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Dems 2008: Gloating a bit at E.J. Dionne’s expense [Karl]

The Washington Post’s E.J. Dionne usually does not impress me much.  Today was no exception, even though he gets a lot right about the current phase of the Democratic campaign:

Bill Clinton has learned lessons, too, campaigning as a happy warrior in appreciative country towns. Barbara Allen, the former North Carolina Democratic chair and a Clinton supporter, said the former president’s emphasis on “the small places, places people don’t normally get to at election time,” has squared with Hillary’s emphasis on the forgotten voter.

Still, there is a hangover from Clinton’s overconfident front-runner strategy: Her failure to organize effectively in caucus states and in the primaries after Super Tuesday more than explains Obama’s lead of somewhere between 135 and 140 delegates. Obama earned a lead of 132 pledged delegates over Clinton in the caucus states alone, and he netted 73 more in the primaries held two weeks after Super Tuesday. She is in a hole that her campaign dug for itself.

Clinton’s need to focus on the forgotten voter and Obama’s cheap delegate strategy for overtaking her are the sort of things I would cover… and did, back on February 16th.  Dionne is a bit of a slow learner.  Then again, so was Clinton.

Update: Insta-lanche!

42 Replies to “Dems 2008: Gloating a bit at E.J. Dionne’s expense [Karl]”

  1. happyfeet says:

    It’s always fun to review Clinton’s hubris, and to kind of reflect on how much of an investment in that feckless woman the media is willing to write off to embrace their doomed little Baracky. It’s kind of Shakespearian really.

  2. thor says:

    “Cheap delegate strategy”? You are such a unflinching Clintonian towel boy.

    Bitterly clinging to his buttered notions, everyday there is Karl.

    O!

  3. jdm says:

    Similar to finding out how much of an investment in McCain the media will be willing to write off to embrace either one of the Democrats. So many years and so much ink to convince the American voters of McCain’s reasonable, middle-of-the-road, maverickiness.

  4. happyfeet says:

    Good point.

  5. Karl says:

    thor,

    As you have previously admitted you don’t actually read what I write, I’ note that I first wrote about cheap delegates with respect to McCain. I first used the phrase “cheap delegates” in a post about Romney and McCain.

    Moreover, I have constently complimented Camp Obama for their organizational skills and consistently faulted Clinton for not challenging Obama in caucus states. I do think that those two factors have created a situation where the candidate with the delegate lead may have less popular support than presumed (e.g., compare the caucus results to the primary results in states which have both, like Washington and Texas) — which would concern me if I was rooting for the Democrats. But there is no doubt that Obama worked the existing system better than Clinton. I have always held this opinion. And if you bothered to read what I write, you would know it.

  6. thor says:

    You’ll never be trusted to clean the blowfish, Karl. You’re not even-handed.

    Barack Obama did the tasks you described because he’s a fuckin’ political stud. And no, you have never consistently complimented him, au contrar, you’ve consistently cheapened you reputation at every chance by denying Barack Obama to be anything outside a media-constructed windmill of hope-filled platitudes. Pssst, I believe there to be slight genius to his platitudes, and the way he mirrored the Billary on the major issues – maniacal is that Marxist. You stepped into a pleated mini-skirt and started pumping the frilly poms long ago, cheerleader. If you don’t want to be cornered and hammered for your words don’t play the partisanship game.

    If campaign money was a chessboard, how did that empty-suit elitist checkmate Hillary, and you. Figure out how you lost, shill.

  7. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    You are such a unflinching Clintonian towel boy.

    Said Obama’s official cabana boy. Oooooooo, baybee, baybee now.

  8. jdm says:

    thor, your parody of an Obama nut is different than nishi’s, but just as good.

    Keep up the good work, Karl.

  9. happyfeet says:

    My favorite thing about Baracky is the part about the Hope. Ooh. And also the part about Change. I’m torn.

  10. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    No no, hf, it’s the !UNITY! because without !UNITY! we’d be, you know, apart and shit.

    I don’t like being apart.

  11. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    And those like Fidel and Daniel Noriega and Tim Wheeler, they endorse Obama not for teh Marxism but for the !UNITY!.

    They get so ronery.

  12. happyfeet says:

    Oh. To be real honest, and I’m gonna share a little bit here, teh !UNITY! a lot still feels like an impossible dream. It’s me. Not Baracky. My Barackentology auditor says he thinks I might could have a breakthrough next week though.

  13. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    Wow, one wonders what actually happens when you have a !UNITY! breakthrough. I’d stock up on hackysacks just in case.

  14. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    Oh and cough medicine. Maybe Olive Oil … and patchouli … and a nice Che T-shirt!

  15. Karl says:

    I have also consistently opined that both Obama and McCain are riding the hopeyness and changitude wave this year. And I have been consistently critical of Clinton also.

    Of course, after having admitted he doesn’t read what I write, it’s had to take thor’s critique of my overall work very seriously, particularly in light of the fact that the other regulars here consider him to have completely lost his mind.

  16. jdm says:

    other regulars here consider him to have completely lost his mind.

    Either that or he just operates on a higher plane than the rest of us.

    The Obama True Believer Plane!

  17. Mikey NTH says:

    …particularly in light of the fact that the other regulars here consider him to have completely lost his mind.

    IIRC, it began when you said something about Russia and he disagreed because he knew something about Russia, and its kind of gone from there into its own wonderful world where the sky is a nice shade of plaid.

  18. B Moe says:

    Barack Obama did the tasks you described because he’s a fuckin’ political stud

    Political studs stomp opponents in debates, and dominate journalists in interviews. Cheap opportunists snatch overlooked delegates out of dark corners when their opponents aren’t paying attention.

  19. Mikey NTH says:

    I think it is a Gordon tartan. thor’s sky, that is.

    http://tartanstore.net/tartan/Gordon-Clan/56522?filter_family_name=G:id=bE8JIbY9

  20. Karl says:

    Just for fun, let’s have a look back at my shilling for Hillary, shall we?

    Dems 2008: Are Clintonites suppressing the vote in NC?

    Dems 2008: The Thing That Wouldn’t Leave

    Dems 2008: Is Hillary Clinton voteworthy?

    Dems 2008: Capitalism has been “bery, bery good” to Clinton and Obama?

    Survey USA: Clinton up 16 percent in Indiana… or Obama up by 5 percent

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton’s rancid, asexual cream puffs

    Dems 2008: A Clintonian firing

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton’s shot at the popular vote

    Dems 2008: Clinton impeded Watergate investigation, withheld information from Congress

    Dems 2008: The “nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah” phase of the campaign

    Dems 2008: Shockingly, Bill Clinton exaggerates Hillary’s military cred

    Fridems 2008: The Hillary Clinton endorsement most media won’t cover!

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton’s billing records are magical

    Dems 2008: More Clintonites take their balls and go home

    Dems 2008: Clintonites taking their balls and going home?

    Dems 2008: Clinton organizes in PA; does it matter?

    Dems 2008: Who is the better general election candidate?

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton – Iron Lady or Terminatrix?

    Dems 2008: Must they go for Hillary?

    Dems 2008: The Clinton disorganization sputters on

    Election 2012: Clinton gets a head start

    Dems 2008: Will Clinton have a “moral claim” to the nomination?

    Dems 2008: ABC relays bizzare Clinton spin

    Dems 2008: Clinton campaign stuck on stupid

    Dems 2008: A moment of silence for the Clinton campaign

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton, the Black Candidate

    Dems 2008: Clinton lives down to expectations

    Dems 2008: Clinton Campaign Starts 5-Point Attack on Obama

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton & Jesse Jackson, redux

    Dems 2008: Hillary tries her hand at mocking the Obamessiah

    Dems 2008: Hillaryland napping on national security

    Dems 2008: The Clinton disorganization

    Dems 2008: Is Camp Clinton waking up? In time?

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton is Jesse Jackson?

    Dems 2008: It ain’t over ’till it’s over

    Dems 2008: Camp Clinton’s latest “gaffe”

    Dems 2008: The still defective Clinton machine

    Dems 2008: In which Bill Clinton does not want to complain about the media

    Dems 2008: If Obama is McGovern, why not say so?

    Dems 2008: Historians for Hillary

    Dems 2008: Is the Clinton machine still defective?

    Dems 2008: Is it only Clinton regretting her big-state strategy?

    Dems 2008: Is the Clinton coalition cracking up?

    Dems 2008: The Hillary machine lacked organization

    Dems 2008: More-than-quiet panic in Hillaryland

    Dems 2008: Quiet panic in Hillaryland

    Dems 2008: Hillary Clinton – My Worst Outfits Ever!

    Dems 2008: Exactly the news to perk up Hillary Clinton

    Dems 2008: The Clinton Insurgency

    Dems 2008: McMurphy endorses Ratchet

    Election 2008: How not to win friends and influence people

    Dems 2008: Clinton Capitalism

    Dems 2008: Harlem Not Disillusioned with Billary

    Dems 2008: What is Hillary Clinton’s position on Xenu?

    Dems 2008: Another look at Clinton Disillusionment Syndrome

    Dems 2008: Clinton Disillusionment Syndrome Update

    Dems 2008: Clinton backs seating MI, FL delegates, heads explode

    Dems 2008: Do the Clintons know what they are doing?

    Dems 2008: The Clintons poison their own garden

    Dems 2008: The Clintons are a laughing-stock (again)

    Dems 2008: The Monster Roams the Countryside

    Clintons surf wave of Reagan Derangement Syndrome

    Dems 2008: Obama discovers the power of mockery

    … and there’s more where that came from, but I didn’t want to deafen folks with all the Clinton cheerleading I have been doing.

  21. BJTexs TW/BP says:

    Geez Karl. Is that all ya got?!

    OBAMACIST!

  22. B Moe says:

    Political studs stomp opponents in debates….

    See post #20 for an example.

  23. Rick Ballard says:

    “Cheap opportunists snatch overlooked delegates”

    I don’t think that’s it B Moe. There are going to be books written about this one and the best of them will draw a bead on the Copperhead/Prog factions use of Soros money to create a very effective illusion using the “lessons learned” studies of the Dean and Kerry campaigns in combination with very basic organizing tactics from the Alinsky/ACORN manual by SEIU funded and trained foot soldiers. Sure, Obama is a husk, a Chicago machine pol with a bit gilding that’s already worn through in several places but the people who put him in play were pretty shrewd operators who did a damn good job of counting.

    If they were pedddling something which didn’t (hpefully) make the majority of the electorate puke, they’d win this one going away.

  24. Mike G in Corvallis says:

    Karl, never bother with trying to mud-wrestle a pig. Your time is better spent doing other things, you don’t get a prize if you win, you end up covered with muck, and the pig enjoys it.

  25. B Moe says:

    They had an excellent strategy, Rick, but it only worked because Clinton took them lightly. Her campaign from the start took the nomination for granted and were looking at the general election from the outset, ignoring the diehard red states and working the toss ups and blue states. That let Obama cherry pick an assload of delegates from states he has no chance of carrying in the general. Good strategy in the primary doesn’t always carry into the real election, just ask Ned Lamont.

  26. Rick Ballard says:

    “just ask Ned Lamont”

    or Adlai Stevenson

    twice

    or Hubert Humphrey

    or George McGovern

    or Walter Mondale

    or George Dukakis

    or Al Gore

    or John Kerry

    What’s that common definition of insanity?

    I continue to believe that Clinton has a few more aces up her sleeve wrt Obama’s past. McCain is too soft a target for her to pass up.

  27. Mikey NTH says:

    They were low hanging fruit that could give the appearance of popular momentum, allowing the creation of a bandwagon; and the strategy worked because of the particular rules of the Democratic Party at both the state and national levels and the schedule of primaries/caucases. Between now and 2012 those rules will change and the plans better take that into account, or you do a Hillary and enter this fight with an out-moded strategy and set of expectations. Sort of like the French high command was fighting the campaign of 1919 in 1940.

  28. Rick Ballard says:

    Or George Dukakis’ brother, Michael.

  29. Ozawa Barack says:

    @ #2

    Leggo my A-Go.

  30. Buford Gooch says:

    Is Thor “thore” from having his nether regions so thoroughly used by Obama?

  31. happyfeet says:

    thor has a valuable point of view I think. I don’t always understand it exactly. But he’s thor. Know your place.

  32. Karl says:

    hf,

    I get where you’re coming from. But inasmuch as thor spends most of his time here lying about me, smearing me as a racist, etc., I sorta get Buford’s point also.

  33. Mikey NTH says:

    That’s the ‘pig in a poke’ theory, Karl. Now that the bag is being opened thor is working overtime to let everyone know that he knew what he was buying. Because he’s smart and couldn’t be snowed and anyone that points that out is A RACIST!

    Or something else. Whatever. He’s right and you’re wrong. Remember that.

  34. Mikey NTH says:

    BTW – I used to be like thor. Then I grew up. For me it was age nineteen and I told dad a story why I wanted to work at the youth camp, and he said the real reason was because of a blue-eyed blonde.

    He was right about that; I was wrong about the blonde. Caused me to think, it did.

  35. Belvedere jones says:

    “… and there’s more where that came from, but I didn’t want to deafen folks with all the Clinton cheerleading I have been doing.”

    It ain’t braggin’ if you can back it up.

  36. happyfeet says:

    Yes. Defining racist down to where it makes no sense is never helpful. There’s them what will exploit that. Baracky, for example. NPR. Anderson Cooper.

  37. Mikey NTH says:

    It is helpful in the ‘boy who cried wolf’ sense. Of course it didn’t work out so good at the end of that story, but nevermind – the intentions were correct. WOLF!!111!!1!!

  38. happyfeet says:

    Oh. You’re exactly right.

  39. thor says:

    Fuckin’ Hillary shill, Karl, you li’l Clinton bitch!

    You got emptied and punked. You are officially Obama’s bitch.

  40. Karl says:

    thor returns hours later, does not respond to #20.

    shocka!

  41. Rufus Mabutu says:

    Barack gonna straighten up you white boys!

  42. SouthWind79 says:

    Brown is totally hopeless – the sooner he is gone the better. ,

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