On today’s episode of the ABC talk show The View, Barack Obama does the modified limited hang-out on his spiritual advisor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright:
Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church.
There is no evidence that Wright ever acknowledged that his comments were “inappropriate,” though that is an absurdly mild description of Wright’s comments.  Moreover, it seems like just last week that Obama gave a major speech in which he said that he could no more disown Wright than he could disown the black community. Indeed, it seems like only Tuesday that Team Obama was blasting Hillary Clinton’s comment that you choose what church you want to attend. Those statements appear to be no longer operative.ÂÂ
People like TNR’s Marty Peretz are probably wondering why they did not get the memo before praising Obama for sticking by Wright. Then again, Obama’s apologists should have known that Obama and Wright already had an understanding that Obama might have to distance himself from Wright.
While Pew and others ran polls which purported to show that Obama had “weathered the storm” over Wright, the internals of such polls consistently suggested that Obama had not put the issue behind him. Michael Barone noticed the erosion in state-by-state polls also.
Obama’s decision to wade back into the issue on The View suggests that his internal polling was not favorable or that he feared that people like Mickey Kaus will continue to point out that Obama was in fact drawn to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago because of Wright’s blaming “white greed” for the world’s sins, that his answers to questions about Wright and Trinity have been inconsistent at best, and so on.
So Obama makes his second run at the problem on The View — a show with the intellectual depth of a small soap dish – confident that serious questions on the topic will not be asked. Should such questions ever get asked, Obama will likely point to The View to claim he answered them.
Update: Allah-lanche! Allahpundit has the video, and suggests that Obama is speaking hypothetically. I have not had the chance to watch the clip, which was not available at post-time.  The quote is subject to that reading, which is why I referred to it as the modified limited hang-out in the first instance. It is also (imho) hypothetical from the standpoint that its sincerity would lways be questionable, based on their prior agreement noted above. I also note, however, that the “Had he not retired” is not hypothetical — Wright has retired, to a 10,000 sq. ft. house, which Allah notes seems a bit at odds with that disavowal of “middleclassness†that is part of Trinity’s “Black Value System.â€Â
Update x2: Insta-lanche!
he sexy, however. They established that. Yes. It was a truly pathetic appearance. I saw clips, mind you… but the Racist, Anti-American clips of the right rev wright were from 2002, 2003. And the right reverend wright retired when? And Oblamya stayed in the pew why?
It is shows like “The View” that make me hate my sex. I refuse to watch, even in the interest of politics and blog-commenting.
I have my limits.
Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church.
Maybe I am going too far with this, but doesn’t it kind of sound he would allow us to believe that Wright was pushed out because of the crazytalk that he has since acknowledged was wrong?
How does Baracky plan on explaining those 7 years in between Wright and Baracky’s throwing him under the back of the bus?
Can Barak Hussein Obama and his spiritual advisor for 20 years afford loyalty to the United States of America?
That may be the goal but it wouldn’t be the truth. And again, not only has Wright not uttered a word of apology, but Trinity’s new pastor terms the attention given Wright a lynching and a crucifixion, and likens Wright to Christ. I can’t wait to see if Barry shows up for church this Sunday.
It would seem that Obama’s discomfort with Crazy Jerry’s more robust fulminations is inversely proportional to his polling numbers. #3 has it exactly right: Why was Obama perfectly willing to return to TUCC for years after hearing the lunatic ravings?
But, as we know now, discussing Wright won’t fill the belly of a single hungry child who will then grow to be a faithful Democratic constitutent, utterly dependent on saviors like Barack.
Middleclassness?
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COULD OF, SHOULD OF, WOULD OF… TOO LITTLE TOO LATE BARACK OBAMA. BARACK COULDN’T EVEN LOOK IN THE CAMERA WHEN HE WAS MAKING HIS COMMENTS ABOUT REV. WRIGHT ON THE VIEW. HIS BODY LANGUAGE SHOWS HE DIDN’T EVEN BELIEVE WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
Now Obama delivers a speech then all his sins are forgiven. But he lied and lied but CNN will give him a pass, listen to Jessica Yellin, and Candy Crowley last night and they looked pathetic because, they seemed to have multiple personalities! How in the world could Obama go on the view tell Americans he would have left the church when he had a chance to do so more than 10 years prior. But keep in mind he lied he never was on the pew when statements that may be deemed ‘controversial’ had been made!
Obama lied about NAFTA and Canadian meetings so he gives a nice speech about Nafta then his lies goes away! Same goes with Hillary about her Bosnia lies, I was so disappointed, so much that if I had a voice in this elections I would have voted Mccain instead of either democratic candidate as they both lied! Now, what bothers me is how the media seems to see Clinton’s lies as a negative while Obama’s lies ‘hardly impacts him’. For, the media and obama’s campaign to bash Bill about his comments on two candidates who love America is unfortunate, honestly if there are two candidates to run in the GE both candidates would include Bill’s wife and Mccain and that absolutely nothing to do with Obama period! When I last checked Michelle Obam won’t vote for any one else unless it was her Barrack, therefore given that situation would the media had seen her comments as meaning only her husband and MMccain are good to run? At times Americans and their media behave like kids. But in this case there is a bias against the Clintons even though Hillary’s Bosnia lie puts me off as well.
Toronto, Canada
so does HotAir have the intellectual depth of a soap dish.
pot? kettle?
i think the View reaches a vastly larger audenience tho.
Oh, Bama, Do not do this. This is not good for your image. Do just say anything to get elected. Where is your integrity? Is this the change that you are going to bring to Washington? Is this the hope you promised? How long have you been sleeping in the church? Keep sleeping there.
What a FARCE! Of course Obama’s going to say that if Wright had not retired, he would have left the church, it’s the only politically correct thing to say. Talk about being a LIAR. If this had not been brought up, Obama would not have said anything. After 20 years, one would think he would have left that church long before now, unless to stay there would have put an “african american” stamp on his candidacy. This man is full of woulda, shoulda and coulda’s. Why are people so blind and stupid to still support him? How could we ever trust him in the White House. He lied about Wright, he lied about Rezko, he lied about when he met his wife (at the Selma March, yeah right???), he lied about not hearing the remarks, he has as many LIES and he has YES WE CAN’S. Wake up America, the man is a FACADE. The polls are correct, if Obama is nominated, 25-30% of Clinton supporters will vote for McCain.
nishi,
That you would even attempt to equate the intellectual level of Allahpundit with the likes of Joy Behar is yet another smoking gun as to your own intellectual dishonesty whenever Obama is the subject. Enjoy recess. There will be milk and cookies later.
Si, se puede.
“Even so, polls show that Democrats believe that Obama has responded very well, CNN’s Jessica Yellin reported. She cited a Thursday poll showing Obama with a 10-point lead over his rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton. Yellin said polls showed that “Obama appeared to rise in Democrats’ estimation after the controversy — after he addressed the Wright controversy.””
Isn’t CNN forgetting the fact that Obama’s speech was nearly two weeks ago and since then Hillary’s campaign has taken an unpleasant turn with the whole ‘sniper fire’ incident. CNN tries so hard to give their article a positive tone that they completely ignore any reasoning behind what they’re actually saying.
It’s a shame that Americans focus only on media circuses like the Rev. Wright issue. Look, first of all, news channels have to sell product like anyone else. They do this by attracting viewers. So they excite people by exaggerations and continuous replay of sound bites to bring in the stupid Americans that actually then believe them long enough to watch. So they can sell air time to a toothpaste or Viagra add. Say it ain’t so Jasper..
Come on folks .. really are you guys that blind? Really? Do you guys not have a girlfriend or other way around to keep you busy enough to not have to watch and actually believe this crap? Oh, I’m sure no one around you, if not yourself, has heard a friend say something stupid and not disowned them for it. Oh yes white Americans would never do this are you kidding me. Well most of the counter racists comments I’ve seen our here there are a lot of hillbillies in America. We take time to see a 15 seconds sound bite and believe that is the gospel (no pun). Or we never watch, but get the word an opinion from another idiot and believe it be true.
Grow up America, get a brain even if you have to buy one and maybe even read. Read? Wow that’s something new. By the way CNN, and all other, shame on you for putting this out there again!! You are the enemy of Americans and they don’t even realize this. You can’t help it if one out of ten Americans could easily labelled a dumbass, but you should not exploit this either. Yeah like that’s going to happen. Hey, maybe if your sponsors cut you off this side show might stop? Imagine a world with real news coverage instead of add sellers. Oh wait, that’s the BBC and nobody watches them here.
karl,
alla gut stoopid wile nishi wuz becumming a sufi which you wudnt no abot cuz itz a sekret.
sho me wat Allapundit has done lately Karl.
he usta cut like a memetic blade, but malkin bought him and had him pithed and neutered.
Don’t miss this selection via Christopher Hitchens‘ piece ..
Perhaps Obama didn’t hear those contraversal statements, but he certainly knew of them. What’s better is that we get to see how a “might†from a year ago slowly became he “would†a year later. That’s real decisiveness, a true mark of a leader.
kinda like this site where u now have grammas posting pics of their kids dying easter eggs.
The View is a valuable aggregator of individuals who are primarily responsible for decision-making with respect to a variety of household cleansers, including all-purpose/multi-cleaners as well as lucrative high-margin bucket dilutables.
Yeah, go find a blog or something, people! Maybe even a newspaper or a magazine? (Hint: try clicking on those orange lettery things in the post. You might stumble across something.)
But gary, how does O’Bama getting a tongue bath on The View equate to TV focusing on the Wright media circus? I can tell that you’re a really astute guy, so help me out with that one, won’t you?
feets, relative audienceshare please?
how many hotair readers versus how many View viewers (heh)?
You are the enemy of Americans
Gary – you are a tool. And a hillbilly.
And the nishidiot is a genocidal racist.
And thread after thread filling up with syntactic gibberish.
It’s a different demo, nish. No one buys on Total Viewers.
Rich Hroma is just flat out silly .. Go Obama!! Rich .. He’s going to President so might as well take down your velvet painting of G.W. and make way for something much better.
JD TWP might wish to go and clean yourself after all the excitement you had now that your back on line. Don’t forget your IPOD.
Gary – You have added so much to this discussion. We treasure your experience. Maybe you could share your personal story of conversion with us.
Media (CNN, NYT, and the likes) pandering of Obama is breathtaking. Imagine a white guy running for president who belatedly was found to have a twenty year association with the KKK and regularly attends their cross-burning ceremony. What do you think they’ll do to the guy?
Pablo .. “O’Bama getting a tongue bath on The View” thanks, I thought I was really going to have to expand on my point .. you just did it for me
Gary Typical Liberal Troll – You are wise beyond your years. We would be well served to listen to your wisdom, and obviously have great judgment. You are probably intolerant of intolerance too, which is good. Enlighten us.
Stephen .. please read my first comment from this morning.. I worte especially for you sir .. let me know if you need help with the big words
Outside of wingnuts hate American, have you actually made a point, Gary?
Post 17 – Gary…. Before you start calling people dumbasses, maybe you should review your own post and at least try for some level of intelligent writing. Basic sentences would be a good start, not to mention some moderately accurate use of punctuation. In all of the posts about Barrack and his racist pastor, I have yet to see a racist remark in return. Yet you come in calling white people “hillbillies”. Racism of any color is disgusting.
Now it’s time for you to open your eyes to this man who wants to lead the greatest country in the world. He is the one deceiving, not the “hillbillies” you so affectionately refer to. CNN and most other news organizations have been all too kind to this man and his racist mentor, and they are being too kind again to lastest rack of lies. Hillary is the one who should be most upset with the coverage since she can’t even buy a break, while Oh! Bama skates through with hardly a scratch.
No, Gary, we have plenty to do to keep us busy without your insulting sexual references, but maybe you should take a little extra time to review your own comments before hitting the “Say It!” button.
What is a hillbilly, Gary, and why do you hate them?
Gary’s sweaty, flustered man love of Obama is, I think, oddly moving.
Time for a sit down…
Like a bowel movement, BJ. Time for a colonic.
“And the nishidiot is a genocidal racist.”
Gentlemen, ladies; do not engage the TTP; you don’t want to get any of that on yourselves.
Right, but that expansion showed that your point does not exist. So, take us to the mountain, oh learned one.
JD TWP have not been in here before to comment. Personally I think just about anyone on here having a day job should get back to work. Others .. well my point gets constant affirmations.
Gary TLT – What excactly is your point? Wingnuts hate America? You hate hillbillies? Why all the hate, Gary? We would really like to learn from you obviously superior intellect, and would also like to hear your personal journey to conversion. Please share, so that we may grow.
Gary TLT – Please come back.
Gary, I find your viewpoint very interesting, and I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter …
This is so pathetic! But I guess if this is the only thing you can point to as negative about Obama,then desperation dictates that you USE IT!
Obama has been on the world stage for years. His words nor his actions have not in any way shown that he agree’s with any of the comments made by Rev.Wright. The same people that are so called “enraged” about the relationship between Obama and Rev.Wright,are the very same people that are asking that Hillary be given a “break” for lying about her experience.
Never mind that The Clintons have enjoyed financial support from several unsavory associates,some can now be described as convicted criminals. Most have also enjoyed Presidential pardons from the Clinton administration. It seems these events that are well documented do not carry the same disdain as being judged by words of another.
It seems now that since the Muslim lie didn’t work,that Rev.Wright’s views will be the stick used to beat Obama with.
I truly believe Rev.Wright has a right to express his opinions. I also submit that much of what he said is TRUE. Folks that are so ill imformed about the racial divide in this country,should be less upset about Rev.Wright,and more upset with themselves for their blatent ignorance about these matters.
If a Democratic candidate can be described by scandal or association with shady people,then it’s Hillary Clinton. But this again speaks volumes of America’s love of dirt and cover-up,because Bill Clinton was elected twice to the highest office in the land. How is it that these morally just people that are now questioning Obama’s electability,are the same people willing to over look all the negative baggage that Hillary brings to the table from Arkansas to Wahington? The GOP hasn’t forgotten!
Anyone that believes that we (as democrats) will not be embarrased by the resurrection of the memory of these many scandals if Hillary steals the nomination,is certainly NOT dealing with reality.
Maybe some of you morraly just people should watch the Hillary movie. Perhaps that will refresh your memories of what bought the Clinton presidency to impeachment.
JD TWP I do not hate .. I use the term “hillbillies” so as not to offend everyone. Figure if you think you might be a “hillbilly” hey .. most likely you are
Obama has been on the world stage for years.
You’re maybe mixing him up with Hugo Chavez?
Marge you rock
Go Obama!!
KYDem .. have a job .. writing while on the phone .. thought this was a chat not an essay .. I guess you have more time on your hands .. well hey .. please proof and submit you corrections in writing.. thank you for your concern though really
The act of putting his ass in Wright’s pew for 20 years does. So do the words of incremental backpedaling from Wright – if he was really shocked, shocked!! by Wright’s words, he’d drop him like a hot rock. Instead, he’s backing away little by little, trying to figure out how far is far enough.
BJTexs_TWP_MOUSE .. you’re from Texas?
Oooh! It’s a rally? I love rallies! Let’s chant!
O-bama, hey Bama, Bama Bama O-bama, hey Bama O-Bama! BHO, BHO won’t you tell us so, Bama hey, Bama O-Bama…
Can’t you just feel the Obama
pimpingexcuseslove, maaaaaaan?It makes me tingly all over!
Hugo’s the fat one.
So it took him 20 years to finally leave, and it was only cause the guy was retiring? Now that is bad judgment no matter how one looks at it!!!!!!!! Just politics!!!! Not a real thing at all – another case of ‘just words’!
Marge, you are right about one thing. The Clintons are scum. I certainly don’t want to use the term “hillbilly” but I think trailer trash would work.
Okay, I see that nobody out here has anything else to talk about but Obama and Rev.Wright .. here’s something to discuss “Hey wasn’t it something called “Whitewater” that caused a close particular someone to the Clintons to put a gun in their mouth and blow the back of their head off?” hummmmmm
Gary: Texas? Nope!
Now please, give me more of the slathering Obama love, the kind that makes me reach for the brown paper bag and causes my eyes to glaze over like a 30 year crack head.
OOOOO, baby, baby now … You too, Marge … baby, baby now … love to love you, baby … ooooo I’m your cracker daddy, your oppression detention obsession … baby, baby …
Marge – if you think this is the only “thing” we have on Obama, you’d be wrong. It’s a nice feint, though.
Anne .. please read more
Gary, believe me – our side was rather interested in Whitewater, during a time when most people thought it was no big deal.
How ’bout you don’t just jump into the middle of things, and assume we haven’t already covered that ground?
If you’re looking for someone to defend the Clintons, Gary, you’re in the wrong place. Mostly, we’re just enjoying the show. But I do love that you’re invoking the ghost of the VRWC and the “politics of personal destruction.” Now that is funny.
Obama has been on the world stage for years.
If you mean since he read a really nice speech at the last Dem convention, yes he has. Not because he has actually done anything.
I truly believe Rev.Wright has a right to express his opinions.
That is not in dispute.
I also submit that much of what he said is TRUE.
Your submission will require more than your assertion, and your declaration of everyone else’s ignorance.
I use the term “hillbillies†so as not to offend everyone
I know you were not referring to me, Gary TLT, but that does not make the term any less offensive. If it is wrong to be insulting to members of one race, it is wrong to be insulting to members of any race. Tolerance, and all that.
Marge – YOU ROCK! Glad you finally saw the light on the Clintons. Most of us figured that out while they were still Arkies.
Carin .. oh please do tell do tell .. enlighten us all on the bad black man .. oh, remember to pick up your sheet at the cleaners
And they call Hillary a liar??
Can Obama actually be any more full of crap?
BJTexs_TWP_MOUSE .. you really need someone .. hey try Match.com .. but go for the pictures only
Marge – try putting “Obama” into the search engine of this blog … you’ll see that our opinions of Obama delve a bit deeper than his Pastor problem. It is merely the most recent issue.
I’m your cracker daddy, your oppression detention obsession
BJ – You are on a roll.
Rob make sure not to miss Mr. Dobbs tonight CNN.. he never embellishes the truth
I am really interested in learning more about all of your underlying assumptions, Gary and Marge. You are fascinating creatures.
Gary – We have known for years that CNN was a cesspool of liars. Again, good to see that you have finally come around.
Oh, Gary, I have no time to read anything because you and Marge’s quixotic and panting Obama lust has broken my concentration. I’m biting my own hand to prevent myself from falling into a dead faint at the angelic dulcet tones of his manly voice, oh, that changetudinous hopylicious narrative that, whoa (fans self) my word, is it hot in here?
Just don’t make a mess on your computer screen, BJ. OBama spunk is hard to get rid of.
Carin .. really. Good recovery, but let’s see .. sound bite, racist remake and gossip … or man down .. hummm I’ll except that .. you are right on .. wooooo
Sorry, I didn’t know you where the comment police mamn .. I try and keep up
for all its flaws
He simply can’t not equivocate. Baracky has deep doubts about this United States of America thing I think.
JD TWP sounds like you have had experience sweetie
happyfeet .. hey maybe you are in this category of flaws
Did you see him blow his nose? OMG! That was AWESOME!
This killed any chance of Obama being elected in the general election and any attempts to sugar coat otherwise is just plain dumb. I’ve read the pastors entire speech, and there are some valid points. However, it doesn’t take away from the fact that he is blasting the way of life of the US. He is bashing the mistakes of the US in the past in their treatment of certain ethnic groups, yet spewing his own hate towards others. Hypocrite? And for Obama to stand behind him when preaching change, hope and promises for a new future is mind-boggling. Where is the change? Sounds like the same ol’ song and dance of hatred being passed to different groups of society. I’d also like to know if the pastor knows the history of Liberia? Maybe Wright would make a good extremist paster over there.
Gary, I’ve been married for almost 27 years and my wife ROCKS, but I will throw it all away in a heartbeat, inspired by you and Marge in your starry eyed word rutting for Baracky.
Oh, Baracky, speak to me from your vast experience on the world stage of changeroonies and hopementum! My heart, it races from the basis for my racist caucasionist oppression! Marge, tell me again how I might find solace and lust in damning Amerikkka!
OOO…baby, baby now …
Well, duh, Gary. I’m white.
Oh, come on, Gary. Rev. Jerry doesn’t really hate Whitey. Why you gotta keep picking on a brother?
Gary – Other than blather, do you have anything to bring to the table? So far we know that you hate hillbillies, but refuse to define. You think anyone that disagrees with you hates Americans. And, you have shown an inability to look beyond the shiny surface of an issue. And, Kyoto.
To marge – Post 46:
“Obama has been on the world stage for years. His words nor his actions have not in any way shown that he agree’s with any of the comments made by Rev.Wright.”
For years? World stage?? He gave a speech at the DNC convention in 2004 as a Illinois state senator. C’mon, put down the koolaid. Besides, I think when he was asked to come onto the “world stage” he voted present.
So you’re saying it’s alright to attend Klan meetings or an occasional Aryan campout, just so long as you don’t buy the merchandise?..Oops, Barack bought the DVDs/CDs… Oops, he’s given thousands of dollars to Trinity…
Yeah, you’re right. Doesn’t support the teachings of Trinity or Wright at all…..
Please do not engage the nishi-bot.
I’m not the comment police. I just find it strange when people show-up and start chastising us about what we aren’t talking about.
Because we aren’t talking about it TODAY, doesn’t mean it isn’t well-traveled ground.
” The same people that are so called “enraged†about the relationship between Obama and Rev.Wright,are the very same people that are asking that Hillary be given a “break†for lying about her experience.”
Wait.
Did Marge just accuse us of being HILLARY supporters?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Gary and Marge: Just think of us as the USA, circa 1985, when we were supporting both sides of the Iran/Iraq War. We’re more interested in seeing the conflict escalate and continue than either of the parties winning.
Marge may have a point.
Obama just went to Church with the pastor he had, not the pastor he would like to have had.
What always cracks me up when this subject is re-hashsed is that Wright admitted that Barry might have to distance himself from same…. after the primaries. Seems few of Barry’s sycophants thought the Dems would have issues and certainly that is from experience with their own clique. Of course no one believes the CIA/Aids or crack or any of that other crap but you can’t blame them when you know what REALLY is going on, that Cheneyburton McBlackwater is whizzing flourene into our Cheerios and torturing Tim Robbins in Havanna…
Yes, Jeffersonian! The best possible thing that could happen now would be if we found out that McCain had a secret love child with Whoopee Goldberg! It makes me all tingly just thinking about the possibility!
Scape-goat Trainee:
Yep. If you’re not with Barack, you’re for (one of) the people against him!
Because of the NUANCE!
Gary, you are way past the point of embarassing yourself here, not the least of which because it’s blindling obvious that it’s you who needs to do some reading, not to mention )while getting off your knees before your Obamamessiah) some rational thinking. If you have that capacity, that is (I’m not taking any bets).
Marge, you ignorant slut (with apologies to SNL). Your boy Baracky, along with his ball-cutter spouse, sat in that church, sucking up the Rev Jerry’s racist blather for 20 years, and even after all that has come out about Farrakhan’s Butt Boy Wright, Obama still hangs onto him. Probably because, truth be known, he (Baracky) believes all that “AmeriKKKa is e-vil/look whut de white devils done to us” hateyness. After all, to quote his own words from “The View”, “I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws”…
Now why in the Nine Billion Names of God does this moron feel the need, other than pandering to his leftwingnut base, to always make a point of saying that there is something “flawed” about this country. I defy anyone to show me any nation, past or present, that has no “flaws”. There is no such place, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows it.
Oh yes, the US is “flawed” all right. It’s flawed because there are actually people living here who think Barack Hussein Obama, moronic poseur of an empty suit that he is, has any business whatsoever being allowed within 20 miles of the goddam White House.
I hereby nominate Hillary to play the role of Saddam, just cuz Ayatollah Obama sounds so nice.
Cave Bear: You no likee teh dreamy Obamacan?
RACISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBAMA-PHOBES !!!!!!!!!!!
Clinton supporters !!!!!!!!!!
Fear is lives in most individuals but I have never in my entire lifetime watch so many paranoid white males continue with all their rhetoric scared to lose the almighty image of being the most powerful man or woman in the country. If you don’t like Jeremiah then don’t vote for him as president. Does this mean Obamas not a Muslim??? CTFU Maybe if white males scrutinized the white male candidates like George Bushs of the world our country would not be so bad off. Could anybody be worse than red blooded, take no stuff, illiterate, war crime committing George Bush.
Fear lives in most individuals but I have never in my entire lifetime watch so many paranoid white males continue with all their rhetoric scared to lose the almighty image of being the most powerful man or woman in the country. If you don’t like Jeremiah then don’t vote for him as president. Does this mean Obamas not a Muslim??? CTFU Maybe if white males scrutinized the white male candidates like George Bushs of the world our country would not be so bad off. Could anybody be worse than red blooded, take no stuff, illiterate, war crime committing George Bush.
Boy, the Obama nut jobs are out in force today.
Gee, SAM, I’d love to vote for Michael Steele. And given the slate we’re looking at, I could vote for Condi Rice.
You must be looking in a mirror, because the racism you’re seeing is your own. It’s hard out here on a white man, so don’t hate the playa, hate the game. Unless it’s Al Gore or John Kerry. You can go ahead and hate them if you like.
I understand that the level of discourse may be above your head, SAM, put please do we have to see your dreck TWICE? Once was, honestly, painful enough.
SAM – Why take off the ALL CAPS? A good loonwaffle rant needs, no, demands, ALL CAPS.
ESL perhaps, or a product of a liberal upbringing? you make the call …
Fear is lives in most individuals bu…”
Besides, everyone knows that Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
Duh.
But SAM, we’re just typical white people. We can’t help it, it’s a genetically-based thing, like ebonics. Your disparaging of it is likely a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
As long as we’re looking for other things to bash Obama about, how about his speech yesterday declaring that America is in a recession (which we’re not) and that the solution is MORE regulation?
We’ve all seen how ell the government manages the money it takes from us. Why on earth would we want them managing the rest of it?
La petite mort? I. Am. Fearless.
Obama: ‘would-a, could-a, should-a’ Right. Are these the excuses we will hear when he aligns himself with other violent racists as President?? Ug.
Pablo – The easy fix to any pseudo recession is to tax the electorate into submission.
LOL…bring it on. Jessica Alba is preferred.
Why do I keep getting reminded of that old song “Rubberband Man” when I hear Obama backtrack from a previously held position?
“I was so surprised, I was hypnotized
By the sound this cat’s puttin’ down”
“You’re bound to lose control
When the Rubberband starts to jam”
“How much of this stuff do he think we can stand
So much rhythm, grace and debonair from one man, Lord”
God has GOT to be sick of this SHIT! When will the progs wake up?
Pablo – I was thinking more along the lines of the Kwisatz Haderach. Obama is the Kwisatz Harerach of our time … come to bridge time and space … race and economic disparity. If only we don’t allow FEAR to keep us from the Obamassiah.
Well, that’s about all I can take from you pukative Hussein Obamaphiles, Gary and Marge, et al!
As a newly registered, genuine fake/authentic Dem “hillbilly, myself, now I’m just might-could going to have to vote for Ms. Alpha Hillbilly Herself in the Oregon Primary, 5/20. You TWP Patriarchical Oppressors Of Women simply can no longer be Tolerated around here in my new Church of the Talking Vaginas! However, it’s chaotic, so I still must also await Teh Numbers – from Calypso Louie, of course.
Hey Granny, Jethro – gather round the moving picture box: I think they’re going to blow up good, yeah, real good.
well, that does it. I am now a Hillary supporter. I think obama is a liar…
I did not believe a word that came out of his mouth on “The View”
His church also published a Hamas Terror Document:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59456
[…] Protein Wisdom: There is no evidence that Wright ever acknowledged that his comments were “inappropriate,†though that is an absurdly mild description of Wright’s comments. Moreover, it seems like just last week that Obama gave a major speech in which he said that he could no more disown Wright than he could disown the black community. Indeed, it seems like only Tuesday that Team Obama was blasting Hillary Clinton’s comment that you choose what church you want to attend. Those statements appear to be no longer operative. […]
Um, you?
I’d think twice before you call someone else illiterate again, Sparky.
I mean, “take no stuff”? What the hell?
(Notice how I used question marks there? Ooh, and again!)
Blessed are the Qassam-makers, for they shall inherit the land stolen by the filthy Zionist killers of poor Farfur.
IT’S IN TEH BIBLE!!!!!!!111!!
Late to the party dudes! But, as an irrelevant jokester, my absence surely has not damaged any of the good works done by Gary and Marge.
One question: Was Obama’s body language on The View as bad as it was when, during the debate, he said he would yank the troops out of Iraq and if that caused a disaster, he would immediately toss the clearly disposable military right back into the center of that NEW & IMPROVED Quagmire. NOW WITH FOAMING OBAMA CRYSTALS!! Was he squirmy like that?
Because his body language at that time clearly said “I’m making this shit up as I go along.
Whoah. What happened ’round here?
Gary and Marge dropped in and had an Obamagasm all over the place, then fled.
“Obama has been on the world stage for years.”
Marge, baaby, there’s a big difference between the world stage and a high school remake of “The Music Man”.
I don’t think Obama is being entirely honest here. If I would have been sitting in the pew when the Reverend (and I use the term loosely) made that absymal statement, I would have had the courage to stand up and walk out. Talk about spreading hate. Reverend Wright would do well to remember that he is an American and as such should appreciate the fact that he could even speak out in the way he did. Other countries would have drug him out of the church and hung him from the highest point.
NO TO OBAMA!!!
Hurry, Jethro – now Obama’s even lynching Wright! Now that just might-could change a fella’s mind.
“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.”
-Bene Gesserit litany
I am, however, afraid of one of these Democrat asshelmets winning the election.
In Obama’s own words, “If you cannot stand up against racism, you are indeed a racist yourself!”
Therefore, if he supported a racist, minister himself for twenty years, then by his own definition he is a racist!
So Obama didn’t hear the sermons before he heard them and backed Wright before he disavowed Wright after he was going to leave the church if Wright didn’t resign?
The Queen of Fabulosity (Condoleeza Rice) weighs in:
“Black Americans were a founding population,†she said. “Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together  Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That’s not a very pretty reality of our founding.â€Â
As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times, “descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that.â€Â
“That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today,†she said.
Miss Rice declined to comment on the campaign, saying only that it was “important†that Mr. Obama “gave it for a whole host of reasons.â€Â
Obama is one scary MoFo.
The “Black View” is that there is only a certain amount of money, and that all able bodied souls should share it, no matter if they choose to waste their lives on drugs, alcohol, or just plain hiding the welfare check under the work boots (RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! Unh-uh. It is no longer racist to say this because it seems that as many whites as minorities believe this crap.)
Our public schools have been striving to teach this for almost 50 years, and it is finally coming to fruition.
I remember when Kruschev said “We will take over your country without firing a shot”. It’s hard to believe that, even though the USSR is gone – (sorta), he was right.
The founders must be rolling in their graves. If I were dead, I know I would be.
dont u dare quote Dune at me, theocons.
“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong – faster and faster and faster. they put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget that a precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late.”
/spit
Oh yeah. PS.
America has finally succumbed to stupidity.
Obama’s is a racist con-artist, and it’s finally beginning to catch up to him…there might still be some Garys around drinking the Kool Aid, but even Democrats are beginning to see this guy is a train wreck waiting to happen, and his aura of “I will bringing people together” has degenerated into a “I am not a radical leftwing America hater like my mentor”…what a difference a month makes
DNETRTTP.
/spit right back at ya’, you genocidal racist.
#128: There is no “black view”. Most Americans, even those who happen to be black ones, want the same things and strive quite hard to get them. Feel free to die and start rolling over. It would probably make you much nicer and smarter.
[…] Dems 2008: Can Obama disown Rev. Wright? Yes, he can! [Karl] […]
Genocidal racist? No ramping up the overheated rhetoric going on here. No siree-bob.
LMAO!!!!
Beer is the mind-killer.
I will face my beer. I will permit it to pass over me, and through me.
The problem Gary and marge have with sites like this discussing Rev. Wright, and Rezko, and Michelle Obama is that these people are not Sen. Obama, and thus he shouldn’t be held accountable for their words or actions. Normally, that is a fair thing to say; however Sen. Obama has not left a trail of accomplishments, a record of actions for anyone to form a judgment about his character and what he would likely do in certain situations.
Because he has made himself into such an empty suit, or if you prefer a ‘tabula rasa’, his associates have been used as a substitute; we have been forced to use them as the lens by which we can see him. It is less accurate, true, than using sen. Obama’s own deeds to form a judgment about him, but that is the only tool he left us with, and thus must abide by that.
Tries to giggle quietly at #138. Boss peeks into office suspiciously.
“Comment by Gary on 3/28 @ 8:19 am #
It’s a shame that Americans focus only on media circuses like the Rev. Wright issue. Look, first of all, news channels have to sell product like anyone else. They do this by attracting viewers. So they excite people by exaggerations and continuous replay of sound bites to bring in the stupid Americans that actually then believe them long enough to watch. So they can sell air time to a toothpaste or Viagra add. Say it ain’t so Jasper..
Come on folks .. really are you guys that blind? Really? Do you guys not have a girlfriend or other way around to keep you busy enough to not have to watch and actually believe this crap? Oh, I’m sure no one around you, if not yourself, has heard a friend say something stupid and not disowned them for it. Oh yes white Americans would never do this are you kidding me. Well most of the counter racists comments I’ve seen our here there are a lot of hillbillies in America. We take time to see a 15 seconds sound bite and believe that is the gospel (no pun). Or we never watch, but get the word an opinion from another idiot and believe it be true.
Grow up America, get a brain even if you have to buy one and maybe even read. Read? Wow that’s something new. By the way CNN, and all other, shame on you for putting this out there again!! You are the enemy of Americans and they don’t even realize this. You can’t help it if one out of ten Americans could easily labelled a dumbass, but you should not exploit this either. Yeah like that’s going to happen. Hey, maybe if your sponsors cut you off this side show might stop? Imagine a world with real news coverage instead of add sellers. Oh wait, that’s the BBC and nobody watches them here.”
Sorry, Gary, but I seemed to have missed this.
You come to PW to complain about dumb asses? This is the smartest blog on the web, if you were only sharp enough to see it. This ain’t Kos or Demo Underground, bub.
America ain’t perfect, but people like you are doing all you can to destroy it. Be careful what you wish for, comrad.
You are hilariously blinded, my friend. Good luck to you in the “New America”, where words don’t mean anything.
Come on, Lisa. Africans hate us for not letting them all die fast enough of disease and starvation, so we should be curtailing their birth rates through condoms and abortion so that they’ll really, really like us.
If it ain’t genocidal, it’s definitely homicidal and Margaret Sanger would stand up and cheer. Unfortunately, that whole condom thing gets in the way of our devious AIDS plot.
im not a genocidal racist.
praps carin is.
she said africans were like “little children that couldnt solve their own problems.”
praps locke and mcgeehee are genocidal homophobes since they said homosexuality was like alcoholism ot typhoid.
i dunno.
“You cannot avoid the interplay of politics within an orthodox religion. This power struggle permeates the training, educating and disciplining of the orthodox community. Because of this pressure, the leaders of such a community inevitably must face the ultimate internal question: to succumb to complete opportunism as the price of maintaining their rule, or risk sacrificing themselves for the sake of the orthodox ethic.”
guess this dune quote applies to TUCC as well as u poseurs.
yet…..u have failed to prove either that BLT is a religion, or that it is O’s religion OR belief system.
Obama is still doing well in the polls, but his unfavorables are rising. They won’t go back down, because the cat is out of the bag that there are huge issues about his views about America. I think one morning a lot of the people who were supporting him because he was different and eloquent and a uniting figure will notice that his campaign has descended into a quagmire of retractions and half-apologies and disavowing of prior statements, etc. The mystique is gone, Obama is off the pedestal and wallowing in the political muck. With his very limited experience and thin record, he will pine for the days when he was the Messiah, floating above the fray…those were the days, and they won’t be back.
144th!!
Maybe you missed the thread, Lisa, where the n-person was upset that so many poor people were being born and Africa, and as opposed to helping them get out of poverty, she was advocating reducing poverty by way of abortion, etc. No more kids, no more poor people, no more poverty.
Mikey, I have to agree with you on that. That was well said. I don’t think he is a completely empty suit. But he has floated along on a cloud of Oprah feel goodishness consisting of very little red meat (don’t get me wrong, I pulled the lever for the guy in the state primary and I like his positions on many things – some of his ideas are naive as hell and make me slightly nervous, but whatevs).
So while I have jumped to his defense during this whole Wright kerfuffle, I do not think it is unfair for people to examine the company he keeps when deciding what kind of man they are going to judge him as.
Lisa – That was a specific reference to a brain-dead troll that advocates a culling of the herd in Africa because our attempts to alleviate suffering and strife have led to population increases. Apparently, if you feed someone, or give them medical help, you must also throw rubbers at them in perpetuity, and teach them how to kill babies, because a healthy African population knows nothing other than reproduction. It was grotesque then, and grotesque now.
Excuse me while I go attend to an Obamagasm.
my search-fu is strong.
ima child of the internet, as opposed to u pastpeople.
certainly i would avoid sayin dumb racist or homophobic things in future.
and Dune quotes as well.
150th! Woo Hoo!!!
Lisa: Join me in unabashed, sweating Obama love, fluttering filigrees of goose bump lust at those soft eyes and strong hands. Yes, the hopey hands plucking change out of the air as the largo sonata voice paints a composition of more and more change, rising to a CRESCENDO OF CHANGE ….. ack (*plop*)
OOOOHHHhhhhhhhggghhhhh … too much hope …
Actions Speak Better than Words
Before the negative press regarding Mr. Wright, Mr Obama had on numerous occasions declared Mr. Wright as his mentor and spiritual teacher for the past 20 years and even went so far as to include Mr. Wright in his election staff, these are the actions of Mr. Obama. When the press found out about the Hitleresque personality of Mr. Wright, Mr. Obama’s staff writers immediately created a rebuttal of hyperbole that amazingly some people actually believed.
It is interesting to note, as soon the public became aware of the Obama/Wright connection, following a phone call to Mr. Wright from Mr. Obama, Mr. Wright was instantly silenced and retired. Is there something more we are not supposed to hear?
But regardless what Mr. Obama and his staff replied, and that Mr. Wright has been silenced, for now, Mr. Obama cannot retract his clear public proclamation that Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama’s mentor and spiritual teacher for over 20 YEARS. And that up to recent negative press, Mr. Wright was on Mr. Obama’s Spiritual Advisor Committee campaign team. Mr. Obama cannot make excuses regarding this or deny it. And to downplay the violent rhetoric of Mr. Wright is like trying to make excuses for Hitler. Hitler and Mr. Wright both convey hateful and paranoid messages that should send shivers through the average American. Never would I expect to see in my lifetime a man of such evil taking the pulpit on National Television and professing extreme hate and implied violence that has direct implications for almost every white, Jew, non-Christian, Christians of other faiths, government officials, peoples from other countries and so on. Didn’t Hitler do this too?
If you make the choice to listen and learn from a so called spiritual mentor every week over 20 years, do you expect me or any other rational being to believe that you wouldn’t be or want to be influenced by their ideas? And what does that say of your personal integrity if you chose American hating Mr. Wright as your mentor in life?
Action is the real measure of a person, not their words. We know who Mr. Obama is by his life and choices, not the words he spins. And we can only imagine the amount of hatred Mr. Obama will unleash once he achieves ultimate power.
And also consider recent announcement that the chief of the firm involved in the State Department’s passport breach is one of Obama’s adviser. (And why is this not being discussed?) And that Obama has been caught lying about Rezko, regarding the amount of money Rezko gave him, and that Obama still hasn’t come clean about his Rezko land deal. Or further, how Michelle Obama makes a phenomenal $317.000 a month at a hospital in Chicago that is famous for turning away the poor, especially the black poor. And Michelle Obama’s separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago’s Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. And Michelle Obama’s statement she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life”.
And today, the criminal indictment of Mr. Obama’s super delegate the governor of Puerto Rico.
And for those who don’t know that Obama campaign was originally funded by the Food for Oil Program in Iraq, I suggest you read the following article:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_iraqi_oil_for_food_conn.html
If Obama were to become president, what would stop Mr. Obama from appointing Mr. Wright to his cabinet? And after Mr. Wright’s appointment, if anyone complained no doubt they would be called racist. And it seems as if this strategy – that it is racist to criticize a black man – is already in effect as Mr. Obama can do anything corrupt with minimal impunity by the public or the press.
But if Hillary so much as sneezes, she is taken through the laundry and hung out to dry and then beaten some more. Such an obvious bias treatment towards Mr. Obama because of his race is racial discrimination. And I believe another reason why Mrs. Clinton is unfairly criticized to such an extreme is because a handful of powerful men in the media can’t stand the idea of a woman for president – likely a libido thing.
We should have as our country’s leader someone with wisdom and knowledge, whose goal is the selfless betterment of the world. We should not elect someone with a personal agenda for personal power or select them because of the fashionably of their race or the preference for a gender.
With all the red lights in Mr. Obama’s resume, and all the hyperbole that he spins that keeps us from knowing the real Mr. Obama, are you sure this is the person best to lead our country? Should we gamble away the American future to a man who associates with and is taught by men who hate this country and its people?
Lisa – We would actually like to know his position on things now, not after he “pivots” for the general election. So far, he has managed to skate by on fluff. I would love to hear how taking the successfully is a path to recovery. i would love to hear about how the BMV is better situated to provide for my health care than my current plan. I would love to discuss how we should immediately withdraw from Iraq, unless doing so makes things even worse, at which point, we should throw our soldiers back into an even worse place. These are the only positions Baracky has given us so far.
two things Richard.
1. plz show written or oral recorded evidence that O is isomorphic with Wright on BLT.
O has written books, right? Speeches?
Isnt this America? Freedom of speech for Wright, and no implied thought control thru association for Obama.
just because you pastpeople have been pithed by your pastors and ministers and priests, doesnt mean everyone else has.
2. Wright is not runnin for president.
Obama is.
Yes I am better off being the descendent of a slave in a country that, in spite of its problems, is a damned fine country to live in.
I am glad that I don’t have to live on the continent of Africa, dealing with centuries of devastating colonialism. I am sure there are those who believe that Africa was LUCKY to get those wonderful Europeans to come in and give them smallpox, venerial disease, and every other bit of vermin that crawled off of their-soap deficient asses. They should be glad that the Europeans came in and carved up the countries, separating them into false “tribes” based on skin color and “pleasing features”, building centuries of resentment and hate based on the favorable treatment of the “most aesthetically pleasing” (i.e. Tsutsis and Hutus in Rwanda). I am sure they feel blessed that companies like British Petroleum and DeBeers claim their natural resources, handing over a sliver of the profits to whatever propped up dictator will continue to turn a blind eye to their parasitical presence there. And I am sure they are ecstatic to be frozen out of the world agricultural market because the farmers in Kansas, California, Tuscany, and Loire don’t want to compete with them – but hey, we will get Archer Daniels Midland or Monsanto to donate some rice to the World Food Program, Okay? Cool! (sorry, we won’t allow you to fish, but we send the U.N. to drop a package of dried fish with those beans and rice).
Yep, they are swimming in blessings.
Pablo,
You seem to have a gift for landing on the big numbers. Congrats again.
LMAO @ BJTexas. I was with totally with you! (Gets up from floor, brushes self off).
Obama continues to deceive Americans with his trickled answers, just like he did with Rezko’s scandal. He is also a copy cat. He distracts people by throwing the challenge to ask the country to talk about race because he can’t answer these real questions:
1. why do you stay for 20 years?
2. why do you still appoint Wright your adviser even though you remove him from the big event of announcing your candidacy?
3. why do you still let your children go to the church to hear Wright’s anti-white and anti-american preaching?
4. why do you not wear an American flag pin any more more?
5. why do you pick a new pastor who also believes in Wright teaching?
6. why do you do throw your grandma under the bus with a ‘typical white person’
7. why do you incite the Blacks and throw them under the bus by making it sound like all Blacks believe in Wright teaching?
8. why do you contribute large sum of $ to Wright’s church?
Funny enough, now that he invites the conversation on race, he backpedalled that too and said that was not what he meant! Can we really afford a President who is anti-white, anti-american?
Actions Speak Better than Words
Before the negative press regarding Mr. Wright, Mr Obama had on numerous occasions declared Mr. Wright as his mentor and spiritual teacher for the past 20 years and even went so far as to include Mr. Wright in his election staff, these are the actions of Mr. Obama. When the press found out about the Hitleresque personality of Mr. Wright, Mr. Obama’s staff writers immediately created a rebuttal of hyperbole that amazingly some people actually believed.
It is interesting to note, as soon the public became aware of the Obama/Wright connection, following a phone call to Mr. Wright from Mr. Obama, Mr. Wright was instantly silenced and retired to a 1.6 million dollar home. Is there something more we are not supposed to hear from Mr. Wright?
And now Mr. Obama says he would distance himself from Mr. Wright because of Mr. Wight hateful message, but what about the other 20 years of Mr. Obama choosing to sit in the pew while Mr. Wright lectured? After 20 years of choosing to listen to Mr. Wright, Mr. Obama has just now come to conclusion that he wouldn’t listen to Mr. Wright starting now? Does Mr. Obama think we are stupid?
But regardless of what Mr. Obama’s staff has spun for Mr. Obama’s rebuttal, Mr. Obama cannot retract his clear public proclamation that Mr. Wright has been his mentor and spiritual teacher for over these past 20 YEARS. And that up to recent negative press, Mr. Wright was on Mr. Obama’s Spiritual Advisor Committee campaign team. There is no denying this.
And the Obama’s team efforts to downplay the violent rhetoric of Mr. Wright are like trying to make excuses for Hitler. Hitler and Mr. Wright both convey hateful and paranoid messages that should send shivers through the average American. The words of Mr. Wright are violent, hateful and terrifying. This should be a wake up call to every white, Jew, non-Christian, Christians of other faiths, government officials, peoples from other countries and so on. Didn’t Hitler do this too before unleashing his cruelty on the world?
If Obama made the choice to listen and learn from this so called spiritual mentor for over 20 years, do you expect me or any other rational being to believe that he wouldn’t be or want to be influenced by his ideas? And what does that say of Mr. Obama’s integrity?
Action is the real measure of a person, not their words. We know who Mr. Obama is by his life and choices, not the words he spins. And we can only imagine the amount of hatred Mr. Obama will unleash once he achieves ultimate power.
And also consider recent announcement that the chief of the firm involved in the State Department’s passport breach is one of Obama’s adviser. (And why is this not being discussed?) And that Obama has been caught lying about Rezko, regarding the amount of money Rezko gave him, and that Obama still hasn’t come clean about his Rezko land deal. Or further, how Michelle Obama makes a phenomenal $317.000 a month at a hospital in Chicago that is famous for turning away the poor, especially the black poor. And Michelle Obama’s separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago’s Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. And Michelle Obama’s statement she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life”.
And for those who don’t know that Obama campaign was originally funded by the Food for Oil Program in Iraq, I suggest you read the following article:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_iraqi_oil_for_food_conn.html
If Obama were to become president, what would stop Mr. Obama from appointing Mr. Wright to his cabinet? And after Mr. Wright’s appointment, if anyone complained no doubt they would be called racist. And it seems as if this strategy – that it is racist to criticize a black man – is already in effect as Mr. Obama can do anything corrupt with minimal impunity by the public or the press.
But if Hillary so much as sneezes, she is taken through the laundry and hung out to dry and then beaten some more. Such an obvious bias treatment towards Mr. Obama because of his race is racial discrimination. And I believe another reason why Mrs. Clinton is unfairly criticized to such an extreme is because a handful of powerful men in the media can’t stand the idea of a woman for president – likely a libido thing.
We should have as our country’s leader someone with wisdom and knowledge, whose goal is the selfless betterment of the world. We should not elect someone with a personal agenda for personal power or select them because of the fashionably of their race or the preference for a gender.
With all the red lights in Mr. Obama’s resume, and all the hyperbole that he spins that keeps us from knowing the real Mr. Obama, are you sure this is the person best to lead our country? Should we gamble away the American future to a man who associates with and is taught by men who hate this country and its people?
JD, I would like for him to tell me what the shit he plans to do as well. He hasn’t been saying much of any substance because the surge has been going pretty well. There have been a couple of signs of a bumpiness in the surge now, so people are going to start asking some pointed questions. Yeah it is nice that you were against the invaision, so was I…but we are THERE now. We SHOULD be examining the dipshittery that got us there, but just picking up and leaving would be the unkindest cut of all to the Iraqis – in a couple of years we will be sifting through some more rubble in a major U.S. city and preparing to invade another “war torn country that suffered a post-war power vaccuum that was filled by illiterate and crazy extremists”. (See Afghanistan after the Mujahadeen fought our proxy war with the Soviets).
zactly Lisa.
also those simple “childlike” Africans should be damned grateful for that triple digit population growth that the kindly post-colonial West has gifted them with.
Richard, you are somewhat of a spammer aren’t you?
Lisa #156: Without question you have many valid points.
Let’s now add the additional advantage of climate alarmists explaining to the poor Africans that they will not be able to develop a significant industrial base and, thus, improve their economic outlook because of TEH CO2 FROM HELL!!!
BTW: We may not agree on much politically but I, for one, appreciate your presence and contribution. You’re obviously smart, have a sense of humor, can string words together and, by God, THE SHIFT KEY ON YOUR KEYBOARD WORKS. I mean, grammar and everything!
I am willing to continue to try and entertain you just so you’ll stick around. Dissenting point of views that aren’t humorless, enraged, snarky, thread jacking or genocidal racists are hard to come by.
Baracky is gonna have to drop the unitey thing. That’s just silly. Also his stoopid capital gains taxes idea. And his gay national service plan. Also I don’t like the part where he gives Iraq to the terrorists. Also the part where trade is bad. It’s kind of reassuring I guess to know that Baracky can do a 180 so good, but it’s not good that his ideas are so stupid to begin with.
richard, cut out the spam.
it wasnt really that great of a comment.
this is all guilt by association…..like i said, just because u all got pithed by your pastor/minister/priest, doesnt mean everyone has been.
I was reading Dune while certain talking telephone poles were wearing diapers. And no matter how many times, aforementioned TTP may take my words out of context, it doesn’t make me a racist.
I apologize for engaging. Who gets to flog me?
Oh, me! ME!
5 kids, all within 10 years. You’ve been flogged enough, m’lady.
*sigh*
Of course, their lot in life is somebody else’s fault.
You misunderstand the usage of “middleclassness.” It means something like “life outside The Struggle” — a Marxoid perversion of the Jewish idea of hell-as-alienation. It has nothing to do with money. Piling dollars off The Struggle is an accumulation of virtue. This is, above all, a rich people’s church.
Listen. My race is “rich commies.” These are my people. I understand them. It’s good that you guys don’t. I’m jealous. But pointing at the Rev’s house and saying “Gotcha!” is really missing the point. Charges of hypocrisy, speaking with two mouths, fleecing the flock, etc, however snidely meant, never apply. They only mark the charger as an outsider.
feets, i kinda like the idea of national service.
the military was never a consideration for me…cuz of environmental considerations i guess….but as a defense contractor now i wish i had served.
our military customers are simply just the finest human beings i have ever met.
Nishizono-yarou! Hajioshiru! The denizens of PW are not a monolith. You will kindly and immediately desist in your perfunctory “theocon” detritus! Your quick-brainedness is no substitute for wisdom. The clever is not the profound. Humble thyself. You are like the young Miyamoto Musashi, too sharp. Will you become a great samurai? Or are you merely a baka na kodomo?
Lisa – Can you give a class to the other loonwaffles on how to disagree, but not be disagreeable?
psycho, Ted Haggard is still pullin a salary from his church….so he wont write a book i guess.
the world is filled with whited sepulchres.
Not to mention, that Lisa has yet to willfully, and obstinately refused to understand the words strung together by “pastpeople” who value the old-fashioned practice of using of commas, capital letters, and periods.
Does a baka na kodomo translate to promotes mass genocide?
Nishi: Yeah it sucks how stupid we are about Africa. And that means both sides of the aisle. We don’t address the West’s presence in Africa, slurping up natural resources and lubricating and propping up vile regimes, we just plan a stupid concert with Bono and the Prince of Wales and then use the money to give them some more rice and bottled water.
And of course, we always have deep contempt for people who just “can’t seem to get it together”, ignoring the complexity and our own complicity (is that a word?).
malacypse, ima ronin.
i’ve lost all my masters.
:(
5 kids, all within 10 years. You’ve been flogged enough, m’lady.
Alp, it’s worse than that. When my last was born I had the baby (him), a 2 y/o, a 4 y/o, a 6 y/o and a 7 y/o. Oye.
I’m so GLAD I finally figured out what was causing it.
I’m so GLAD I finally figured out what was causing it.
Mogen David?
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that’s not funny
Carin – You mean you did not need GWB to throw a case of condoms at you to figure it out? Hear that nishidiot? People can make those choices all by themselves. Shocking, I know, but true.
ima child of the internet, as opposed to u pastpeople.
Yeah, but ain’t it a bitch that you still have to live in the real world with us ordinary doofuses? You know, that world that you seem to be somewhat clueless about, despite your self-promoted hyper-genius IQ level and all?
“How often is it that the angry man rages denial of what his inner self is telling him.”
-From “Collected sayings of Muad’Dib” by the Princess Irulan
But, Jethro – Son – I do kind of cotton to yonder HBO’s Libation Rheology View of what’s it all about: hoo doggie’s, they sure must have some fine flowin’ corn spirits powerin’ that Church’s Concretinations. Just look at the way they dance! Now that’s what I call nigh to Deliverance.
That’s a lot? My mom gave birth to six kids in a span of six years and two months. All single births.
All of us staggeringly intelligent, too. What a nightmare.
Why thanks BJTexas :)
I have said many times before that I enjoy the posts and the commenters on this website immensely. You guys (and gals) are really clever and thoughtful. It is a absolute pleasure to read (even when I am jumping up and down like a monkey with anger because I disagree with something so strongly).
*** This has been a break for the Emergency Group Hug Test. In the even of a real emergency, you would have been instructed to hold hands with your nearest Liberal and sing something by Three Dog Night. Thank you.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled argument.
In spite of the body odor and the goofiest facial hair since Mr. Watson, the Amish should be revered for giving us the practice of shunning. We should gratefully use it.
Ya know, it’s funny, but I get kinda confused when you say “the West’s presence”. Does “the West” include China? Not that no one else is being an ass in Africa — France comes to mind — but China’s been the big defender of regimes like Mugabe in Zimbabwe and the Sudanese Islamist junta.
..of course, my apologies to any and all Amish posters.
And of course, we always have deep contempt for people who just “can’t seem to get it togetherâ€Â, ignoring the complexity and our own complicity (is that a word?).
I don’t have contempt for the people of Africa. I have contempt for for the shitty and corrupt leaders in AFrica. Mugabe, al-Bashir, al-Quaddafi, Nguema.
Baka na kodomo is “foolish child.” Nishizono-koohai possesses not the accomplishment necesssary to genuinely promote anything. She’s an educated noise maker. You know, sound and fury, signifying nothing and all that. Which is sad, because she clearly has a fast CPU. I am not unsympathetic to those who would have us avoid bating the troll as it were. I don’t seek battle with her; I don’t need to. I just like her because I see my former self in her. I understand why Jeff may have suggested the same. But there is no guarantee that she’ll become a samurai. I just want to help if I can. If I had a bamboo pole, I’d whack her in the back of the head while she was mid-pseudo-sufist prayer and offer her a the zen parable about the chicken and the bottle. I’m trying the virtual bamboo pole gambit.
He wants people to change lightbulbs for national service. And alls sort of other sundry menial feel-good nonsense. It’s cause he thinks left to their own devices the energies of three hundred million peoples are not going to the right places. I think he’s wrong about that. Besides, I done already planted lots of trees.
True Carin. But there is always some “other player” propping their asses up…France, Belgium, and most recently – as Rob has pointed out – China. So I should amend “West” to “motherfuckers that have no business mucking about in Africa under the radar”.
the practice of shunning. We should gratefully use it.
You know, the Schrute family was a master at shunning. Why young Dwight was shunned from his family between the ages of four and six for forgetting to save the excess oil from a can of tuna.
That’s a lot? My mom gave birth to six kids in a span of six years and two months. All single births.
All of us staggeringly intelligent, too. What a nightmare.
My first were 13 months apart. I determined, through extensive home-study, that a 2 year gap is MUCH preferable. I stopped after 5 kids because I got sick of being unable to ride the rollarcoaster when we went to Cedar Pointe.
My mom gave birth to six kids in a span of six years and two months. All single births.
All of us staggeringly intelligent, too.
Yet not intelligent enough not to believe her.
kidding. DON’T HIT ME!
malaclypse, we are attempting to avoid feeding the troll.
Cedar Pointe? You’re a midwest mom?
You know, the Schrute family was a master at shunning. Why young Dwight was shunned from his family between the ages of four and six for forgetting to save the excess oil from a can of tuna.
And you see, he turned out OK.
Ah. Detroit. I grew up in northern Indiana.
Nishizono-chan, you aren’t humble enough to have a master. That you think you have lost all of your masters should be a clue.
Perhaps you’ve heard the parable of the tea cup? A Buddhist scholar seeks and finds a great Zen master. The scholar tells the master of the great study she has undertaken and how she is ready to understand Zen and would like the master to teach her. The master says, “Let’s have some tea first.” The master places a cup before the scholar and fills it with tea until it overflows. The scholar says, “Wait! No more can go in!” The master says, “Yes. You are like the cup. You are too full of what you think you already know. How can I put anything else in? Before I can teach you, you must empty your cup.”
I stopped after 5 kids because I got sick of being unable to ride the rollarcoaster when we went to Cedar Pointe.
So “rollercoaster” is your safe word, when things are getting too heated?
Before I can teach you, you must empty your cup.
I love baseball analogies
alpuccino – You are killing me. Amish BO and facial hair. Don’t forget the buggies with flashlights for headlights at night.
Safe word – Increase taxes !
Ish yara al-ahdab hadbat-u. (A hunchback does not see his own hunch.�Folk Saying.) Bene Gesserit Commentary: The hunch may be seen with the aid of mirrors but mirrors may show the whole being.
perhaps you hate O because he is your mirror.
and that is the same reason that some of us love him.
Slart, how I do respect and enjoy your wit and wisdom. Please forgive me, but I am compelled by love. As Gautama said, “Everyone is but one step from enlightenment.”
Nishizono-koohai! This:
perhaps you hate O because he is your mirror.
and that is the same reason that some of us love him.
is more of your impetuousness. You can only know your own heart. When you pretend to knowledge you don’t have, you become without merit. Too sharp!
Before the sink was ready in the new office suite I would pour whatever was left in my coffee mug thinger from the day before in a plant in NG’s office. This is wisdom.
Bad assumption, malaclypse: the light bulb has got to want to change.
Oh, and Slart: If I fail, I’ll accept seppuku and hopefully take the baka no kodomo with me.
“Too sharp!”
But cutting with the wrong edge of a single-edged blade.
mala, hahaha
trudat.
it is my nafs that keeps from from faana as well.
We should have as our country’s leader someone with wisdom and knowledge, whose goal is the selfless betterment of the world. We should not elect someone with a personal agenda for personal power or select them because of the fashionably of their race or the preference for a gender.
Sorry I’m voting for someone with wisdom and knowledge, whose goal is the selfish betterment of the USA. Its odd, but that has proven to LEAD to a better world. I beleive some fat scotsman by the name of Smith said something of the same sort about 200 years ago, albeit at a much more micro level.
Smoke and mirrors, more like.
an im not baka no kodomo, mala-sensei, but bakemono.
Does bakemono self-absorbed idiot?
My safe word is Millennium .
Man, I love that ‘coaser. Three hours I waited in line to ride, and prolly would have gotten RIGHT back in line if my family had let me.
Can’t stop laughing at #202.
LMAO!!!!!!!! I have to go. Shit, I am going to be snickering all through my next meeting like a crazy bitch.
im … bakemono.
You flatter yourself again. Are you so fragile that you cannot countenance humility? Anyway, your shape does not change, only your appearance. You wear masks and yet you fail to recognize their transparency. Those that have eyes can see right through them.
Let me illustrate: If you have to say you’re an intellectual elitist, you’re not.
I am glad that I don’t have to live on the continent of Africa, dealing with centuries of devastating colonialism. I am sure there are those who believe that Africa was LUCKY to get those wonderful Europeans to come in and give them smallpox, venerial disease, and every other bit of vermin that crawled off of their-soap deficient asses.
Not to mention, Christianity, education, sanitation, rudimentary healthcare (damn Albert Schweitzer), a civil service, railways, roads, and a legal system based on Roman Law.
They should be glad that the Europeans came in and carved up the countries, separating them into false “tribes†based on skin color and “pleasing featuresâ€Â, building centuries of resentment and hate based on the favorable treatment of the “most aesthetically pleasing†(i.e. Tsutsis and Hutus in Rwanda).
As well as interfering in population control methods long practiced by Africans, such as sectarian wars, slavery and cannibalism.
I am sure they feel blessed that companies like British Petroleum and DeBeers claim their natural resources, handing over a sliver of the profits to whatever propped up dictator will continue to turn a blind eye to their parasitical presence there.
Don’t forget the Dutch East India Company, SASOL (google it, bitches), SA Breweries, Sun International Resorts, East Africa Tea Company, Kenya Coffees and many more sweatshops and bucket operations too.
And I am sure they are ecstatic to be frozen out of the world agricultural market because the farmers in Kansas, California, Tuscany, and Loire don’t want to compete with them –
Lets face it, farming was seriously cutting into the play time with our new AK 47s and RPGs generously donated by our Soviet Comrades so that we could run farmers off their land, dispossess businesses, rape and pillage villagers, all in the name of one party rule. You know the thing the colonialists setup for us when they left town? Well after the first free election anyway.
#203 – just saw it. Guffawed. I’m on vacation with my children and parents. My father is on a business call. He glared at me.
As Gautama said, “Everyone is but one step from enlightenment.â€Â
Hoo-doggies, your Gautama is one fine elderly, mataclypse. Granny always says, “Yeah, but the next foot just might could be in dog poo, too, and don’t go mistakin’ B.O. for sign of your best friend, either.”
The solution for Africa has to come from there. That being said, propelling a stone age people (in the main) tens of thousands of years over the course of a few centuries isn’t workable. The best solution would be to lock down the area (sub-Saharan) after removing any technology that isn’t locally produced. Isolate like it was before. Come back in a few hundred years to monitor and wait for them to naturally advance to where the “Western world” is.
Agreed Jed. I ain’t no pollyanna neither. I think I remember that Gautama said he studied with your Granny.
lol, JD TWP, did you just refer to Lisa as one of the “other loonwaffles?”
Ha Ha! You are such a sweet talker!
Why don’t you people who are commenting on Pastor Wright’s comments listen to the complete sermon then pass your judgement. You are basing your opinion on two 20 second clips that have been looped over and over. OH..I know why you don’t want to hear the whole sermon..because you just MIGHT get saved. Look at this man in totality…he has served the community as well as the Lord. Hillary is a hypocrite and a cry baby..NO she is just a sore loser. You can not hold Obama accountable for the OPINIONS of someone else..Pastor or NOT!! Maybe Bill and Hillary should have been in somebody’s church while he was in the oval office getting pleasure from Ms. Lewinsky.
TD, Hillary is just too narcissistic to fall for Liberation Theology, that’s all. It’s her only strength, but it does make her superior to Obama. That’s one reason why I’m voting for Hill in the Oregon Primary.
I hope that wasn’t intended the way it reads.
Can we hold him responsible for listening to a hate-filled man for 20 years?
Yep, I’m scared spitless at getting saved twice. Imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously, and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
It could be that bad. So: no, I’m not watching. For the sake of all humanity, I must not.
TD: Oh, you are late to the Obama love fest but that’s OK! His pearly changiness and oh, so earnest stare makes me jello kneed. I know he’s just looking at me and not the genocidal racist! His soaring orgasmic oratory rings church bells and inspires all of
DamnedAmerikkka get up off their sofas, run out of the house and change.Oh! Oh my cardiologist shall be rich from the atrial fibrillation his voice causes me. I clutch my chest and die WITH HOPE!
Join me, TD, and Gary and Marge and the genocidal racist and be slain by the changetudinus hopersynergy!
OOOO baby, baby now …
Wright is an anti-American racist .. Obama supports him with words and money … i.e. Obama supports an anti-American racist … still with me ? Its not guilt by association, it is guilt by support … Obama is a racist … no matter what he says his actions are of a racist anti-American … and a rotten grandson to boot …
BJ – An oversight on my part, to be sure, though at times, teh loonwaffle tendencies coming creeping out.
Let’s all hold hands, give praise to TD, IJS, Gary, and don’t forget Marge, for making us see the error of our ways.
You might want to see one of my posts a bit further up, TD. Sen. Obama hasn’t left us much to base any assessment of his character, so we use the (admittedly imperfect) method of judging him by the company he keeps. Unfortunate, but that is the way life goes.
And don’t forget, TD, We’re all just Typical White People (TWP) here and so are, as a result, insulated from the black experience by virtue of our oppressive oppression oppressing.
OOOOOOO … baby, baby now… *sigh*
These guys are a hoot. A hoot, I tell you.
JD: Be nice to Lisa. this site is in desperate need of dissenting opinionators who can argue in complete sentences, see the humor in it all and actually know how to use s shift key!
Besides she laughs at my jokes!
Surely I am not the only one that gets the feeling that they think we are in some bizarre way, Hillary supporters.
You are basing your opinion of Hitler on a few 20 second clips that have been looped over and over talking about killing jews and intellectuals and taking back the rightful German homeland.
It’s all out of context.
Let’s see, I guess after those 20 seconds or so, Wright went from top-of-lung shouting “God Damn America!” and “Whites and Jews created AIDS to kill the black man and Arabs” straight on to “Let us love our white brothers and take personal responsibility back to guide our lives, and ask the Lord for forgiveness for the hate we still feel.”
Gee, I missed that part.
Could it be that there isn’t a single minute of this bozo preaching anything other than vile, racist, anti-American, pro-jihadi, pro-communist garbage? You think? Please come forth with the audio, because I’m calling you on your bullshit.
The other thing is that Obama isn’t going to be prosecuted, or even shunned over this. It’s just going to keep some number of people from deciding to elect him as the leader of the free world.
I’m sure that will be interpreted as a violation of his rights, but it won’t be by anyone with any sense.
knock-knock…
… note that Obama never said that he would have ever LEFT that church, only “then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church”.
That is a lawyerly difference that talks about only about comfort, and nothing more … as in “if the cushion wasn’t in the pew, I wouldn’t have felt comfortable sitting there”.
What a con man.
O no, no, no, Pablo, it will be TEH RACIST AMERIKKKA!!
She laughed at my jokes first!
“You can not hold Obama accountable for the OPINIONS of someone else..Pastor or NOT!!”
No you just hold him accountable for listening to a leftwing anti-american racist hate message for 20 years and only declaring it offensive when he got called on it. It’s a judgement call, and he didn’t make the right call. Once again, it’s not about Wright, it’s about Obama.
BOOBS !!!!!!!!!!1
okay, does anyone else find it a bit interesting that the defense lately (I’ve heard or read it a few times the last day or two) is “I could make a x second clip of you and make you sound bad” or “it’s only so many seconds” um, it’s like Korla Pundit said, it’s time to come forth with the “good” Wright clips if that’s the case. and weren’t most of these clips taken from a greatest hits dvd or something?
Lisa – Whoever you are, I want to thank you for your intelligent posts. I’m not an Obama guy (nor a Hillary…shudder…guy), and I probably don’t agree with you on much in terms of substance, but it’s damned nice to read intelligent and witty comments in these kinds of conversations. Well done.
Bingo, maggie. You TWW. Racist.
Maggie, the one thing that TD, et al, seem to be ignoring is that Obama himself is not using this defense! He’s already on the record as calling these statements hateful and wrong.
It seems to me that these people are more concerned about defending Wright than they are about defending Obama when they use a defense that even Obama won’t use.
I like to dis Obama as much as the next conservative, but I think people are misunderstanding what Obama meant. He was saying that if Wright had NOT retired, but had remained in the pulpit, he would have left the church if no apology (or whatever) was forthcoming.
B.S. Obama only said he would be “uncomfortable” staying. That certainly doesn’t mean, by any stretch of any normal imagination, that he would LEAVE. Lots of people, STAY, even if they are “uncomfortable.” C’mon, think Clinton-speak, folks. The man is a word splicer. Obama is, after all, a LAWYER… Besides, if Obama left, after 20 years, he would be seen as “expedient,” only having stayed for the street cred it allowed him.
Obama is just another slimey lawyer who uses Vaseline-type wording to avoid the truth. He’s a dark skinned, half-white opportunist trying to pass as black for the votes he can get in that “community.”
Kelly, that is a plausible interpretation of the remarks, but it relies on the lie that Obama had no idea whatsoever what Wright was preaching any of this stuff that seems so integral to his theology.
So, in tribute to Lisa’s idea that Three Dog Night will help us put this behind us….
Jeremiah was a pastor
Was a good friend of mine
But I swear I never heard
a single word he preached
But I helped him drink his wine
You know he always had some mighty fine wine
O to the world
All the boys and girls
O to the fishes in the deep blue sea
O to you and me
If I were the king of the world
Tell you what I’d do
I’d throw away the cars and the bars and the Iraqis
And make sweet love to you
Sing it now…
um, interesting update at the Kaus link:
more links and stuff there.
DAMMIT JD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! eleventyhundredness!!!
The better part of you dudes ran down your daddy’s leg. hee hee. Odumma is a chocolate bar, uh, and needs TP for his bunghole.
So is Obama saying that he could disown his pastor if Wright had just stayed on at Trinity and NOT apologized for his hate speech ? So basically he is saying he quit before I fired him ? Good thing the new pastor is such a nice young man himself :)
10,000 Sq. Ft. and it is just four bedrooms! What’s in that thing!
I think what Obama is saying is that I need the Black vote and no honkey is going to tell me what to do. In a most well mannered fashion.
Baracky would genocide the Iraqis on their little heads. It would be a lot heartrending to see I think.
I am constantly amazed by the gulliblity and superficiality of the American electorate and the MSM. It seems that the only consideration that matters is political party affiliation. If you’re a Democrat, you will accept any opinion or statement that is pro-Democrat regardless of its truth or plausability. Similarly if you are a Republican, you will accept anything that has a pro-Republican spin. The independant voters are so clueless that they can’t even decide who best represents their views. This is especially sad because the Nation is at war (believe it or not),and the most important consideration for any citizen should be: How is the long-term resolution of this war going to affect the future of this nation , particularly its children. All other considerations pale in comparison. Unfortunately, American presidential campaigns boil down to nothing more that beauty contests. Dear Americans: your nation is over 230 years old; isn’t time to select the next leader of the nation and the world seriously and maturely? God Bless America.
All other considerations pale in comparison.
It’s always about race with you people.
it’s not even a full moon and the Obamamaniacs are out in full force……………………….This is gonna be a great election!
Lisa. We should try some thing with Africa we haven’t tried before. Quit giving it money.
bakemono means monster in colloquial japanese.
“transforming-thing” is gaijin translation.
literal translation.
Karl’s question is, “can O “disown” rev. wright?”
wats the point?
you guyz would make alla the same arguments, with the addition that O just threw wright under the bus for expediency.
hey…my friend just tole me mccain is in the hospital—is that true?
Dear Canadians,
Mind your own beeswax. Oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Nice job snagging #264 there, al. That rawks!
c’mon pablo hunnie..is mccain in hosp?
i cant find it on the web.
267th !!!!! Frist¡ Si se puede ¡
go rah rah some geonicide, monster.
Kelly: Not exactly correct. He said he wouldn’t have been “comfortable” remaining at the church if Wright hadn’t retired.
Nuance: It’s what’s for dinner
hey JD, im not the racist here..that wud be carin.
“Like little children that cant solve their won problems.”
can u imagine wat kind of a stockmarket crash we’d have if the american president died in office?
damn strait mccain doesnt know anything about economics.
You know, but every so often a blank comment appears. What is up with that?
If you’re a Democrat, you will accept any opinion or statement that is pro-Democrat regardless of its truth or plausability. Similarly if you are a Republican, you will accept anything that has a pro-Republican spin. Th
Man, WHAT would we do w/o Canada? Such insight. I think I want to subscribe to this guy’s newletter too.
I dunno, but if I had mad search-fu, I’d find that out, among other things.
Well, see comment 271? It’s like some weird internet echo.
Carin, if you hold it up to your ear you can hear the ocean. for reals.
Geeze. I try to have a life… and get stuff done… for ten hours and the look what happens…
I need a moniker modifier, but it can’t be TWP ‘cos of the Sioux.
And just to be topical here:
“I know why you don’t want to hear the whole sermon..because you just MIGHT get saved. Look at this man in totality…he has served the community as well as the Lord.”
Maybe we HAVE listened to the whole sermon(s) – at least some of us. But that’s not the point, TD.
Jeremiah Wright, by his own words, hates this country, hates white people, and preaches seperation and overthrow as the only moral relationship between “his” people and ANYBODY else. And he’s been the mentor, and moral guiding light – as related in not one but TWO books, TD – to Barak Obama for twenty years.
Mr. (I can’t use Reverend – it offends to see it associated with his name even in print) just uses “white” as a label of convenience, but I bet if you got a couple of shots in him and started talking about Asians Oh My Goodness the things we would hear…!
But our problem isn’t with Mr. Wright, TD. See, we don’t have to do anything, but state our disagreement, and move on. He’s not our pastor. He doesn’t have anything to do with our daily lives. Our kids aren’t at risk of being exposed to his hate and lunatic conspiracy rants.
But the junior Senator from Illinois is a different matter entirely. If you read Karl’s post, you followed the link where Obama and Wright are on record as recognizing that at some point down the road, the big O was going to have to distance himself from Wright. Not out of principle, but purely as a tactical matter.
I have maintained for over a decade now that the Clinton administration would leave damage we wouldn’t even begin to recognize for at least a generation. We were lied to so brazenly and so often that some of our neighbors have actually come to believe that that is part of the normal communication between the political class and the great unwashed mob…
They are the kind of folks who look for babysitters. The kind that don’t bristle with indignation at the mere suggestion they might be a member of a mob.
Where’s that put you, Mr/Ms. TD?
Obama. He’s not ready for prime time, not even as a hack. His value set makes it highly unlikely he’d ever be able to assemble a skill set that would make him fit to operate above “hack” level. There’s nothing there.
I heard him glibly state (soundbite from an interview on one of the networks – financial show) that he’s intending to boost capital gains up from the current fifteen to “maybe twenty – twenty five”….
If he was fucking president now and had said that at 0800 EST on any trading day, our markets would be down to the hard floor limits before lunch.
He’s a ‘tard. A racist, hack Chicago machine tard. I’m done talking about him.
Tmj – You’re really going to have to work at telling us how you feel :)
Barack has opened a 8 and 1/2 point lead in the national Gallup poll.
Karl must be in tears.
O!
well Karl…..i guess i am forced to agree with u.
:(
Can Obama Disown Rev. Wright?
Yes, He Can!
pretty good comeback, huh?
lawls.
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Gee, thor, if you look here it shows McCain up by 2 points in the Gallup tracking poll for 3/22 to 3/27. Do you need a hanky, my friend?
Oh, and 281st!!1!!
Baracky’s peaked though, and McCain still has low-hanging fruit to his right a lot I think. Fruit what Baracky Hussein Chavez will a lot do the picking for him. Cause he’s a socialist what hates white people. That’s not a race thing. Baracky has no fruit to his left at all is his problem.
You know, this thread wasn’t complete until Thor showed up and attempted a bitchslap in Karl’s direction.
I love the commenters who challenge you to prove that Obama holds the same views as Wright, except for the nonspecific ones he disclaimed in his speech last week and the black grievances he thinks it’s OK to hold because of the historical injusticy thingamabobs that he talked about in the speech. I think with the 20 year association, the whole moral compass, spiritual mentor dealio, it’s more incumbent on Obama and his supporters to convince the electorate that he does not share Wright’s theology/ideology, especially since Obama has not left the church and Wright’s successor appears to be cut from the same cloth. Otis, my man.
Really, then, Baracky’s not particularly articulate after all, not so much really. I wonder but that he’s not even particularly clean.
Moichido, Nishizono-koohai: Haji o wakarimasen ka? Anata mo gaijin. Anyway, you’re not scary enough to be a monster. You’re more Chihiro than Kaonashi.
I’ll try another metaphor. You’re Luke before he finished his Jedi training. You repeatedly fail the gom jabbar. You may adduce the patterns quickly. You may know many things. You might even be sexy. But you lack humility. This is not trivial. If you cannot appreciate how it is that Karl is your better, than you should go away. If you wish to teach him something, you still must first appreciate how he is your better. But impetuousness and sanctimony teach only that you are an ass.
than = then fer chrissake – as in “then you should go away”
I did that earlier today. I think it’s cause they sound so much alike.
Oh, and as much as I have little love for McCain, he will be POTUS. The polls mean nothing other than that voters tell pollsters whatever they think makes them look best, and then they go into the booth and vote their true desire. In fact, I would describe the posture of the electorate this season thusly: “Baracky is a nice place to visit (but I wouldn’t want to live there).”
Of course, I may be bound to commit seppuku before that ever comes to pass.
Claudia sez…
That’s a very good point, Claudia. Baracky’s hatey faith community endorse him as wholeheartedly as they applaud the notion that Americans deserved killing on September 11.
Baracky is teh Disneyland.
Mr. Feets, Sir,
I’ve not previously found the opportunity to offer this thought, but I damn well ain’t gonna pass on this one. It is considerably fortunate for the assembled (in my estimation) that you should have found your way into this community.
You are way too nice cause I can tell from when you comment that you’re way the perspicacious and the a lot better-read one. I wish I flew more so I could read actual books and stuff. But thank you.
Over Hillary, P-blo.
Karl, Obama, the greatest American political hero of our generation, is gaining momentum in his march towards Washington. I suggest you check on the welfare of your white grandmother.
Every time I venture on here, you guys are all in such a twitter about Obama. What is it about the man that has your panties all in a knot? Do you honestly think he shares the same views as Wright? Do you think Obama thinks “God damn America”? And if so, what is he doing running for president of the country? Trying to get elected so he can ruin the country?
Anyway, I know it’s all a big partisan game and all that, and you’ve definitely got your own bubble world over here. More power to you.
Also, sincerely curious to know what you think of Condi Rice’s interview with the Washington Times in which she stated that the United States still has trouble dealing with race because of a national “birth defect” that denied black Americans the opportunities given to whites at the country’s very founding.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/FOREIGN/746301768/1001
“That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it [race], hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today,” she said.
That’s hyberbolic I think, thor. The second Baracky takes office Democratic unity in Congress becomes a memory. Pelosi will be as impotent as Arlen Spector I think.
Drill, don’t bring up Condi and her pastor-father. Artichokes are hard to swallow.
O!
Much less the what-ifs of Obama and Condi on the same ticket!
One part of Obama’s ‘white electorate damage control’ speech the other day really stands out for me. In an attempt to minimize the effect of his pastor’s hate talk (no matter who you are or whether or not you agree with Rev. Wright, I don’t see how this characterization can be in doubt – hate is hate irregardless if it deserved or not) Obama went so far as to relate tales on how his grandmother also held prejudiced views against blacks at one time or another. Who stoops so low as to sell out their own grandmother? Especially someone that played as important a role in raising him as his mother? This white woman loved him above all others, wanted the best for him no matter the cost, and he has to tell the world she was a racist. We all have said or thought or felt the similar feelings ourselves vs. a different ethnic or cultural group on occasion. Just part of being human I guess. Doesn’t mean any of us would publically demonize our own grandmother for political gain.
Obama does not have the character necessary to be President of the United States. The next time he sell someone out, instead of his grandmother, it might be you.
“disavowal of “middleclassness†”
He didn’t disavow upperclassness, did he?
Maybe the fact his rhetoric is all hopeychangey, but his actual beliefs are all blameywhitey.
At this point I will not say who I will vote for until the party nominations are made. One thing I will stress. I have noticed the majority of attacks on Obama are in regard to religion. Not all attacks have been about religion, but about 80% have. If you want to sway me, turn the 80% in attacks to his foreign policy and his domestic policy, not religious or personal association. First the rumor was that he was Muslim and we could not trust someone named Barack Hussein Obama because of the situation we are in with the Muslim population that are considered terrorists, which are small, compared to the Muslim population as a whole around the globe. When that did not stick and everyone else found out that he was indeed a Christian, some news team decided to visit his church when Barack was not even present for the sermon and put on a sound bite of about 20 seconds and now everyone is a expert on this guy rev. Wright. Has anyone read any of his books? I have not. Has anyone listened to his sermon in his entirety? I have not. So to jump to conclusions over a 20 second sound bite is not wise. I said the same thing about Imus. Before I condemn him, I wanted to hear the whole show on that topic about the girls’ basketball team. Context is the key to everything. I disagreed with Sharpton and everyone else pushing to get Imus fired.
I refuse to be brainwashed by some snippet that would not take in to consideration the context in which Imus was talking. I would rather listen to his whole broadcast and make my own decision; and I did just that. I don’t hold Imus at fault since I have heard the whole broadcast. I give the same benefit of the doubt to Wright as well. I have not heard him in his entirety and to say I know he is a racist *&^% based on a snippet, is me just letting the media help me to believe what I already wanted to believe anyway. Black churches are nothing like Catholic churches and I have attended both. Black churches are more like social gatherings where the congregation comes to really associate with each other rather than really coming to hear the pastor. I know of many people who have been in their church for years and say things like I can’t stand that lying pastor or deacon. However they are still there. Why? Because their mother attends, cousins, close friends of 20 years, etc. For goodness sake after most black churches’ services are over, which takes about 2 to 3 hours as compared to the 45 minute catholic service; they all eat together like a big family picnic either outside or in a gathering place in the church. That’s another hour. Total time for service, 4 to 5 hours. That is definitely a social event. The way it is looked at, if you leave the church you leave everyone else besides the pastor who is considered your extended family. They just work on removing the pastor instead of leaving.
Barack is a high profile guy; I doubt he attended church regularly anyway. He wasn’t even present, if he was, you would have definitely seen the camera pan in his direction. He probably attended church once a month once he got involved in local Chicago politics, if that. Heck, I only go to my church about Once or twice a month, so I don’t know what is being preached about half the time. I would assume a busy figure like himself would not be going as regularly as normal people due to his schedule. If you don’t believe, try attending any black church and you will see what I am saying. Another thing, to bring a man down by association, which is what’s happening, is wrong. I have many friends black and white that I don’t, I repeat, don’t agree with at all on some issues and many of their statements are controversial, but I don’t disassociate myself with them if I really know them and what’s in their heart. If I ran for president, even if I know they are a good person at heart I would do the same, distance myself. The theory of relativity, everything is relative. America is no different. Everyone judges you based on what is relative to them and their understanding of the world and not based on different points of view. I also find it illogical that a man (Barack) can dislike whites when he is 50% white himself. That my friends is nuts. That would mean he would hate himself as well. Based on that logic, I can’t subscribe to that. You think Barack really hates his grandmother, his mother and his 50% white origin?? I don’t, which is why is think this issue is deeper than the surface value the media is putting on this 20 second snippet. My answer: Investigate things fully for yourself, and then make a decision. A totally informed American is a dangerous American. He cannot be swayed by programming and propaganda. Just my opinion.
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Lisa – Can you give a class to the other loonwaffles on how to disagree, but not be disagreeable?”
wow, you could be the first student!
Broderick, It’s just the Swiftboaters in action. Barack is hardly a threat to the White Race. Let’s see,,, he’s kind of white isn’t he?
– Obama defenders keep talking about “sound bytes”, and taking tjings out of context. which when critically applied to the sort of vicious lies said out loud with conviction, declarative statements that have no modifiers, before or after that I’ve seen anywhere, are just the same old lexiconal double talk extremists on the Left always revert to when their mask of tolerance has slipped for all to see. Its total rank bullshit, and we do ourselves a dis-service by even entertaining such an excuse.
– The bottom line is this. For all the mass of ‘scuse-speak, and balderdash, Obama belongs to a Black separatist church that preaches apartheid, racism, and hate. He may or may not ascribe to the churches hateful ideas. I really don’t care. Its very simple. As a voter, regardless of any other issues that the man holds to with which I might disaggree, I’m not going to vote for a candidate for the highest office in our country who belongs to a Black separatist church. Period.
– Moreover, now that hes rejected the opportunity, on not one, but several occassions, to divorce himself from the source of all this hateful bigotry, it would be difficult to believe him innocent of his revs transgressions against the White race at this point.
– And that was Me…..I forgot to change the header….
You think Barack really hates his grandmother, his mother and his 50% white origin??
I think Baracky is very sold really on what he believes is the greatness of Baracky, for all his flaws, and that he wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the hate-whitey church if he didn’t believe that he had completely expunged his deeply offensive white heritage.
“Pelosi will be as impotent as Arlen Spector I think.”
That would be a step up from what she is now, Happy.
Oh boy… DataDoucheDave has come to the Marge and Gary Comedy Hour!!!
“wow, you could be the first student!”
I bet that took you every bit of 305 posts to think up.
#248: Thanks Paul :)
#263: Rusty: That would probably work. But they are so rich resources SOMEONE would sneak in there and exploit them, there is too much to gain by keeping the crap going over there. I think in some ways, they ARE like children – as someone put it earlier. They have been free of the yoke of colonialism for less than a century. And before that, they were living in various types of Bronze Age Iron Age societies. It is easy to have contempt for them and say they are dumbasses or freaks, but they did get more than a thousand years of progress sprung upon them in a few hundred years. We just need to stop trying to make them do in a few decades what took most societies a few thousand years to do. Let them work that shit out, if they ask us to assist them in some manner and it is something we feel we can and should do, we will do it. But we are just spinning our wheels and getting nothing done over there as it is now. We can’t mold or shape those people into something that they have to evolve into. Folks are going to die and be miserable, but I don’t know of any society that did not do some bleeding to become viable and self sustaining.
Am I the only one sniffing a little BS in that Broderick does not know who he is supporting, and then proceeds to lug out every single discredited talking point for Baracky?
Okay my last post was WAY too conservative sounding. Drinks her moonjuice. Ahhh thats better.
No war for oil!
Okay I am back to normal.
There is the Lisa we have come to know and tolerate ;-) Throw in a little Bu$Hitler lied …
Very thoughtful of you, Lisa.
But JD gave you a great compliment…as to your proper grammar, style and grace. But if that’s all he seems to favor other than hating all the progressive ideas and thoughts that Non-Republicans may think, Then if he prefers the best grammar, style and grace of the three candidates, and if he wasn’t so anti Democratic, He’d be an Obama-man.
Obama can think and is as the Newsweek article divulged from one of his child-hood friends with shock that his good friend was on the verge of becoming President: “He’s not a Bush, nor a Clinton, he’s a self-made man!”
In Obama, I see another Lincoln. And that’s why he is hated.
correction: “It’s not like he came from a family like the Kennedy’s or the Bush’s,” Moore says. “He is a self-made man.”
looking at the print version.
Actually, G.W. Bush is going to be recognized as the Great Liberator of this century – yes, it’s early, I know.
How many millions in Iraq, Afghanistan are experiencing self government now… plus the ones in (shut up, nish) a score of African countries that just might crawl out of failed states status as the result of breaking the AIDs/malaria/NGO cycle…
They are putting up statues of him in eastern Europe, you know.
Bush 2 could have done a lot better. But that’s not nearly saying he’s done nothing right.
Obama = Lincoln?
Maybe if West Wing stages a comeback season.
Lincoln? You should be embarassed for even typing that. dd, I appreciate coherent thought, as opposed to the mindless and erratic stream of spew that you vomit around here.
Lisa has functioning grey matter, even if I disagree with her. You argue with caricatures in your head, make shit up, and confuse what you believe, for facts.
Lincoln? What a fucking joke.
I dunno, maybe.
There’s always Viagra.
JD, you’re utterly predictable. And always following me around. I have watch out when I bend over?
dd – go torture some dogz and thor will do you.
damn, my Obama-supporting boy loves West-Wing between getting those A’s and designing webpages for Industrial Corporations while only 15y.o. Gotta admit, I didn’t watch ’em the first time but they’re pretty good shows.
Actually I hope you’re right Tmj. In the long run as people I care about and myself would be better off not having long recessions, an economic depression or stagflation like what came in the postVietnam war era…but only worse this time. But your image of Bush hasn’t been realized much not so far. We’ve had anemic economic growth that seemed to only affect hustlers, but not creators, creative financial mechanisms and great deficits and not much love from either Afghans nor Iraqis.
sorry, JD. Didn’t mean to hurt you. Please not get too offended and think of your kids.
datadave, I think the tone of your rhetoric undermines your ability to convince anyone of its veracity. And please avoid answering this consideration with tu quoque.
hmmm..wat i meant for Karl to see in those red/blue graphs of the poll averages was the trend.
the blue line is trending up again.
this week was your “best shot”.
now the wright circus will gradually recede from the forebrain of the electorate.
every time O goes on terebi, every speech, every appearance, will help him.
wright is goin into “protective custody.”
there wont be anymore rants for youtube.
an the general is over 7 months away.
wright was ur best shot.
i think ur out of ammo.
resilience.
i love that word.
West Wing was a good show. 6th season suffered for the lack of Aaron Sorkin, but 7th season degenerated into pure political hackery. And Janinne Garafallo? What were they thinking?
dd – you could never hurt me. I would have to give a shit about you for you to have the ability to hurt me. I just wish you made sense to anyone other than yourself.
I am so sick of hearing and seeing morons like Gary make statements like this: “We take time to see a 15 seconds sound bite and believe that is the gospel (no pun).”
The rhetorical device seeks to portray the whole problem as a small sliver of mischaracterized words taken out of context by “right-wingers”. Now listen up Gary et al, when you say this, it just infuriates the rest of us. You want to pretend as if we are just stupid Pavlovian dogs easily manipulated by the media. But you are the ones missing the point. This is the point:
This is not just about “15 seconds” of clips. This is about the official doctrines of this ethnocentric Christian heresy of a church. This is about the official “Black Liberation Theology” posted on their damn website. This is about Cone and Hopkins and Moss and Wright and the “white enemy”. It’s not just about “15 seconds”, the whole context is the problem. And you just make yourself look stupid when you try to defend it.
Wright was 100% self-inflicted. The powder on Baracky’s socialism is a lot dry still. Also his pro-genocide Iraq policy. Lots to come, really.
thx, 325. I was wondering what arguments PW’ers use the most. You’ve got it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque. Sorry, Latin wasn’t taught in my high school that much that i recall. So shoot me! Tu qupgue. Just to not please you!
pot calling kettle black. Accusing Obama of racism while pointing out that he’s black.
ah yessssssss feets.
but ppl are already getting tired of the wright dealio.
socialism wont stick to O.
Iraq is a non-issue now, kinda.
the economy is teh issue!, right?
progress in Iraq doesnt make news….but if Iraq takes a turn downward, well that will get press and it will be all bad press for mccain and good press for O.
All of it will all be good press for Baracky. But a bad economy doesn’t help him in the least. It’ll really really kill him I think.
$4/gallon gas will kill the incumbent party, cher feets.
the worse the economy gets, the worse the incumbents will do.
it all about teh change!
lolz
Not even. It’s a question of trust.
Nishizono/Matoko-chan, I apologize for having tried to teach you to sing. It was a conceit on my part to think you should want to learn from me. Slart’s rejoinder about light bulbs and change perhaps deserved more neuronal threads. Alas, I am the eternal optimist. I can’t help but like you Nish, in spite of your impetuousness. That said, I will spare my esteemed PW peers the pain of further engagement on this issue.
I shall now quit the thread as symbolic seppuku. Slart, I name you as my second.
You’re Luke before he finished his Jedi training
no im anakin after he crossed over to the dark side.
and im never comin back.
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no im anakin after he crossed over to the dark side
Actually, I think Jar-Jar Binks is a lot closer to the mark.
And here I was thinking I could show you how to handle a lightsaber.
It gets even better when people like Broderick explain what the situation must be based upon their own assumptions and churchgoing behavior. Meanwhile, I just listened to some schmuck from Brite Divinity School defending Wright’s hate speech as prophetic tradition. This includes the US/AIDS creation bit as, while not being literally true being “black” truth, because of, you know, Tuskeegee, where we (read Whitey) intentionally infected black men with syphilis, which is a fact so it’s proof of the lie. The trouble is, that isn’t a fact either.
Wright and his ilk can cram their “prophetic tradition” where the sun doesn’t shine. Hate is hate, lies are lies, and sunlight is the best disinfectant. Baracky may have brought about morning in America, but not the way he was hoping to.
malaclypse,
Anything more dangerous than a flashlight with one of those yellow plastic cone thingys on it, and she’s bound to hurt herself.
can’t find it now, but I read something recently about how it’s not “prophetic tradition”, because that usually entails criticizing/correcting your own people, not blaming others for your problems.
Prophets, and prophecy, became (wrongly) synonymous with fortune telling because real prophetic tradition follows a specific pattern. A people turn away from God. A prophet, someone who recognizes that the rules are not being followed, arises who says, “God will smaketh thee if thou doest not follow the rules.”
When enough people got smacked, the idea of foretelling the future acreted to the concept–it looked like prescience, in reality it’s just pattern recognition.
But yeah, the whole thing is about correcting flawed behavior in the community being prophecied to.
In this case, it seems to be more about making shit up and looking for places to lay blame.
If this story is true about Pat Buchanan why hasn’t it had as much media coverage as the Rev Wright story? There are many in the media and political arena that view Pat as a “close friend”. Did anyone here this on the news?
Political News blog writes this;
Apparently, some Republicans thought Barack Obama’s speech on race relations in the US got it wrong. White Americans have it far than worse than Obama imagined, especially given all the black men raping white women, says GOP commentator Pat Buchanan.*
And all that moaning Obama did about the legacy of slavery and how it manifests itself in the discourse of someone like Rev. Jeremiah Wright is historically wrong on many levels.
To begin with, African Americans should be grateful for slavery in the USA:
America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. (END)
#311
I think it’s unfair to think of them as children and a mistake as well. We , the west, think of sub saharan africa as monolithic, but the pre-colonial tribal divisions still exist. The greatest failure of colonialism was to assume that the natives were incapable of self governance and not include them in national decision making. That, of course, is a very limited analysis because the problems are as veried as the countries themselves. I agree. What we aquire too cheaply we do not hold dear.
– If you took the time to look at the percentages of race on race rape, you SicFrogs would just have one more aspect of the real world you’d have to revise with the usual deflections and bullshit. The forest of strawmen is getting as thick as a Wizard of Oz convention.
– And nishi/Lisa, you are free to play your self-delusional mind games all you please. This Independent is not going to put his “x” on anyone that belongs to, and refuses to totally reject, Black separatism. Period.
– In spite of all your temporizing, this is not going to go away. Sorry to spoil your daydreams with facts on the ground.
The micro-management of speech is a scary line for the media to cross. This countries first amendment of the constitution insures the freedom of speech and the freedom of press. How ironic is it that the press, better known as the media is the new tool of speech oppression. For the main stream media to perpetuate the ignorance of speech suppression is irresponsible and destructive. A strong distrust for ones government was not a crime but rather a duty in some of our founding fathers eyes. Too many Americans have been or are being persecuted by a relentless and unforgiving media only concerned with a higher profit margin. For the media to fuel the fires of hate by taking exception to what one says in regards to his or her government, religion and yes race is a dangerous game.
Takes Obama a long time to make up his mind or a short time when polls are involved. Unfortunately, he is not president material yet. Give him 12 years and he could be ready.
At least we would have history on him to make a judgment. At this time, we have only his word, which changes with audience and polls.
The problem is who do we have – Clinton? Give me a break, McCain – nice fellow but couldn’t we find better. Appears no good leaders want to run in this environment.
think it’s unfair to think of them as children and a mistake as well. We ,
Since the children comment is attributed to me (although misapplied by the TTP) – I just want to clear that up. I referred to those who took AID from the US, but then whined like bitches about us were children.
And, I agree with Rusty. A few years back there was a great article about Africa (I searched for a bit, but couldn’t find it) – and the advice was, basically, that we have to leave Africa alone. It needs to solve it’s own problems. We’ve tried intervention, we’ve tried aid …
I think the tricky part is – how do we stand by and watch? The growing pains may be too awful.
@ #288
She’s Luke before he finished his Potti training.
yeah, Matthew, welcome to the hub of hate-speech generation. Here we’ve got so-called “independents” ignoring the fact that Republicans have extorted billions of dollart and gotten away with it and yet the Hate-speech generators just can’t get over that the Democrats might have a dark-skinned man running for President. A member of the despised race that points out past injustices that Conservatives have inflicted upon the ‘despised race’. Rev. Wright’s descriptions of America from his perspective were essentially true. It’s just that conservatives here can’t get over the lack of Patriotism, their Jingoist fantasy that if all people just let their Republican leaders steal and fleece the American public things will be alright.
Obama is a true patriot as he is a critical thinker, not a jingoist, nor knee-jerk authoritarians like Reagan or the Bushes. McCain? He’s got the advantage I’ll admit, but when he flip-flopped and embraced Bush’s war upon the middle class, McCain’s got some explaining to do. David Brooks ignored McCain’s economic policies which entail yet more hardship and despair for the lower middle class that has suffered 7 years of income fall during Bush 2’s regime… when inflation has killed every minor wage gain and now the housing bubble is only just starting to pop.
trust Keating 5 McCain? Happy, you’ve been smoking in that cubical haven’t you?
let’s stop right there:
To begin with, African Americans should be grateful for slavery in the USA
isn’t that the point of this thread?
hey, I am not the most congenial of guys…but?
–“Rev. Wright’s descriptions of America from his perspective were essentially true.”
– No they were not. They were the lies of a bigot aimed at people that are trying to move on, but stalled in the mire of Lefturd racism. A bigot that preaches separatiem, and devisive nonsense, as well as the most feckless lies.
– Calling Me and others racist because we refuse to embrace racism is the absolute fundemental tactic of the Left, and it isn’t working anymore.
– You’re not going to get My vote with that approach, so you’ll have to revise the old tricks or suffer the consequences.
War upon the middle class? dave, you need to spend less time typing on the internet and more time fashioning a chapeau with this fine product.
Never, ever mistake us for a bunch of Pat Buchanan clones, dave. And: you’re still an idiot. Those two statements have a causal relationship; best figure it out for yourself.
“Many” in this context could mean anything more than two. I’ve long regarded Buchanan as a guy whose paranoid tendencies nearly always overpower his commonsense inclinations to keep his mouth shut about stuff like this. Just as well, though, to have it out in the open. Yes, there’s a fringe of Buchananites, just as there’s a fringe of naked protestors and papier-mache puppeteers. Deal.
From his perspective, yes. But factually wrong.
Admonishment would be a great deal easier to take, coming from someone who had anything like a worldview that was consistent with the real world.
sjimason,
Well, there go his chances of being elected President. Although the American people have already made that judgment repeatedly and overwhelmingly. I think you’re probably referring to this piece. IMHO, you should discuss it to your hearts content. And if it turns out that Buchanan is the longstanding mentor/spiritual adviser, or even political adviser to one of our Presidential candidates, you should feel free to make whatever inferences you like about that. Really, go ahead and talk it out.
in fine humor today, Pablo. that’s better. that foil hat thing seems to be politically right and left on the blogs, going both ways….haven’t kept up with its derivation, seems vaguely reminiscent of Devo. Not just any Chapeau! A plastic one made out of petroleum products is more my style. Off to the bath to soak and do a fade on what little hair I’ve got.
Start cutting; I’m standing here with raised katana.
Unfortunately, I think it’s also the duty of the second to clean up the mess, unless you’ve designated a next of kin to do the job. So I hope you’ll forgive this layer of visqueen I’ve spread over everything. It’s almost impossible to get bloodstains and the smell of viscera out of hand-joined wood flooring.
On the other hand, in our culture it’s perfectly permissible to admit error and move on, erring no more, and continue to live.
– “From his perspective, yes. But factually wrong.”
– I’m not about to cut him that kind of slack Slart. Accusing an entire race of people of intentional genocide is not simply a matter of skewed perspective. It takes a certain level of hate to even consider such a thing as possible, let alone preach it as a fact. Black Separatism, never mind the gussied up Leftdork academic inspired names they try to pretty it up with, is every bit as bigoted as the White Aryan brotherhood. Both groups should be marginalized and ridiculed whenever possible.
– Its not perspective of any sort. Its red meat for the flock. The good Rev seems to have gone underground. I don’t blame him.
Yeah, sure Slart. Nixon’s numerio uno speech writer and a leader in the Conservative Devolution is sooooo unpopular he’s making millions getting media contracts all over the place. Buchanen’s A Republican Brand. (and I don’t think McCain was guilty of much for the Keating Five scandal either but that’s another Republcan Branding iron too.) We’re only given so many tools to play with and the Rovian, Buchanen race-baiting thing is all to repeatable and as gary, marge (those two whom I didn’t even read ’til now) or thor, lisa and I have pointed out that is the fact the thread here has the rationale of beating Obama with Repetitions of his RACIAL-NESS. )
keep the invectives to a minimum. SkyPilot.
You’re saying hate must be censored. Hate is evil. Ban hate.
When a teenager gets mad at me for disciplining him or her and says: “I hate you.” I know I am making progress…..then I calmly advise them that passion is a good thing and use it wisely.
Nixon: such a popular name brand.
Dave still hasn’t learned that nothing sells advertising like the constant pot-stirring of controversy. Buchanan is a professional pot-stirrer. Buchanan was ejected from the Republican Party over a decade ago; ever since then he’s been a media darling. Think about that for a second, if you can get the thinker fired up. I blame the Right, though.
You haven’t pointed it out in any way that looks pointy, dave. Which end of the stick is pointing to a racist?
I actually don’t know if Obama is a racist, dave, but his pastor is, undeniably. I mean, there’s all sorts of evidence of that.
What’s interesting more than whether Obama is a racist, is how he’s pussyfooted around disavowal of his church’s racist precepts. You’d think that was interesting, if it was a white Republican doing that.
– Hmmmm, seems its all finally caught up with you datavoid.
–“….the rationale of beating Obama with Repetitions of his RACIAL-NESS.”
– Absolutely datadump. That is the whole point. I will not vote for ANYONE that bases his approach to his private/official life on race.
– Now surely as a card carrying member of the Utopian collective, the very embodiment of the “touchy-feelly-caring-iness” cult of the super tolerant”, you wouldn’t be suggesting we should vote for a racist for either side, now would you?
…..?
…..?
……..dave?
bbh, I said a few times…essentially deep down we’re probably all racists. I know I am. But I try to overcome it. Obama’s been battleing it both ways. Newsweek’s “When Barack was Barry” article tries to show how he’s really truly a ‘self-made’ man in that racialness in his division of identities has matured him far beyond the norm. For instance, he saw the former Stokeley Carmicheal (sp?), (now with a afro type of name), haranguing a woman for doubting his leadership and Obama turned away from that ‘revolutionary’ kind of chauvinism. The Lincoln analogy is apt due to Obama’s fecund verbal abilities and ability to change tactics for a better policy while holding to principle (of not throwing away whatever he believes is important). He could lose my interest if his image as brilliant political leader changes and right now he’s got as much chance as McGovern to being elected President…but McGovern still was a better man than Nixon.
As for the tu quoque discussion above, dave, I don’t say your arguments are wrong because you’re inconsistent, illogical and ill-informed; they’re wrong because they’re factually incorrect.
Now, I don’t hold back much on pointing out how illogical, etc you are, but that’s a separate discussion.
But I do think it’s perfectly ok, logically (although humorously ironic) for you to pick out the logical fallacies of others, even though pointing out your own could consume entire threads.
dd woke up all full of piss and vinegar today. It is apparent that the Left simply cannot comprehend how anyone could not want to vote for such a fine young balck man. Maybe because he advocates a policy that will result in anarchy and genocide in Iraq, socialist/Marxist economic thinking, and in general, has little to no executive experience anywhere on his resume. Add to that his desire to meet with and give legitimacy to crackpots, and his lack of experience and naievete is a recipe for disaster. See dd, all of that has nothing to do with his skin color. The only people voting because of race are on your side of the aisle.
I mean, you did after all just attempt a guilt-by-association argument, even though the person in question is not, in fact, associated with any regardable subset of regulars, here.
Matthew,
Repetition is not suppression. In fact, it’s the opposite as it puts the speech before a wider audience. Especially now that we’re in a 24 hour news cycle, you can expect that if you say something asinine, the entire world is going to know about it by tomorrow and they’ll be talking about it for days/weeks to come.
While that reality might be an incentive to thoroughly consider what you’re going to say, it does not suppress speech. It just increases the social cost of saying idiotic things. The media isn’t managing speech, it’s merely repeating it.
Please cite where his record shows that.
– Chelsea thinks her mom would make a better Pres. than her dad was.
– Apparently she doesn’t forgive him either.
One last thing on Buchanan: in the 2000 Presidential election, Pat Buchanan got a total of less than half a million votes.
That’s not in just one state, that’s in the whole country. So, no, I don’t think Pat is all that popular as a voice that speaks for any regardable chunk of the population. And if you look at where the Buchanan votes are coming from, you’ll notice a peculiar correlation. I’ll leave you to figure it out.
dd – Baracky holds true to a set of principles and doesn’t discard them in rough times. Senor Wright and Grandmama got thrown under the back of the bus quicker than you could blink.
“I referred to those who took AID from the US, but then whined like bitches about us were children.”
such a lie carin. quit weaseling. this is wat u said…..
Because they are like little children who couldn’t solve their problems in the first place.
O has never even said ANYTHING u guyz can quote about BLT…so….ur accusing him of bein thot controlled by wright.
yet u wanna give carin a pass cuz…..she didnt really mean that
whited sepulchres.
“in our culture it’s perfectly permissible to admit error and move on”
how about carin admits she said something RACIST by ACCIDENT that liely reflects her TRUE FEELINGS and we can all move on?
slart, I know that sjimason was the one saying that. But the popularity of this thread eludes me but maybe due to nishi, lisa and a few others getting you going (en mass). And Pablo, such 24 hours dogged parsing of everything a pol might say…maybe that forces them to say ‘damn little’ (as Obama’s been accused of). I should know for any slight exaggeration I’ve said…although I did read some WSJ article years ago. Come to think of it, I am not sure what your policy ideas are either.
yeah, exaggeration though isn’t limited to me, eh, Jd?
later, nice day to see a client and do stuff but coold still. Ah, Global Warming isn’t happening today. And if Obama gets elected the AntiChrist won’t appear either. maybe both later. keep’n our options open.
One more thing on Buchanan. While Slart’s assessment of him in #367 is spot on, there’s a significant difference between him and Wright, at least vis a vis the statements in question: Buchanan doesn’t seem to be lying about anything. (I am specifically not saying that everything he’s ever said is true, only that I see no clear factual failures in the piece in question) Is he heated, or over the top? Yes. But he’s wrapping his rhetoric in facts, while Wright and his sycophants happily inject bald faced lies into theirs, and justify doing so with the notion that it feels truthy to them, so therefore it is “their truth.” That does nothing but unnecessarily inflame passions and justify the perpetuation of ignorance.
You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
– Data….I could have accepted Obama as a viable candidate, even considered voting for him, if for no other reason than wanting to bust up the beltway gang, and assuming the country isn’t going to fall apart with a Socialist in the WH for 4 years, particularly since I don’t believe any of the candidates is going to chance the horrendous backlash that would ensue if they tried to dump Iraq.
– All the man had to do was totally reject racism as an aspect, in any way, of his candidacy. Yes, I know how difficult going against a loud and vociferous gaggle of racist/ideologs can be, but if you want the Office you have to be for ALL people, regardless of race. The old rules have changed, and any candidate that refuses to see that and act accordingly just isn’t going to cut it.
– So its his call, and so far hes come up wanting.
No, it doesn’t force anything. If you’ve got a problem with saying different things to different crowds, it might cause you to say damned little. But the problem there is the mendacity, not the coverage.
– Pablo….I can understand the Lefts angst. Whats the point of having a sizable amount of the media in your pocket if you can’t spread propaganda because of the intense oversight. That has to suck.
well Karl-sama, certainly u are my better, but i think ur over the top, all-Obama-all-the-time coverage is premature.
ur blastin away, emptyin all chambers, 7 months before the general?
i can only think that must be because u feel O is the more dangerous candidate, and u seek to bias the nom toward HRC.
i smell fear.
The only people who think Buchanan is a Republican are Democrats. Buchanan himself left the party/was forced out, and doesn’t consider himself a Republican anymore.
He’s much more a Democrat anymore — protectionism, antisemitism, race-based policies.
–“i smell fear.”
– Then perhaps a shower is in order, and a bit of the anti-cult cologne.
if u thot the wright story had legs…..better to keep ur powder dry for the general, rather than supersaturatin the electorate.
FOXnews too has been pretty much all Obama alla time this week.
the attention span of the electorate is short.
– Again with the daydreams nishi. Obama has to have a fair amount of Independents, as well as crossover and women. Without all three he can’t get a majority.
– He will not get a majority unless he convinces voters like Myself it was all a misunderstanding. Not going away nishi. Not now. Not during the general. He has to face it straight on. No third way.
Did she just say that Wright is looking tanned?
RACIST!!!
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BBH, the blue line trends up….resilience.
haha, omg she did say tanned!
Wright is pretty light skinned, tho……likely a hybrid like O or assortative mating.
i love maya angelou.
my favorite thing she ever said….
“when someone shows you who they are…..believe them.
the first time.”
i dont think O has shown us who he is yet.
like i said before, this a feature, not a bug.
i expect he will embark on a biography tour like mccain once he locks down the nom.
btw clever to include the “young” footage of mccain in his commerical.
but it will not help him in the live debates when contrasted with O.
u keep trying to superglue wright to O, but u are just showing us who wright is.
better to ask the ask the questions that will define O.
Baracky, why did you and M’chelle give tens of thousands of dollars to people that spread viciously anti-American propaganda? Are you proud of that?
Rev. Moss, thinks whites placed the n-word in rap and are responsible for trying to eliminate blacks with crack cocaine. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. So why isn’t Obama quiting? The hypotheitical as been reified and yet he doesn’t demand an apology from Rev. Moss and he’s not quiting.
i think…inspite of his clever, dedicated, rational, thoughtful analysis, Karl-sama has a gut feelin that O will be the candidate.
mala-sama, do u know all the meanings of matoko’s other name, kusanagi?
kusanagi-no-tsurugi
fair question feets if u leave out the proud part.
subjective.
Oh ho ho ho
Oh ho ho ho!
Get down with your bad self!
http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/obama_walks_on_antimoveonorg_s.html
Obama has no spine. I’m sure Petraeus would have no personal feelings about Obama’s spinelessness and anti-Americanism, but I’d be curious as to Major John’s take on a candidate who doesn’t have the balls to even cast a vote on a matter that was in the minds of all Americans. Judgment to Lead? Judgment to Scurry more like. Does he scurry because he’s black? Does he vote ‘present’ because he’s black. No on both counts. He scurries and lays low because he doesn’t have the stones to take a stand. He is no man.
I think it’s a given Baracky is the candidate. The Democrats aren’t at all bothered by Jeremiah Farrakhan, really. Eyes on the prize. We got a war to lose.
alppucino, O was buildin a coalition to lead.
for example, GW threw a lot of ppl(like Nancy Reagan) under the bus on ESCR so he could retain theocon support.
same old same old.
…..and I’m sure you’re all well aware of why I can’t celebrate 400.
Nice job getting 402 there, al! You da man!
I bet Obama’s grandmothers can beat up your grandmothers.
like i said feets….No one will be able to do an instant withdrawal.
i’ve always been a huge supporter of GW on GulfII and the Petraeus/Kilcullen paradigm.
but its time for us to go.
the withdrawal will be gradual.
we’ll see if we can meddle constructively this time.
in Iraq, we didnt make the African-error and treat the Iraqis like children.
we have always striven to give them autonomy and involvement.
time to see if it worked.
Do obama’s grandmothers have shovels? ‘Cause they’re gonna need ’em.
Nancy Reagan is a flaky shrew. There’s only one thing Nancy has left to do.
Yes, nishi, time to go. Iran only wants what’s best for us, and Baracky’s talky powers will keep the peace and nurture stability. Pax Obama, and the colored girls go doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo…
Let’s keep this in perspective, ‘feets. Obama is only telling us that he’s going to cut and run as soon as humanly possible. But he’s not really going to do it.
Hey, I think maybe he’s showing us who he is. By golly, he’s a politician! How changey is that?
–“better to ask the ask the questions that will define O.”
– We don’t want to define him. Just the opposite. We want the truth. We await some straightforward answers.
The hypotheitical as been reified and yet he doesn’t demand an apology from Rev. Moss and he’s not quiting.
By all signs so far, it appears that Obama’s been infected with an intractable case of the Liberation Theology Blues – well, at least that’s something. But it probably wasn’t authentic until he got himself hitched to Michelle. Now that’s Oppression.
Someone needs to empty their butt and put the hamster back on Karl-bot’s hamster wheel.
Freshen the Obama threads! We Want Change! We Want Change! We Want Change!
The specific nature of Obama’s association with Wright suggests one of four things to my mind:
1. Obama’s weltanschauung is basically resonant with Wright’s.
2. Obama never adduced Wright’s weltanschauung.
3. Obama adduced Wright’s weltanschauung, found it lacking, but maintained his relationship with Wright (whom Obama describes as a mentor) for political expediency.
4. Obama adduced Wright’s weltanschauung, found it lacking, but maintained his relationship with Wright (whom Obama describes as a mentor) with the hope of helping Wright to employ a better kind of thinking.
Are there other ways to explain this? This list seems exhaustive to me. None of these interpretations seems to speak well of Baracky. If #1 is true, he is a racist and fabulist. If #2 is true, he’s an idiot. If #3 is true, he is a calculating liar. If #4 is true, I suppose the worst you can say is that he is tilting at windmills, although after 20 years of recalcitrance from Wright, you’d think Obama would have seen the folly.
Slart, I erred. That said, I still like Nishi. I want to believe that some day she’ll shed all the pretense though I guess I’ve got some of teh quixotic in me too.
wow feets…
nancy reagan is a flaky shrew cuz she had to watch her husband’s cruel death-by-centimeters of Alzheimers?
cuz she supported the ESCR expansion bill?
just…wow.
again, mala-sempai, all suggestion, all speculation.
verbage and video supports wat wright thinks…..nothing u have shown me suggests O embraces that belief system.
sometimes a church is just a church.
–“sometimes a church is just a church.”
– Unless of course, its being used as a political dodge.
Nancy Reagan is a flaky shrew.
It’s the Crisco.
“Iran only wants what’s best for us”
too simplistic feets.
most of the population of Iran wants to be us.
nejad an the ayatullahs simply want to retain power, w/e it takes.
Al Qaeda and Iran and one spectacular and Baracky will sound the horns. To be sure, there may be a pause as he’ll want the visuals… rooftop helicopters and boat peoples and slaughter. But the retreat will be swift for all that, and then he’ll propose reparations. It’s pretty clear Baracky thinks that sky-high oil is the lever that can foster a glorious expansion of dependency on a benevolent government. $4/gallon gas will kill the incumbent party, says nishi. But $9/gallon gas will be Baracky’s first line of defense against anti-socialist reactionaries. Change!
– Nancy “the trouble with” Pelosi, has as of yet, not endorsed any of the candidates.
– She just thinks white Senators from NY should STFU.
malaclypse,
I concur. There are no other possibilities that I can see, except an possible amendment to #3 in which he’s been browbeaten into passive participation by M’chelle, which also doesn’t speak to leadership, strength and judgment. And as for #4, I’ve seen nothing to suggest that being the case, though as I’ve said before, if Obama is the uniter he claims to be, I’d be tickled to see him start with getting his pastor into the Kumbaya circle.
But though it might even act like a Teratoma, a salad is always just a salad.
/sigh
i try to be all subtle an zen, but then no one gets it.
a katatana is a single-edge sword.
the kusanagi-no-tsurugi cuts both ways.
katana…
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Baracky is not teh subtle. Katrina is his sensei, and the katatana he wields is a media that’s willing and eager to contrive and glorify defeat and failure… failure of foreign policy, failure of capitalism.
Baracky liberation theology.
the *katana* he wields…
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Anyone else think of this when this subject came up?
“You’ve got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught
From year to year,
It’s got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff’rent shade,
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You’ve got to be carefully taught!”
to return to the topic of this post….
i agree with Karl-sama, that O went on the View for damage control.
the RPC poll averages show that helped.
after falling below mccain, the blue line trends back up.
that demonstrates resiliance.
every time O makes an appearance, ppl will remember more about wat O looks like and sounds like, and less about rev. wright. it is visual and aural reinforcement of why they were drawn to him in the first place.
if the rightside keeps bangin on it with no fresh disclosures, the electorate will get bored.
if the polls trend down on wright-based issue, O will counter with increasing levels of rational explanations.
unlike the rightside, he is savin some ammo for later.
the original speech was all about “stoppin the loop”.
i say that speech + the View have done it, as i look at the poll averages.
we will see wat the polls show this week.
if it wasnt enuff, if the polls turn down, there will be further public appearances.
but O is calculating his response tactically, locally, just enuff response to secure the dem nom.
he will battle mccain for the independents later, strategically…perhaps that will involve a huge mea culpa.
but O is keepin something back right now, like any good commander.
O is doin just enough.
OTOH, the rightside is in a feedin frenzy, and firin all tubes at once.
id keep a few in reseverve if it were me.
.0145
Media appearances with teh fawning and post-menopausal is what will bore the public I think. Baracky’s tactical response is to run from a fight, to reframe and change the subject. What Baracky is keeping back is the courage of his convictions. Nebulous hope and nebulous change. It’s the politics of mantra.
What Baracky is keeping back is the courage of his convictions.
perhaps…but it is still good tactical strategey.
he may have to pour his guts on the floor and beat his chest with mea culpas later.
there is no advantage for him in doin it now.
its like wargaming really, u want to keep to keep some memetic weapons in reserve.
allocating resources.
how about carin admits she said something RACIST by ACCIDENT that liely reflects her TRUE FEELINGS and we can all move on?
I know it’s best to ignore this, but nishi calling me a racist pisses me off. You can just fuck off. I don’t view the politics of AFRICA in a black and white way. For the majority of my life “I’ve” been the minority, and at the ugly end of racism. I chalk it up to ignorance and get on with my life. My best friends growing up and my close neighbors as an adult were all black. Since I’ve lived in DEtroit for practically ALL my life, how could it have been any other way?
Fuck off, TTP.
Slart, I erred. That said, I still like Nishi. I want to believe that some day she’ll shed all the pretense though I guess I’ve got some of teh quixotic in me too.
She’s too thick in the head. She (willfully) misunderstands people’s viewpoints and then repeats her version of someone else’s argument over and over like some fucking child.
Carin – She is a fucking child. That’s what Malaclypse has been saying. She needs to learn humility.
She’s just another noob on the bus.
The short bus, at that.
im just replayin ur words carin.
you’re tryin to spin them.
as opposed to you guyz replayin wrights words and tryin to spin that O said them.
Baracky’s skeezey wife mirrors Wright way too much though. M’chelle has a dim opinion of America as it’s presently constituted, and she’s been altogether silent and press unavailable. M’chelle I think is Baracky’s liaison to their hatey anti-American church, and you’ve got to wonder why if Baracky can’t denounce his hatey pastor of twenty years, why can’t she not denounce him too?
M’chelle and Baracky were equally generous in begifting the propaganda of Wright’s hate-whitey church. They both knelt in Jeremiah’s hatey pews for years and years and years. Is M’chelle’s new-found pride related to a decision to reject Wright’s God damning of America? Tell us about your spiritual journey… as First Lady, what will you do to combat the ignorance of those who would believe that America created AIDS?
But M’chelle’s grandmother is not a hatey white bitch. This is a problem. M’chelle can no more disown Jeremiah than she can disown…
?
MCLAUGHLIN, YOU BASTARD! or were we talking about Elenor Clift?
Anyone else think of this when this subject came up?
“You’ve got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught…”
Identity Politics 101.
Really? When did that happen? Last I looked he had just staged a coup and taken over Perot’s vanity party.
Maybe if I paid closer attention to this alleged spiritual father of the GOP I’d know where he is and what he’s doing on any given day.
Maybe I should join his church and attend faithfully for 20 years, or something.
…but from what Obama says, I still might not have the slightest inkling from that what Buchanan stands for…
Begala?
RACIST!!!!ONE!
The TTP pisses you off because it helps keep chum coming. Mmmm. Tasty.
Wow. This has to be one of the longest threads I’ve ever seen on this site. Of course, with all the barking moonbats out in force supporting the Obamamessiah, perhaps it’s not so surprising. But very entertaining…
And Carin, remind me never to piss you off….:)
I really do miss Jeff. And I worry about the no new posts thing. This place is important.
Well, for the future, if a TTP pisses me off, my response will be FOAD, and I’ll leave it at that.
As for no new posts – well, I haven’t seen Dan around, and I think zombieboy scared Karl off from posting yesterday. FTR, Karl, I enjoy your posts, and in Jeff’s absence it keeps things going. It’s a shame Jeff couldn’t let us (or his support staff) in on when he was gonna post and then people would know- in advance- to back off and give his posts “breathing room” so to speak.
Where the heck is Dan? Is he sick?
Where the heck is Dan? Is he sick?
Maybe we’re all just supposed to “go lift”? Hey, better yet, why not let’s just talk about “lifting”? ……Naw.
though, technically, shouldn’t it be CONTINENTIST!!!?
It’s important to remember I think sometimes that as cowardly and socialisty Baracky Hussein Chavez is, Hillary really is a cooze. You can tell she gets her cooze rocks off on this fantasy here. What a truly vile woman.
Oh. Here’s a better link.
TTP typical Transvestite Person? Caron?
Anyway, has anyone wondered if Enoch’s offer of reforming this site hasn’t been taken and if Dan’s, Jeff’s and Karl’s absence is just forwarning for the launching of the new remodeled site? Just an idea as ?’s were flying at this mega thread of 400 plus about their absence today…but maybe we all need a break anyway?
Pissing you off is the goal of a griefer. It only works if you allow it.
Dan was complaining of computer problems. And wicked long threads really suck on the Q phone.
Thanks for that happy. Now if I understand Hill’s position:
China threatens to foreclose on US, borrower is bad.
Bank threatens to foreclose on deadbeat borrower, bank is bad.
What if one borrower were to loan another borrower money?
She’s on the ropes is all. It’s not pretty. New topic. Here’s the best thing I read so far today. Stop-Loss is just an unforgivably cruel and stupid movie he says, and I think he demonstrates it pretty well.
Exactly Happy, just fukn’ nasty and divisive she is….but she doesn’t mention the huge inflated figures of money supposedly owed to the Shadow Banking System which is Gazillions. I’ve heard figures of 47 to 200 plus Trillion dollars. And where’d they come up with figures like that? Leveraged wanna-money inflated fantasy dollars they say they have but really are banking on the Fed. Reserve to print it up for them. The guys at CityGroup (‘World’s largest Corporation’) say it’s really, really there that kind of money and their 7 or 8 figure salaries says it’s there…but lately I am having my doubts. (What’s t couple or so Trillion owed to China in that kind of staggering amount?)
alpuccino – Anti-semite !
Pablo – long threads are tough on a phone.
Am I the only one that thinks that the nishidiot and dd have a set of rants saved and they just copy and paste them over and over again, regardless of topic.
I am taking Kaitlin to see Hillary speak here in Indy tomorrow. I got kicked in the nads at Krav class, so Hillary can’t be all bad in comparison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer jeesh, more gaming speech. No wonder Nishi’s comfy here. I’ll stick to Go.
I am thinking about that argu-generator meant to inflate hits on the ol blog I invest into, better than that system they got here that’s sending advertisement sites as posts in the old threads no longer visited. Pretty cool way to inflate the ‘hits’. I don’t know who’s doing it but no one’s blocking it either.
CitiGroup…..must be i, don’t ask why. Their motto!
@ #459
RTO had some thoughts at the Pub.
Talking Back to Boomer Noises.
This was interesting about Stop-Loss director Kimberly Pierce from the comments and then I’ll stop jacking…
Also I missed this, which seems a lot post-worthy all by itself. Here’s where that started. And this is where it went, a lot courtesy of our pal Melissa McEwan, who is featured in a charming photo.
I think it didn’t like that “where that started” link… but the video is at the last link anyway.
Oops. Thanks, guins.
And Barack and Michelle sang to their children as they left church,
“You have to be carefully taught!”
Does Baracky celebrate Christmas or some Kwanzaa shit is what i want to know right up front.
I dunno, haps. You can ask him and maybe he’ll answer. It’s only one question and not like six or seven or eight.
Oh. NPR pimps Stop-Loss hard this weekend.
is how their piece starts. Too funny.
Their swishy reviewer can’t find a slant to the movie at all…
They interview the director… and ask her how soldiers who have seen the film have reacted … she dodges that one. My favorite is when the NPR twat asks Kimberly… Do you see any similarities between transsexual Tina Brandon/Brandon Tina from Boys Don’t Cry and Brandon King, the protagonist of Stop-Loss?
“They both really want to be loved and accepted in their communities” is how Kimberly’s answer starts.
Gack.
Kwanzaa creeps me out. It’s all blatantly commie like Esperantu and every bit as contrived.
So why don’t you kick Hillary in the nads while you’re there JD?
oh, imagine that! *sigh*
much fun as that might be, um, there’s this thing called Secret Service. and JD’s got chillren(s).
you’re not your usual happy self..what’s up?
The important thing ‘feets, is that it’s tanking. No one gives a shit except them what made it. I saw something about them, but I can’t be bothered to find the link because it really doesn’t matter, which is a good sign.
Yes and no I think.
That’s really a lot stupid. It’s wasn’t made for Americans, except maybe as a very limited preach to the converted, buck up the hippies, give Showtime a little fodder kind of thing. This was made for export. It matters.
hf, what was that Einstein said about continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result?
It’s a documentary though. It can still do the netflix/pay cable thing here and could do anything from a straight to BBC1 and ABC etc overseas to a hype-building festival tour … Cannes, Berlin, etc, and any number of combinations really. Never forget that there will never ever be a project of a contrary point of view afforded any such opportunity. McCain a lot forgot that part when he hatched his brilliant campaign finance regime.
Jeez. NPR is pimping Stop-Loss even harder than I realized. They must have had higher hopes than I thought, cause this isn’t the sort of thing that just happens without studio coordination. Hah. They’re so cute. Can you spot teh NPR in this paragraph?
great, great, now you’ve got RTO angrily typing away at NPR.
um, in #479, is it the gender?
I e-mailed the NPR Ombudsman after following your link HF. Not that I expect anything to come of it.
Yeah… I thought the gender thing was funny. Yes – that’s the new ombudsman, she seems pretty toothless… they brought her in without a lot of fanfare… I wrote them once, long time ago, on how they pimped Sex and the City in their news copy and gave the story prominent placement as an “editors pick” on the website (Warner Home Video was a sponsor) … It was this story.
It’s transparently a giveaway to Warner Home video … several reasons, but to keep it short… ask yourself if it’s a good thing or a bad thing for WHV to get the word out that the Sex in the City you would get if you bought the DVDs would be unedited, unlike the TBS version?
I never heard back … but the next week the ombudstwat wrote this…
Corrupt little organization. No question, really.
Oh. But I should be clear that the ombudstwat’s response may have been just coincidence I guess.
Ombudstwat[s]
God bless you hap & RTO, for tilting at wingdbags.
Yeah, but who cares if some stupid Yank killbot has to do another tour? Fool never should have joined the Imperialist Occupation Army of Amerikkka in the first place. I guess that this will only preach to the choir is my point.
From the NPR dork:
Somebody ought to tell the Selective Service that they can all go home now. Or, smack the NPR dork upside his/her head, along with Tyson.
Because of the customer is always wrong !
Mmmmmmm………
Your bitter tears taste so sweet.
#461
I’ve quit reading both nishi and dd. They bring nothing to the conversation except their egos with very little to be egotistical about. Besides stupidity is contageous.
oh, Rusty you’re so rusty.
anyway, happy’s extolling of censorship which is really in essence what he is saying is a bit nauseating. I am sure “Green Baret’s, Iraq version” will be out for his consumption anytime now. A little more of the coolaid for the cubical set. Spent three hours with my Viet nam vet friend yesterday just bantering about the martial arts scene and our real Chinese teachers in the field and he’s still crazy after all these years with his roots in an Obama type of family w/o the interracialness but with grandparents and aunts bringing him up and then major violence while at war. Believes in Indian shamans, vision quests and hawks talking to people and is a sort of hippy teaching Tai Chi to old people but a good killer too, meaning lots of action in the Marines “in country” and he can get pissed off So how does that square with the antiHippy rhetoric here. His father was the role model for the Robert DeNiro steel worker in the movie ‘Deerhunter’ (meaning “Mike” just hung out with the workers in his role and learnt them real close up and all and the steel plant in Cleveland where we were both born is in the movie as is the church. Funny, his father, a total Archie Bunker Ukrainian version, was pissed his son signed up for the marines at 17. Things don’t always fit your preconceived notions of life, eh, “ditto heads”(!).
The movie sounds, eh, a bit accurate about the ‘balls’ of this generation coming of age….like no balls.
Name a recent film about the Middle East… Lions for Lambs, Rendition, In The Valley of Elijah… and you’re talking about a flop.
because the war was a flop. Now, ‘Three Kings’…that was a damn good movie about Iraq. Funny and accurate about how we’re abandoning the Kurds and the Shiites..yet again. I guess Iraq war 1 and 2 seem about the same. Three Kings made money too.
Kwanzaa creeps me out. It’s all blatantly commie like Esperantu and every bit as contrived.
jeesh, still fighting commies? Esperanto! is better than Latin. kwanzaa sounds Kewl!!
pushing for 500!!!! who’s doing it?
piece of cake.
are u the jawa rusty?
or just some generic rusty.
Who is this abandoning “we” you speak of, dave? Democrats? And why do you suppose it is that the Kurdish areas are years ahead of the rest of Iraq in terms of security and economic development?
once upon a time i blogged about my friend Pat’s movie Young Americans right here….
do u think NPR will promote it, feets?
its a documentary.
;)
Let’s see if we can push this to 500.
I think it can be done.
Just a little further…
500!!!!
Nah, that can’t be more that about 350th, Mikey. Congrats on that, though.
I admit I ‘bait’ questions. I am afraid we will abandon the Kurds in support of the overwhelming pressure from the Turks yet again. And Saudi-backed Sunnis are making inroads into inner Kurdistan also. The Bushies are so in bed with the Sunnis and Turks so far. Shiites are the minority sector of Islam and only predominate near “Persia”, they have an inferiority complex for sure and just offing Shiites kind of offends them. Let’s play again the greatest video for recruiting Shiites against Americans: Blackwater sniper Seeing the Americans nonchalantly ‘offing’ dozens of Shiites kind of gives me the creeps even when I am not a Shiite. “Holy Shit, look at all them fuckers!” Yeah, making friends with the Shiites..it’s the same now as 3 or 4 years ago. How many of these copies are out on the web? (and the apparently random shooting at passing buses and cars..hmm what’s that all about?)
i did internet fundraisin for both Pat and for Bill Roggio, didnt i pablo?
does that frost ur chaps that i uneqivocably support the Iraq experiment, the Petraeus/Kilcullen model AND Obama?
oh, who’s Pat Dollard? Propagandist…..making the Islamic’s case that America is against all Iraqis. How does a bunch of ass-kissing job hungry pathetic humans make Pat’s case?
“does that frost ur chaps that i uneqivocably support the Iraq experiment, the Petraeus/Kilcullen model AND Obama?”
that makes sense to me.. after spending conservatively 2 Trillion on the experiment we’d BETTER win it! Obama is less likely to put up with the Conservative Contractor Phenomenon and maybe, just maybe, tax the people most responsible (over 300k a year) for the corruption that’s caused a 60 billion war to get in the 3 Trillion and up range (with 40 years of future expenses conservatively added on). People forget the costs accrued by the Viet Nam war are still being paid off Now. And a major stagflation period followed the ‘active’ phase of that war but the detritus effect carried on esp. thru the 70’s with so many ‘friend’s’ getting disability checks that the expenses piled up higher even after the war….. and the political effects? Reaganism, etc. Mo(u)rning in America. And major deficits. Lose this one and the Reactionaries will make Timothy McVie look like a sunday school student.
Again, I call for a 20 percent surtax upon those most profitting from their investments in the current situation. (over 300K a year and tax cuts for the rest of us and that’d get the economy going like Clinton’s taxes ’93 did.)
fighting a war and just cutting taxes is a disaster..thx to Bush.
pat dollard is doin a documentary about the war.
hes makin it possible for the soljahs to represent.
Of course it makes sense to you, dave.
Guess where that comes from.
pablo O will follow Petraeus reccommends.
i dont doubt that for a heartbeat.
strong belief in the Petraeus/Killcullen model means i believe it IS working, and i believe it WILL work.
wat is said in a campaign is often orthgoanl to wat happens in a presidency.
read my lips.
Conservative Contractor Phenomenon
Funny how there were no complaints about Halliburton being utilized by the Clinton administration.
So, nishidiot, Baracky is lying to you and the Left, telling you what you want to hear, so you will vote for him. Kind of like NAFTA and Canada. An empty suit with no principles.
I are not censorship person. Mostly we were talking about NPR. NPR is corrupt cause it’s blatantly stealing our monies and making propaganda with it. This is wrong. It aggregates rich white people and a lot removes that audience from the competitive landscape, which means all the other radio has to either compete for stupid people in aggregate or take an extremely defined almost narrowcasting approach to either catch the people who NPR nauseates or grab the minorities NPR doesn’t want. Don’t tell me you haven’t noticed.
Ban Subsidies For The Rich!
Close Down NPR!
“Mostly we were talking about NPR. NPR is corrupt cause it’s blatantly stealing our monies and making propaganda with it. This is wrong”
Nope! My money, NPR gets most of it’s money from contributors like me…but also a pittance from the govt. But Your much more money in taxes goes to Halliburtan and the war, things you apparently agree with. So who’s get more ripped off you or me? I don’t want my money going to Conservative Contractors but you begrudge me my little itsy bitsy NPR. Liberals get very little for their money…except maybe monies for education and NPR. And roads. Not much else.
Besides it’s intelligent unlike your Rush Limbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly etc. You keep listening to it incessantly so I guess you agree it is “intelligent” eh, amigo? And really neutral compared to the trash talking on Privatized Propaganda networks like Fox and Clear Channel.
Start up a conservative intelligent radio network….oh, there’s a few already…but they’re either all fanatically religious or browbeating blow hards. Excellence in Radio.
You can also tune into either the BBC or CBC. Both intelligent too.
I’d suggest that you investigate how much of the federal budget goes to those entitlements you liberals so love. Hint: they make war spending look like budget dust.
Ah, so you concede that he’s lying to get elected. Thank you.
“Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”
WSJ!! I am guessing but if we can’t win it 16 mos. from Jan 09 then what good are we?
entitlements are a mixed thing…I’d like a good breakdown of what they are: Social security (already paid for by recipients theoretically is very much in the black for a few decades into the future. Armed forces benefits? A big one but ignored I think by Republican talking points. Welfare…hmm maybe 1 percent of the entitlement picture. Food stamps? growing unfortunately but basically only a crop support for big ag. Just screaming “Entitlements” like it a Loaded Gun or something isn’t making it clear for me. Break it down… and a Sense of Entitlement that’s a psychological thing that seems to go either right or left to CEOs or dumb arrogant criminals…or vice versa since ‘rich people listen to NPR’.
Social Security alone is like 40 to 45 percent of the whole budget and yet it’s almost completely paid for by the working middle class with very little contributed by the investor class. So when Republicans scream about entitlement spending being the cause of all ills they are being disingenuous in claiming their favored class of investors is paying a big portion of it as the Social Security tax is a regressive tax falling upon poor and middle class and not much upon the wealthy.
However, I left out a big Growing entitlement and that is govt. payments to the medical/health insurance racket through medicaid, medicare, SSI, which lines mostly very wealthy practitioners and businesses in those medical industries esp. “Big Pharma”… The thinking that “patients” benefit from those payments is far from the truth as USA’s stats for health are low compared to the high cost of “Sicko” health care in America.
Saying that ‘entitlements’ go to poor people mainly is far from the truth. But that is the “narrative” whenever a Republican sneers when he says “Entitlements”. Just like those big crop subsidies going to Cadillac Farmers, entitlements mostly to the well-off.