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Aaaaaand…we’re off!

Geraghty:

John McCain, today, finally starts talking about Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the irresponsible leadership at both, and the Democrats’ efforts to prevent serious oversight:

Our current economic crisis is a good case in point. What was his actual record in the years before the great economic crisis of our lifetimes?

This crisis started in our housing market in the form of subprime loans that were pushed on people who could not afford them. Bad mortgages were being backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and it was only a matter of time before a contagion of unsustainable debt began to spread. This corruption was encouraged by Democrats in Congress, and abetted by Senator Obama.

Senator Obama has accused me of opposing regulation to avert this crisis. I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed. But the truth is I was the one who called at the time for tighter restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that could have helped prevent this crisis from happening in the first place.

Senator Obama was silent on the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and his Democratic allies in Congress opposed every effort to rein them in. As recently as September of last year he said that subprime loans had been, quote, “a good idea.” Well, Senator Obama, that “good idea” has now plunged this country into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

To hear him talk now, you’d think he’d always opposed the dangerous practices at these institutions. But there is absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he did. He was surely familiar with the people who were creating this problem. The executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have advised him, and he has taken their money for his campaign. He has received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than any other senator in history, with the exception of the chairman of the committee overseeing them. Did he ever talk to the executives at Fannie and Freddie about these reckless loans? Did he ever discuss with them the stronger oversight I proposed? If Senator Obama is such a champion of financial regulation, why didn’t he support these regulations that could have prevented this crisis in the first place? He won’t tell you, but you deserve an answer.

Amen. Finally. Keep doing it — don’t let this be a one-speech wonder. This has to be a huge part of the message for the coming days.

Never mind for the presidential election — if the country is to avoid a similar run of reckless bets in the future, we have to be clear-eyed about what got us into this mess in the first place.

Notes Moe Lane at Red State:

Looks like we’re going to have one whale of a debate tomorrow, assuming of course that we can get past the junior Senator from Illinois whining for twenty minutes about how mean we’re being to him. And racist! Mustn’t forget the racism; God knows that his supporters never do. So let’s rock and roll. It’ll be a thing.

I’ll add only what I’ve added on several other occasions here this past week, namely, that McCain and Palin should embrace the chance to take on the race-baiters and the establishment feminists — both constituencies against which I think ordinary Americans will happily rebel, given the impetus and the political cover to do so.

Earlier, USNews and World Reports noted that McCain was avoiding the Fannie Freddie mess because he feared being labeled an enemy of the poor and “racist” by Democrats; he also believed an explanation for the mortgage meltdown was beyond the comprehension of ordinary voters.

Thankfully, someone in his campaign convinced him to listen to the conservative base (and even those like me who viewed his unwillingness to make a tough case as a sign of his weakness), who have been pleading with him to take the case to the American people, and to confront Senator Obama on his ties to the crisis (and his campaign’s ties, on the advisory level, to those principally responsible).

— Or maybe it finally occurred to Senator McCain that those most unlikely to either understand the crisis or care about what brought it about were already voting for Senator Obama, anyway.. So what’s the harm in aiming above the low-information voters who are going to pull the lever for the younger charismat even were he to show up at the next debate dressed in a big sable hat and answering every question with quotes from the Huey Newton Reader.*

****
see also, Hot Air.

Bonus: Palin zeroes in on Obama/Wright connection.

Looks like ANWR is not the only thing on which Palin and McCain disagree.

484 Replies to “Aaaaaand…we’re off!”

  1. dicentra says:

    Hey, about two hours ago, I faxed a message to McCain’s senate office, saying “Cowboy up, Senator. Kick ass and take names. You promised to make them famous.” I also included these quotes:

    “McCain cannot be willing to sell out the market for votes — even if he’s concerned that mention of Democratic ties to certain legislation that precipitated the current crisis could be construed (incorrectly) by the American people as somehow racist.

    After all, it is his job as candidate for President to make the case firmly and cogently, and to use any attempts by Democrats to race bait to segue into that candid “dialogue on race” Obama was supposed to be leading us through in the first place.

    Time to step up, McCain. Using big business as a convenient arch criminal for every crisis is why most conservatives mistrust you. Earn your support. Otherwise know that even if you do manage to become President, you will have done so on the strength of the Anybody But Obama vote.”

    So. You know. Cause and effect.

    You’re welcome. :D

  2. Patrick says:

    Jeff, when would you have heard the voice of Phil Georgeff?

  3. Sdferr says:

    I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed.

    I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed.

    Aren’t those an example of what’s known as fighting words? Good for him, finally.

  4. Patrick says:

    echo
    echo
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  5. Sdferr says:

    quite, my fail in a “cut” operation, sorries.

  6. Jeff G. says:

    Sem wants a president who appears a certain way. Beyond that — BLANK CHECK!

  7. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Sdferr: pretty sure that McCain just drew a parallel between Obama and Goebbels.

  8. Sdferr says:

    Exactly so SBP, which in most venues demands a response, to which a counter-response and so on, escalating to right and proper fisticuffs if the onlookers are to be rewarded and impressed. Someone (and possibly both) is going to get bloodied.

  9. alppuccino says:

    My only advice at this point is Johnny, if you feel like you’ve gone far enough with these attacks, double it and then go a little more.

  10. N. O'Brain says:

    More funny from Rachael Lucas’ blog:

    http://tinyurl.com/3to54o

  11. Spiny Norman says:

    Thanks to dicentra and 2 whole minutes, Cleo the Blockhead was prevented from going wildly off-topic with the first comment.

    Or perhaps it was those dastardly partisan “moderators”…

  12. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Sem wants a president who appears a certain way.

    How about a compromise President, say, Thomas Sowell?

  13. Doug STewart says:

    I love Huey Newton and the News. Especially that “Power of Love” song they did for Back to the Future.

    …What?

  14. Doug STewart says:

    In re: #16:
    I’m sorry, what? O!’s been anything but a constant, smiling presence. He’s preached military/economic/social doom-n-gloom from the very beginning and has done his utmost to keep from showing up when the voting counts. To sully (hah!) Robinson’s name by spuriously comparing him this Chicago Cipher does his memory a grave injustice.

    In other words, DIAF, ‘Cleo.

  15. Clint says:

    You’re f’ing kidding me. I know Jackie Robinson, sir, and Barry O is no Jackie Robinson.

    because a lot of folks are gonna lose access to money and power

    This tells it all, I think. Which party has majorities in both houses of Congress?

  16. Doug STewart says:

    “[C]omparing him to this Chicago Cipher[…]”. Apologies.

  17. Jeffersonian says:

    All you can say is that if the American people swallow Obama’s bullshit, it won’t be because they weren’t warned.

  18. Judd says:

    Above the fray like “don’t look like the other presidents on the dollar bill” above the fray, because that sounds like right in the middle of the fray to me.

  19. happyfeet says:

    Baracky took a bunch of hush money to not saying anything about the corruptions at Fannie Mae is what happened. I know NPR likes him a lot but it seems to me he’s corrupt and corrupt in a very old school socialist way not in a changey way.

  20. Marco says:

    McCain was holding off because his funds are more limited, and he had to concentrate his fire.

    McCain was holding off so as not to jinx the bailout, crappy though it was. Now the bailout has been signed.

    McCain was holding off for strategic reasons: in this election, with no incumbent, and (thanks to assiduous work by McCain) no-one strongly linked to the incumbent, a lot of people will vote based upon what comes out in the last month.

    It puts me in mind of the climactic fight scene in “V for Vendetta”: “My turn.”

    (This being said, I’m pretty sure that Palin will be doing most of the attacking.)

  21. Jeffersonian says:

    You’re f’ing kidding me. I know Jackie Robinson, sir, and Barry O is no Jackie Robinson.

    You don’t hit .311 lifetime with five All-Star appearances and an MVP by being “present.”

  22. Doug STewart says:

    Judd:
    No, no, above the fray, as in “just a typical white person” or “his name sounds funny” or “they’re going to try to bring race into this picture” or “I was coloring in the ‘o’s and ‘e’s on my bulletin when Wright went off on Whitey”.

  23. plainslow says:

    I hope he tells the truth, until the truth is no longer considered racist.

  24. Doug STewart says:

    In re: #24:
    You do become Cal Ripken, though, if you show up long enough.

    Well, show up and votehit, so Barry O!’s got that going against him.

  25. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Semanticleo: “He would have had to accomplish that record in the Negro Leagues, if someone hadn’t given him the chance…………”

    Then again, baseball is a meritocracy. Were politics a meritocracy, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, since Obama is a hack.

  26. happyfeet says:

    You could tell Baracky was corrupt by how M’chelle ended up cashing in when he became Senator. Chicago is full of crooks, but a lot of them believe in capitalism. Baracky’s different.

  27. mojo says:

    A black hack.

    Oooooh! RACIST!

    (Wrong.)

  28. happyfeet says:

    It doesn’t do African Americans no favors to pick a corrupt socialist one and make him president I don’t think. NPR should rethink their support.

  29. Dread Cthulhu says:

    mojo: “A black hack. Oooooh! RACIST!

    (Wrong.)”

    Hacks is hacks. Hacks know know race and the only color they’re interested in is green.

  30. happyfeet says:

    Baracky is exciting and socialist but I guess NPR never stopped to think that they may not be working to elect the first black president, they might could be working to elect the last one.

  31. N. O'Brain says:

    #Comment by Semanticleo on 10/6 @ 1:30 pm #

    Do you speak English?

  32. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Semanticleo: “The Hall of Fame isn’t political? Tell Pete Rose…”

    Every game has rules, SemantiCleopatra, and one flaunts them at their own peril. The broad concept is “personal responsibility” –you might consider looking it up.

    Choices have consequences.

  33. happyfeet says:

    Joe Biden was wrong about Baracky being clean. He’s not clean at all.

  34. Ric Locke says:

    The Hall of Fame is political, Semanticleo. On the field, you hit or you don’t, you catch the ball or drop it. The ball isn’t racist. It hasn’t got the equipment.

    Everybody including the bigots knew Jackie Robinson was an outstanding player. That made the opposition to his entry clear to the bigots, who got soreheaded about it. I heard a lot of that in my youth. And it would all have fallen down if Robinson had been a .100 hitter who ducked when the ball came his way.

    Regards,
    Ric

  35. N. O'Brain says:

    I think seman just insulted FDR, HST, JFK and LBJ.

  36. Doug Stewart says:

    Funny you should bring Pete Rose into the picture, ‘Cleo.

    Y’know, gaming the system for his own rewards. So I guess you’re saying that O! ought to be disqualified in perpetuity from holding the reins of power? Fine by me!

  37. Mr. Pink says:

    Cleo wtf are you talking about. Why do some people always bring race into this? Would being white have helped Obama actually vote instead of voting present? Would being black have helped McCain in Vietnam? Viewing every issue in your life thru some magical racial lense must be painful.

  38. Challeron says:

    Patrick @ 4;

    I remember Georgeff; I also remember what came later in each race, which might be even more appropriate after tomorrow’s debate:

    Spinning out of the turn….”

  39. Jeffersonian says:

    Just for laff: Steyn has a post on the Corner entitled “Barney Rubble” with the text beginning: “Re the post below on Congressman Frank and his Fannie male, a reader e-mails with a proposed Hollywood adaptation: Broke Bank Mountain.”

  40. sashal says:

    YOur ex-pal , John Cole said it very well:

    When the Republicans took over the White House in 2000, the DOW was at around 10,600. Currently, the DOW is 9824. In 2000, when Bush and the Republicans took office, we had a budget surplus of about 230 billion. This year, we are expected to run approximately a half-trillion dollar deficit, and that was before the trillion we have tossed on to the national debt in the last few weeks. But here is the most startling statistic- all previous forty-two presidents, in the history of this nation, had a combined national debt of approximately 5.5 trillion. George W. Bush and the Republican administration have almost doubled the debt of his 42 predecessors, as our national debt is over ten trillion (and that does not count all the chicanery with social security obligations and the like). George Bush and Republican rule have been a DISASTER. There is no other term for it. John McCain may think he is being unfairly tarnished with this, but it is important to remember that he has been with Bush all the way on things, and intends to continue the Bush policies that helped to get us where we are. We are on the edge of a cliff, and John McCain wants to keep walking forward (no doubt his running mate things jumping would be a good leap of faith). So whinge about Bill Ayers. Whine about Rezko. Babble to your heart’s content about Fannie Mae. Scream Freddie Mac and Barney “Fag” all you want. These are silly, last minute desperate distractions, and the American people know who is responsible for this mess.

    Good conservatives should be welcoming the electoral tsunami that is about to wipe Republicans off the map- after all, they are the ones always preaching about personal responsibility, right? The only thing I do not understand is how there are still some reasonably intelligent people out the who would vote for Johnny Drama and Bible Spice. It makes absolutely no sense to me, other than raw tribalism.

  41. […] Aaaaaand…we’re off! […]

  42. Jeffersonian says:

    Cole’s got a point about the debt…Bush and the Republicans spent money like it was going out of style, frequently on stupid liberal shit like prescription drug plans and education boondoggles.

  43. Jaded says:

    If I might be so bold as to say “lets get it on b**tches”…..please excuse my french.

  44. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Semanticleopatra: “Point well taken. That’s exactly WHY they HAD to let him in. He was BETTER than anyone else. But if public opinion had turned on him because he was a hothead, even his record wouldn’t have helped him.”

    Which still has nothing to with Obama, who is a thin-skinned political hack from Chicago who probably can’t bat his weight.

  45. Mr. Pink says:

    Definatly does have a point about the debt. No reason to compound the debt by trillions of new spending on free healthcare for all however.

  46. Doug Stewart says:

    sashal:
    I shall rush home tonight and cut my nose off, the better to spite my face.

    I don’t get the “arguments” of “conservatives” that are trying to convince me that allowing the very people that caused or at least abetted these catastrophes will somehow be for the “best”. Lesser of two weevils, etc., but I’ll take an administration that at least has a notional shot at having decent free marketers in its upper ranks over one whose Command Economy 101 roots show further with each passing day, thankyouverymuch.

  47. Challeron says:

    Funny, sashal, that your new hero John Cole neglected to tell you that the Dow was over 11,000 just before the news broke that the Dems had f*cked up Fannie / Freddie….

  48. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Semanticleopatra: “I hadn’t heard that. I know that Old People often develop a very thin epidermis which appears translucent in time, but I think Obama is a relatively young man…”

    Obviously, anything beyond very short words and concrete literalism is lost on you.

  49. Challeron says:

    … And, oh yeah, sashal, that maybe the Dow tanked because the Bailout has left the proverbial foxes in charge of the henhouse….

  50. Doug Stewart says:

    …And no, I’m adamantly not a fan of the fiscal-resuscitate-Tinkerbell-bailout-bill that just passed. I’m also not a fan of Barr or Paul, so who’s left? The Constitution Party candidate? Feh.

  51. Clint says:

    And to thank them for that, they were voted out in 2006. How’s the most ethical Congress evah! working out?

  52. Spiny Norman says:

    Funny, sashal, that your new hero John Cole neglected to tell you that the Dow was over 11,000 just before the news broke that the Dems had f*cked up Fannie / Freddie…Or that the Dow was above 14,000 and gasoline was $2.15 a gallon when the Dems took over the House…

  53. SarahW says:

    “I hadn’t heard that”

    Really. That is one of his more frequently observed faults.

  54. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Doug Stewart: “…And no, I’m adamantly not a fan of the fiscal-resuscitate-Tinkerbell-bailout-bill that just passed. I’m also not a fan of Barr or Paul, so who’s left?”

    Cynthia McKinney?

    I’ll get my coat.

  55. Mr. Pink says:

    Cleo if you could seperate what you want Obama to be, from what he has actually done and shown himself to be, you might start posting comments worth reading.

  56. Spiny Norman says:

    Crap. What the hell!

    Take two:

    Funny, sashal, that your new hero John Cole neglected to tell you that the Dow was over 11,000 just before the news broke that the Dems had f*cked up Fannie / Freddie…

    Or that the Dow was above 14,000 and gasoline was $2.15 a gallon when the Dems took over the House…

  57. Ric Locke says:

    [Robinson] was BETTER than anyone else.

    No, as a matter of fact he wasn’t. There were other players as good or better, but that was never the point. The point was that he was clearly good enough to play major league ball, better in fact than many if not most of the white players who’d gotten in ahead of him, and therefore excluding him was clearly unfair not just to Robinson, but to the ball club, who needed good players.

    And none of it would ever have happened anyway if it hadn’t been for people like my father, who was a racist of the “it’s too bad the Negroes can’t make it” variety, but was impressed by the performance of the “colored” in doing the gruntwork of logistics in WWII, often enough under fire. If there had been no Red Ball Express, Jackie Robinson would have played out his career in the Negro Leagues.

    Regards,
    Ric

  58. urthshu says:

    The last black President

  59. Spiny Norman says:

    #58 Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 10/6 @ 2:13 pm

    Obviously, anything beyond very short words and concrete literalism is lost on you.

    Cleo has made it a personal crusade to redefine “obtuse”.

  60. N. O'Brain says:

    #Comment by Semanticleo on 10/6 @ 2:12 pm #

    You don’t speak English, do you?

  61. cranky-d says:

    I hope they keep hammering on this no matter what happens. McCain has said before that the good of the country came first. He needs to prove that.

    Not that I won’t vote for him, because I will, but my purple state is full of fiscal conservative democrats who might just switch sides if the truth is spelled out for them in a manner that the MSM cannot ignore.

  62. N. O'Brain says:

    Mheh!

  63. Silver Whistle says:

    Sashal,

    When the Republicans took over the White House in 2000, the DOW was at around 10,600.

    I think we can agree on that bit. The rest needs some editing.

  64. Challeron says:

    I’ve only heard about McCain’s Biden’s exploding aneurysms.

    Fixed that for you.

  65. happyfeet says:

    Hah! Bible Spice!! That’s funny cause of how stoopid Christians are, especially the Christian womens. Baracky voters hate Christians and stuff but do it in a funny way that I think brings us closer together as a country. Baracky voters haven’t really gotten their kudos for this I don’t think.

  66. Jeffersonian says:

    I’ll get my coat.

    I’ll get my pistol.

  67. B Moe says:

    Those government health-care programs serve seniors, poor families and the disabled. Medicare spending for the fiscal year ended Sept. 30 is estimated at $457.5 billion.

    What is that, like 2 or 3 times what we are spending in Iraq? What is our return on that investment, Cleo?

  68. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Jeffersonian: “I’ll get my pistol.”

    I’ll raise you a carbine and a couple of rifles… ;)

  69. kelly says:

    Don’t you have Chris Dodd’s dick to suck or something, cleo?

  70. SarahW says:

    Semanticleo, if there was a Fox link in there, they were echoing content in the center and right AND LEFT (think Hillary supporters) blogsphere. I don’t think you took a very extensive tour of the links or the reasons this descriptor is so frequently applied to O.

    Peevish is another word that might be used.

  71. Dread Cthulhu says:

    He had a better chance with Barney — there was a chance Barney would let him out of boredom. Dodd will want cash.

  72. Dread Cthulhu says:

    SarahW: “Semanticleo, if there was a Fox link in there, they were echoing content in the center and right AND LEFT (think Hillary supporters) blogsphere. I don’t think you took a very extensive tour of the links or the reasons this descriptor is so frequently applied to O.”

    Semanticleopatra is still cruising de Nile.

  73. sashal says:

    well, you guys may be right or most likely
    not

  74. If anyone wants to do something, go to one of BHO’s appearances and ask him a variant of one of these:

    “You received tens of thousands from the top executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Did you ever talk to the executives at Fannie and Freddie about these reckless loans? That is, could you please list some approximate dates when you discussed those reckless loans made by your contributors’ organizations? I don’t need exact dates, but just a few off the top of your head.”

    Or:

    “You received tens of thousands from the top executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Did you ever talk to the executives at Fannie and Freddie about stronger oversight proposed by Senator McCain? That is, could you please list some approximate dates when you discussed the proposed stronger oversight? I don’t need exact dates, but just a few off the top of your head.”

    Get BHO’s response on video, and upload it to Youtube.

  75. Carin says:

    That explains it, Sarah. I don’t watch FOXNEWS or read the
    shrieking members of Wingnut Nation, just ‘moderate’ classic liberal ones.

    Didn’t we learn the other night that the proper sources for unbiased, factual information was Comedy Central and “Rolling Stone”?

  76. SarahW says:

    I don’t understand your Netsuke act, Semanticleo. Why won’t you just see what is?

  77. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Carin: “Didn’t we learn the other night that the proper sources for unbiased, factual information was Comedy Central and “Rolling Stone”?”

    Musta missed the Obama Network Alert e-mail…

  78. Dave in SoCal says:

    Musta missed the Obama Network Alert e-mail…

    That’s Obama action alert… leaving out the ‘action’ just shows what a racist you are, by assuming that the black man is incapable of taking action by himself.

    I denounce you (and myself for good measure)!

  79. The Other Ed says:

    Senator McCain said today:

    “In 21 months, during hundreds of speeches, town halls and debates, I have kept my promise to level with you about my plans to reform Washington and get this country moving again.”

    Well, what do you think Senator Obama was doing during all those months? Exactly the same thing and guess what John?

    After listening to both of you, the people look like they are choosing Sen. Obama’s plans.

    Sorry John, no sale. Time to go back to your day job.

  80. Dread Cthulhu says:

    And if Obama wants to make a good showing of the Keating Five matter, he’s going about it in an odd fashion, what with him using Glenn as a surrogate.

  81. Carin says:

    And, I denounce Sashal for linking hilzoy.

  82. […] Jeff Goldstein: Thankfully, someone in his campaign convinced him to listen to the conservative base (and even those like me who viewed his unwillingness to make a tough case as a sign of his weakness), who have been pleading with him to take the case to the American people, and to confront Senator Obama on his ties to the crisis (and his campaign’s ties, on the advisory level, to those principally responsible). […]

  83. happyfeet says:

    Oh. I choose John McCain’s plans over Baracky’s cause Baracky promised to take public financing but he lied. He lied about not being friends with Bill Ayers, who likes blowing up America. Baracky lies a lot, really. I trust John McCain a lot better.

  84. happyfeet says:

    I trust John McCain a lot better cause he doesn’t lie all the time like Baracky does.

  85. N. O'Brain says:

    Could it be that the markets are tanking on the expectation of an Obama victory?

  86. JBean says:

    Does anyone remember the first black man to be allowed in the ALL WHITE Major League? Jackie Robinson was selected because everyone knew that to be successful in integrating a BLACK MAN into the white man’s game, he would have to be slow to anger because he would have to suffer a lot of insults. The insults came from his own teammates, the fans and other citizens. He kept smiling and that was what was needed.

    Stuff it, Cleo — I grew up in Brooklyn, 10 minutes from Ebbet’s Field. We — little white kids of blue collar immigrants — loved that guy. When you saw him play, the rickety old stands filled with half black and half white, there was no thought of integration or anger or any other damn thing — just the cry “Jackie Robinson, hit that ball!”  You want to call him something? Call him a uniter, for us, in Brooklyn.

    Don’t dishonor his memory by comparing him to the privileged, corrupt divisive charlatan now running for the highest office of the land.

     

  87. N. O'Brain says:

    This is good, stolen from The Corner at NRO:

    “Obama Doesn’t Pass the Mainstream Smell Test [Peter Kirsanow]

    As Mark Levin notes below, Obama presents himself as mainstream. I suspect that almost every Cornerite could make each of the following statements:

    * My career was not launched with the assistance of an unrepentant terrorist.
    * My pastor has never said “God damn America.”
    * I don’t think our troops are “just air-raiding villages and killing civilians.”
    * My spouse doesn’t think America is a “downright mean country.”
    * I’ve never sat on a board with an unrepentant terrorist.
    * I’ve never directed millions of dollars to radical organizations.
    * I’ve never opposed requiring medical care for babies who are born alive.
    * I bought my home without assistance from a convicted felon.
    * I’ve never taken my kids to a church whose pastor thinks AIDS was created by the government.

    If Obama’s mainstream, most Americans are extremists.”

  88. Warren Bonesteel says:

    Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 10/6 @ 2:28 pm #

    Jeffersonian: “I’ll get my pistol.”

    “I’ll raise you a carbine and a couple of rifles… ;)”

    What? No shotgun brigades? Geez. I thought youpeople were serious…

    In related news, the Dow closed below 10 grand and should drop another 4%-5% during the next day or two. (which means that it is 28% – or bit – down from a year ago.)This afternoon’s ‘rally’ from -700 down was based on a rumored international rate cut that just ain’t gonna happen.

    Of course, trying to fix a busted economy by using the very Keynesian theories which got us here – is a bit like asking your local pyromaniac to put out the house fire that he started. The rampant corruption in D.C. was just a bonus, kinda like asking the pyro’s buddies to help put out the fire …by throwing gasoline on it.

  89. thor says:

    Psst, has anyone looked at the polls today?

    Make that Hooters waitress keep welping for 29 more days!

    O! is the 1!

  90. kelly says:

    In 21 months, during hundreds of speeches, town halls and debates, I have kept my promise to level with you about my plans to reform Washington and get this country moving again.”

    Well, what do you think Senator Obama was doing during all those months?

    He sure as hell wasn’t doing any legislating. Y’know, what senators are elected to do. Come to think of it, it was still the same story when he was in the state legislature. Fucking shakedown artist.

  91. John Lynch says:

    I think there are whole train loads of unused cans of whoop-ass parked somewhere underneath the Whitehouse. The House and Senate minorities have been refusing their shipments for sometime. and the Decider-in-Chief hasn’t been using his either. ‘Course, some of it has expiration dates and the original issues are now accepted wisdom.

  92. urthshu says:

    Do we have a contingency plan for impeaching Obama yet?
    /I’m looking at you, Rove.

  93. Bob Reed says:

    I’ve said several times over the past two weeks, in part to gird myself, that Mav was simply keeping his powder dry until the the bailout deal was struck; so he couldn’t be legitimately blamed for queering the deal by any but the most hyper-partisan/criminally culpable Democrats of the sycophantic MSM…

    He’s been letting O! essentially call him a liar for the same time in order to provide the opening for an appropriate response; like the ones he and his campaign are using to unload on him with now…

    Also, he didn’t want to go with it too soon and allow the fifth column an opportunity to bury the assertions without a debate in the offing; an opportunity for him to talk past the MSM and directly to the American people…

    I mean, he’s old, and remembers the advice of William Prescott at Bunker hill…

    Don’t shoot until you see the whites of their eyes !

    I denounce myself…

  94. Bob Reed says:

    ROVE!

  95. MarkJ says:

    Yeah, that’s all [McCain] has to do is look meaner, nastier, angrier…………that’ll do it.

    Yeah, as opposed to The One staring soulfully into the glorious Soviet future like an Agitprop poster child.

    Kinda like this….

    http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Soviet_Poster_Doug.jpg

  96. Patrick says:

    Comment by thor on 10/6 @ 2:56 pm #

    Psst, has anyone looked at the polls today?

    Make that Hooters waitress keep welping for 29 more days!

     Quick, open another thread so thork can cut and paste this little gem again!  It’s comedy genius, I tell ya!

  97. urthshu says:

    >>Yeah, as opposed to The One staring soulfully into the glorious Soviet future like an Agitprop poster child.

    They should just plaster those, really big ones, all over the place. Every Main St. in the USA.

    Then I could really get into character….smuggling cigarettes and samizdat down the canal, hording canned foods, carving bullets out of soap, drinking bath tub vodka….

  98. hoot says:

    No serious economist believes Fannie and Freddie caused the financial crisis. Look at Phil Graham for the real culprit. Or don’t, it’ll just keep you from the circle jerk.

  99. oh, did you come back to ramble about nothing again, hoot? who is Phil Graham?

  100. urthshu says:

    hoot is a serious economist.

  101. urthshu says:

    OT: Hey all, this is actually some pretty cool history, about the “battle of Athens” in the ’40s. Real ‘community organizing’, not that fake stuff.

  102. kelly says:

    You’re an ignorant little partisan fuck, hoot. You don’t have the slightest idea about how this mess was caused. Hell, even your talking points suck.

  103. hoot says:

    Oh kelly, you are truly a foul mouthed idiot. And partisan. And a loser. And your mamma stinks. So eat me. In the end, the world is going to be more and more scary and incomprehensible for you. So sad.

  104. insult… insult… insult… yep, no substance.

  105. hoot says:

    “WHY!? WHY!? WHY do so many people not believe Obama to be a commie fascist? Jeff writes pithy blog posts about it so it must be true!!”

  106. urthshu says:

    Let’s all have some coffee and laff about looking forward to a Depression.

  107. WHO IS PHIL GRAHAM? ENLIGHTEN US HOOT!

  108. hoot says:

    Substance is wasted here. It only slows down the circle jerk.

  109. WHY WON’T YOU SHARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH US? I’M LISTENING!!!!

  110. hoot says:

    maggie, try the googles. But keep jerking!

  111. urthshu says:

    oh noes, i don’t think baracky is a commie fascist. he’s just a commie. your kind are the fascists.

  112. so you don’t like the Washington Post? HELP ME HOOT!

  113. hoot says:

    “my kind”. Ooooh! The hate, it just drips from your mouth!

  114. how is the Washington Post responsible for the economy, hoot?

  115. urthshu says:

    no no I’m drinking tea. its not hate.

  116. kelly says:

    hoot, dear lad, you’re in over your head. Substance? Please. You’ve got nothing but assertions and invective. I’ll second maggie, if you’ve got the chops, give ’em up. Otherwise go fuck yourself, you whiny little prick.

  117. hoot says:

    As a regular here, maggie, you are beyond help. Just build the underground bunker, fill it full of food and ammo and whatever else you’ll need, and disappear. It’ll be better that way. Oh, and cancel your internet. You won’t be needing that.

  118. Rusty says:

    #70
    Thank god! After a full day of designin’ and weldin’ and machinin’ and whatnot, and havin to mow the lawn as soon as I got home, I thought it was me. With cleo your never in danger of anything he says making any sense. He’s dependable like that.

  119. hoot says:

    I’m in over my head. Yeah, sure fucknuts. Whatever makes you happy big thang.

  120. no, hoot, enlighten me. Please? WHO IS PHIL GRAHAM?

  121. Why does he hate out economies?

  122. hoot says:

    Your capslock key is sticking, maggie.

  123. so, you don’t know who Phil Graham is?

  124. urthshu says:

    hoot is a laff riot. should be doing stand-up

  125. Jeff G. says:

    GET IN YOUR BUNKER’S WINGNUTS! THE TIME OF O! AND HOOT! HAS ARRIVED!

  126. hoot says:

    Oh, and “whiny little prick”? Please. This from the crew of know-nothings with too much time on their sticky hands who stalk people who say bad things about Jeff. Talk about whining.

  127. kelly says:

    We’re waiting, pal. If you’ve got something to say, say it. Otherwise, you’re just another whiny adolescent. Go on, line it out for us. Show us your brilliant insight as to why we’re in a financial meltdown. Or admit you don’t have a clue, punk.

  128. hoot says:

    My advice is given purely out of compassion.

  129. TOPIC SHIFT! c’mon hoot, SHOW US YOUR BRILLIANCE!!!

  130. hoot says:

    Dude, I’m saying it. Haven’t been paying attention, eh?

  131. ha ha, you’re stupid.

  132. urthshu says:

    compassion? i thought it was teh funneh

  133. you never told us who Phil Graham was.

  134. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I’m sure we’d all “stalk” hoot if he tried to leave this place.

    Probably break into his house and boil his bunny or something.

  135. sashal says:

    I personally enjoy the demolition the neocons inflicted on the republican party.
    Well deserved. Filthy scum should get cleaned or let to sink to the bottom, enough of it floating around.
    I expect 4 or more years of the democrats trying to clean your mess ( and unfortunately they may use some socialistic methods for this) thanks to you, assholes.

  136. hoot says:

    What kind of retarded game do you THINK you are playing, maggie? You are a grownup, using the internet. Take the initiative and do a search. I’m not your mother.

  137. kelly says:

    Then say it again. Why are we in a finacial meltdown? Be specific. Dazzle us with your acumen. Punk.

  138. What kind of retarded game do you THINK you are playing, maggie?

    the one where you can’t spell.

  139. BJTexs says:

    hoot is a funny little owl. That assumes that “funny” means bitter, overbearing, semi-clueless and utterly devoid of a topical comment whilst engaging in insults worthy of third grade recess.

    TROLL OWL!

  140. PHIL GRAHAM!!!! BWAH HA HA HA HAaaaaa.

    but you’re smart and know stuff.

  141. well, I’m LOL’ing, BJTexs.

  142. thor says:


    Comment by kelly on 10/6 @ 4:19 pm #

    We’re waiting, pal. If you’ve got something to say, say it. Otherwise, you’re just another whiny adolescent. Go on, line it out for us. Show us your brilliant insight as to why we’re in a financial meltdown. Or admit you don’t have a clue, punk.>/blockquote>

    And look who is talkin’? Punky Brewster with a head full of Rush Limbaugh and mouthful of Sean Hannity. A genius.

  143. N. O'Brain says:

    Owl’s are supposed to be wise.

    They ain’t.

  144. kelly says:

    Bring it on, Einstein. What specific actions/inactions from what institutions/entities lend to this financial crisis? What’s a “credit default swap”? How about a CMO? What’s a sub-prime loan and who was buying them? What’s a GSE?

  145. urthshu says:

    hoot is a caricature. a cartoon. if he turned sideways, you wouldn’t see him no more.

  146. BRD says:

    Hoot –

    Sorry – I am late to the game here as I am not necessarily a constant commenter. I did want to ask if you could give a really quick paragraph fleshing out your point. I mean you did link and all, but a very, very brief digest to orient your link and give a bit of context would be helpful for those of us late to the game.

    BRD

  147. urthshu says:

    thor, otoh, reminds me of this. he’s teh funneh kool aid man.

  148. kelly says:

    Easy there, thor. You might like to know what I do for a living before you get too far down that road, son. Genius.

  149. BRD says:

    Thor –

    Upthread you noted:

    0! is the 1!

    Were you trying to say Obama is a zero? That’s a rather disrespectful thing to say about a Presidential nominee.

    Or, were you trying to say that Obama lives in a binary world, a Manichean world without nuance. A world of black and white, if you will?

    BRD

  150. Jeff G. says:

    Hoot —

    If you have the time to post in this thread, you have the time to answer me in the last, I suspect.

    Jeff, I’m sure you are just tingling with anticipation over my responses to your oh-so-level requests. Keep tingling, I don’t play games.

    Whistling past the graveyard, pissing in the wind, smoking a cigarette while your house burns down, whatever you want to call it. That’s what’s going on here. And I encourage you and your lackeys to push this “democrats caused the collapse of our financial system” meme. It’s a real fucking winner, there.

    Just to remind you, that was your response to my request that you back up your assertions and engage the arguments made by either Mr Hardy or me.

    And even this is a bit ridiculous: I can point to a number of posts over the last several months that deal with just about every issue on the table. I put this to another troll the other day, and now I’ll put it to you: what besides economic policy, tax policy, animating political philosophy and ideology, judicial philosophy, position on the war(s), taxation, health care, military readiness, use of diplomacy, relationship with allies, NATO, relationship to Israel and the Palestinian territory, attitude toward free speech — and I’m sure there are other topics I’ve written on wrt Obama — would you like to discuss?

    As to whether or not discussing the Democrats’ role in the current mortgage crisis is appropriate — you seem to think I should be talking about something else, given that this is not a “winner” in your estimation — well, why don’t you drop a note in the suggestion box, and if I like what I find, maybe I’ll write on that, instead.

    Mean time, I think I’ll stick to what’s topical — even as I’m able, thanks to the nature of this site, to cover a number of topics a day.

  151. sashal says:

    hey, kelly,
    landslide, republican filth caput.
    Get it?

  152. BRD says:

    Sashal,

    Given your pronounced allergy to the “neocons”, I would imagine that you would be relatively guarded about some of the sweeping assertions and promises made by the Obama campaign. Among the many things Obama is doing, campaigning as a realist doesn’t seem to be one of them.

    BRD

  153. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by Semanticleo on 10/6 @ 4:29 pm #

    Do you speak English?

  154. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    kelly, all you need to know about thor’s financial acumen can be discerned from the fact that just last week he was touting buying euros.

    Good idea? You folks be the judge.

  155. kelly says:

    hey sashal,
    don’t care.
    Get it?

  156. urthshu says:

    sashal make big trouble for moose and squirrel

  157. kelly says:

    smen proof ponchos, actually. Wearing one right now.

  158. sashal says:

    sure you don’t
    hahahahaha

  159. thor says:

    I’ve installed Trollblowtorch version 3.0 with the colonimploder service pack 2.5. Nothing but red on my screen. A bloody mess of words is all I can see whenever BMoe posts!

    His lower intestines are filled with red embers! Burning half-baked turds are gonna come right through my high-speed connection! Find shelter!

  160. Pellegri says:

    I think hoot is a pretty cool guy. eh baits wingnuts and doesn’t afraid of anything.

  161. kelly says:

    No, I don’t care about you, specifically. I’m sure you’ll forgive the misunderstanding.

  162. royf says:

    Well by the looks of the trolls posts the DNC/MSM talkings points memo on all the issues McCain raised in his speech today, they are certainly not talking about them. And everyone knows they can’t do any rational thought.

    So we get schoolyard taunts.

  163. Pellegri says:

    thor doesnt afraid of anything either.

    Awesome.

  164. sashal says:

    kelly, don’t I remember you from 7th grade parties – the one everyone prayed the bottle would never point to?

  165. kelly says:

    Da, comrade.

  166. N. O'Brain says:

    “#

    Comment by Pellegri on 10/6 @ 4:41 pm #

    I think hoot is a pretty cool guy. eh baits wingnuts and doesn’t afraid of anything.”

    Idiots admiring idiots.

    Quelle surprise!

  167. Idiots admiring idiots.

    um…

    oh, she’s got her arms crossed, doesn’t she?

    ;D

  168. thor says:


    Comment by kelly on 10/6 @ 4:32 pm #

    Easy there, thor. You might like to know what I do for a living before you get too far down that road, son. Genius.

    Maybe you work in the cage of a major retail brokerage firm’s branch office! Assistant to an assistant? The suspense of your employment is killing me. I’m off to watch ESPN. Post your career plight and I’ll reply with something snarky tomorrow.

  169. urthshu says:

    It accounts for O!’s popularity, N.O’Brain

  170. urthshu says:

    Hey, KOOOL AAAAID!!
    /o yeah!1!

  171. N. O'Brain says:

    “I’m off to watch ESPN.”

    That’s where he gets all his political news.

  172. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Hey, KOOOL AAAAID!!

    I really wish Belushi had been allowed to do that “Hey, Koolaid!” skit with him playing Jim Jones.

  173. royf says:

     Opps!

     

    Well by the looks of the trolls posts the DNC/MSM talkings points memo hasn’t arrived on all the issues McCain raised in his speech today, they are certainly not talking about them. And everyone knows they can’t do any rational thought.

    So we get schoolyard taunts.

  174. happyfeet says:

    Baracky’s NPR has “Republican” cunt Diana Nelson dismiss the whole Ayers thing as silly silly silly. That would be the Diana Nelson who hosts Baracky parties at her house and gives Baracky her monies. Baracky’s NPR is getting sloppy.

  175. yeah, happyfeet, just saw Maura(?) Liasson on Special Report downplaying the Ayers thing. Their kids went to school together!

  176. B Moe says:

    Their kids went to school together!

    Which, as I just posted in another thread, is pretty damn strange when you consider the twenty year age difference between them.

  177. Rusty says:

    #170
    Runner in the money pit? Did you know that thor has been hit in the face a thousand times? It’s true. He told me.

  178. Sdferr says:

    Mara will never suffer the consequences of her cruelty. She will grow old and happy with Linda and Cokie.

  179. N. O'Brain says:

    But…but…but…CHARLES KEATING!!!!!

  180. Rusty says:

    #72

    Had you heard Obama was thin-skinned? I’ve only heard about
    McCain’s exploding aneurysms.

    Not even remotely funny, shit for brains.

  181. Mara will never suffer the consequences of her cruelty.

    yeah, I was kinda disappointed that nobody jumped on that. so I was thinking maybe I was confused about it.

  182. JD says:

    oh, she’s got her arms crossed, doesn’t she?

    Damn straight, she does !

  183. Sdferr says:

    Susan and Nina will be there too. And they’ll all have a jolly old time.

  184. Pellegri says:

    Sorry, I forget the “Pretty cool guy” meme wasn’t here yet. ;)

    eh doesnt afraid of anything!

  185. Rusty says:

    #119
    Not a commie. Just a weak willed tool. But hey. Go ahead and vote for him.

  186. Pellegri says:

    Yes, crossing my arms. thor’s too busy watching sweaty men in spandex jumping on each other to be a threat.

  187. oh, his kids weren’t even born when he and Ayers first met.

  188. N. O'Brain says:

    Barack and Bill, BFF

  189. Jeffersonian says:

    Baracky’s NPR has “Republican” cunt Diana Nelson dismiss the whole Ayers thing as silly silly silly. That would be the Diana Nelson who hosts Baracky parties at her house and gives Baracky her monies.

    I’m betting David Gergen and Kevin Phillips showed up to that hootenanny.

  190. dre says:

    Do you know about the McCain – G.Gordon Liddy connection? Wery interesting but stupid.
    http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/rowan.htm

  191. N. O'Brain says:

    This is good, from NRO:

    http://justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html

    From tiny acorns, corrupt politics grow.

  192. Sean M. says:

    oh, his kids weren’t even born when he and Ayers first met.

    And he was only, like, eight when Bill’s girlfriend ‘sploded herself. So there.

  193. Sean M. says:

    I’m betting David Gergen and Kevin Phillips showed up to that hootenanny.

    And Kathleen Parker’s invited to the next one.

  194. B Moe says:

    oh, his kids weren’t even born when he and Ayers first met.

    I was talking about this, Maggie,
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Ax_on_Ayers.html
    “Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school,” (Axelrod) said. “They’re certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together.”

    Obama’s girls are 6 and 9, Ayers youngest is 27. How exactly would they “go to school together”?

  195. Sean M. says:

    Obama’s girls are 6 and 9, Ayers youngest is 27. How exactly would they “go to school together”?

    Maybe Bill’s kids aren’t very bright.

  196. happyfeet says:

    Baracky and his Axelrod are liars.

  197. BRD says:

    Happyfeet,

    Please drop me an email, if you would.

    BRD

  198. happyfeet says:

    oh hey – yes, i will – this evening – it’s 2 minutes until they unlock the door and we get to go home

  199. Jeffersonian says:

    Maybe Bill’s kids aren’t very bright.

    So that’s what you get with a D.Ed., eh?

  200. dre says:

    Obama/Biden : Wery interesting but stupid.

  201. sashal says:

    McFart and his Schmidt are liars. Big time

  202. Jeffersonian says:

    So Bomber Bill is just a guy in O!’s neighborhood, Sash?

  203. N. O'Brain says:

    “#Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 6:13 pm #

    McFart and his Schmidt are liars. Big time”

    After 20 years of attending that BLT church, Barack Obama never noticed what was going on.

    After 20 years of hanging around with that thug Ayres, Barack Obama never noticed that he was a terrorist.

    Who’s the liar again, sashweight?

  204. sashal says:

    you are, nobrain.

    I am just getting warmed up.
    I will tell you about Keating, about Liddy, Hagggie, trooper, taxes, Alaska Independence, stupidity, lies etc, etc.
    Do you want me to go on? Moron.

  205. N. O'Brain says:

    This is good, from Patterico:

    “Now that the McCain campaign has launched its attack, the response today by Obama further establishes that they have genuine fear over how it might play out.

    First, they drag out the Keating Five scandal. Not only is it ancient, not only was McCain exonerated by an independent investigation, and not only did the Senate Ethics Committee find he had done nothing wrong, McCain has worn his error in judgment in acting on behalf of a constituent as a “Red Badge of Courage”, citing it as the foundation for his career-long effort to combat the influence of special interests in the legislative process. Even Andrea Mitchell was voicing skepticism this morning when interviewing an Obama campaign official about whether this pushback had any real substance behind it.”

  206. Jeffersonian says:

    Yeah, when they lead with Keating, you know they ain’t got much.

  207. ooooooh, tell us about Hagggie, please.

  208. mgl says:

    Will sashal tell us who “Phil Graham” is?

    Because hoot seems to have vanished.

  209. Sean M. says:

    And when they counter Teh Wright Stuff with “Haggie,” you know they ain’t got shit.

  210. N. O'Brain says:

    “#Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 6:21 pm #

    you are, nobrain.

    I am just getting warmed up.
    I will tell you about Keating, about Liddy, Hagggie, trooper, taxes, Alaska Independence, stupidity, lies etc, etc.
    Do you want me to go on? Moron.”

    Please do, demonstrate once again what a mindless, lying, talking-point spewing, unoriginal fucknozzle you really are.

    Keating? KEATING??????

    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAS

    You moron, McCain was exonerated by the fucking prosecutor.

  211. sashal says:

    ancient? why are you scared….nobrain( I know the raign of repub incompetence is over) It shows real connection, not imaginary BS by republican filth

  212. royf says:

    Hey in 2004 they just made up a scandal out of whole cloth. The Dems out of Texas forged Texas Air National guard documents and funneled them through mouthpiece Dan Rather.

    I don’t think it matters much what they have they will just make shit up, The complicit media will never call them on it but instead treat it like it might be valid.

  213. N. O'Brain says:

    Haggie?

    Wright.

    I win.

  214. sashal says:

    really , jeffersonian, they got not much, would you bet your money on it?

  215. And when they counter Teh Wright Stuff with “Haggie,” you know they ain’t got shit.

    yes, well, the extra “g” is for godbothering. ;D

  216. N. O'Brain says:

    “not imaginary BS by republican filth”

    Wright.

    I win again, asshat.

  217. B Moe says:

    Hey in 2004 they just made up a scandal out of whole cloth. The Dems out of Texas forged Texas Air National guard documents and funneled them through mouthpiece Dan Rather.

    Don’t forget Tom DeLay. Any word on a trial for him yet?

  218. mgl says:

    ancient? why are you scared….nobrain( I know the raign of repub incompetence is over) It shows real connection, not imaginary BS by republican filth

    And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords!

  219. dre says:

    “I will tell you about Keating”

    Tell me about John Glenn?

  220. sashal says:

    I think we are looking at this the wrong way, guys .

    Seven years after 9/11, the Democrats have nominated a black guy whose dad was from Kenya, whose middle name is Hussein, whose pastor said “God damn America,” who apparently “launched his political career” in the living room of a guy who was in a terrorist group.

    The result? They’re going to easily win the Presidency and have commanding majorities in both the Senate and the House.

    That’s how out of touch the Republicans are right now. And Sarah Palin can wink at Joe Sixpack all she wants, it’s not going to change that.

    I just love the demise of anti-American GOP.
    Clean yourself from the neocon filth, and may be then you will have a future as political organisation, idiots….

  221. urthshu says:

    C’mon already! Tell us the story!

  222. N. O'Brain says:

    The Keating Five consisted of an exonerated McCain and 4 Democrats.

    Are your SURE you want to bring that up, moron?

  223. dre says:

    “I know the raign of repub incompetence is over”

    Bwarney Fwranck, Chuck U. Schumer, SanFranNan, Barack Hussein Obama

  224. urthshu says:

    >>The result? They’re going to easily win the Presidency and have commanding majorities in both the Senate and the House.

    The result? We go over a cliff. No brakes.

  225. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by dre on 10/6 @ 6:35 pm #

    5 or 6% approval rating for the Democrat controlled Congress.

    President Bush laughs at them.

  226. dre says:

    “I just love the demise of anti-American GOP.”

    I like projection so late in the evening.

  227. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Tell me about John Glenn?

    The same John Glenn who’s on the trail for Obama, to be specific.

    (and to be clear here, Glenn was exonerated, just as McCain was)

  228. sashal says:

    Obama will, idiot.
    And Liddy
    And idiotism
    And lies.
    And incompetence
    And economic collapse
    And Alaska independence
    And the witch doctor
    and 95% Bush vote
    did I miss a lot? Probably.
    there is no end to your fuck ups.
    Big books will be written about it pretty soon

  229. kelly says:

    Suck it, thor. You deserve it.

  230. N. O'Brain says:

    “And the witch doctor”

    OOOGA-BOOOGA!

    You fucking moron, even you lies are lies.

  231. sashal says:

    john Glenn running for something?
    Is he related to convicted felon Liddy who was trying to subvert the constitution of the USA?

  232. dre says:

    “And Alaska independence”

    Baracky will just give it back to Putin. To make amends don’t cha know.

  233. kahall says:

    Comment by maggie katzen on 10/6 @ 5:25 pm #

    oh, his kids weren’t even born when he and Ayers first met.

    Can anyone spot the straw man in the above post?

  234. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 6:41 pm #

    Well, you’re running against President Bush.

    Moron.

  235. dre says:

    “Is he related to convicted felon Liddy”

    I agree: convicted felons should not have the right to vote.

  236. mgl says:

    And idiotism

    Ah, so you have a personal interest in the outcome, sashal. In the glO!riO!us utO!pia, you will be healed!

  237. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Can anyone spot the straw man in the above post?

    You mean the “straw man” where Bambi’s spokesman claimed that their kids went to school together?

    Funny, because in my dialect of English “straw man” and “lie” are two different things.

    Is English your first language, kahall?

  238. Jeffersonian says:

    really , jeffersonian, they got not much, would you bet your money on it?

    If you’re putting money on the Keating Five, I want part of that action. How much you goin’ for, bright boy?

  239. Sean M. says:

    And economic collapse

    Barney Frank
    Maxine Waters
    Chris Dodd
    Franklin Raines
    James Johnson
    O!

  240. Can anyone spot the straw man in the above post?

    um, “Comment by kahall on 10/6 @ 6:42 pm #” ?

  241. sashal says:

    bottom line.
    The republican scum screwed up the country.
    Honest conservatives should renounce their membership in GOP or kill themselves in shame for supporting those assholes….

  242. does “kahall” mean straw man in some other language? I don’t know, not being fluent in any other languages…

  243. sashal says:

    257, you are an idiot, or may be just brainwashed by the lies coming from the team approved sources…..

  244. Pellegri says:

    I think at this point sashal’s just randomly searching terms on google, copying the page summaries, and pasting them together to make comments.

  245. gee, sashal’s not even trying anymore.

  246. Sean M. says:

    B-but…Haggie!

  247. N. O'Brain says:

    #Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 6:46 pm #

    You do realize, do you not, that you are quite insane?

  248. dre says:

    “Honest conservatives should renounce their membership in GOP or kill themselves in shame for supporting those assholes….”

    This is very good type of projection. Can you guess which kind?

  249. Sean, you’re short a “g”

  250. B Moe says:

    Liddy was trying to subvert the Constitution? Democrats have a Constitutional right to leak confidential information in a time of war? Well that certainly explains a lot!

  251. dre says:

    G. Gordon Liddy: Bad Ass Great AMERICAN. America not Africa.

  252. N. O'Brain says:

    “Democrats have a Constitutional right to leak confidential information in a time of war? Well that certainly explains a lot!”

    See Times, New York.

  253. Sean M. says:

    Haggggggggggggggggggggggie!!!1!!11!one!eleven!!!

  254. also, I’m not sure why he’s spelling it with an “ie” instead of an “ee” but whatevs. maybe it’s a different person, like PHIL GRAHAM.

  255. dre says:

    I like Graham Crackers.

  256. qwfwq says:

    God I love TrollHammer. Have any of you used it on NO’B?

    I suspect most of the people here missed your remark–if you know what I mean….

  257. N. O'Brain says:

    Haggee.

    Haggis.

    Coincidence?

    I think not.

  258. urthshu says:

    >>“Honest conservatives should renounce their membership in GOP or kill themselves in shame for supporting those assholes….”

    Gotta vote first.

  259. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by qwfwq on 10/6 @ 6:54 pm #

    Ah, but notice he posted that after I belittled the fucktard. Again.

  260. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    And where do Hagfish enter into it?

  261. sashal says:

    269, hey , dre, fucktard.
    Why do you hate America and her laws?

  262. urthshu says:

    My prediction: IF Obama gets in, with all the rest of the Dems as you want, sashal…. they will be fully as awful as you imagine the GOP is now, and much worse, since it will be in everybody’s face.

    They will destroy a good portion of what’s left of the economy, needing another massive bailout.

    The people will likely conclude both parties are crap at that point.

  263. Darleen says:

    Obama, Pelosi and Reid running America (into the ground).

    Obama = Depression.

    Time to put in a vegetable garden and hide it from the neighbors.

  264. kelly says:

    It’s for your own good, Darleen.

  265. sashal says:

    darleen, we are already doing that.
    best tomatoes and cucumbers in the neighborhood

    urthshu,
    I hate pre-emptive worrying

  266. ThomasD says:

    Darleen, don’t hide the garden, boobytrap it. Neighbors make excellent fertilizer.

  267. Jeffersonian says:

    Why do you hate America and her laws?

    God DAMN Amerikkka!

    Now where have we herd that before?

  268. sashal says:

    darleen, wake up, sweety
    Bush= depression.
    Are you o’k honey? Just woke up ?

  269. sashal says:

    you “herd” it from S . Hannity who is anti-semite lover.
    Need proof?

  270. urthshu says:

    so you don’t think ahead. ok

  271. B Moe says:

    I hate pre-emptive worrying

    rofl.

  272. Sean M. says:

    Need proof?

    That would be nice for a change.

  273. Jeffersonian says:

    Dang it…I hate when I’m even as remotely illiterate as you, Sash.

    I think it was this gentle man of the cloth.

  274. dre says:

    I like desperation so early in the evening.

  275. Jeffersonian says:

    Kinte cloth, that is.

  276. dre says:

    “Bush= depression.”

    Only if you have BDS. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah!

  277. sashal says:

    here, brainwashed ones. Read this. And remember FOX brainwashed you thoroughly, you idiots lost any ability for an independent thinking.

    Calling the Anti-Defamation League, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, David Brooks, and other defenders of Jewish people against slime artists of all political persuasions:

    Sean Hannity’s Fox News Sunday night kitchen-sink sewer job on Barack Obama, complete with a sound-track cribbed from C- porn flicks, features prominently, as witness of Obama’s iniquity, one Andy Martin, “author and journalist,” and, though not identified as such on Fox News, perennial political candidate in four states.

    Among Martin’s contributions to fairness and balance, this nifty aphorism: “I think a community organizer is someone who was in training to overthrow the government of the United States of America.”

    Martin previously crawled out from under a rock, according to Matthew Mosk in the WP, to “take credit for posting the first article to assert that the Illinois senator was a Muslim.” More recently, he claimed, contrary to fact, that Obama, whom he called a “media witch doctor,” has “locked his granny away and refused to allow her to be seen” in order to “pretend he has no white relatives.”

    Martin has been crawling beneath the rocks for quite some time.

    According to no less a source than the Unification Church’s impeccably right-wing Washington Times of December 22, 1999:

    In 1986, when Mr. Martin ran as a Democrat for Connecticut’s 3rd Congressional District seat under the name “Anthony R. Martin-Trigona,” his campaign committee filed papers saying its purpose was to “exterminate Jew power in America and impeach U.S. District Court of Appeals judges in New York City.”

    The Washington Times’ reporter, Ralph Z. Hallow, went on to say: “a Connecticut federal judge finally barred him from filing any more federal lawsuits without permission. The judge said Mr. Martin has pursued legal actions with ‘persistence, viciousness, and general disregard for decency and logic.'”

    Hallow went on:

    In a New York bankruptcy case, he referred to a judge as a “crooked, slimy Jew.” During the bankruptcy dispute, he filed a civil-rights lawsuit claiming Jewish bankruptcy judges and lawyers were conspiring to steal his property. He asked a court to bar “any Jew from having anything to do with plaintiff’s property.”

    In another motion in the case, he wrote: “I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did, when Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property.”

    According to Hallow, he “ran for the Republican nomination for governor of Florida against the incumbent, Bob Martinez, in 1990. The Florida Republican Party disavowed him because he previously ran for office as a Democrat and because of his anti-Semitic statements.”

    This is Sean Hannity’s idea of a source.

    Does Bill Kristol care? David Brooks? Abe Foxman?

    John McCain? Sarah Palin?

    TPM

  278. ThomasD says:

    They are terrified. Obama has been knocked off message and they are scrambling to come up with a response. I’m sure there’s a lot of expensive planned advertising that will now go unused. So sad.

    But really these are just symptoms of a deeper problem, a problem his campaign knows they cannot defeat, because to confront it, even to mention it, is to confirm it.

    I don’t think Obama thinks he is hiding anything from the people.

    No seriously. He thinks Ayers et.al. are merely a problem for the ultr-right. It’s his handlers who know better. His handlers have a working knowledge of the American electorate. They know that Ayers, Wright, etc. all go down as smooth as a crushed glass cocktail.

    Obama, due to his upbringing, years spent out of the US, and his sheltered existence of ivory tower and Chicago politics simply has no clue what the American people are like. He truly does not know what he needs to say or do, all he know is that his advisers have told him about topics he needs to avoid, and he has attempted to do so.

    The left loves to talk about politicians who are dangerously out of touch. Well, that’s Obama, they know it, and they fear that too many people stand to recognize it in the near future. That’s what the Obama camp fears, that the collective effects of Wright, Dohrn, Ayers, and even Michelle, will betray his fundamental disconnect with American values and distinction is what will crush him.

  279. sashal says:

    dre, please, I do not need more evidence that you are an utter moron, fucktard and padla.
    Yes, Bush and depression are forever together and it is for the jhistory books now, retard.
    And , please, try to follow American laws and do not support the ones who are against our constitution..

  280. ThomasD says:

    and that distinction is what will crush him.

  281. lee says:

    I hate pre-emptive worrying

    That was most excellent Sashal.

    You should do that on a Obama bumpersticker!

  282. dre says:

    “a sound-track cribbed from C- porn flicks, ”

    Do you have a url for this?

  283. Jeffersonian says:

    You were bound and determined to post that no matter if anyone gave a shit, weren’t you, Sash?

  284. dre says:

    “Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 7:29 pm #

    dre, please, I do not need more evidence that you are an utter moron, fucktard and padla.”

    Sarah, Sarah Sarah! GO Barracuda!

  285. Patrick says:

    Sashay, where did you cut and paste that from.  Delusions R Us?

     One sentence I did like:

    The judge said Mr. Martin has pursued legal actions with ‘persistence, viciousness, and general disregard for decency and logic.

    If we could only get a judge to make that statement about Henry Waxman, we’d go a long way towards cleaning up Congress.

  286. Jeffersonian says:

    In 1986, when Mr. Martin ran as a Democrat for Connecticut’s 3rd Congressional District seat under the name “Anthony R. Martin-Trigona,” his campaign committee filed papers saying its purpose was to “exterminate Jew power in America and impeach U.S. District Court of Appeals judges in New York City.”

    I’m thinking this dude would be a good deacon over at TUCC.

  287. royf says:

    Yes, Bush and depression are forever together and it is for the jhistory books now, retard.

    Well sasha there is only one way that will happen and that’s for the Dems to not only win the Presidency but also a super majority. If McCain wins then there will be real investigations and there will be a lot of Senior Dems  which will end up in the net. There will be some Repubs as well but mostly it will be Dems and could include 0.

  288. sashal says:

    are you talking about Hannity and anti-semite, jefferson?
    Absolutely.
    Eat your own shit, dumbasses
    Support your anti-semites….

  289. sashal says:

    well, royf, we will see what dems will do.
    But the depresiion is happenning right now, under Bush presidency, and after the republican congress 1994-2006

  290. Patrick says:

    And sashit, you talking about our Constitution is quite a hoot (oops, bad pun, that). It’s got a capital C, fucknozzle.

  291. sashal says:

    303, yes, moron

  292. dre says:

    “Support your anti-semites….”

    JERUSALEM – The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe” and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231

  293. Patrick says:

    But the depresiion is happenning right now, under Bush presidency, and after the republican congress 1994-2006

    Amazing that gas prices are doubled and stock prices are down a third since the Dems took over Congress.  But you probably missed that fact because you are depresssiied.

  294. Jeffersonian says:

    are you talking about Hannity and anti-semite, jefferson?
    Absolutely.

    Well, Sash, from your posting I gleaned a few things:

    * He ran as a Democrat and a lunatic anti-semite in 1986. It’s not apparent the Democrats had a problem with him.
    * He ran as a Republican in 1990, also anti-semitic, and the Republicans had a big problem with him.
    * No idea if he’s still an anti-semite or, if he is, that Hannity is aware of the fact.
    * What this has to do with McCain is anyone’s guess.

    It doesn’t strike me as bad as Obama’s former top foreign policy advisor wanting to invade Israel to save Hamas’ bacon.

  295. urthshu says:

    >>But the depresiion is happenning right now, under Bush presidency

    And you fkrs rub your hands with glee. Can we question your patriotism now?

  296. sashal says:

    well, Patric, pizdju
    You may care about the capital letters, I care about the Constitutional letters , raspizdyaj.

  297. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by Semanticleo on 10/6 @ 7:27 pm #

    “President Bush laughs at them.”

    I drink his milkshake……”

    That’s his seman, seman.

  298. dre says:

    “#Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 7:41 pm #

    303, yes, moron”

    Paid for by Muslims for Barack Hussein Obama.

  299. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 7:11 pm #

    Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 7:11 pm #

    darleen, we are already doing that.
    best tomatoes and cucumbers in the neighborhood”

    Who’d you steal them from?

  300. sashal says:

    314, I own a retail business.
    That shit hurts me, so no glee, mudak

  301. Patrick says:

    sashal, you wouldn’t know the Constitution if it was fifteen feet tall and beating the crap out of you.

  302. Patrick says:

    идиот

  303. sashal says:

    BTW, guys, IF you want to know what all those invective mean in my posts
    ask thor.
    Russian has dozen times more dirty words then English, what a shame….

  304. royf says:

    Move there sashal

  305. sashal says:

    is that it, patrick.
    I am sure you can do better, just look out the window. see Russia? or Moon?

  306. dre says:

    “Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 7:47 pm #

    314, I own a retail business.”

    Joey Hairplugs likes you little brown people.

  307. sashal says:

    why, royf ? Do you own this country?
    Or your totalitarian inclinations told you to make this statement

  308. N. O'Brain says:

    Um, sashweight, you do realize do you not, that you can see Russia from Alaska?

  309. N. O'Brain says:

    Oh, and that you’re insnae?

  310. Jeffersonian says:

    Move there sashal

    Why? If he sticks around here and O! slides into office, it’ll be just like home in no time.

  311. dre says:

    “I am sure you can do better, just look out the window. see Russia?”

    From where? Little Diomede Island? Barack Hussein Obama stuck on Gilligan’s Island.

  312. ThomasD says:

    you wouldn’t know the Constitution if it was fifteen feet tall and beating the crap out of you

    I believe you meant to say ‘six foot twenty and beating the crap out of you.’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foqOtlrPCN4

  313. Patrick says:

    Sorry, sash. It’s been 35 years since I took Russian. Now that I know I have an audience, I’ll brush up.

  314. N. O'Brain says:

    Do you know what I just realized?

    I’m afraid of an Obama Presidency, not only because of his fascist tendencies, but the fact that insane fucks like sashal support him.

  315. sashal says:

    jefferson, you idiots have no clue what the real socialism is.
    Wait when the democrats( as they always do) will fix all your repub shit spills and clogs , so your sorry ass can say thank you again( or may be not, repubs are ungrateful assholes)

  316. dre says:

    “Wait when the democrats( as they always do) will fix all your repub shit spills and clog”

    BWarney FWanck is going to fix Freddie and Fannie? Gaydom ensues.

  317. RTO Trainer says:

    I care about the Constitutional letters

    Sashal, you billious Weasel;

    You don’t even know what the “Constiutional letters” are.

  318. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 7:58 pm #

    jefferson, you idiots have no clue what the real socialism is.”

    120,000,000 dead people do, however.

  319. sashal says:

    another bottom line.
    you guys are pathetic.
    Do you even ever accept any responsibility for your own fuck ups?
    Can you be honest for once and admit, that GOP had screwed up the country? And no matter how spineless dems had voted with them.
    Repubs were in charge all this time.
    Majority of people hate you, deservingly so.
    Hope for 2012 or 2016, not before.
    GOP is getting slaughtered in this election.
    Wake up, brainwashed ones….

  320. N. O'Brain says:

    “BWarney FWanck is going to fix FWeddie and FWannie? Gaydom ensues.”

    T,FTFY.

  321. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 8:05 pm #

    another bottom line.
    you guys are pathetic.
    Do you even ever accept any responsibility for your own fuck ups?”

    120,000,000 dead people ask the same question.

  322. sashal says:

    nobrain, what the fuck are you talking about, moron ?

  323. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by sashal on 10/6 @ 8:12 pm #

    nobrain, what the fuck are you talking about, moron ?”

    Um, sashweight, you are one ignorant, uneducated fuck-up, do you know that?

    The depths of your primitive callowness are boundless.

  324. lee says:

    Majority of people hate you, deservingly so.
    Hope for 2012 or 2016, not before.
    GOP is getting slaughtered in this election.
    Wake up, brainwashed ones….

    Sashal, do you mind if we count the votes first, or should we just take your word for it and install he who’s middle name must not be spoken?

    Your say so do mean a lot, Comrade.

  325. N. O'Brain says:

    No wonder you support Obama.

  326. Jeffersonian says:

    It’s tiring when people ventriloquize the entire American population.

  327. N. O'Brain says:

    “Sashal, do you mind if we count the votes first, or should we just take your word for it and install he who’s middle name must not be spoken?”

    Voldamort’s middle nmae is Hussain?

    Who knew?

  328. cynn says:

    Let me get this. The Economic Stimulus Package of March’08 or so gave us our magic incentive, mad money, as well as the ability of Fannie and Freddie to expand their liability to jumbo loans over seven grand. I ask you, who is more likely to get such loans, and are they really worthy investments?

  329. sashal says:

    we will see,jeff.
    I am just enjoying the poll from NC the red state forever, with Obama lead 8 points.
    GOP is getting slaughtered, no matter how many nasty lies and smears you habitually can come up with

  330. cynn says:

    …and where did McCain, that great public trustee, stand on that issue?

  331. Bob Reed says:

    Sashal,
    Please stop the talking point recitital; especially the part about the budget surplus when the eeeeeeevil Chimpy BusHitlerBurton took office. It’s just insulting for anyone who actually pays attention to budget wonkery.

    Anyone paying attention to all of the Peace Dividend bull being shoveled by former President Clinton, knows that around the same time he deftly had the Social Security Trust fund, a seperate trust that Reagan and Tip O’neil did the political heavy lifying on to get set aside from the general fund, merged back into the general revenues. Indeed, that is one of the reasons that it will start bankrupting us as a nation in less than 20 years-because we’ve been spending the money instead of letting it grow as it should have…

    Any Questions? Go to I.O.U.S.A.com and you see a presentation on it…

    And as for the Dow? Puh-Leeeez! Anyone who wasn’t spending their time skate-boarding at that time knows that the dot-come bubble had just burst as well as the collapse of Enron; and the market, and the overall economy, were already sliding downhill headfirst…

    So please, spare us the whole Democrats run the economy better meme; those who lived it know that argument is simply smoke and mirrors…

    Or does pointing that out make me a RAAAAAAAAACIST!!11!1eleventy!111!!

  332. Sean M. says:

    Repubs were in charge all this time.

    Funny, but I could’ve sworn the Dems won back control of congress in 2006. Just my imagination, I guess.

  333. royf says:

    Well looks like the DNC/MSM talking points memos have been received.

  334. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Close tag.

  335. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by royf on 10/6 @ 8:39 pm #

    Well looks like the DNC/MSM talking points memos have been received.”

    Are they still using faxes or have the obamabots upgraded to the new Barack Nasal Implantâ„¢ Mk II?

  336. royf says:

    My guess would be suppository

  337. sashal says:

    is Sarah Palin posting as Bob Reed now?
    Or just both prefer to answer the questions they created in their own heads, not the ones that were actually put for discussions.
    Sometimes I am thiking, is the majority of repubs really that stupid and vapid ?
    Then I watch Palin’s BLATANT OBVIOUS LIES AND cheering from the supporters and all the doubt is gone

  338. B Moe says:

    is Sarah Palin posting as Bob Reed now?
    Or just both prefer to answer the questions they created in their own heads, not the ones that were actually put for discussions.

    Seriously, Bob. Can’t you see sashal is busy arguing with Sean Hannity right now?

  339. cynn says:

    Spies, I dismiss out of hand your attempt to toss this shitpile into Obama’s lap. I can’t recall how many times I entreated my congresspeople since 2004 to shut the easy money faucet. Never worked; we’re screwed now.

  340. Darleen says:

    Capitalistic economic systems go through periods of expansion and contraction. A wise government only interfers as much as it is needed to keep the swings shallow. There was a housing bubble in the early-mid 90’s, the dot com run up and bust was a feature of the Clinton admin.

    The contemporary housing bubble, fueled greatly by the market interference by GSE’s was bound to burst … but the unrealistic leveraging, fraud, gaming, etc … made this down swing more severe. The subprime meltdown has dragged down other parts of the ecomony because so much liquidity was tied up in bundles of good/bad risk.

    So what to do when the lack of credit threatens solid businesses and individuals? Make liquidity a priority or shut down the flow of capital?

    Hmmmm…. think about it? /snark

    Obama’s proposals – restriction of trade, confiscatory taxes – will shut down the flow of capital. Wrong moves at the wrong time … by ignorance or design (in order to force society away from capitalism and into socialism) … Barry’s SPECIFIC PROPOSALS will worsen the economy and WILL turn a recession into a Depression.

  341. Darleen says:

    sashal

    Palin is only lying in Biden’s alternate universe. Is that your address now?

  342. cynn says:

    Darleen is some kind of sadistic Mother Superior. Amen!

  343. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Spies, I dismiss out of hand your attempt to toss this shitpile into Obama’s lap.

    In other words (as usual) you’re going to refuse to read a link which proves you to be dead wrong.

    You asked McCain’s position on the ESP. I answered. He supported it. So did Obama.

    Those are facts.

    Sorry.

  344. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    By the way, I thought the ESP was a bad idea.

  345. royf says:

    I don’t have a link but I just read that Anderson Cooper just did a investigation into Zeros and Ayers connections, even had Stanley Kurtz on.

    They determined that Zero has been lying about the extent of their relation.

    Strange world we live in, maybe all the booing and heckling at the Republican rallies is having a effect. Na no way!

  346. cynn says:

    Spies, so what? So what if McCain, Obama, and the Vienna Boys Choir supported the fucking thing? Is that not an inkling of how blinkered and/or ignorant politicians were and are? They have been politically shepherded and rushed through a process not of their own making or design.

  347. Darleen says:

    I’m definitely a superior mom, but I never got beyond RCIA.

  348. Bob Reed says:

    Actually Sash ol’ girl,

    I was re-butting the tripe you posted in comment #48, thank you very much…

    Sheeeesh, if you cant remember your own drivel from such a short time ago, how can we evah trust your facts without some references…

    And, how does that help in reciting lord O!s daily talking points; how does it help m’lady Michelle’s children???

    Just pitiful how cultism ruins the mind…or the minds ruin the cult…or O! will ruin the country…

  349. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    So what if McCain, Obama, and the Vienna Boys Choir supported the fucking thing?

    Then your point becomes completely moot?

    Another fact: the whole Fannie/Freddie Ponzi scheme was a Democrat operation from the get-go.

  350. Bob Reed says:

    Sorry B Moe, I thought Sash was addressing moi…Hard to tell though, she seems mad at the real world…

    Good thing she’s got that fantasy one goin’ for her…

  351. cynn says:

    “Another fact: the whole Fannie/Freddie Ponzi scheme was a Democrat operation from the get-go”

    Sorry, you’ll have to prove it. Not a fact.

  352. cynn says:

    Oh, Spies, apply this where appropriate; it’s one of your favorite bromides: “It might be true, but it’s wrong!”

  353. Darleen says:

    cynn

    when proof is offered to you, you won’t look at it.

    You are smuggly secure in the winter jacket you’ve made of your own prejudices.

  354. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Sorry, you’ll have to prove it. Not a fact.

    I don’t know why I’m bothering, since you’ll refuse to read the links, but….

    Fannie Mae was created as part of FDR’s New Deal.

    Hint: FDR was not a Republican.

  355. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Oh, Spies, apply this where appropriate; it’s one of your favorite bromides: “It might be true, but it’s wrong!”

    To the best of my recollection, I’ve never uttered that phrase in my life.

  356. cynn says:

    Darleen: I wouldn’t dream of sewing my own jacket of itchy prejudices. That’s what the Koreans are for.

  357. lee says:

    I believe you SBP.

    It doesn’t even make sense.

    Unless your drunk I suppose…

  358. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Odd, isn’t it, how many people like cynn seem to think that “greedy Republicans” would willingly lend money to people who weren’t likely to pay it back?

    How fucked in the head do you have to be to believe that?

  359. cynn says:

    What’s your point, Spies? You want to lay this disaster at the democrats’s feet, and I’m saying you can’t. OK? We disagree; shut up already.

  360. lee says:

    From the storyline: It was for the CEO bonuses.

  361. sashal says:

    Red Sox won.
    g’nite, brainwashed

  362. lee says:

    Cynn, do you get the spins when you stick your fingers in your ears at sing LA-LA-La-LA like that?

    Just curious…

  363. Darleen says:

    You want to lay this disaster at the democrats’s feet, and I’m saying you can’t. OK? We disagree; shut up already.

    shorter cynn: [fingers in ears] LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA

  364. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    You want to lay this disaster at the democrats’s feet, and I’m saying you can’t.

    I’m right and you’re wrong.

    We disagree; shut up already.

    Bite me.

  365. cynn says:

    Do you mean if I click on those damn orange things it won’t corrupt my computer??

  366. Darleen says:

    sashal’s talking to himself again

  367. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    How long have you been on the web, cynn?

    Hint: “those damned orange things” are called “hyperlinks”.

    No, none of the ones I posted will “corrupt your computer”.

    If you have problems with your computer getting “corrupted”, I suggest that you:

    a) Stop using Internet Explorer (if you are).
    b) Dump Microsoft Windows.

  368. cynn says:

    Whatever, guys; if you have something substantial, get back. Otherwise, have a nice hot tub session.

  369. lee says:

    Darleen,

    Oh no,
    too slow.

    =)

  370. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Translation: you’re invincibly stupid.

    Enjoy your fantasy world, cynn.

    You won’t even look at information that’s on Fannie Mae’s own site.

  371. RTO Trainer says:

    Саша верит в UFOs и не понимает Конституцию.

    Саша – billious ласка.

  372. Jeff G. says:

    cooties. them’s got cooties, the orangey thingers does.

  373. RTO Trainer says:

    Cynn, plenty substantial has been posted, by the host foremost, and amplified and elaborated on in comments.

    Is it really necessary to lay it all out, every time it comes up?

  374. lee says:

    Don’t you hate it when the imperial ones want to get in the hot tub with no clothes?

  375. Is it really necessary to lay it all out, every time it comes up?

    yes, because she’s blacked out since then. at least once.

  376. Darleen says:

    BTW — ANYONE? Did anyone tivo SNL last saturday?

    NBC has been scrubbing it’s site and the internets of all copies of the Pelosi/Frank “CSPAN Bailout” skit. Comment threads, too.

    It’s got Dem fingerprints all over it.

  377. cynn says:

    RTO, I like to think I’m perpetuating the discussion. And maggie is a profound harpee bitch.

  378. Sean M. says:

    cynn, you do know who RTO is in relation to maggie, right?

    This should be fun…

  379. lee says:

    God cynn!

    You are stupid.

  380. Darleen says:

    lee

    you insult the genuinely stupid with that comparison

  381. cynn, you do know who RTO is in relation to maggie, right?

    I’m sure she does, it’s come up before. whatevs. she can “think” whatever she wants.

  382. cynn says:

    I thought about that the instant I posted, and I regret it. That’s how mad this fucking disgusting campaign has made me. I hate to admit that I’m hoping to see the twitchy old man get smacked tomorrow. But that’s no exuse for inexcusable blurts. Sorry.

  383. cynn says:

    Now Darleen, on the other hand, can fuck the other hand.

  384. lee says:

    Yeah Maggie, it’s just she could have said it to you if she was going to say it.

    Telling RTO that was stu(oops, hi Darleen)…RETARDED!

    I mean it kinda takes the sting out of “harpy bitch” when she is being a miserable cunt.

  385. royf says:

    Yeah sashal and cynn communism is just great, Here is one of the best communism vrs capitolism comparisons I have ever seen.

  386. meh, she just gets carried away sometimes. we just sigh and say “that’s our cynn”. she’ll come back around to reasonable at some point.

  387. Darleen says:

    Cynn

    You’re the type of person Heinlein was thinking of when he wrote

    A state that required a bare minimum of intelligence and education – e.g., step into the polling booth and find that the computer has generated a new quadratic equation just for you. Solve it, the computer unlocks the voting machine, you vote. But get a wrong answer and the voting machine fails to unlock, a loud bell sounds, a red light goes on over the booth – and you slink out, face red, you having just proved yourself too stupid and/or ignorant to take part in the decisions of grownups. Better luck next election! No lower age limit in this system – smart 12-yr-old girls vote every election while some of their mothers – and fathers – decline to be humiliated twice.

    someone should drop off a case of generic vodka on cynn’s porch on Election day so she’ll be too drunk to find her polling place.

  388. Pellegri says:

    Screw it.

    Menethil in 2008!

    You know a man by the quality of his followers, and I’d take a bunch of mindless flesh-eating zombies over the local crop of trolls.

  389. lee says:

    meh, she just gets carried away sometimes.

    Like when she falls off her barstool?

    Like after the guys with the net recapture her?

    Like on the days she forgets to wear her helmet?

    I got a million of ’em. A million I tells ya!

  390. JD says:

    Methinks Pellegri has her arms crossed and is tapping her foot …

  391. cynn's brain cell says:

    I’ll turn out the lights!

  392. cynn's brain cell says:

    Anyone got the short bus schedule?

  393. Pellegri says:

    Tinfoil-lined helmet, lee?

    No, cynn! It’s dangerous to go alone; Republicans see better than you do in the dark. They’re like animals–bloodthirsty, gun-toting conservative animals who can smell fear. (Deserved fear about their Constitution-crushing reign since the ascendancy of Bush II to the presidential throne, of course.)

    I wouldn’t want you to get hurt.

    (*foottap*)

  394. Pellegri says:

    Oh, I forgot since it’s been a while–I know thor, Sementickles–er, Cleo–and hoot are past the point of no return; is cynn one of the trolls I’m only allowed to bat around and chew on a little but not kill?

  395. Pellegri's Nose says:

    Please don’t pick me, I’ll have nothing left in my head!

  396. okay, quick bet on how many posts LIES, DAMN LIES will comment on….

    I’m guessing, um, five.

  397. JD says:

    Pellegri – I am not a proponent of the Do Not Feed The Troll school of thought. Whack them with a 2×4 every time they say something stoooopid.

  398. Pellegri says:

    Damn, that’s not an either-or, maggie, so I can’t say “Sucker bet.”

    JD – Me neither! I enjoy tormenting them until they start looping, at which point I know I’ve broken their programming. Like, uh, the one up there.

    HALO 2 U sockpuppet! I see you’re still in the primary grades; do you have your parents’ permission to be browsing this site?

  399. whoa, name change and it’s going to town! so far we’ve got “who’s your terrist” and “With pals like these who needs enemas”. I guessed way too low.

  400. JD says:

    maggie – Which site is that trollbot copying and pasting from?

  401. SevenEleventy says:

    thor, did you catch any fish?

  402. lee says:

    okay, quick bet on how many posts LIES, DAMN LIES will comment on….

    This one changes names but posts the same steaming pile.

    It’s up to 4 at least…

  403. I’m up to six or seven. latest name, potty humor. it’s linking back to the O! Keating site. haven’t looked for the original….

  404. Pellegri says:

    I’m assuming it’s copypasta of the post linked under the LIES DAMN LIES identifier. No?

    I didn’t check, since it’s too late for me to be visiting that part of the web. Nightmares.

  405. Pellegri says:

    Potty humor did get post #69.

    I giggled.

  406. nope, it’s not, Pellegri. and then it changed the link to the keatingeconomics thinger.

  407. Pellegri says:

    Hmm, okay. I read the URL in passing as “keating e-comics,” actually, and was momentarily confused. I mean, I do enjoy a webcomic now and then, but…

  408. oh, once more, as “Reality based” may have to wait a while for it to show up in search engines maybe… I’m not coming up with anything at the moment.

  409. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Just in: CNN accidentally tells the truth about Ayers/Obama.

    As someone in the comments said, this must be the CNN from the “bearded Spock” universe.

    Anderson Cooper looked like he was about to shit himself.

  410. Warren Bonesteel says:

    This thread requires a nerdy guy wearing a cheap cat costume.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNMBba8mlJc

  411. Sean M. says:

    As someone in the comments said, this must be the CNN from the “bearded Spock” universe.

    I bet Lou Dobbs is exactly the same in that universe. BECAUSE OF THE INDEPENDENT POPULISM!

  412. Patrick Chester says:

    RTO trainer wrote:
    Cynn, plenty substantial has been posted, by the host foremost, and amplified and elaborated on in comments.

    Is it really necessary to lay it all out, every time it comes up?

    That’s the only way she can pretend it was never given out. Lazy or clever? Guess she’d better hope lurkers won’t go searching through the archives.

  413. alppuccino says:

    Floating an idea:

    I’m a Bush guy. You know – last 300 and all that.

    But McCain has to separate himself from GW, so it’s not Obama vs. BushIII, but Obama vs. Obama.

    I’d like to see McCain start with something along the lines of:

    “A lot has been made about how the McCain Administration will be a continuation of the Bush Administration and I’d like to demonstrate why that is not true. George W. Bush is committed to preserving the dignity of the office of president to his own detriment. George Bush is a great man of faith and a compassionate man, slow to point out others’ faults, let alone their lies.

    But in times like these, in this dangerous world, decorum must be shelved when considering electing a man with no experience, no record of reform, and no answers to questions like “Why did you launch your political career at the house of a known domestic terrorist?” or “Why did you stand silent when I predicted the collapse of our economy due to the reckless business practices of Fannie/Freddie?”

    The McCain Ticket will not stand silent while Americans get only one side of the story from a liberal press bent on trading American Exceptionalism for socialism. Let’s not let NYC, Hollywood, or Chicago lead us down this dangerous destructive path.

    I’m John McCain, and I’m going to beat Obama’s ass.

  414. royf says:

    Hey alppuccino I think you have a good idea and I agree McCain needs to do his best to point out these extraordinary circumstances.

    I also agree with your points about GWB putting the office and country above his personal reputation. You can also count me among that 300 you referred to.

  415. Matt, Esq. says:

    My take on the libs I know is they are mostly holding their hands over their ears and saying “lalalalalala” over and over again. I keep telling them- I’ll be happy to debate McCain’s plans vs. O’s plans but nobody really knows what O’s plans are. So I have to resort to “attacks” on his character. Well, its what I have left if you won’t address the issue.

  416. JD says:

    alppuccino – One can dream.

  417. JD says:

    Matt, Esq. – He has plans. I know, because the trolls tell me so. They are on his website. Unfortunately for them, the plans seem to be nebulous, ever changing – depending on the audience. And, they seem to fly in the face of his actual voting record, except when he was voting present.

  418. alppuccino says:

    alppuccino – One can dream.

    It’s now or never bro.

  419. JD says:

    If the tone from yesterday carries through to the debate tonight, and Sen. McCain tosses aside the collegial attitude he has had to the undistinguished Senator from Illinois, and starts whacking him upside the head, maybe he will still have a puncher’s chance in November.

  420. TheGeezer says:

    Why is the thread disappearing into the left of my screen? (IE v6sp2)

    Any ideas?

  421. happyfeet says:

    BRD! I looked but I don’t have your email, or I’m not using the right searches… you can email me at happyfeet47 at yahoo dot com.

    Also I am not enthusiastic about a “town hall” debate. That just adds another layer of dumb I think. Also, more people to have contempt for.

  422. alppuccino says:

    I see your point Semanticleo. I’ve reconsidered.

  423. happyfeet says:

    oh. I’m not really good yet about checking that account but I will get better when I get my new system online, which should be this weekend. Maybe. There’s gonna be a lot of work involved getting it to feel right I imagine cause I’ve never used Vista regularly before. For real I don’t get what the whole orgasm over change is. All I know is I’m gonna have to redo a kajillion macros.

  424. happyfeet says:

    oh. refried beans. I got a bunch of these cause I was shopping with a friend a few weeks ago and he said these were the kind another friend buys and that guy knows food very well and is a great cook so I thought these were very likely tasty. But I haven’t tried them yet. They come from our Guatemalan friends.

  425. JD says:

    SemenKKKleo – Do you speak English?

  426. alppuccino says:

    Frijoles refritos negros?

    subliminal food?

  427. happyfeet says:

    Hi Geezer. Your browser does not play well here – you can do firefox and never have that problem is all I know. The feedback I’ve gotten is the new firefox is great you just have to go in and turn off a bunch of stupid remindery warning thingers set in the options. But I think this is mostly an annoyance if you have a bunch of plugins installed. If you haven’t used it before it might not be a big deal.

  428. alppuccino says:

    well, not subliminal any more

  429. thor says:

    Comment by alppuccino on 10/7 @ 7:22 am #

    I’m John McCain, and I’m going to beat Obama’s ass</blockquote

    I’m Barack Obama, and I’m going open a can of Geritol on McCain’s half-dead ass.

  430. happyfeet says:

    I don’t know … right now the black beans are on the shelf next to the canned pozole. It’s part of the food I keep for in case something bad happens. I have to keep enough for me and a few friends what are not very into planning for contingencies. Contingencies seem unlikely but there could be earthquakes and stuff and Los Angeles has this bird flu plan what would involve closing all the supermarkets they said at one point. That would suck.

  431. happyfeet says:

    Baracky is a lot doomed if he can’t open a for real lead in the polls. He will probably reach for something dramatic tonight. If he doesn’t then he’s being complacent and he’s doomed. But he sort of emanates fail anyway, not having ever actually accomplished anything.

  432. alppuccino says:

    happy,

    would you really want to eat black beans if there was a chance you’d get the flu?

  433. McGehee says:

    JD, the only way to converse with Semanticleo is by speaking Idiot.

    Come away from there before you give yourself brain damage.

  434. alppuccino says:

    I’m Barack Obama, and I’m going open a can of Geritol on McCain’s half-dead ass.

    Same basic concept, different candidate.

  435. Mr. Pink says:

    Since I am not a socialist/progg I do not look for government to tie my shoes, so if O! does win I will not start rending my garments and crying to myself thor. I just want you and yours to leave me the hell alone and stay away from my wallet. You seem to be wanting O! to win for no other reason as if someone was rooting for a football team and not for any actual policy or program he would implement. IMHO.

  436. Sdferr says:

    Wouldn’t Baracky look good in an airline pilots uniform? That’s is, if he could figure out that part about actually flying the airplane. But he would look good for sure, very snappy and distinguished with the cap and gold stuff on the sleeves.

  437. Mr. Pink says:

    That would be McCain’s wife Cleo. They have a prenup.

  438. thor says:


    Comment by JD on 10/7 @ 8:08 am #

    SemenKKKleo – Do you speak English?

    Evidently semanticleo speaks smackyouback-bonics.

    I’d like to see semanticleo write her name in lipstick on Sister Palins’s face.

  439. happyfeet says:

    oh. That’s a good point. The only flu nutrition tips I remember though was eat lots of kimchi. I went on a kimchi kick earlier this year and got kind of over it. Still, it’s better to be half-assed prepared than not at all. Don’t tell Mr. Reynolds I said that cause he sets a very high bar on preparing.

  440. SevenEleventy says:

    Comment by Semanticleo on 10/7 @ 8:25 am #

    Crap. I thought I TROLLSHITCANNED Magoo. I forgot my flu shot.

    Thought is not your strong suit. Try redundancy, it’s within your reach.

  441. alppuccino says:

    I’m still not convince that thor wants Obama to win. I’ve always felt that thor has taken it upon himself to get racism out there – calling people racist on a whim, to desensitize people to it. Same with Palin. He got that hillbilly stuff out right away to toughen people up. And now Palin is saying “Fuck that “racist” bullshit. I’m telling like it is! Who’s with me? Maverick?” And then Mav says, “You’re fuckin’ aye right Cuda! I’m gonna put Obama Mocha Latte ass in a Fannie Mae figure-four tonight and I’m not letting him up!”

    thor made this happen. He risked his own rep for the greater good. Bush-like.

  442. alppuccino says:

    d

  443. SevenEleventy says:

    I’d like to see semanticleo write her name in lipstick on Sister Palins’s face.

    Let her borrow your lipstick, thor!

  444. alppuccino says:

    can’t really think of anything redeeming about Semanticleo. There’s just no ‘there’ there.

  445. alppuccino says:

    this one time, at band camp

  446. Mr. Pink says:

    WTF did Reagan ever do to anybody? Didn’t he leave with higher approval numbers than Clinton? How the hell can you hate Reagan that is just stupid.

  447. happyfeet says:

    Palin has lips. That was stupid. I’m only hanging out with you cause I have no freaking idea who Kimbo Slice is.

  448. Semanticleo says:

    “WTF did Reagan ever do to anybody?”

    He was very amiable, and pliable………a tool for all seasons……..

  449. alppuccino says:

    I’m only hanging out with you cause I have no freaking idea who Kimbo Slice is.

    And now you never will.

    But once I had a fantasy that I bought a bag of M&M’s and they were all the same color.

  450. alppuccino says:

    …..oh and I once had a fantasy the the lawn mowed itself

  451. royf says:

    But once I had a fantasy that I bought a bag of M&M’s and they were all the same color.

     

    RASCIST! You are denounced and will be receiving a strongly worded letter from the Obama re-education department.

  452. alppuccino says:

    But they were all brown

  453. Silver Whistle says:

    Isn’t a Kimbo Slice one of those raisiny-pastry desserts?

  454. thor says:

    When Kimbo Slice co-stars with Sister Palin in Miami Mandingo Meets The Alaskan Milf Maverick I sure hope he lasts longer than he did in his last fight.

  455. alppuccino says:

    RASCIST!

    Wait a minute royf. I may have misunderstood your objection. But I fail to see what M&M’s have to do with Spanky, Froggy, Darleen, and Alfalfa.

  456. alppuccino says:

    Let the record show that I beat McGehee to the punch on that one.

  457. MAJ (P) John says:

    “Thought is not your strong suit. Try redundancy, it’s within your reach.”

    I have rather taken a liking to that little turn of a phrase. May I use it, please?

    Actually it reminds me of the Iranian backed terror-tards I saw around Basrah. Endless rounds of rocket fire at the Airport, where some Brits were, and all the while a division and a half of the Iraqi Army were carving them up like an Eid mutton platter… not much deep thought going on there, but they really did have the redundant part down.

  458. JD says:

    You mean like the Chimpanzees at the Circus? I hear they can be trained to do most anything, including behaving like racist pigs.

    And we are the racists?

  459. alppuccino says:

    I once had a fantasy that eating donuts brushed your teeth.

  460. Mr. Pink says:

    Well I have a fantasy that the trolls on this site started speaking English and actually posting things other than talking points or easily refuted lies.

  461. alppuccino says:

    You’re obviously high Mr. Pink

  462. Semanticleo says:

    “Let the record show that I beat McGehee to the punch on that one.”

    Does he have punch? He’s no Kimbo.

  463. SevenEleventy says:

    I’d be honored if you did, Major!

  464. Semanticleo says:

    “easily refuted lies.”

    No, really….for true. Reagan was amiable…………..

  465. alppuccino says:

    Does he have punch? He’s no Kimbo.

    So…you’re saying he does have a punch….

  466. Mr. Pink says:

    Well Cleo would you give me a reason why you hate him then?

    And yes Al I was high. They gave me these dam tylenol 3 with codeine while I wait for my crown to come in.

  467. alppuccino says:

    They gave me these dam tylenol 3 with codeine while I wait for my crown to come in.

    You’ve won some kind of painful pageant?

  468. SevenEleventy says:

    Comment by alppuccino on 10/7 @ 9:07 am #

    Does he have punch? He’s no Kimbo.

    So…you’re saying he does have a punch….

    Obviously Cleo, you didn’t see the 14 second fight(Kimbo didn’t throw a punch, but he did hit the floor), and therefore, have no idea what you’re talking about. SHOCKA!

  469. happyfeet says:

    They make those breast cancery M&Ms where they all come in shades of pink. They freak me out cause they all look like little tumors. I really don’t think these were focus-grouped at all.

  470. Mr. Pink says:

    Nah I had a shitty dentist who jacked up my fillings. A new dentist and 1600 dollars worth of dental work later I have half a tooth drilled out and 5 new fillings. I have a temporary crown in right now and I am waiting till they get one made at a lab or something and can permanently set it in my mouth. My last dentist was a freakin sadist jackass. He basically left a cavity under one of my fillings so it sat there rotting out my tooth from the inside where no amount of brushing would reach it.

  471. alppuccino says:

    He basically left a cavity under one of my fillings so it sat there rotting out my tooth from the inside where no amount of brushing would reach it.

    Oh I know this one. It’s a metaphor for datadave.

    Just kidding Pink. Hope you’re on the solid food again real soon.

    ….little tumors. That’s genius. I’m hungry.

  472. Sdferr says:

    You mean like the Chimpanzees at the Circus? I hear they can be trained to do most anything, including behaving like racist pigs.

    Well, no, I don’t mean anything of the sort. But I can certainly see where your mind goes. Which, really, is an odd place.

    I see a man, Obama, who can appear to be a “distinguished” legislator without having legislated anything remotely distinguished. Then I think of the con-artist Frank Abagnale Jr. as portrayed by Leonardo DiCaprio, dressing up as an airline pilot and fooling gullible people.

    You, on the other hand, immediately leap to a chimp in a suit and pretend a chimp can be taught to act like you do. Wow. Brilliant.

  473. McGehee says:

    Miss Cleo liiiiiiiiiiiiikes me.

  474. McGehee says:

    …and thinks I gots a purty mouth.

  475. Obstreperous Infidel says:

    Just point and laugh at semen. Seriously, why engage that?

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