October 23, 2008

Bill Ayers the “respectable” “mainstream” communist eliminationist…

…whom FBI informant Larry Grathwohl notes, in the 1982 documentary No Place To Hide, had, along with his Weather Underground colleagues, dreams of a communist takeover of the US — one in which 25 million people would be eliminated.

And they were serious.

But what the hell. It’s not like they were able to pull it off, right? Instead, they only managed a few bombings, some organized vandalism, domestic terrorism — you know, minor revolutionary stuff. Oh. And the launching of Obama’s political career.

So, like, no harm, no foul.

Doubtless you’ve all heard this by now, but on the off chance you haven’t, ZombieTime has acquired and scanned portions of a copy of Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism (1974), written by Weather Underground members Bernardine Dohrn, Jeff Jones, Billy Ayers, and Celia Sojourn.

Notes ZombieTime:

Just because Ayers tries to appear respectable now doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a violent revolutionary in the past. In fact, as the text of Prairie Fire shows, Ayers was one of the most extreme extremists in American political history. And as the links given as the end of this essay will prove, Ayers is just as politically radical now as he was back then. He has never renounced the political views he professed in the 1960s and 1970s. The only difference is that now he no longer commits violence to achieve his goals. After his stint as the leader of the Weather Underground, he shifted to a different tactic: to spread his ideology under the aegis of academia. But the goal remains the same: to turn America into a communist nation. Ayers’ contemporary writings contain many of the same ideas (and even the same phrases) found in Prairie Fire, just toned down to make them more palatable in polite society.

This tactic of waxing over the ugly cracks in an ideology to give it a soft smooth plastic sheen, as I’ve come to call it, is Alinsky’s Chapstick.

And it is part of a long-term strategy that became evident at the very outset of the PC movement.

Listen: this country and its foundational principles are at a crossroads. And it is simply willful blindness to believe that Ayers and co. have changed their radical stripes — or that Barack Obama wasn’t recruited, nurtured, trained, packaged, and marketed by Ayers and his fellow travelers — many of whom were active in the New Party, just as before that they were active members of the New Left.

Remember, these are people who spent years studying the inglorious defeat of their beloved “movement” of the late 60′s (culminating in the 1972 reelection of Nixon), concluding not that communism or anti-Americanism is wrong, but rather that the way forward for their agenda was to undermine our institutions and the very epistemological paradigm under which we operate, and — by way of Alinsky — to consolidate power by cultivating a bright “clean,” articulate, “progressive” candidate with the proper identity politics credentials to act as their national Trojan Horse.

We are only a few weeks away from potentially electing the chosen candidate of Bill Ayers, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, and the remainder of the moldering radicals whose last political efforts will be in the service of the glorious cause — the handpicked protege of a man who at one point plotted, along with his fellow WU members, the elimination of 25 million stubborn capitalists who refused their proper re-education.

Bill Ayers was not just some idealistic young kid who was against the war in VietNam. Instead, he agitated for a communist victory, and has spent the years since working on weakening bourgeois institutions from within.

Barack Obama has helped him in that regard.

So when Chris Buckley, David Frum, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, Colin Powell, Rich Brookhiser, and the rest of the “right wing” beltway political romantics pull that lever for Obama in November, we should never forget who and what they have chosen to vote for — all so they can lay claim to the “winning side,” all for the chance at “access.”

CNN made a similar deal with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, as I recall.

Personally, I hope they each choke on it shame. Like Andrew Sullivan, they have about as much claim to “conservative” principles as does Jimmy Carter or Hugo Chavez.

And I, for one, won’t forget it.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 10:09am
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Comments (97)

  1. “We are a guerilla organization. We are communist men and women underground in the United States for more than four years. We are deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the strggle against US imperialism.
    Our intention is to disrupt the empire, to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks, ro make it hard to carry out to carry out its bloody functioning against the people of the world, to join the world struggle, to attack from the inside.”

    Jeebus.

  2. The progressive inclination to eschew child bearing and the whole icky family thing should make iteration of their ideology moot, but being entrenched in academia seems to subvert that.

  3. The progressive inclination to eschew child bearing and the whole icky family thing should make iteration of their ideology moot, but being entrenched in academia seems to subvert that.

    They don’t need their own children, they have yours.

  4. We are all well and truly fucked.

  5. I’m serious, by the way. “Conservatives” who have come out in favor of a socialist schooled, at an early age, in Islam and communism before moving on to the academic re-configuring of such ideas through Alinsky / Gramsci strategies, should be shunned by those who truly value classical liberalism.

    There should be no “discussion.” The two ideologies are so far apart that one simply cannot move between them and maintain the illusion that he or she stands for the principles upon which this country was founded.

    Courts should decide cases on “social justice” rather than the law or the Constitution? How can that not make Chris Buckley’s nuts shoot up into his abdomen?

  6. oh I dunno, my consolation is that the most ‘dedicated’ Baracky people I know are inveterate fuck-ups, you know? One of ‘em is actually a guy in his 30′s that’s getting ALL of his teeth pulled b/c he’s such a scumbag he couldn’t manage basic hygiene. The rest ain’t much better

  7. This will just make me laugh harder when I see Ayers refered to as “former” radical on TV instead of the piece of shit commie terrorist he is.

  8. Slightly OT, but my usually sane mother last night called me up and was claiming that “Barack Obama” was subliminally flashing during a showing of Old School on TNT. I’m inclined to believe her based on all that’s happened with the media thus far.

  9. I will NOT vote for Bambi. I have said this many times and given my reasons, which are sufficient for me. YMMV, if you’re a moron.

    What’s with the rose-colored glasses, folks? Why not simply believe what the man is?

    A fucking smooth-talking, completely corrupt Socialist asshole.

    And a Democrat Senator from Chicago. But I repeat myself.

    Go ahead, SS, track my ass down. Stand on my fucking porch and question me about my decision. I dare ya.

  10. Oh, and here’s your Official Fairness Doctrine equal time thingy:

    “This is a distraction from the Real Issues, like what Gov. Palin paid for her clothes”

    /carry on

  11. “Conservatives” who have come out in favor of a socialist schooled, at an early age, in Islam and communism before moving on to the academic re-configuring of such ideas through Alinsky / Gramsci strategies, should be shunned by those who truly value classical liberalism.

    When they find out the way President Jesus walks on water is by filling the water with his supporters’ bloated, waterlogged carcasses, they’ll begin to entertain doubts as to just how wise they were to join his cult.

    And they will just as quickly suppress those doubts and impose their own penance in the form of shrieking THERE IS NO PRESIDENT BUT OBAMA AND BIDEN IS HIS MESSENGER! at the top of their lungs.

    Thor must be having doubts a lot.

  12. Well, we know lefties are masters of projection, so combine their paranoia of Reganesque Rex-84 death camps with Joey Biden’s recent sputterings and Ayer’s genocidal fantasies and we’ve got ourselves a feasible projection of what Obama’s “Civilian Volunteer Service,” or whatever and their Moveon/Code Pinko sycophants will be doing when they’re called upon.

  13. Personally, I hope they each choke on it shame. Like Andrew Sullivan, they have about as much claim to “conservative” principles as does Jimmy Carter or Hugo Chavez.

    And I, for one, won’t forget it.

    Me neither. You can vote for who you want and you can support who you want to but when, as a supposed conservative and columnist, you say that the Republican Party left you and that it’s everyone else’s fault that you are jumping on the Obama bandwagon then you are a dishonest, hack piece of shit.

    The fact of the matter is all of the douchebags you note above used the same template for an excuse to join the collective: 1) Hammer Republicans for supposedly nasty campaigning (omit details or follow MSM line and mention Ayers) 2)Criticize Palin (again omit details, make stuff up or just call her stupid without evidence, in Noonan’s case say Palin hasn’t given her postions on issues when Palin has in fact given her position on all the issues you mention) and 3) At the end claim that you don’t think that Obama will do what he says he’s going to do and what he has always done. I believe number 3 can be called the “I hope he changes” defense and is included so that later on if Obama should lose or further down the road conservatism starts to seem inviting to them again they can say “hey, I didn’t abandon conservative principals I just thought Obama would be more conservative. Whoops my bad.”. The entire charade is intellectual cowardice in every case.

    This is however instructive and something that should be long remembered by conservatives after this election is just a distant memory. Many of the self-styled “elite” conservative opinion makers think “conservatism” is a neat idea but if they have to choose between fighting for it and getting invited to all the right parties they like a good evening out.

  14. Peggy Noonan has some sort of hormonal imbalance I think. If I were her I would skip to the part where I had absolutely no sense of self-worth, being such a useless and stupid woman and all.

  15. I think Alinsky would get chub in the grave if he realized that his chosen candidate would be able to rake in 605 million dollars during an election. Now that buys some serious “freeze it, polarize it, destroy it” of regular American citizens such as Joe the plumber.

  16. Who’s named Peggy anyhow other than dull, plump Slovak women making strudel in striped aprons.

  17. “I think Alinsky would get chub in the grave if he realized…” that Obama was planning on re-directing the military budget to his political Praetorian Guard of community organizers

  18. I keep trying to tell myself that things are not and can not be as bad as they appear. At least not here in America. I keep hoping that I am over reacting, and that disconnecting for a few days will make it all seem less threatening. But the more that comes out, the less I am able to be optimistic. And you know we still only know half of the truth. That is the most disconcerting thought of all.

  19. And you know we still only know half of the truth.

    nawoods – You are being pretty generous there.

  20. You can resist or join the secret police.

  21. Ayers&Co. may have (for the tmie being) eschewed physical violence, but the intellectual violence they have perpetrated on the institutions and students may prove to be every bit as damaging. People will be turned off or even moved to activism at the sight of a blown up building, but we chuckle and dismiss the mobs who regularly show up at G8 or other similar global meetings. Our cavalier attitude towrds those who would deprive us of liberty and property has only emboldened their leaders. We sent a clear message that we would not defend ourselves, or our property. It is another version of the old argument regarding self-defense during a robbery-there’s no need to shoot the guy over a TV, or your wallet, etc. Jeffry Snyder’s “A nation of Cowards” article is a decade old now, but is still 100% accurate as to the moral decay that accompanies the decision to not defend oneseelf. We should ahve continued to prosecute the war against radicals aggresively, with long jail sentences for those who break the law. By ignoring them, they have been free to run amok throughout our institutions, corrupting everything they touched. We smile and make jokes about voter fraud, which has been going on for decades, but look where that has gotten us: it is likely that the Demcratic governor of Washington was elected by non-existent voters, and there are any number of additional examples where the margin of victory was far less than the number of fraudulent votes. The Obama campaign has taken in tens of millions of dollars, the sources of which they refuse to revael. In a real sense, those who despise capitalism are going to buy their way into power. They know that, because of our belief in the system, and our reliance on the idea that we all really want the same thing,that we wouldn’t fight back with every tool at our disposal. And they weere right.

  22. I keep trying to tell myself that things are not and can not be as bad as they appear.

    I have a gut feeling that they’re worse. A lot worse.

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  24. “Thor must be having doubts a lot”

    That would require introspection. I’m not sure he has that ability.

    I’ve got a nominal friend (he’s married to the actual friend) who describes himself as a conservative (fiscal, I’m guessing) but he is going to vote for O!. He hated the war. That seems to be the only reason why. He’s a very smart, and successful businessman, but doesn’t seem to get that Bush isn’t running. He may be of the “McSame” camp. Again, he can’t articulate it very well, so it’s hard to tell. But, I was thinking along the same lines as Jeff (that’s what we sycophants do) and wondering how in the hell could he actively support O!, while claiming to have any conservative leanings. I can definitely see not voting for McCain. But actively supporting O!? Bullshit, own it, people. Embrace your progressivism. Quit being bitches.

  25. This back-and-forth exchange of opinions is fascinating. I find myself unable to stay away from this blog, even while at work, where I am being paid quite handsomely to perform supposedly more constructive tasks. Unfortunately, it saddens me that there is such a dearth of discourse regarding the most important question facing us all today, a question that transcends all others, a question that is, in every respect, directly related to today’s conversation on the evil Ayers. The question: Is there currently a war being waged here on Earth between the forces of good and the forces of evil? PLEASE please hear me out on this. If one can, at the very least, acknowledge that these forces do in fact exist, then it would not be difficult for one to ultimately recognize, especially when viewed in the context of current events, that evil is an undeniably real and destructive force here on Earth. Not only is it both real and destructive, but it is also nefarious and cunning in that it is able to manifest itself in human form. In human form, evil wears the ultimate disguise – and therein lies both its insidiousness and its potency. In human form, evil becomes virtually undetectable because it can look like just about anyone. At this point, some reading this may be questioning my sanity. Nevertheless, I ask you to ponder this: How else can we even begin to explain or rationalize the aberrant belief systems and unconscionable behavior patterns of the seemingly unhinged and hate-filled left??? How????? Ayers talks in earnest about “eliminating” 25 million non-believers. Does that not convince you that that evil has surely taken hold in the hearts and minds of these people. Remember, these fanatics worship at the altar of “Godlessness”, rabid in their devotion to dogma which weds the immoral to the amoral. The Left’s utopia is a guilt-free, “anything goes” culture, one devoid of accountability, responsibility, consequences and most importantly, moral scrutiny. In their bizarre “no-God” zone, life is viewed through a prism of moral relativism where universal values and absolutes have no real meaning, but are applicable only within the context of certain cultural boundaries or individual preferences. In their abstract, hazy shades of gray world, moral compasses are permanently disabled so there is no one “right” or moral way of thinking or of doing things. Their morality is driven essentially by what will best serve to further their warped and very dangerous social agenda. For them, no universal standard exists by which to assess truth or righteousness. Their espousal of this type of personal, subjective (pseudo) morality is intellectually dishonest, to say the least. More importantly, however; it is extremely dangerous, for it causes them to draw flawed moral symmetries (see LGM’s drivel for examples of this) – and not precise moral distinctions – between the two sides of every conflict. This is why they can sincerely claim that McCain’s association with Liddy is just as abhorrent as the Messiahs to Ayres. This is why they will always show more compassion for the criminal than for the victim, no matter how heinous the crime. They loathe Bush, but show much less (if any) rancor for the former Butcher of Baghdad (may he “Rest-In-Peace”), the Venezuelan strongman Chavez, the Holocaust-denier Ahmadinejad or Al-Qaeda chief bin Laden. In fact, to them, the treacherous Bush is the “real” terrorist and – and by “logical” extension – the bigger threat to world peace. Sounds crazy, doesn’t it? But it is happening today. Evil seems to be winning the war with the Left as its proxy. Ayers insists that at least 25 million American must be eliminated. His kindred spirit Barack Obama will soon be inserted as the next President of the United States. What are we going to do about it?

  26. But wasn’t Ayers voted “Chicago Man of the Year” or some such? I’m not getting the feeling that Chicago, or most other lefty hangouts, thinks Ayers is in any way exceptional. In a normal time, this would matter. Now, not so much. It would appear that the loonies have taken over the asylum.

  27. Gee, a million here, a million there, pretty soon you’re talking real people. However, this is no problem for Obama because after all, the more available dead voters the better!

  28. Get back to work, Rich!

  29. While I agree with many of the sentiments expressed in this post, I just want to correct one detail that you get wrong. While I can’t speak for other conservatives who have criticized the choice of Palin and/or decided they like Obama, David Frum does not belong in your list of folks who are pulling the lever for Obama:

    http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmE5Njk3NDBlZGZhYWU4YTMyMGFkNjYyNjJmNzYwNTg=

  30. Rich, I think stupidity can account for a lot of it. I think communists aren’t very deep.

  31. “This back-and-forth exchange of opinions is fascinating”

    Astroturf. And Rich ran out of paragraph pills.

  32. Evil. I think we knew that when Baracky said he would be ok with genocide in Iraq after he made our troops come home in defeat. There’s no other word for it.

  33. Why is it that the wall o’texts are always filled with abject idiocy?

  34. Hey what do you have against 2,000 word paragraphs?

  35. Also not drilling our own energies is evil. Those are good jobs and cars run on that stuff. But Baracky would rather send money to his cousin Hugo. Anti-American bastards both of them.

  36. I hereby denouce Sarah and fellow travellers as Paragraphophobes!

  37. Wer’re doomed really. O is ascendant. Unfarkingbelievable.

  38. Rich cut and pasted that same shit here a couple weeks ago.

  39. I made a post in the pub today that was really just a lot of yelling. I used my husband’s laptop and the editor didn’t work, and at first there were no paragraphs breaks despite me putting them in several times. It was extra crazy-looking with crazy sauce. I could have served it with some crazy-cake.

    Which reminds me my kid turns 18 this week, and I need chocolate for the frosting. I guess I will take my denouncement and go shoppin’. Happy Birthday Andy! Surprise !!!~ Unexpected communist Bagmanchurian for you!

  40. Rich’s ISP is probly in Chicago

  41. Of course the Left is animated by evil. They still labor under the misguided belief that Man is perfectable. All that’s needed is the “proper” education (or re-education, as the case may be). It’s no accident that Ayers and Dohrn went into education. In “liberal Fascism,” Goldberg shows the roots of this idea go back to the turn of the last century, if not earlier (Germany in the 1800′s).

    The Left cannot tolerate any competition. The State must be the focus of every individual. By removing God from the table, and the on-going deconstruction of the language, there is no more absolute truth, and any action can be justified. The gulags and killing fields are silent testimony to the fact that there is no “bottom” for the Left.

    Sorry about the long paragraph above. I was moving too quickly, I guess.

  42. What’s sad is that the True Believers really think they won’t be among the 25 million who disappear. It’s like they’re a bunch of history majors who’ve never read a history book in their lives.

  43. Folks, you can call me whatever name(s) you want…the fact remains, a very close associate of Obama has called for the slaughter of 25 million people….people JUST LIKE US…blind fools all of you…

  44. Hey urthshu, why don’t you come meet me in Philly???

  45. Wonder what the Baracky Nuremburg Defense will consist of?
    “I was only hoping to change!”
    “I was only registering voters!”

  46. Obama as cultivated trojan horse of the Weather Underground… is there no limit to your dark tangential fantasies?

    Barack Obama is as American as Ronald Reagan.

  47. I don’t know, Sarah. O! will spend over a half a billion dollars, and can’t crack 50% in what should be a Democratic year.

  48. Barack Obama is as American as Ronald Reagan.

    No, he is not.

  49. C’mon Rich, you come off just like the tons of ‘concerned christian voters’ that Axelrod astroturfed the blogs with before. If you aren’t one of them, good on you, but don’t be playing internet tuff guy b/c you just look stupid that way

  50. I am no Bible-thumper by any means….but if you are simply too blind to see what I see then I pity you….

  51. Ah! I see thorchild has swung by to drop another of his steaming loads inthe middle of the thread.

    Ignorant peckerwood.

  52. You can resist or join the secret police.

    These two choices are not mutually incompatible.

  53. Barack Obama is as American as Ronald Reagan.

    Barack Obama is as American as Billy Ayers. By some thor-measure, which I’ll accept, by the way, on its face.

    Next.

  54. No Venezulas here. Not while there are plenty of us under arms who wouldn’t let that happen. I think that trying very hard to make sure the people who would try to make us a Third World hole don’t win elections. Vote the other way, give money and work for their opposition.

    Oh, as for Peggy Noonan – I lost interest in what she had to say when she whined how “tired” she was ’cause of all this messy history going on – back in 2004. I remembered reading that the day after I scaled a mine-filled cliff outside Ashrafkhel, Afghanistan. I would have been sorely tempted to call her lots of really nasty names – right to her face, had I seen her at that moment.

  55. Listen: this country and its foundational principles are at a crossroads.

    Word on the road is that it got crossed in about 1790, and three weeks ago, and several thousand other times in between.

    Listen: the Constitution is cool, but it’s never been on. Don’t worry about it. It’s in fine, unused condition, waiting to have a go. That’s not changing.

    weakening bourgeois institutions from within

    So they say. But they’re liars. Why do you believe that part?

    What “bourgeois intstitution” — literal, as in buildings full of bourgeois functionaries fucking shit up, not rhetorical “institutions” like marriage — is weaker than it was before Gramsci or Alinsky or whatever metonymic devil got his horns up in it?

    Not one.

    Maybe you’re getting chumped by revolutionary rhetoric. Maybe there’s more than one “community” being “organized” here.

    Maybe.

  56. Taken from Mr. Singer’s link, Mr. Frum says -

    Those who press this Ayers line of attack are whipping Republicans and conservatives into a fury that is going to be very hard to calm after November. Is it really wise to send conservatives into opposition in a mood of disdain and fury for a man who may well be the next president of the United States, incidentally the first African-American president? Anger is a very bad political adviser. It can isolate us and push us to the extremes at exactly the moment when we ought to be rebuilding, rethinking, regrouping and recruiting.

    I’m thinking that opposing an associate, an enabler, a facilitator, and an active ally of a self-identified terrorist and self-declared soldier in the war against the American culture and government isn’t a bad way to go, Dave.

    I wasted almost two years giving Billy Jeff the benefit of the doubt/respect due the office.

    For what it’s worth, I’m quite certain that the O!ne has planned his administration based on the assumption that he will NOT have a full term to fulfill his aims and goals. Likely obstacles to the execution of his agenda include, but aren’t limited to: (1) realization on the part of the Democrats just what kind of monster they’ve turned loose and their immediate and decisive action to restrain his power (low probability), (2) media stops fabricating loaves and fishes and does its job, asking about campaign finances, fraud, and dissecting policy lunacy, (3) popular resistance to O! edicts manifests as economic collapse which cascades into acts of anti-Fed resistance…

    Think “really fucked up”, then go a step further. Then think “further than that whack TmjUtah might suggest”.

    And then you might be getting close.

    O! isn’t running away from any of his past associations, or their political/philosophical tenets. No, the O!ne is bent low behind a phalanx of media and Lib intelligentsia, clad in his commie beliefs and wearing his weatherman helmet, clutching his satchel charge of change that nobody sees coming, eyes fixed on the oval office, just on the other side November 4th.

    I have an eighteen year old, too. I feel I’ve let her down.

  57. oh. You should try it anyway. Verbally abusing Peggy Noonan is healthy I think. Cause she’s such a cooze is why.

  58. …..25 million need to be eliminated….geez, that sounds vaguely familiar, doesn’t it?????

    The Ovens at Auschwitz

    http://remember.org/fact.fin.ovens.html

    God help us all….

  59. I bookmarked psycho’s last comment and I’m gonna keep going back until I’m sure I really get it.

  60. I must say, I do wonder what Sen. Obama’s supporters do feel has instructed, motivated, taught, shaped, mentored and advised him? Did his parents raise him to cherish America, as he wondered the globe (as many a military brat could tell you they were)? Did he grow up taught by those who felt America was an exceptional place and a force for good in the world? Did he befriend those that see America as a “shinning city on a hill?”

    Many seem to want to project what they think he will do, but I cannot seem to find a supporter saying anything about why he would do what they hope/feel/wish.

    Sen. McCain is pretty much an open book on that account. Military family, USNA education. Into active service. Years of terrible abused by our enemies, but came back and got into politics to continue service. None too hard to see what motivates him – when he goes too far (ie. CFR) you can see it too.

  61. I asked, “well what is going to happen to those people we can’t reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?” and the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated.

    And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

    And when I say “eliminate,” I mean “kill.”

    Twenty-five million people.

    I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

    And they were dead serious.

  62. #59. hf – the war has made me very tired, and I am about done for the night, but… I think that psycho is saying that while Ayers, Dohrn, et al talk a really revolutionary game – they might be trying to hurt things, or they might be full of crap and just getting used by Sen. Obama as he goes for the only thing that matters – power for himself. While Sen. Obama may truly be a horrifyingly bad President, should he win, the Maoists may end up every bit as disappointed as the Legion of Kos was by Nancy Pelosi and the Congress of Doom (or whatever they were supposed to be – most ethical Congress ever? End the War now?! Impeach Bush!11!1! deliver a 12% favorable rating?).

  63. The misguided notion that Ayers is somehow part of the Chicago maistream says far more about Chicago than Ayers.

  64. “Not while there are plenty of us under arms who wouldn’t let that happen.”

    Once again, thank God for people like you, Major.

  65. The misguided notion that Ayers is somehow part of the Chicago maistream says far more about Chicago than Ayers.

     But Dread, I don’t think it is misguided – I think he is mainstream Chicago. And nobody seems to care. That’s what bugs me.

  66. Percy- thanks, but it really isn’t too hard to see how trying to recreate what Ayers finds so wonderful about Chavez’s revolution wouldn’t cut it here. We have a populace that wouldn’t stand for it in extremely large swaths of the country. There is a lack of muscle to go out and tell the millions of gun-clingers that they need to pass under the yoke. Trying to tell the US armed Forces to go out and do that would be pretty much anon-starter. I can’t really see anyone from the 10th Mountain Division following an order to shut down newspapers, TV and radio stations, etc. Now them goofballs in the 4th ID…. I kid, I kid.

  67. I’m sure you guys already noticed that, on Zombietime’s site, Zombie has up Ayers’ and Dohrne’s book dedication–including to Sirhan Sirhan.

    What the FUCK are Teddy and Caroline doing supporting anyone who associates with people who admire a man who shot their brother/uncle? Serious-fuckingly. They just truly do not care? I am so far from getting this.

  68. Major, re your #54…

    They don’t pay you guys enough. Thank you for all that you and your cohorts do.

  69. #

    Comment by MAJ (P) John on 10/23 @ 1:16 pm #

    Percy- thanks, but it really isn’t too hard to see how trying to recreate what Ayers finds so wonderful about Chavez’s revolution wouldn’t cut it here. We have a populace that wouldn’t stand for it in extremely large swaths of the country. There is a lack of muscle to go out and tell the millions of gun-clingers that they need to pass under the yoke. Trying to tell the US armed Forces to go out and do that would be pretty much anon-starter. I can’t really see anyone from the 10th Mountain Division following an order to shut down newspapers, TV and radio stations, etc. Now them goofballs in the 4th ID…. I kid, I kid.

    Giving credit where credit is due, here you’ve bellowed something refreshingly intelligent, soldier.

  70. psycho, are you saying Ayers is a counterspy?

  71. “…says far more about Chicago than Ayers.”

    Dread, it says a ton about the Hyde Park neighborhood where all these cancers currently metastasize.

    But the rest of the city? The traditional blue/pink-collar middle class has left the city, as the schools are atrocious, the taxes high, and local government insulting. That leaves a large population of younger professionals, who are besotted with Obama because he’s a smug, overly verbose, overeducated douchebag like them; the African-American community, which is voting on race; and the probably undermeasured Latino community, and I have no clue what they are going to do.


  72. Comment by MAJ (P) John on 10/23 @ 12:53 pm #

    I must say, I do wonder what Sen. Obama’s supporters do feel has instructed, motivated, taught, shaped, mentored and advised him? Did his parents raise him to cherish America, as he wondered the globe (as many a military brat could tell you they were)? Did he grow up taught by those who felt America was an exceptional place and a force for good in the world? Did he befriend those that see America as a “shinning city on a hill?”

    Many seem to want to project what they think he will do, but I cannot seem to find a supporter saying anything about why he would do what they hope/feel/wish.

    Sen. McCain is pretty much an open book on that account. Military family, USNA education. Into active service. Years of terrible abused by our enemies, but came back and got into politics to continue service. None too hard to see what motivates him – when he goes too far (ie. CFR) you can see it too.

    As an Obama supporter, let me help you out, tough guy. Barack Obama is a lot tougher man than you. That’s why he’ll be President while you never will.

    Obama climbed a most difficult mountain that you don’t dare attempt. Enjoy your spoon-full of perspective.

  73. “bourgeois intstitution”

    Y’mean Léon-Victor-Auguste? Or that sculptor lady?

  74. thor blithered: As an Obama supporter, let me help you out, tough guy. Barack Obama is a lot tougher man than you. That’s why he’ll be President while you never will.

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA! That is so funny! You’re wasted as a political commenter–try stad-up comedy! I mean, you could start by listing all the hard stuff Obama’s done, all the tough stuff he’s conquered! Oh, man, my ribs are aching!

  75. thor continues to dig himself deeper into that black hole of stupidity he’s created.

    Look, Barry has never done a hard thing in his life. If elected, he will be the first Affirmative Action president. His tissue thin record reveals nothing the would identify him as a serious intellectual, or that he has ever tried to do something difficult, and triumphed. Every segment of the Left-from universities, to the trial lawtyers, to various marxist mentors, to the media, to the corrupt Chicago political machine, has greased the skids for this guy. The only difficult question he’s been asked, was by Joe the plumber! He screwed the pooch on that one.

    And you dare to compare this carpet-bagging empty suit, with someone who has been in combat, and provided valuable and honorable service to the country? You are truly a wretched pile of pustulent snake-shit, you know that? You are irredeemable.

  76. And I, for one, won’t forget it.

    Pretty bold talk for a Jew heading for the re-education camps…

    Folks, you can call me whatever name(s) you want…the fact remains, a very close associate of Obama has called for the slaughter of 25 million people….people JUST LIKE US…blind fools all of you…

    Rich, who the hell are you talking to?

    The information you say we are blind to has been revealed in the creation of this very post you are commenting on.

    ginsocal, I’m sure the Major was pained by #69 more than #72.

    Considering the source and all…

  77. (with apologies to Dan Ackroyd)

    thor, you ignorant slut! Neither you nor your butt-fuck buddy Obambi will EVER know what “tough” is. Neither of you are worthy to polish the Major’s or any other combat infantryman’s boots.

    Ginsocal pretty well summed it up. Your boy has never done a hard thing in his fucking life. Everything has been handed to him on a silver platter from the day he was born. Nor has he accomplished ANYTHING of note, let alone of any real difficulty, in his fucking life either.

    The very notion that BarryO! has as many supporters as he has only demonstrates just how incredibly dumb a significant portion of the population has become in the past 40 years or so.

    Do yourself a favor, Hammer-boi, and just STFU.

  78. Percy: ” The traditional blue/pink-collar middle class has left the city, as the schools are atrocious, the taxes high, and local government insulting. That leaves a large population of younger professionals, who are besotted with Obama because he’s a smug, overly verbose, overeducated douchebag like them; the African-American community, which is voting on race; and the probably undermeasured Latino community, and I have no clue what they are going to do.”

    You know what they’re gonna do — the dead will walk twice this year — Oct 31 and on Election Day.

  79. Listen: the Constitution is cool, but it’s never been on. Don’t worry about it. It’s in fine, unused condition, waiting to have a go. That’s not changing.

    You’re more cynical than even I am.

    What “bourgeois intstitution” — literal, as in buildings full of bourgeois functionaries fucking shit up, not rhetorical “institutions” like marriage — is weaker than it was before Gramsci or Alinsky or whatever metonymic devil got his horns up in it?

    Not one.

    But I was talking about “rhetorical” institutions: church, public education — on down to the assumptions of epistemology and cultural paradigm.

    But if you want brick and mortar stuff, start with the Universities.

    Maybe you’re getting chumped by revolutionary rhetoric. Maybe there’s more than one “community” being “organized” here.

    Maybe.

    I don’t follow this last bit.

  80. Yeah. That was the part I bookmarked to go back to. oh. G’nite Major John. You’re almost all done I guess.

  81. Bill Ayers and his ilk are the last gasp of 60′s radicalism. I agree that they have attempted (and to some degree succeeded) in their long march through the institutions.

    Major, thank you for your service to the US. I agree with you that summoning the armed forces to enforce their agenda is a non-starter. It does not follow that therefore political violence could never break out in this country. If there were riots and looting, what percentage of soldiers would be willing to fire on US citizens? What happens to those soldiers when the media goes into Kent State mode? Personally I think Obama is serious about a civilian service corps with equal funding to that of the armed services. Whether he can actually do it is doubtful. What he CAN do is start such a service, expand those already existing, and defund/demoralize the armed forces.

    No, I think only one thing stands between progressivism and the destruction of classical liberalism: their ideas are foolish. I expect bad things will multiply in the next several years, but history is long. They will fail because their ideas always fail. They can cripple this nation, but they cannot kill it.

    Grease your guns, read your Constitution, and wait patiently. When Obama is revealed as Carter volume 2, then we will see whether we get another Reagan or expanding social collapse (or both). Despair is pointless.

  82. A quick primer for first-time commenters with Extremely Important and Serious Things to Say™.

    Paragraph breaks are your friend.

    That is all.

  83. #

    Comment by Cave Bear on 10/23 @ 2:08 pm #

    (with apologies to Dan Ackroyd)

    thor, you ignorant slut! Neither you nor your butt-fuck buddy Obambi will EVER know what “tough” is. Neither of you are worthy to polish the Major’s or any other combat infantryman’s boots.

    Ginsocal pretty well summed it up. Your boy has never done a hard thing in his fucking life. Everything has been handed to him on a silver platter from the day he was born. Nor has he accomplished ANYTHING of note, let alone of any real difficulty, in his fucking life either.

    The very notion that BarryO! has as many supporters as he has only demonstrates just how incredibly dumb a significant portion of the population has become in the past 40 years or so.

    Do yourself a favor, Hammer-boi, and just STFU.

    Mmm, mmm, a piping hot bowl of right-wing batwing soup. “Stir it up, little darling.”

  84. The terrible democrat death squads are coming to kill us or at least round us up out of our comfortable beds and haul us off to camps where we’ll be worked to death to provide wide-screen tvs for parasites while our new Gramascin overlords defecate on the constitution and grind freedom up into a fine white powder that will be carried away on the next wind.

  85. Barack Obama is a lot tougher man than you.

    What, it took him twenty years in a racist church to become authentic?

    That’s not tough. That’s clinical.

    Like you, thor. Seek help.

  86. And up comes, like a frat boy mooning town hall, the butt of my joke. Or example of my observation…whatever.

    Thor, the A&M alumni, self professed genius, struggles with simple contractions.

    And deep introspection of his idol worship.

  87. Right on as usual Jeff G,

    …And it is simply willful blindness to believe that Ayers and co. have changed their radical stripes — or that Barack Obama wasn’t recruited, nurtured, trained, packaged, and marketed by Ayers and his fellow travelers — many of whom were active in the New Party, just as before that they were active members of the New Left…

    Well put, and willfull blindness on the part of the MSM for not vetting him properly. If they’d only a fraction as much as with Palin, and shown a fraction of the same outrage!, there would have been no way that O! would have made it this far…

    Remember, these are people who spent years studying the inglorious defeat of their beloved “movement” of the late 60’s (culminating in the 1972 reelection of Nixon), concluding not that communism or anti-Americanism is wrong, but rather that the way forward for their agenda was to undermine our institutions and the very epistemological paradigm under which we operate, and — by way of Alinsky — to consolidate power by cultivating a bright “clean,” articulate, “progressive” candidate with the proper identity politics credentials to act as their national Trojan Horse.

    Nothing I could add would enhance this powerful and concise statement…The problem was never their ideas, only the way they went about it…

    Bill Ayers was not just some idealistic young kid who was against the war in VietNam. Instead, he agitated for a communist victory, and has spent the years since working on weakening bourgeois institutions from within.

    The real truth that is the reason that O! will tolerate even less discussion of Ayers than the 8 questions he deigned to answer about Rezko. Even the most cursory, intellectually honest discussion of Ayers journey from the ’60s to the mainstream would simply expose this truth to all…This guy’s mask can never slip-because he never wears one!

    So when Chris Buckley, David Frum, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, Colin Powell, Rich Brookhiser, and the rest of the “right wing” beltway political romantics pull that lever for Obama in November, we should never forget who and what they have chosen to vote for — all so they can lay claim to the “winning side,” all for the chance at “access.”

    And continue to join their collegues at the fab-o cocktail parties inside the beltway and in fashionable salons on the upper west side of NYC…And you left off Michael Smerconish, Chris Tingle’s token Philly conservative…These clowns are all exxed in my book…
    Although in fairness, I think Frum’s latest argument is simply that we on the right not act like the left has for the past 8 years should O! be elected…Still exxed though!

    And with respect to the 25 million non-believers that would have to go…
    Who cares, I mean, they are mostly eeeeeeevil RethugliKKKans! And besides, you gotta break a few heads to, you know, affect la Revolution

    None of these maggots seem to be familiar with the evolution of France following the French Revolution. While O!s apparatchicks and his water boys in the MSM are currently useful idiots, there may come a later time, when some choose to become apostate, and will wonder what became of their beloved tolerance and moral relativism…

    Sorry for the length, but it’s hard to be pithy and punchy about this subject…
    Best Wishes

  88. Really Seman?

    Sorry for any confusion my poor writing may have created.

    What I meant was thor seems incapable of overcoming his rock star worship of Obama, which prevents a deep personal examination of his reasons for intellectually supporting The ONE.

    But what do I know, not only have I not completed English 101, I don’t have a medical license.

    Feel free to trollhammer me if you wish. Otherwise quit crying, it’s kind of annoying.

  89. Thor (stop using that name tool!) and Semen seem to love kneeling in front of the O! man, getting baby batter all over themselves, and hate the non-suckers on this site. Stay on your knees, boys/girls/whatevahs, and get back to work, O! needs to “share more wealth” with you…

  90. None of these maggots seem to be familiar with the evolution of France following the French Revolution.

    In particular, the fates of Marat, Robespierre, Saint-Just, Danton, et al.

    They always imagine the Brave New World with themselves at the helm, because they fancy themselves the “natural leaders”. Too bad that “natural leader” in such a society is the person who is the most ruthhless. Your typical academic doesn’t qualify (cutting remarks at faculty teas don’t count in this game).

    Once aroused, the thirst of the Red Widow is awfully hard to slake.

  91. Amen. Win or lose, my vote is for McCain. Obama is the friendly face of the future shift to the left. He is a Trojan Horse, and might even be a Useful Idiot, because I think he is sincere in his belief that he is for the middle of the road. He chums with Ayers, Dohrn, Klonsky, and the like, because they keep their real aspirations and hopes under wraps around him. Obama has plausible deniability because he never reads anything about these guys…hmmm…then again, I think he is straight up lying about the extent of his connections to the far left. Duh! What about that pic of Michelle with Farrakhan’s wife. Okay, it is just as limited as Rumsfeld’s handshake with Saddam, but still…

  92. What happens to those soldiers when the media goes into Kent State mode?

    Martial law’s a bitch.

  93. #72 from thor was remarkable, even for thor.

  94. The SS uniform looks good on you, thor.

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