh-uh. That’s a COCA (cost of coping adjustment).

  291. Birdy, STFU.

  292. 268. You called it, Sdferr.

  293. But does the linkage at HotAir equate to going viral, SW? Or does it need to ‘shroom out a couple of circles in order to do the serious damage I’m sitting here expecting?

  294. Yet another person that writes but clearly cannot read.Here is a reason I for one don’t like mendacious assholes like you birdy: a direct quote from the Chicago SunTimes that Jeff used in his post.

    In a new afterword to his memoir, 1960s radical William Ayers describes himself as a “family friend” of President-elect Barack Obama and writes that the campaign controversy over their relationship was an effort by Obama’s political enemies to “deepen a dishonest narrative” about the candidate.

  295. What can anyone do about it …?

    Sometimes just the passage of time presents an answer, so I wouldn’t be too quick to despair.

    As far as Michele Catalano is concerned, I think we should bear in mind a couple of things: 1) There are fashions in thought; and 2) most voters don’t really know the philosophical difference between the Left and the Right.

    I sure as hell didn’t. I was a Useful Idiot for 3 decades until 9/11. The rancor and confusion that followed was so great that, for the first time in my life, I decided to figure out the real difference between the parties; I had to try to understand why my countrymen’s opinions were so very much at odds.

    After much study, I came to the conclusion that the fundamental difference between the Left and the Right is in economic philosophy: free market vs. socialism. It’s not a question of economic philosophy only, but of all that these philosophies tangentially entail: individualism vs collectivism; self-sufficiency vs welfare, freedom vs security, etc. Social policy differences are not prime; rather, they are a result of economic policy differences. Both parties recognize the same evils in the world; they just choose to solve them in different ways.

    That’s one of the reasons I believe the Left is so fundamentally dishonest: they insist that the Right does not appreciate the depth and nature of the woes of the world, when, in fact, they do; they merely choose to solve them differently. if the Left were truly liberal, they would appreciate that. They don’t, so they’re really fascists.

    The fastest way to say it is this: the Democrats want to give you a fish so you can eat today; the Republicans want to teach you how to fish so you can feed yourself forever.

    Now, if you don’t understand this fundamental principle, you can hardly be called a knowledgeable voter. Your vote comes and goes as the wind blows and you are capable of changing horses in mid-stream or defecting; e.g., Catalano, Colin-Powell, Buckley, etc. Most American voters are as I once was: ignorant. it’s a luxury we can currently afford.

  296. Lisa: You almost killed me with that 1st pic of Whitney. I almost cried, as I had SUCH a crush on her back in the day… My own Goddess looks a bit like the old Whitney actually, albeit more voluptuous. Mmmmmm, I’ll be in my bunk…