July 5, 2008

The Kos Obama Birth Certificate Forgery? [Dan Collins; UPDATED]

It’s who they are; it’s what they do. Maybe (see dorkafork’s comments, below). Further, see Sara’s reproduction of Larwyn’s analysis:

It is certainly worthy of note that the “Haye I.B Ahphorgerie” image and comments were subsequently excised from the discussion thread, something that could only have been done by a site administrator or Kos himself. However, the management failed to clean up in the site archive from where these images were pulled and, as of this writing, is still publicly accessible. The suppression of the comments indicates that one or more persons at Daily Kos were involved in the attempted cover-up.

Posted by Dan Collins @ 6:28pm
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Comments (108)

  1. Who cares? Seriously, why is this an issue; do you doubt he was even born? Interesting coming from a pro-Israel site. Wonder why they give a damn…

  2. Wait, Jeff Goldstein has pro-Israel site?

    Are you sure?

  3. Who cares about fraud, cynn? Obviously, not you.

  4. Oh, so somebody posted a forgery of Obama’s birth certificate. OK, I’ll admit I haven’t immersed myself in this latest outrageable offense. But forgery bad, innapropriate interest in birth status also bad; vis John McCain and Panama, or whatever it was. Both men were duly vetted as senators, and the point is moot. What I would like to know is who is dredging up this muck and why.

  5. Well, it appears that you might direct your questions to the editors at Kos.

  6. Is Kos pro-Israel, or not pro-Israel?

  7. I find these distinctions interesting, but I’m not sure why.

    A little help cynn…

  8. McCain’s being born in the Canal Zone warranted not one, not two, but three (IIRC) articles in the NYTimes.

  9. If I were inclined to do that, I would first like to know from you: why the hell would anyone fake Obama’s birth records unless he was born on Mars and thereby ineligible to be president? Truly, this really perplexes me.

  10. Cynn: “Oh, so somebody posted a forgery of Obama’s birth certificate. OK, I’ll admit I haven’t immersed myself in this latest outrageable offense. But forgery bad, innapropriate interest in birth status also bad; vis John McCain and Panama, or whatever it was. Both men were duly vetted as senators, and the point is moot.”

    Not entirely — there are requirements to be President that do no apply to mere Senators, specifically the requirement to be “naturally born Americans.” Unfortunately, words mean things, especially when part of the Constitution.

  11. I would first like to know from you: why the hell would anyone fake Obama’s birth records unless he was born on Mars and thereby ineligible to be president?

    Because Obama’s own supporters don’t believe him, even when he might be telling the truth.

    Of course . . . the Obama campaign jumped on the certificate and claimed it was real. Which means Obama’s own campaign thinks he’s lying. Hmm . . .

  12. - Every time the Left gets caught with its habd in the toilet, we always get the chorus of “hey, no big, whats the big deal, who cares, yada yada yada, making a mountain, move along, nothing to see. ect.

    – If Buses “fake” TANK papers would have been a set of fakes concerning Kerry from a Conserative individual, you could come back in 2167 and the Left would still mention it everytime they ran a thread.

    – Et tu Brute’ cynn.

    – BTW, I don’t know if being a Senator requires the exact same standards of PONTUS. Probably, but I don’t know if thats a fact. You ca be a Senator and not have any sort of clearence, which simply means you won’t sit on any sensitive committeesm whereas the Pres. has to have a very high level clearence.

    – The implications are obvious if Obama can’t produce a valid BC. Same if it was McCain.

  13. Dead Thingie: Really, I didn’t know. I’ll take your word for it, although I seem to recall differently.

  14. Cynn,

    Neither McCain nor the mainstream rightwing blogosphere has made an issue of Obama’s birthplace, in contrast to your soulmates on the Left who tried to use Mccain’s Canal-zone birth to disqualify him from the Presidency.

    The point of Dan’s post (as I understand it) is not to question whether Obama meets the technical birthplace qualifications of the job, but rather to question the Daily Kos management,whose partisanship is so fanatical or whose ethics are so debased that they were apparently willing to commit criminal fraud in order to preempt a negligable threat to Obama’s candicacy.

  15. I think a few people around here know that I know a little about Photoshop. I just want to say that Israel Insider, Polarik, et al. do not have a clue about image manipulation. Their arguments are ridiculously amateurish.

  16. why the hell would anyone fake Obama’s birth records unless he was born on Mars and thereby ineligible to be president? Truly, this really perplexes me.

    Why, indeed.

    And why won’t the Obama Campaign settle the issue with the tug of an ear?

  17. Quite frankly, that wouldn’t surprise me re the DailyKos; they’re a political engine and they have to maintain the RPMs. So Dan can point out their equivocation, but it’s a closed system, so who cares?

  18. Maybe, dorkafork, and I agree that you’ve got the chops that I don’t have, and that they don’t, but that’s why I’m focusing on this easily (I should think) confirmed bit about attempting to scrub this particular banter.

    Why?

  19. If you care so little, cynn, why even comment on it?

  20. Ahhh, cynn, are you commenting here out of consideration, you know, to make sure no one else cares?

  21. Pingback: If Obama’s (published) Birth Certificate does not prove US Citizenship? A Remedy. at Traction Control

  22. - It must be extremely comforting at the very least, assuming Obama in fact does have the necessary document, to have to wake up each day and remember you have a certain percentage of your base, so thoroughly unethical and unhinged.

  23. Rob Crawford and lee: It must be a strange attraction, but I do come back here. I especially like the little playground taunts you guys resort to when all else fails.

    I think the Obama campaign and Obama himself should have anticipated these crap diversions and dealt with them better.

  24. Dan, if the comments were scrubbed, they were apparently unscrubbed, at least if this link works for you.

    It’s really painfully obvious that opendna took Kos’s pic and photoshopped it to make a joke. A joke that’s going over people’s heads.

  25. Cynn: “Really, I didn’t know. I’ll take your word for it, although I seem to recall differently.”

    Differently does not mean correctly…

    The United States Constitution outlines the requirements for President in Article 2. This article of the U.S. Constitution also outlines the many powers of the President and Executive branch of government.

    Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:

    be a natural born citizen of the united States,
    be at least 35 years old and have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years. In addition, the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that a President may not serve more than 2 terms of 4 years each, even if they have only served as President for 2 or more years of one of those terms.,

    On the other hand, the requirements to be a Senator are simply be at least 30 years old and a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

    Seriously, Cynn, this is high school civics…

  26. “A joke that’s going over people’s heads.”

    – If such is the case, in view of thw TANG/RatherFake fraud in Kerrys campaign, the most casual observer would say the choice of joke topic was monumentally stupid.

  27. OK Dan, granted. But I can’t imagine either candidate ran for presidency knowing he was unqualified. Would you even want someone that stupid?

  28. Okay, dorkafork, but how would you explain this joke, for us people with low-clearance heads?

  29. OOops, I meant dead guy. Still, I may have learned that shit in a month of middle school, but it’s had no relevance in the intervening 30 years. Congratz for being an ubernerd.

  30. I’ve got to surmise that this doesn’t matter. That a Kossack or Mr. Screw Them himself would post some stupid crap as authentic doesn’t phase me much. As you said, Dan, this is who they are and this is what they do. We might take it for a spin here, but the only people who will ever know about it probably aren’t going to be swayed to or from their favorite candidate.

    Yeah, it’s lefty mendacity, but so what? Water is wet, the sun rises in the east and reality is clay in your hands. No wait, not yours…theirs.

  31. “OK Dan, granted. But I can’t imagine either candidate ran for presidency knowing he was unqualified. Would you even want someone that stupid?”

    – A man who had to have a Dem president issue him a pardon do he;d be eligible assuming he’d be able to hide the truth.

    – So then cynn, did you vote for Kerry?

    – ‘Cause to tell you the truth, even after we had it nailed, I still had a hard time believing anyone could be that egotistical.

  32. - If such is the case, in view of thw TANG/RatherFake fraud in Kerrys campaign, the most casual observer would say the choice of joke topic was monumentally stupid.

    But it’s Daily Kos, not 60 Minutes or the CBS Evening News. Over there, they still think Rather had it right.

  33. Cynn: “But I can’t imagine either candidate ran for presidency knowing he was unqualified. Would you even want someone that stupid?”

    In reverse order, no I wouldn’t and, yeah, unfortunately, I can imagine it.

    Cynn: “Still, I may have learned that shit in a month of middle school, but it’s had no relevance in the intervening 30 years. Congratz for being an ubernerd.”

    You were saying about the cheaps slurs issued when lacking an argument, Cynn?

  34. Pablo, can I endlessly troll your sites looking for outrage inducing events, so I can locate and report them? Nah, too much effort.

  35. There’s rumors about Obama’s birth certificate. Kos posts a copy. opendna makes one that says “Haye I.B. Aphorgerie”. The blank one is what he was working from before he added “Haye I.B. Aphorgerie”. He could have added “Heywood Jablomie”.

    Other bloggers don’t understand EXIF data or JPEG compression and viola. Accusations of forgery get tossed.

    The arguments put forth have just been lousy. I’ve looked at the document, and I don’t see any signs of out-of-the-ordinary image alteration. This is the dumbest conspiracy theory I’ve seen in a while. Of all the things to criticize Obama for, and they’re going after a freaking birth certificate?

  36. It’s been pointed out before, but the document that Ned Lamont’s fluffer says he got from the Obama campaign is NOT a copy of Obama’s birth certificate; it is some sort of abstract. Real birth certificates have much more information on them than that thing does, including stuff like the parents’ ages and occupations, their address, the doctor’s name, the baby’s vitals, etc. Obama must be a very dishonest (or worried) guy to try to fob this thing off as an actual birth certificate.

  37. #34 cynn, I’m going to presume to speak for Pablo: sure, go ahead. Do take care not to be trampled. Believe it or not, we do enjoy your presence, at least sometimes.

    Regards,
    Ric

  38. Fuckheads.

  39. “Of all the things to criticize Obama for, and they’re going after a freaking birth certificate?

    – I’ve seen exactly zero mention of Obama being directly connected to this. Have a link?

    – If not, why would you being him into it? Anticipation? Maybe as the author at the analysis link suggests, preempting was the motivation in the first place? You think?

  40. Try going after his driver’s license next, you pathetic weezers.

  41. BBH, what do you mean “bring him into it”? It’s his birth certificate.

  42. What I mean is, a forged birth certificate would imply there was something to the rumors of him being a secret Muslim/non-citizen/etc.

  43. Oh, give me a fucking break. Even you are above this.

  44. Pablo, can I endlessly troll your sites looking for outrage inducing events, so I can locate and report them? Nah, too much effort.

    Um, which sites are those, cynn? I seem to be missing your point.

  45. That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that IF we’ve got people posting a document to protect Obama BECAUSE they want to make an issue out of McCain’s status, AND they’re willing to use whatever comes easily to hand, THEN they suck donkey dick. It has nothing to do with Obama himself.

    BUT IF Kos’s editors haven’t attempted to alter the record, THEN I’m happy to say I’m barking up the wrong tree. STILL, it’s fascinating that when I question the provenance of a document not supplied by the Obama campaign, it’s seen as an attack against Obama himself.

  46. Oh, give me a fucking break. Even you are above this.

    Huh? Who is above what, now?

  47. STILL, it’s fascinating that when I question the provenance of a document not supplied by the Obama campaign, it’s seen as an attack against Obama himself.

    Racist.

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  49. #

    Comment by cynn on 7/5 @ 8:13 pm #

    Try going after his driver’s license next, you pathetic weezers.

    Explain it to Alice Palmer.

    A longtime, widely-revered matron of the civil rights movement named Alice Palmer had held the seat for a number of years, but she announced that she wanted to run for Congress. So, Obama seized the opportunity and proclaimed his intention to run for Alice’s open seat.

    Well, Alice lost the congressional race and decided that she wanted to hang onto that hard-won state senate seat. Most of the community leaders tried to persuade Obama to withdraw and wait his turn; he was a newcomer after all.

    Instead Obama performed his first real act of political jujitsu. He sent his aides to the courthouse to carefully examine all of Alice Palmer’s signatures to see if enough could be disallowed to knock her off the ballot altogether. And indeed, some of Alice’s signatures were fake. The aides also found enough other fake signatures on opponents’ ballot initiatives to knock them off the ballot as well.

  50. Dorkafork – It’s a Certificate of Live Birth, not a Birth Certificate. Kos claimed he got it from the campaign and then Fight The Smears put it up from Kos. Opendna has been identified and is democratic operative apparently. Kos should get him to make a statement that he wasn’t screwing around with the documents if he wants to try to put it to bed.

    Why doesn’t the Obama campaign just end the controversy and release a certified copy of the birth certificate? That’s what makes the whole clusterfuck interesting to me.

  51. Alice, say hi to Rev. Wright under the bus for me.

  52. Lamont’s boyfriend claims that the Obama campaign gave him this thing to post on his site? Why would any of them claim that this is a birth certificate when it manifestly is not?

    There must be something on the original birth certificate that Obama doesn’t want discussed.

  53. Yeah. What if he was BORN DEAD?

  54. “What I mean is, a forged birth certificate would imply there was something to the rumors of him being a secret Muslim/non-citizen/etc.”

    What I mean is it’s just another day at the office at Daily Kos, but it begs the question about why a fanatic supporter has to go to the extent of forging documents to protect the candidate if there is nothing to hide. Just have the campaign put the whole issue to bed.

  55. Yeah. What if he was BORN DEAD?

    Was he born a liberal Dan? We might just be talking brain dead in that case?

  56. The authenticity of the so far produced birth certificates only matter if they are designed to cover up something even more important to consider. Is the following, sent around last night by Larwyn in an email, operable or not. If it is, Obama can’t be president.

    [.....]

    Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986. Federal Law requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone.

    US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

    Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16.

    In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

    The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

    Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Governor Schwarzenegger of California should be very interested in discovering if Obama is allowed to be elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, since this would set a precedent. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days.

    I have not researched this at all. I’m posting it for your opinions, not to promote it as legitimate or not.

  57. “Try going after his driver’s license next, you pathetic weezers.”

    – Let me see if I have this right cynn. Because we want know the nature and honest background of a Pres. candidate we’re being asked to elect to the most powerful position in the world we’re “pathetic wheezers”?

    – Somehow I think the electorate would not agree with that.

    – Interesting Sarah. As if this campaign cycle hasn’t had enough twists and turns already.

    – Does Hillery know about this?

  58. what bullshit. There are a multidude of issues under consideration.

  59. Would you care to enumerate some of that multitude, please? I ask only in order to be informed.

  60. “Dems attempt to elect Alien resident – Film at 11″

    – Now that would be a story even the in the tank Lefturd press couldn’t ignore.

  61. Big Bang Hunter: I am going to assume she does know. I left the following comment in answer to the same question over at Say Anything:

    Good Ol Boy, I thought the same thing at first [the idea that if Hillary knew, why be quiet], but think about it. If she knows this to be true, what a stroke to wait until the vote at the convention and then make the announcement. It would be the biggest “get even” move in my lifetime.

    The fallout would be gynormous, but to oust him from consideration by technicality would be delicious payback, since the nomination would fall to her, it would seem, by default.

    The mind boggles at the impact.

  62. Dan: I am disinterested in Obama’s birth circumstances. He is curiously ambivalent on that multitude of issues I’d like to hear about.

  63. Cynn, still interested in hearing what Obama thinks of the issues if he is declared ineligible to run for president?

    We will all be back to mocking Hillary then.

  64. Please, cynn, if you could be a bit more explicit about that multitude of issues. What are the important ones to you?

  65. Please, lee–he’s as American as arugula pie.

  66. Dan, a key issue is border security. I think too many people assume a lay-down is a leftist given. Not so fast; too many jobs gone and too many services evaporated. Sorry fellow lefties, but there might be a point when it comes down to slamming the door shut.

  67. I’ve read through several analyses and it appears rvident that the Certificate of Live Birth on the Fight the Smears site is bogus.

    Even though the document is still up, the site no longer refers to it’s authenticity.

  68. I am disinterested in Obama’s birth circumstances.

    Ah. A follower of the Yoneta Littlejohn school of constitutional interpretation, I see.

  69. a key issue is border security.

    But it doesn’t matter if the President has the legal citizenship requirements for the job.

    Yeah, that makes sense.

    Put away the Sterno, cynn.

  70. Dan, a key issue is border security. … Sorry fellow lefties, but there might be a point when it comes down to slamming the door shut.

    Apparently the door doesn’t include allowing illegal aliens to run for president.

  71. There you go again. Freakin’ revisionist.

  72. The document itself is not bogus; what it is purported to be is bogus.

  73. Gee, cynn, you sounded like Reagan, there, for a moment.

  74. Do you really pin your hopes on Obsms’s citizenship? Hokey Smokes.

  75. You are right cynn. Why even care about whether a presidential candidate meets citizenship requirements?

    The real question is, will President Barrack Hussein Obama talk really, really sternly about illegal immigration lest he have to threaten to slam the door shut.

    What he says he will do is more important than who he is.

  76. Do you really pin your hopes on Obsms’s citizenship? Hokey Smokes.

    Translation: “I’ve been forced into an untenable, fucktarded position. Again. Now I will start arguing about something that’s not even on the table in an effort to deflect.”

    Hint: it doesn’t work, cynn.

  77. cynn, I don’t know about anyone else, but I think it would be a disaster for this to turn out to eliminate Obama. He is not going to win now anyway, but a Hillary replacement is a much harder opponent to defeat.

  78. I hate to say this Sara, but I’m not as confident about an Obama defeat as you, and I would rather take my chances against Hillary. If she did win, the difference between her and McCain is minor anyway. The difference between McCain and Obama are vast, and I believe an Obama presidency would be a disaster.

    I would rather play high stakes poker than Russian Roulette.

  79. Sara: Snopes is your friend.

    “…the qualifications listed in the example quoted above are moot because they refer to someone who was born outside the United States. Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii [8 USC 1405], they do not apply to him.”

  80. “Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii [8 USC 1405], they do not apply to him.”

    RTO – But, but, but how do we really know he was born in Hawaii? Have we seen a birth certificate?

  81. “Have we seen a birth certificate?”

    Pbbbbt.

  82. RTO, [8 USC 1405], seems pretty straightforward to me. So where does all the other stuff come from about living in US at least 5 years after 16 and all that?

    I need to research this on my own and not expect others to do it for me, but this weekend has been exceptionally busy and then last night I broke two ribs and my brain is mush because of the additional pain. I guess my bad back wasn’t enough to satisfy the gawds of suffering.

  83. Anyone remember back in March when the presidential candidates’ passport files were “mysteriously breached?” There’s some shit going on here.

    He’s either inelligible or he is natural-born, but there’s something on that certificate he REALLY doesn’t want seen. If the MSM questions this and his campaign STILL refuses to provide a certified copy of the original…

    Plus, I believe once he secures the nomination he CAN be sued and thus compelled to provide the document.

  84. Hmmm.

    @ Sara

    “So where does all the other stuff come from about living in US at least 5 years after 16 and all that?”

    Immigration.FindLaw.com

    The wording was added in 1941, removed in 1986.

    Basically it looks like some people considered what would happen if you put millions of horny American men and mixed them with very willing women from all over the planet. This looks like a presumptive move to prevent kids from such unions from having a legal basis for claiming citizenship.

    Which really made life hard for Amerasians. Kids produced from WWII, Korean War and the Vietnam war were/are mostly screwed. A lot of kids were produced over the 30+ years of those conflicts.

  85. “Comment by dorkafork on 7/5 @ 7:18 pm #

    I think a few people around here know that I know a little about Photoshop. I just want to say that Israel Insider, Polarik, et al. do not have a clue about image manipulation. Their arguments are ridiculously amateurish.”

    dorkafork,

    If you really KNOW how to use Photoshop, I think you should be president!

  86. Hmmmm.

    @ RTO Trainer

    ““…the qualifications listed in the example quoted above are moot because they refer to someone who was born outside the United States. Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii [8 USC 1405], they do not apply to him.””

    The only problem I have with Snopes in this case is that they clearly do NOT actually prove Obama was born in Hawaii. Instead they fall back on:

    “A few facets of this claim immediately jump out as being far-fetched: first, that a sitting U.S. Senator who has already spent a good deal of time and money securing his party’s nomination for the presidency would suddenly be discovered as ineligible due to an obscure provision of U.S. law; and second, that U.S. law would essentially penalize someone who would otherwise qualify for natural-born citizenship status simply because his mother was too young.”

    Clearly Snopes is depending on the excuse that somebody, SOMEWHERE and SOMETIME, HAD to have carefully vetted Obama RIGHT?

    Yet as we have seen from Rev. Wright, Rev. Moss and the cast of other rather disgusting characters Obama had surrounded himself with over the years, and the surprises these revelations have caused Democrats, show that in fact absolutely no vetting has ever been undertaken. Probably because Howard Dean is in charge.

  87. I think the Obama campaign and Obama himself should have anticipated these crap diversions and dealt with them better.

    So, cynn?

    Obama could stop this with his real birth certifacate, eh?

  88. “Comment by cynn on 7/5 @ 7:50 pm #

    OOops, I meant dead guy. Still, I may have learned that shit in a month of middle school, but it’s had no relevance in the intervening 30 years. Congratz for being an ubernerd.”

    cynn,

    I hate to hit you twice in a row, but you have just defined the left to a T.

    …””Civics are for nerds” (paraphrase).

    “…But it’s had no relevance in the intervening 30 years…

    Oh really?

    Exactly your problem. No offense intended, but that attitude is exactly what has led to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. And Enigma Obama.

  89. Catch me up guys. Obama was raised by his “grandparents” who were in “banking” and had both of his bio parents “taken out”? IIRCC, every picture of grandpa shows him holding a fluffy, white cat on his lap.

    They may be able to keep his birth details secret, but they’ll never be able to hide his floppiness.

  90. Have you ever seen a meatloaf that was forgotten for a couple of weeks then you take it out of the fridge and remove the foil and it’s all gray and cold and gross-looking?

    That’s what Hairy Reed reminds me of.

  91. #38
    If that’s the way yer gonna be, have a cigarette.

  92. “Sorry, pig, i’ts opportunist. Ir’a”

    cynn,

    sorry for the trifecta, but… WHAT?

  93. “Now that would be a story even the in the tank Lefturd press couldn’t ignore.”

    BBH,

    Wanna bet?

  94. “They may be able to keep his birth details secret, but they’ll never be able to hide his floppiness”

    alp,

    That’s only when he’s flacid (i.e. – minus a teleprompter).

  95. Would a piece of paper prove it to everyone anyway? Some are actually pinning hopes on finding a real, authentic and true document saying that Obama is a secret Muslim? I don’t think even semi-secret, partially-undercover, borderline-sleeper-(sleepy? or just tired?)-agent Muslims are stupid enough to put that fact on their martyr-offsprings’ official documents. Are there really people who expect to see “Jihadi” in the box for Occupation?

    Obama can decide not to respond to this for a long time. If he sits on this issue and it grows, then he can defuse this bombshell when he has to. But if it really, really grows and the big talking heads touch it (people like Limbaugh or any of the big Fox News guys) then he can make one of those guys look like a lying sack of crap in front of a national audience. There’s smear control and there’s political opportunism, and even as a supporter of his I have to say he’s a damn good opportunist. Eventually, some bigwig doofus might walk into his sights on this issue and let Obama score some serious political points. Some Obama opponents are a blessing to his campaign. Kernboat Vets for Authenticity better get their PAC together, as a losing campaign needs them!

  96. Would a piece of paper prove it to everyone anyway?
    Obama can decide not to respond to this for a long time. If he sits on this issue and it grows, then he can defuse this bombshell when he has to. But if it really, really grows and the big talking heads touch it (people like Limbaugh or any of the big Fox News guys) then he can make one of those guys look like a lying sack of crap in front of a national audience. There’s smear control and there’s political opportunism, and even as a supporter of his I have to say he’s a damn good opportunist. Eventually, some bigwig doofus might walk into his sights on this issue and let Obama score some serious political points. Some Obama opponents are a blessing to his campaign. Kernboat Vets for Authenticity better get their PAC together, as a losing campaign needs them!

    I think he should wait until Halloween, dress up in a Rush mask, and shove that birth certificate in Bill O’Reilly’s face on Fox while announcing his support for the Fairness Doctrine. Dragon slain!

  97. Sara @ 82: 8 USC 1408, para 4. Which begins (and was both paraphrased and excluded by elipses in the quoted section of the e-mail you received) “A person born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a national, but not a citizen, of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person,…”

    It’s also been amended since then and specifics have changed.

  98. Comment by Saul Goode on 7/5 @ 10:32 pm #

    I’ve read through several analyses and it appears rvident that the Certificate of Live Birth on the Fight the Smears site is bogus.

    I realize I should give a couple of the reasons why I say these guys don’t know what they’re talking about. I don’t want to repeat myself, I covered most of them in this comment thread at Ace’s. The main problem these guys are making is with the time stamp in the EXIF data. If you alter a picture that already has a timestamp, the timestamp EXIF data doesn’t necessarily change. (“Save for Web” in Photoshop will strip off EXIF data, regular saves won’t.) That’s why (as I pointed out in Ace’s comments) you can find two other copies of the certificate on Photobucket with the same 8:42:36 timestamp. The idea that several different people all altered versions of the certificate at the same second is ludicrous.

    When you realize the mistake they made, the whole case falls apart. They’ve got nothing. It explains everything. Kos puts the pic up, it has a timestamp of 8:42am (2 minutes before his own post.) Other people save the image he put up, it keeps that same timestamp.

    There were some other arguments, I dealt with them over in that other thread, but they’re equally meritless. (I didn’t respond to phinn’s last comment over there because I had abandoned the thread, but he is still wrong. He was wrong to expect to see skew between letters in individual words at that resolution. But if you don’t believe me, you can look at the higher resolution version Kos put up and you can see perfectly well that the text doesn’t line up “exactly”. I should also mention that apparently Polarik found traces of a seal in the larger version, so the only thing I thought was remotely odd about it may have been found.)

    That’s really all I have to say about the subject. I don’t want to spend any more time arguing on something this retarded.

  99. Baracky is a super ally of Muslims a lot, so it’s understandable. Israel is way more unitey than Baracky could ever hope to be. Baracky would be smart to not move against Israel too quickly I think.

  100. For the record, I think this is pretty silly discussion.

    There is no Federal requirement to file to run for President, aside from FEC finance information.

    To run for nomination is a Party/State matter.

    To get on the ballot, every candidate must register with the Secretary of State of every state and meet whatever filing requirements the state shall have set, as well as any requirements of the National and State party organs.

    Every state’s filing documents reiterate the Constitutional requirements to be President. None, that I’ve found, explicitly require that documentation be presented on filing to validate those requirements, but I’ve never filed to run for office–in practice this may be different.

    If anyone (and I mean anyone) really beleives thai this could be a valid issue and has the money it’d take buring a hole in their pockets, they could file suit against the Secretary of State of their state and/or teh Chairman of their state’s Democratic Party to compel them to show on what basis they accepted the candidacy under the qualifications of a given candidate.

    As a conjecture, I’m going to suggest that were you to get a favorable judgement, there would be nothing to discover for any candidate at any time.

  101. Hmmmm.

    Frankly the definitive analysis seems to have been done at Atlas Shrugs.

    http://http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-tech-expe.html

  102. RTO, thanks.

  103. Kennethlamb.blogspot.com

    Go there. Read.

    You will see the reason that BHO hasn’t released his BC.

    He’s African Arab. Blows his “African American” heritage out of the water. His fathers side of the family, with the exception of his great great grandmother, is Arab.

    So he lied. Or lies, whichever.

  104. Hmm.

    “Kennethlamb.blogspot.com”

    It’s blank. Nothing there.

  105. Ok, just one more comment. AJ Strata wrote a good post on it here. The only thing the Atlas Shrugged post points out is that the border design is different. No shit, Sherlock. The DaCosta certificate shows a 2002 date on it, you think maybe they could’ve changed the paper design in a five year period?

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  107. Really nice=)but look this:,

  108. Some of us DO care if he was born a US citizen. NO ONE has ever been allowed to be president who was NOT born on this soil. We have rules for a reason. This country was founded on some of those rules. Electing someone who DOES NOT believe in saluting the flag and is not patriotic does NOT deserve to be elected and wear the title “commander and chief” of this country. NO ONE on this earth will ever convince me to vote for the male. period. It has NOTHING to do with his race. I just do not believe in anything he has to say and i do not agree with anything he has to say except for the what he said at the last debate. “parents you need to turn off the tv and put away the video games” amen to that. he was talking about education. we used to be this GREAT country. what happened. more so are we going to continue to let congress mess it up? WAKE UP people VOTE FOR THE REAL MAN. he was a pow for 5 1/2 years. obama has NO experience in the military. if you are reading this and saying you idiot that has nothting to do with this country. well then YOU are probably part of the problem. FREEMDOM IS NOT FREE. my friends are fighting for dummys like you to keep you free, while you sit here and enjoy the benefits. my husband served. my family served. i don’t see your butt being someone great getting out there and fighting for freedom. kids these days are not worth much. we need to change that, but not obamas way. he’ll divide this country and this world. God help us. i pray that the Dear Lord will come back before we get that bad. but this country/congress has brought it on ourselves. as the churches (all) are saying WAKE UP CAN’T YOU SEE THIS IS THE DEVIL HIMSELF. obama has you all brainwashed. when have we ever had an honest poltitican????????????? NEVER. so why would you believe that obama will fullfill anything he is promising. WAKE UP.

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