If, like me, you can’t view or listen to it, Drudge has the transcript.
It’s a movingly schmaltzy piece. It may do the trick for him. Here’s the Grand Finale:
There is a young, twenty-three year old white woman named Ashley Baia who organized for our campaign in Florence, South Carolina. She had been working to organize a mostly African-American community since the beginning of this campaign, and one day she was at a roundtable discussion where everyone went around telling their story and why they were there.
And Ashley said that when she was nine years old, her mother got cancer. And because she had to miss days of work, she was let go and lost her health care. They had to file for bankruptcy, and that’s when Ashley decided that she had to do something to help her mom.
She knew that food was one of their most expensive costs, and so Ashley convinced her mother that what she really liked and really wanted to eat more than anything else was mustard and relish sandwiches. Because that was the cheapest way to eat.
She did this for a year until her mom got better, and she told everyone at the roundtable that the reason she joined our campaign was so that she could help the millions of other children in the country who want and need to help their parents too.
Now Ashley might have made a different choice. Perhaps somebody told her along the way that the source of her mother’s problems were blacks who were on welfare and too lazy to work, or Hispanics who were coming into the country illegally. But she didn’t. She sought out allies in her fight against injustice.
Anyway, Ashley finishes her story and then goes around the room and asks everyone else why they’re supporting the campaign. They all have different stories and reasons. Many bring up a specific issue. And finally they come to this elderly black man who’s been sitting there quietly the entire time. And Ashley asks him why he’s there. And he does not bring up a specific issue. He does not say health care or the economy. He does not say education or the war. He does not say that he was there because of Barack Obama. He simply says to everyone in the room, “I am here because of Ashley.â€Â
“I’m here because of Ashley.†By itself, that single moment of recognition between that young white girl and that old black man is not enough. It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children.
But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins.
This still doesn’t begin to answer why it’s somehow excusable for a pastor to spew demagoguery and outright lies from the pulpit. You want healing? Begin with the truth.
UPDATE: The speech made this cat barf. Literally.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 8:46 am #
Game over for Hillary. We will be glossy-eyed for the next, oh, 12 month. Obama Youth!
Comment by bigbooner on 3/18 @ 8:51 am #
Don’t think this pastor is all that different than a lot of other pastors in the U.S. He’s just getting more publicity. Ho hum.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 8:52 am #
Perhaps somebody told her along the way that the source of her mother’s problems were blacks who were on welfare and too lazy to work, or Hispanics who were coming into the country illegally.
Was this intended to be some throw-away racist jab at someone, because it just does not fit with the story at all.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 8:57 am #
Wright’s getting more publicity cause he’s exponentially more shriekingly hateful and rabidly insane than anyone ever thought a pastor could be. Wright stands tall and proud for everything Baracky says he doesn’t. Let’s give him a hug.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 8:58 am #
bigbooner - Really? Your pastor says things that even get in the same orbit? I have gone to church for 38 years, and never heard a priest, bishop, nun, reverend, pastor - ANYONE - ever say god damn America. Or hate on some Jews. Or espouse that the advances of one race must come at the expense of another. Or that our God only looked our for certain races. Or damn near anything else this asshat has said, and that Obama supported until it became inconvenient to continue to do so.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 8:59 am #
No difference from I can no more disown Wright than I can know more disown Ahmadinejad or Chavez, using his logic in this speech. Baracky is a pretty depraved fuck, turns out.
Comment by Victor. on 3/18 @ 9:00 am #
Obama is going to admit that he lied when he stated that he was not aware of the Racism in his own church before he decided to run for President?
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/18 @ 9:00 am #
JD, the point is two-fold. If asked, he’ll state that it means that people shouldn’t make excuses or look to grievance to solve their problems. At the same time, it equates right-wingy characterizations with Wright’s statements.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 9:01 am #
Wright’s is getting more publicity because he has been an advisor to a man who wishes to be president. He’s not just an abstract person spouting bigoted crap, he’s a man who has the ear of a person who wishes to be the most powerful man on the planet. So what he says, and what Obama’s reaction to it has been matters.
It will be interesting to see if this speech works. I’ll have to read the whole thing, because this snippet isn’t enough, or rather, it doesn’t answer the questions I still have about Obama.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 9:02 am #
Who is a young Adolph Hitler?
Maybe he is the Antichrist. Just saying.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 9:02 am #
I’m not hearing him explain why he had him on his political campaign.
Hey– did Barack just admit there is a terrorist threat?
Comment by bigbooner on 3/18 @ 9:02 am #
I don’t go to church and I don’t give a shit about any pastor. But I have seen other videos of hate filled rhetoric coming from pulpits. I just think the pastor himself deserves derision. This sounds like a lot of what I read on the internet from the left. That’s all I’m saying.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 9:05 am #
For real, if you read this speech and think “Islamic radicals” in place of the particular ethnic strain of ethnic hate he wants to ethnically apologize for, it’s a really chilling speech I think. And the underlying logic is just as tight.
Comment by Semanticleo on 3/18 @ 9:09 am #
“This still doesn’t begin to answer why it’s somehow excusable for a pastor to spew demagoguery”
If Jackie Robinson had climbed into the Grandstand and pummeled some
sunburned heathen in response to ‘nigger go home’, I would have found it excusable.
Robinson was chosen to be the first Black in the ‘White’ Leagues because he was temperate and long-suffering. Had some black in the stands (peanut vendor?) taken to beating the bejesus out of the offender, I think this speech would have been Jackie’s.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 9:10 am #
I think Jackie would have delivered it with some feeling.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:12 am #
If Jackie Robinson had climbed into the Grandstand and pummeled some
sunburned heathen in response to ‘nigger go home’, I would have found it excusable.
So would I. But if Jackie had then gone off on a life-long “Hate Whitey!” rampage, that wouldn’t have been excusable.
Hint: cracker in the stands = individual. White = race. Hating an individual who did you wrong = understandable. Hating an entire race = racist.
Moron.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 9:16 am #
bigbooner: I’ve heard some wild and wacky things on the pulpit but outside of one sermon from a white supremacist group (on the AM radio) nothing else even comes close to Wright’s radicalized victmization screed. Your comment about watching “hate filled videos” is irrelevant because, as others have noted this particular pastor is his pastor, close friend and political and religious advisor. In addition, after attending a church for over 20 years the spin that he “had never heard these views personally” doesn’t pass the most basic stink test. Lars, Lars, Pants on Fars!
He doesn’t address that particular cunundrum in his speech. What I see, instead, is more changytudinous hopelicious buttressed my individual misery pimpage (poor, poor Ashley) and racial victimization cloaked by calls to traditional founding fathers unity (remember, whitey, even those crackers blew of the constitution to continue enslaving my wife’s ancesters.)
Conclusion? Happyfeet was right all along: The man is a fraud, an uber liberal machine politician bent on European socalist government in which all of his friends will be well taken care of.
Except the good Reverend Wright, of course.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/18 @ 9:21 am #
Yep.
Policy by anecdote.
My answer?
Well boo-frickin’-hoo.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/18 @ 9:23 am #
Wow, ‘cleo. That’s a resounding cheer for truthiness, isn’t it? Aren’t the facts as they were enough? It’s justifiable to lie about AIDs and all the rest, because “anger hath a privilege”?
Comment by TmjUtah on 3/18 @ 9:25 am #
Climate change??? I’m supposed to look at f*cking climate change as a more existential threat than a chief executive wired to hate whitey, and with the sauvey hopeyness to actually have a shot at the oval office? I’m thinking not.
This speech is aimed at the base; he doesn’t even recognize that he’s got the nomination locked up.
He is willing to bet Wright falls off the radar in the next couple of weeks - willing enough to insult the intelligence of the national electorate.
He knows his base. He will be surprised by the moderate Democrats. He has no clue at all about Red America. None.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 9:25 am #
Or perhaps someone told her it was whitey keeping ‘em down. Maybe that person said “God Damn America”.
Sadly, I think we’ve seen a nail put into the coffin of an honest discussion on racism. From now on, it’ll be perfectly acceptable to be a racist if your skintone is darker than a given shade. But if you’re any lighter, don’t you DARE criticize someone who’s any darker.
(Unless they’re conservatives, of course. Those Oreos, bananas, and coconuts deserve whatever they get.)
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:27 am #
This still doesn’t begin to answer why it’s somehow excusable for a pastor to spew demagoguery and outright lies from the pulpit.
piffle….pastors do that all the time.
i went to Ted Haggards old church in the springs with my friend once. the pastor told us that some muslims from the red crescent came soliciting funds and he and another pastor punched them out.
illustrated with yucks and redneck punch-dancing choreography.
but, it never happened…i guess it was meant to be a sort of allegory. they say a lot of bad things about muslims in that church. hate speech.
i didnt see any blacks at all.
Dawkins said that church reminded him of a Nuremburg rally in his documentary.
btw…is Wright running for president? i musta missed that.
Comment by Donald on 3/18 @ 9:27 am #
I’m watching this “speech”. Bark Hussein Obama’s a fucking tool. A fucking hustler. Period.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:28 am #
i went to Ted Haggards old church in the springs with my friend once
Liar.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:29 am #
also….O is a very gifted speaker, dont u think?
i found that speech uplifting, inspiring.
i wonder wat the biological basis is for pleasure in hearing inspirational speeches.
prolly linked to music appreciation.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:31 am #
also….O is a very gifted speaker, dont u think?
So was Hitler.
Next!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:31 am #
no i did.
the church is round, and there is a projection stage into the middle.
like six giant tv screens in a circle overhead.
it seats 7000 i think.
i didnt see a single black person.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 9:32 am #
“This age must be called, not the decline of the West, but the resurrection of the peoples … of ours! Only that which was old, decayed and evil perishes; and let it die! But new life will spring up. Faith can be found, if the will is there. [I] have the will, and faith is with the people….
So [I] have come … on this day to prove symbolically that we are more than a collection of individuals striving one against another, that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich, and none too poor, to stand together before the face … of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united nation, we have need of it. When was a leadership at any time faced with a heavier task …? Consider, my comrades, what [America] is, and compare it with other countries. What have we? … no capital, no longer any foreign credits; only heavy burdens, sacrifices, taxation, and low wages. What have we, compared with the wealth of other States, the wealth of other countries, the wealth of other peoples, with the possibilities of living that they possess? What have we? One thing only; we have our people. Either it is everything or it is nothing. On it alone can we count. On it alone can we build. Everything that we have created up to the present we owe solely to its goodness of heart, its capacity, its loyalty, its decency, its industry, its sense of order. And if I weigh all this in the balance, it seems to me to be more than all that the rest of the world can offer us. So this, I believe, can be our message to the other peoples … : … ‘We are proud enough to confess that we ourselves own that treasure, which you certainly could not give us - our people.’ I could, as leader, think of no more glorious, no prouder task in this world than to serve this people. One might give me continents, but I would rather be the poorest citizen among this people. And with this people we must and shall succeed in achieving also the tasks that are still to come.
What we want lies clear before us: not war and not strife. Just as we have established peace within our own people, so we want nothing else than peace with the world. For we all know that our great work can succeed only in a time of peace. But just as the leadership of the nation in the domestic sphere has never sacrificed its honor … so it can never surrender the honor of the [American] people in its dealings with the world.
We know what we owe to the world. May the world come to understand what she can never deny to a proud people, and above all may she comprehend one thing: the [America] of today is not the [America] of yesterday - The [American] people of the present time [are] not the [American] people of the day before yesterday, but the [American] people of the two [hundred] years of [American] history which lie behind us.
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Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:32 am #
no i did.
Liar.
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Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:35 am #
i taught a free hiphop dance class there for my friends YPAC group.
did u know there is xian hiphop?
i choreoed a piece to the Rise Up remix.
it was awesome.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:36 am #
i taught a free hiphop dance class there for my friends YPAC group.
Liar.
Every word that comes out of your illiterate piehole is a lie, including “and” and “the”.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 9:37 am #
I don’t know, nishi. Is Hagee running for President? How about Ted Haggard? Is Pat Robertson running this year? James Dobson? Are any of them on McCain’s advisory council? Does he regularly attend any of their churches? Is John close friends for over 20 years with any of them?
Are you the least bit capable of seeing your own inconsistancy?
Sadly, no.
Cue nishi’s rant about theocons in 3 … 2 … 1 …
Comment by alppuccino on 3/18 @ 9:37 am #
Shorter Obama. “Stop talking about distractions. Elect me.”
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 9:39 am #
It really boils down to “our hatred is legitimate; your concern about our hatred is itself hatred”.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:40 am #
there also is a church in monument..i havent been but a different friend went with her chiropracter [she hurt her back fallin off her horse]…it is called The Church of the Living Word.
their sect bases their whole liturgy on the “make a joyful noise” thing in the bible?
she said…there were no other women…after a while the men began to grunt…and then to shout and scream….
some began to speak in tongues.
she never went back.
;)
Comment by psycho... on 3/18 @ 9:40 am #
His attitude toward the congregation he describes, not as if he’s a part of it, but as if he only observes it, is the attitude of a colonial anthropologist who doesn’t believe that the dark savages have any intellectual or social agency, or that their religion is anything other than animalistic hysteria.
So, again, fuck this honky.
They mean what they say, and they believe what they cheer for. It’s not a fucking zoo, you racist asshole. They’re people. Fuck.
Source, please.
I haven’t seen that, either.
A couple Joe Cynical-Packs like me who don’t care about the opprobrium it brings, and a handful of Angry Black Men everyone’s afraid to argue with, saying “not black, really bad at faking it, and fuck you all for playing along,” yes — but that’s not the same thing.
And we don’t get to be on the news.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 9:40 am #
what’s the expiry date on victimhood?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:43 am #
still.
it was a good speech.
you guys are immunized against O.
u are actually listening to the words, hehe.
most ppl will just be charmed by the delivery.
Comment by Semanticleo on 3/18 @ 9:43 am #
Nishi;
Let’s take a kneejerk test with SpieHole.
Post the words ‘The Sun rises IN the East AND sets in the West’.
Is it possible for the multiple personality to recognize a lie?
Comment by Victor. on 3/18 @ 9:44 am #
Did Obama just admit that Affirmative Action was a racist policy?
Overall: I think the speech raised more questions than it answered.
(Example) Why did he shade the truth in his initial remarks about the extent to which he knew about the racist rhetoric that Wright put forth?
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 9:45 am #
Infinity plus one.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/18 @ 9:46 am #
i found that speech uplifting, inspiring.
My dogs get uplifted and inspired whenever I say “biscuit”.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:46 am #
Post the words ‘The Sun rises IN the East AND sets in the West’.
It doesn’t. The earth rotates. Also, near the poles, the sun doesn’t appear to “rise” or “set” at all during certain seasons of the year, while at others it appears to “rise” and “set” in the north or south.
Next!
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:47 am #
u are actually listening to the words, hehe.
I guess that’s just one of the hazards of being literate, isn’t it?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:48 am #
Dan u really should listen.
just reading the transcript cant simulate the aurals.
if u could get ppl to read the transcript, ur arguments might have some effect.
but almost no one will do that.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 9:49 am #
Well put, Rob. It reminds me of MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech in which he said the following:
“We can never slake our thirst for justice by drinking from the cup of bitterness.”
Apparantly, Wright skipped over that part.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 9:50 am #
just ppl here i guess.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/18 @ 9:50 am #
if u could get ppl to read the transcript, ur arguments might have some effect.
but almost no one will do that.
Hint: illiteracy isn’t nearly as common among the voting public as it is among you and your “friends”.
Really.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 9:50 am #
People with Relativistic Morality Disfunction (ReMeDy) have proven to be so nuanced that an elephant in the room is that of a wisp of smoke from an extinguished match. It is an amazingly disarming state of mind, wherein, literally, all things are equivalent. If this is the case, I appeal for them to vote for McCain.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 9:52 am #
u are actually listening to the words, hehe.
most ppl will just be charmed by the delivery.
Heaven for-fucking-bid that someone actually cares about what is being said. If delivery is all that matters, I am sure that there are much better than Barry O. Problem is, nishidiot, he says nothing. Fluff. Bunnies. Puppies. And you squirt all over the place. It should be embarassing. Sadly, no.
And, you are a liar, and a rather disgusting person.
And, Kyoto.
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 9:52 am #
Very good speech.
I liked this passage:
In the end, then, what is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than what all the world’s great religions demand – that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother’s keeper, Scripture tells us. Let us be our sister’s keeper. Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well.
For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.
We can do that.
But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.
That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.†This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can’t learn; that those kids who don’t look like us are somebody else’s problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.
This time we want to talk about how the lines in the Emergency Room are filled with whites and blacks and Hispanics who do not have health care; who don’t have the power on their own to overcome the special interests in Washington, but who can take them on if we do it together.
This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn’t look like you might take your job; it’s that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit.
This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should’ve been authorized and never should’ve been waged, and we want to talk about how we’ll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.
I would not be running for President if I didn’t believe with all my heart that this is what the vast majority of Americans want for this country. This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected. And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation – the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.
Comment by Salt Lick on 3/18 @ 9:52 am #
Not a single word here about the McCartney/Heather Mills verdict yesterday. No wonder this blog isn’t in the top 50.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 9:54 am #
Spies:
Now take a break with nishi. She is infused with the Changetudinous Hopeliciousnes of Baracky’s sing song delivery. Think of someone spinning a pocket watch in front of her eyes and saying, “Don’t worry about the scary black pastor who hates whitey, I’m soft and fuzzy and you can HOPE FOR CHANGE. Oh, and help poor Ashley at the same time. CHANGE! FOR AMERIKKKA!!”
Must. Vote. Obama. ZZZZZZZZZZZ
Comment by Radish on 3/18 @ 9:57 am #
Hint: illiteracy isn’t nearly as common among the voting public as it is among you and your “friendsâ€Â.
Traditionally, no. That’s why ACORN and other leftist groups spend so much time and money registering and obtaining (and filling out) absentee ballots for people who wouldn’t bother otherwise.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 10:00 am #
Radish:
Heh! Or … for people who simply don’t exist!
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 10:00 am #
His delivery was a snooze.
His reputation as a communicator may charm people into believing this speech was well delivered.
He is what people want to see.
He is finally talking about race in America, because nobody ever talks about it (yeah right).
Comment by alppuccino on 3/18 @ 10:03 am #
And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation – the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.
..so you old white people who worked hard and earned your money can suck me. Get ready old white people, the youth of America are looking to bend you over. We are going to fuck you up.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:06 am #
there are a lot of whacky churches out there.
in ted haggard’s old church some ppl ran around in the aisles during the service and held their hands up an went into a jesus trance.
it scared me.
O talked about how that kind of interactive service in black churches would likely scare ppl too.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 10:07 am #
O talked about how that kind of interactive service in black churches would likely scare ppl too.
O is wrong. It’s the God Damn America, white people are evil that would likely scare people.
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 10:08 am #
LOtsa words, little substance. I didn’t listen, because I didn’t want to be over-taken with O-man Changiness, since I was all out of tin-foil.
But, honestly, try to list one substantive thing he said. He tried to explain that what Wright said was ok because he was brought up in a different time?
My grandpa (on my mom’s side) still calls black people the N-word. Is it ok, because he was brought up in another time?
He only mildly suggested addressing the social ills of black society. Kinda tip-toed around that, didn’t he?
Comment by TmjUtah on 3/18 @ 10:10 am #
alppuccino -
“We are going to fuck you up.”
Close your eyes and *poof* he’s Don Corleone. Measured and reasonable in his delivery, but you know you are going to wake up with a horse’s head.
Or go sleep with the fishes…
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 10:10 am #
None of those other churches matter at all nishi, because none of them have anything to do with the fact that Obama reveres a bigot. He, and you , can dress it up however you want but that is the fact. Nothing he said to day addresses that fact.
I can tell you, anecdotally, that many of my Democrat co-workers are very worried about this. Not about what it will do to his chances, but about what it means about Obama. They are not pleased.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:12 am #
Maybe he is the Antichrist. Just saying.
no no Enoch Root!
didnt u listen to John Hagee?
the president of the EU becomes the Antichrist, not the president of the united states!
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 10:14 am #
That little tickle about people being “scared” by demonstrative worship is a crock of crap. There are literally hundreds of evangelical, pentecostal and charismatic churches in this country with white people doing many of the same things to various degrees. I’ve been to a few and, while its disconcerting, it’s not the least bit scary.
By saying so, Baracky is trying to play a little three card monte by implying that the criticism of Wright’s hateful comments are at least in part inspired by whitey’s fear of demonstrative, vocal black worshippers.
Frickin’ victimization tool.
And nishi: Just because you were “scared” doesn’t mean that a whole big bunch of other people would be scared too. You are not the world and the world is not you.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:15 am #
Wright isnt O’s advisor any more.
and….i went to catholic church from when i born until i was eighteen.
do u think i believe ANY of that stuff?
O rejected Wrights statements.
its good enuff for me.
;)
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 10:15 am #
AND, what Wright said is MORE than simply opinions of a man brought up in another time. Have you ever read one of those small, locally published black newspapers? On the streets of Detroit, they sell them at the traffic lights — they won’t even offer them to you if you are white.
Comment by fahs ibair on 3/18 @ 10:15 am #
Please don’t engage Nishi when she moves the goalposts. This has nothing to do with Ted Haggard. Nothing.
Comment by Jim in KC on 3/18 @ 10:16 am #
What, no mention of his little dog and his wife’s old, beat-up winter coat?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:18 am #
BJ ur disconcertion is my fear.
i saw ppl out of control.
my friend was terrified in the Church of the Living Word…she wud have left in the middle but she feared they wud attack her if she moved.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 10:18 am #
O rejected Wrights statements.
its good enuff for me.
It was good enough for you yesterday to defend Wright’s statements.
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 10:18 am #
Nishi - you may have gone until you were 18, but you didn’t have the Catholic church bless your home, marry you, or baptize your children. Those actions demonstrate a tad more involvement in a particular religion than a person who was merely dragged by their parents until the age of consent. He went as an adult.
Most adults tend to stop doing those things that are meaningless to them. And, continue those that have meaning. Ala - Obama attending the church for 20 years.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 10:19 am #
Bullshit nishi, you are hearing what you want to hear.
And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.
I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:21 am #
i just use Ted Haggards old church cuz i cant remember the name.
all those xian church names sound just the same.
did u know ted still gets a stipend from the church?
so he wont write a book i guess.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/18 @ 10:21 am #
still BJ, I have to say that I went to the mall and was unaware that it was the big “2 for 1 Day” at Lane Bryant. I got swept up in the stampede and if it had not been for the scrunchy kiosk that was just within arm’s reach, well, I don’t know. I was scared man. They eat their young.
..
I’ll go ahead and sign up for sensitivity training.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 10:22 am #
It occurs to me that the reason that nishi is willing to defend this stuff is that she agrees with it. She will demand that you denounce some other crap from someone who isn’t even related to this election, but will defend the close association of her candidate to a bigot, because she also is a bigot. It makes sense.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:22 am #
bzzzt…wrong…i wanst defendin wrights statements..i was sayin why he made them…that some of the statements held a grain of truth.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 10:23 am #
Exactly, EG. She said 911 was chickens coming home to roost. She agrees with it.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 10:26 am #
Yeah, well I’m sure the Klan thought they had good reasons to make their arguments as well, a supposed grain of truth, but we aren’t buying that argument from them so we sure as hell aren’t going to buy it from a man who wants to be the POTUS.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:27 am #
i also said, if u recall, that slavery was originally blackonblack for afroamericans at least.
white slavetraders just picked up slaves at the ports.
the mandingo and watusi and the other warrior tribes were more than happy to deliver.
all ancient cultures held slaves btw.
its a homosapiens sapiens thing.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 10:27 am #
Ann Althouse nails it:
Missing here, I think, is an explicit acknowledgment that Wright is not merely expressing the anger he feels but that he is leading people into anger, keeping anger fresh and alive.
very good.
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 10:28 am #
75 EG, here is what has been said about this particular moment:
He forcefully distanced himself from Wright’s words, but spoke movingly – and unapologetically – of his connections to the man. He didn’t run and hide in Kerry/Daschle-esque cowardly fashion. He stood right up and said, “yes, he’s my friend.†He cast him as mired in the old world, to be sure, but he didn’t give into the Russert-style pressure to do some sort of Maoist confessional disavowing all association with the man. ~Publius at OW.
And I completely agree with that description…
I am really amazed to read some of the comments here.
That definitely was much better speech then Romney’s “freedom is religion , religion is freedom” exercise..
The partisanship completely blanked the ability to think and be objective for many of you…what a shame…
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 10:28 am #
If that’s the new standard (and I know it isn’t, at least not universally), then lotsa people owe the memory of Marge Schott an apology.
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 10:29 am #
Exactly. Wright give legitimacy to the anger and to the ideas he expressed.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:30 am #
yup maybee….Operation Ajax likely contributed [along with other things] to 911.
we are not pure.
a big part of the problem is our association with the british colonial imperialist empire.
guilt by association, i guess.
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 10:31 am #
# 80.
I am sure MayBee, you were completely appalled by the rev Falwell’s and Robertson statements about 9/11.
Right, dearest?
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 10:32 am #
Fine sashal, you may believe what you will as well. But if you want to convince you will have to show your cards. Show me where he “forcefully distanced himself from Wright’s words”.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 10:33 am #
Really? I’m not.
The regulars around here don’t like racists or bigots in general. That we’d like to see a potential presidential candidate own up to having a blatant bigot as his “inspiration” is as unsurprising as the sun rising in the east.
Hell, we were just as uncomfortable with Nor Luap’s ties to racists, and just as harsh on him for refusing to disassociate from them.
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 10:33 am #
Rob - I know it’s not the standard. My point was that this wasn’t a remarkable speech because he didn’t say much of anything. He used lots of words, and arranged them nicely. And, I suppose he prolly delivered it well. But, for those who believe he actually said anything - well, they are simply wrong.
Go ahead, Sashal - tell me one substantial thing he said. Perhaps my reading comprehension isn’t what it should be. View this as a teachable moment.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 10:34 am #
I’m sure she was. Have you ever heard the term “idiotarian”? Do you realize that it was coined particularly for Falwell and Robertson, for those comments? Yer not gonna find a lot of love for them ’round here.
Comment by Bravo Romeo Delta on 3/18 @ 10:34 am #
Nishi,
Dearest bakka-chan, find a pier, and take an exceedingly long walk of great length down that pier.
Or, learn to type and express yourself in something other than your semiliterate scrawl.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:35 am #
well sasha,
…the subtext of mitt’s speech was quite different…he was sayin, hey, im a christian just like you!
not, im disassociating myself from some non-mainstream whackiness so that u will vote for me.
he cud have said that.
it might have worked better for him.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 10:36 am #
I know. I just wanted to highlight that, once more, we’re settling on different standards based on the perceived status of the offender. Wright’s racism, apparently is excusable under the current standards. Schott’s wasn’t — but I bet she did more to help people, and had less vitriol in her, than Wright.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:37 am #
BRD-sama
i speak the language of the future.
;)
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/18 @ 10:39 am #
kthxbye
Comment by Ted Nugent's Soul Patch on 3/18 @ 10:40 am #
Reading that speech, I can’t say I was too impressed. It’s such a classically obvious piece of rhetorical misdirection, a blind man in the woods in the dark should be able to see it. It’s basically a more flowery version of Obama saying, “Look! Over there! Hope and Change!”
I think he understands full well why his association with this racist jerkoff could hurt him with moderate Democrats. As demonstrated above, True Believers like nishi, semanticleo, and sashal won’t care–they will dissemble, make excuses, and equivocate out of nothing more than sheer intellectual laziness; it’s the moderate left and older Democrats who remember the social dysfunction of the 1970s that he needs to try and fool with this bit of rhetorical kung-fu.
I’m not sure if Hillary is competent enough to exploit this to her advantage or not; the Obama campaign is letting its supporters imply that any criticism of the man is racist in nature and is not to be taken seriously.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:41 am #
(((((dan)))))
i cant go until this thread reaches 100.
Comment by McGehee on 3/18 @ 10:41 am #
Done. Now go.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/18 @ 10:41 am #
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Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 10:31 am #
# 80.
I am sure MayBee, you were completely appalled by the rev Falwell’s and Robertson statements about 9/11.
Right, dearest?
Don’t call MayBee “dearest”.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 10:41 am #
Right, dearest?
Well, dearest, I would have been more than happy to live my life never hearing any of the words from Robertson’s or Falwell’s mouths. I didn’t go to their church to hear them, they were foisted upon me by media outlets. For whatever reason.
I wasn’t shocked enough to be completely appalled by them, but I thought they were self-serving idiots.
Comment by TmjUtah on 3/18 @ 10:44 am #
Sashal -
“He forcefully distanced himself from Wright’s words, but spoke movingly – and unapologetically – of his connections to the man.”
Distanced? The following was my shot from the hip as I listened to the speech live:
“The Candidate has just announced strong disagreement with Mr. Wright’s political views; it is hard to credit this statement in light of the fact that Mr. Obama has repeatedly invoked Mr. Wright’s guidance as a cornerstone of his beliefs in the past,
“the past” being up until a week ago when MSM noticed teh Hate.”
I can’t help if you pay too much for used cars or buy products off infomercials, but my problem with Mr. Obama’s relationship with, and obeisance to the ideas and philosophy of, his pastor of twenty years transcends mere partisanship. Or… would you put your kids in the trendy hot new day care run by the new Dr. Spock, after you find out that the good doctor’s mentor organized and was the unapologetic leader of your town’s NAMBLA chapter?
We are considering candidates for the office of president of our country. From one party’s view, I guess it is kind of shopping for a babysitter, and that seems to be what Obama would like to sell himself as. I’m not interested in a babysitter - especially one whose background displays an inability to play well with others and suggests a hidden agenda.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 10:47 am #
one last blade, lol.
u need to give up ur hillary fantasy right now.
bill got 10 million in speaking fees and 500 million in presidential library donations from places like Saud, UAE, Niger…..that wud totally kneecap the dems in the general.
how cud hillary possibly go toe to toe with mccain on nat’l security and Iraq when bill has been sucking the arab tit?
shes in right now on the possibility that O implodes….or gets assassinated i guess.
she’ll never get the nom while O is a viable candidate.
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 10:48 am #
91, I already put it out there, my favorite part.
here is another opinion.
What do you think should be concretely told about race situation concretely. Would you need numbers? Jail time for racist proposed?
What concretely should be in the speech about the old guttural emotional disease, that will satisfy your criteria ?
Comment by McGehee on 3/18 @ 10:48 am #
But… but what about all those occasions when you publicly spoke of their importance in helping to shape your personal views? Huh? Explain that!
[...]
Um, put down the clue-bat, m’kay? You know you scare me when you look at me like that.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/18 @ 10:50 am #
Picture yourself in a boat on a river
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Someone is calling, you answer, reluctant,
The girl with gelatinous thighs . . .
Nishizonoshinji in comments
Nishizonoshinji in comments
Nishizonoshinji in comments
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 10:50 am #
#102, but G.W. Bush got advice from them and praised them, remember?
Comment by Techie on 3/18 @ 10:51 am #
Hashemm help us.
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 10:58 am #
Ok, so this is you example of substance:
Boiled down: I never heard him say anything bad. And, my white grandma said racist things too.
That doesn’t exactly address the issue. Black racism is alive and well in America today. The problem is, white racism is parsed to the minutia (can’t even use the word niggardly or read a book about the college kids fighting the KKK w/o someone calling someone else racist. Black racism? UH … I never heard him say that stuff … he was never anything but polite to
whiteywhite people … he grew up in another time m… yada yada yada …/em>.Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 11:03 am #
Carin, Obama acknowledged white resentment as well
So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.
If Obama can convince blacks and white liberals that discrimination is discrimation, even if its in “reverse” - there’s your next president.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 11:03 am #
schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children… my ass. Schools are bestowing quite the happy future on the Asian children, but Baracky says we are all Negroes now.
Anyone hear NPR this morning? Mara Liasson was moist and heated. Most significant speech on race in a generation she said. Then she went on this curious rant about how this speech spoke to voters in Pennsylvania. Her spin was that Baracky was saying they white peoples in Pennsylvania share the Black experience, how Blacks have worked hard for very little and you in Pennsylvania have worked hard for very little too. She caught herself, tried to recover, but they cut her mic. They cut her freaking mic.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 11:04 am #
sashal:
At certain times and in certain places, both rare. If Bush had applauded their views on 9/11 I would have smacked him just as much as I’ve smacked Obama.
However, Bush didn’t attend either of their churches for over 20 years, was not married by either one, none of his children were baptized by the two, he counted neither of them as close friends and … and … and … neither Robertson nor Falwell served in any capacity, either political or religious, in his campaign or in his administration!
Nuance: The other white meat!
Comment by alppuccino on 3/18 @ 11:06 am #
I’m worried about sashal in ‘09. sashal’s whole being is invested in Bush hatred. Can you quit hate cold turkey?
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 11:07 am #
#102, but G.W. Bush got advice from them and praised them, remember?
I’m sorry. Did you ask me if Bush was appalled by their 9/11 comments? I think so, yes.
My favorite 9/11 repudiator was Rudy Guiliani by the way. He wouldn’t take the Saudi’s $$ because he blamed America. Rudy publicly spoke against the man. Remember that? Or when Ron Paul at the debates tried the chicken coming home to roost bit, Rudy jumped all over him for it. That’s how you do it.
Now compare that to Nishi and Obama winking at Wright’s words. Cute, I think.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 11:08 am #
sashal
I read what you pasted as your favorite part, and none of it resembles “forcefully distanced himself from Wright’s words”. So break it down for me, in which way do the words you already pointed out equate to a forceful distance from the bigotry.
I want something less mealy mouthed, something that looks like leadership. Which statements do you disagree with? Of the others, why do you agree with it? Why, when you heard these bigoted statements about white people and these hateful statements about the country you wish to lead, did you continue your association with the speaker?
This is not asking for a lot.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 11:11 am #
sashal:
Um, no, and here’s why. You are forgetting a very significant constituency in the Democratic party. Secularists. I’m not talking agnostics or atheists but a wide swatch of Dem voters who really, really want their religion scrupulously seperate from their politics and are going to be very concerned about Baracky and his religious connections (despite his best effort to shame them with the “scared of black worship style” scold.)
Those are the people he has to worry about as well as blue collar white males who have a problem embracing change that includes race pimping.
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 11:11 am #
#114 I cold turkeyed smoking..
Comment by alppuccino on 3/18 @ 11:13 am #
#114 I cold turkeyed smoking..
I can’t fault you for that. That’s a good move.
Now put down that hate bro.
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 11:15 am #
117, BJT,
I would not consider secularists as a threat to Obama.
He is basically secularist as well.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 11:17 am #
They mean what they say, and they believe what they cheer for. It’s not a fucking zoo, you racist asshole. They’re people. Fuck.
You’re so teh coolest. I broke it down more like he’s trying to acknowledge that his hatey Chicago church tribe is not to be expected to share his unitey vision, and that that’s ok, they’ll do what they’re told. Think of them sorta as the Revolutionary Guard I guess.
Comment by sashal on 3/18 @ 11:19 am #
wow, 116, questioning is almost as hard as at my PhD defence.
Anyhow, that could be my English comprehension problems, but I heard strong disagreement and repudiation of Wright’s statement in Obama’s speech.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 11:20 am #
Then it shouldn’t be hard to pull a quote.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 11:21 am #
Sorry, sashal, but his connection to the demonstrative, “scary” evangelical race victimization pimping black church doesn’t make him that much of a secularist. He’s got more religion in his campaign now than either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. But not as much as Mike Huckabee. :-)
Comment by SGT Ted on 3/18 @ 11:25 am #
I love the nishi types tieing themselves in knots equivacating The Bigot Wrights hateful comments by trying to get us to “feel their pain”, like thats a valid excuse. Or that Obama’s 20 year attendance at a black racist church isn’t what it is.
i wanst defendin wrights statements..i was sayin why he made them…that some of the statements held a grain of truth.
Thats like saying you don’t defend the statements of the KKK Grand Kleagle, but the Kleagles statements hold a grain of truth and you understand why he made them.
You are incoherent nishi.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 11:25 am #
Anyhow, that could be my English comprehension problems, but I heard strong disagreement and repudiation of Wright’s statement in Obama’s speech.
The first part was for you. The second part, the questions, was the part to answer your question of “What concretely should be in the speech about the old guttural emotional disease, that will satisfy your criteria ?”
It’s fine for Obama to point out that there is racism in this country, and it’s nice that he is able to give a nod to the idea that it is not entirely the purview of one type of people, but it still fails to answer the basic question of, if these things you say are true then why did you continue to associate and revere a man who is so obviously part of the problem?
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 11:25 am #
sashal - It is quite telling that in your estimation, white liberals have to be taught that discrimination is discrimination. The reality based community, lol, knows that, instinctively.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 11:30 am #
sashal
I’m really not trying to paint you into a corner here, I’m really curious about why you thought this speech was something other than an attempt to distract from an issue that is possibly crippling to Obama, his poor choice in associations and possibly his own bigotry.
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 11:32 am #
A brief acknowledgment of white resentment doesn’t address black racism.
His speech was nothing more than another political speech. It wasn’t a Come to Jesus moment and it wasn’t a modern-time “I Have a Dream” speech.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 11:37 am #
Hmmm. More like his “I have a Shiny Distraction!” speech.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 11:56 am #
The Barry O “I have a … desire to be President” speech.
Trackback by baldilocks on 3/18 @ 12:05 pm #
Obama’s Speech (UPDATED)
Barack Obama is addressing the Wright controversy as I type this. I have some things to take care of, but anyone who wants to comment on the speech, please do so here. PRELIMINARY JUDGMENT: Well done, especially the part about
Comment by Log Cabin on 3/18 @ 12:16 pm #
I’ve been waiting for someone to nail it:
Obama just fell into Hillary’s trap. He is now the candidate who is about fixing african american grudges. He is now the official ‘minority candidate’. No more color blind candidacy. The blue collar whites and ethnic whites are going to vote against this guy in droves.
He had a chance at his ‘Sista Solja’ moment and he blew it. He may have just lost his chance at the White House.
Comment by EllisonW on 3/18 @ 12:17 pm #
Some speech. He acknowleges that stupid crazy crackpot racist-conspiracy paranoia has not just a place at the family table, but a place of honor in the black experience. As if it’s sort of necessary to keep folks motivated and concentrate black influence; but less that, than you have to excuse these ideas the way you excuse your quaint and ignorant forebears for eating vicks vaporub when they have a cold.
Sure, sure,
I’m old enought to remember a time when the civil rights movement was waged most ernestly and effectively and…safely within the confines of the black church. It had a powerful secular application. and is the grand tradition. To disown it, is to disown one’s family, ones brother’s in the struggle. You’ve got to respect it.
If we come to a new place , we remember and respect the the ones that sent us to college so we would no longer eat the vapo-rub. but apply our remedies directly to the forehead, for all mankind.
But I can’t say I buy his excuses. There is no excuse eating camphor in vaseline.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/18 @ 12:20 pm #
Some jackass was going on about this already.
Comment by darlas on 3/18 @ 12:22 pm #
“For some, nagging questions remain.”
Nice of him to address you naggers.
Comment by MlR on 3/18 @ 12:25 pm #
Seriously, we’re getting played.
I don’t care what sermons the guy was at. I don’t care what he says in his speech.
He’s been a member of a racist, conspiracy mongering church for 20 years. Period. End of story. No replays.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 12:25 pm #
But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.
You wouldn’t be at that podium if something hadn’t done already changed, dickhead. But you have absolutely no credible basis to suggest that you can lead this country toward change when you’re too cowardly to first ask your own hatey church to do so.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/18 @ 12:26 pm #
Darla: http://www.tv.com/south-park/with-apologies-to-jesse-jackson/episode/919534/trivia.html
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 12:26 pm #
darlas - does that make me naggerdly?
Comment by Salt Lick on 3/18 @ 12:27 pm #
Obama’s failure makes me sick. I despise Bill Clinton, but a speech he gave in 1995 on race relations highlights just how mediocre was Obama’s performance,
http://tinyurl.com/2wmwbc
and that isn’t progress.
…both sides seem to fear deep down inside that they’ll never quite be able to see each other as more than enemy faces, all of whom carry at least a sliver of bigotry in their hearts.
Differences of opinion rooted in different experiences are healthy, indeed essential for democracies. But differences so great and so rooted in race, threaten to divide the house Mr. Lincoln gave his life to save. As Dr. King said, we must learn to live together as brothers, or we will perish as fools.
Comment by MlR on 3/18 @ 12:28 pm #
There’s nothing different between a white nationalist church and a black nationalist church, nothing.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 12:42 pm #
You wouldn’t be at that podium if something hadn’t done already changed, dickhead. But you have absolutely no credible basis to suggest that you can lead this country toward change when you’re too cowardly to first ask your own hatey church to do so.
yup, he shud do that feets.
and he may if the speech doesnt stop the loop i think.
i think we are gonna outgrow the race stuff eventually.
my generation is pretty race neutral.
i think race issues are old ppl stuff.
Comment by Carin on 3/18 @ 12:49 pm #
So, when my (white) kids were left out of events by our black neighbors (with whom I was friendly, and my kids played with) it was because … why?
When a young black kid yelled at me- as I was jogging one day- “RUN FOREST RUN, RUN FROM THE NIGGER” … it was because …?
But, perhaps racism just skipped your generation?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 12:50 pm #
the statements of the KKK Grand Kleagle,
false analogy
those statements are devoid of truth content
heeyyy!
i have great thighs.
gimme ur email an i send u pic dan.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 12:51 pm #
oh yeah…u can see them in the fisk i did on m’schelle too.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 12:55 pm #
The nishidiot returns. We are long overdue for another hopeychangeyfeelgood lesson. YOU ANTI SCIENCE ESCR BANNING NUCKEL DRAGGING THEOCONZS
Trackback by Liberty Pundit on 3/18 @ 1:00 pm #
If You Think This Isn’t About Racism, Think Again
Just a few quick thoughts on all this Wright-Obama stuff.
If you think this isn’t about racism…
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Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:03 pm #
my thighs
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 1:05 pm #
The biggest problems with Obama’s church have little to do with race.
But you didn’t see Obama disavow specific viewpoints of his minister because a lot of people (like the Weather underground people) actually agree with him.
It is great for Obama to tell people they need to spend more time with their children. It is President Obama, however, that would make everybody pay for universal daycare so people can spend less time with their children.
It is President Obama that will meet with foreign leaders with an eye on not trying to make America look above other countries. It will be President Obama that will set the agenda to deal with people that feel their jobs are going to people of other races or from other countries.
So setting the dialogue is one thing. He’ll be setting the agenda. Does his relationship with that church give us insight into how he’ll set that agenda? That’s the issue.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 1:06 pm #
I just puked a little in the back of my mouth.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 1:07 pm #
The biggest problems with Obama’s church have little to do with race.
That has been my contention all along. Pastor Wright’s message is objectionable, regardless of what race he is.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 1:08 pm #
nishi - stop tat, pls
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:09 pm #
dan started it!
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/18 @ 1:09 pm #
hmmmm, I don’t think his views on these two things go together very well.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/18 @ 1:13 pm #
“Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 12:50 pm #
the statements of the KKK Grand Kleagle,
false analogy
those statements are devoid of truth content”
But…..a black man can be a racist, with no truth content?
Does you head ever explode from the cognitive dissonance?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:19 pm #
i said…..that there is some truth in some of Wrights retoric.
in the following….jesus cud have been black….Operation Ajax and our close association with the imperialist colonialist brits just cud maybe have poisoned the well for us in MENA…thus the “chickens comong home to roost”…..blacks were used as subjects in syphilis experiments conducted by the US government.
some of the stuff Wright says is patently false.
O doesnt believe in it.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 1:22 pm #
O disavows the patently false, but wants to hang onto some of the just kind-of false, is that it, nishi?
Nishi throws “cud” in there, and she considers that he get out of jail free card to just make shite up out of whole cloth.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:23 pm #
you are all saying O HAS to believe in it cuz his minister said it.
O rejected Wrights statements.
give me a clip of O sayin the same thing as wright, and ill quit supporting him.
u are telling me O has to think this cuz his pastor thinks this?
aint neccessarily so.
my priest said Jonah got swallowed by a whale.
i knew in the 3rd grade that was impossible.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 1:24 pm #
Obama says of course black people hate you. That hate your fucking guts. What are you gonna do? But not me. I like you bunches.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 1:26 pm #
you are all saying O HAS to believe in it cuz his minister said it.
O rejected Wrights statements.
LIE
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 3/18 @ 1:28 pm #
Barry is done. The fact that he lasted so long is testament to the fact that Hillary isn’t a very good campaigner or has anything remotely palatable to sell. What you witnessed last night was the air coming out of the Bama Jam. I expect Hillary to take PA by 20 points. I also expect her to think that she “won it” more so than Barry really “lost it”.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 1:31 pm #
i knew in the 3rd grade that was impossible.
If God could make Jesus black, why can’t he put Jonah in a whale?
Comment by Miriam Mendelson on 3/18 @ 1:36 pm #
Note: For those who noted that Wright’s speeches remind them of some of the rhetoric coming out of radical madrassas…
A recent Pew study (see below for link) found that among American Muslims, those from African American communities were more likely to hold negative views about America, as well as being less negative about radical brands of Islam.
In the world of extremist Islamism, people are not spontaneously radicalized (’but he was a bouncer in a disco in Belgium six months ago and now he’s training at a camp in Pakistan’)… People who look like they have undergone sudden recruitment and brainwashing are often people for whom the seeds of hatred, intolerance and condoning of violence were planted years ago - messages inculcated (often in early childhood) in their places of worship, schools and families (in countries of origin where these types of sentiments are the norm).
What is the connection with Reverend Wright and others like him? In America, one of the most vulnerable populations as far as becoming infected with anti-American Islamist extremism is the poor African American community - especially the prison population - where Imams have free access and some are apologists (or directly affiliated) with radical groups. When the African American (poor and disadvantaged) community is pre-conditioned with negative, anti-American, tolerant of violence messages (a’la Reverend Wright) - or just a disconnect and lack of any patriotic feeling or even feeling of basic connection to the larger community, this provides the fertile ground upon which later outright radicalism might take root.
There are currently militarized Islamist compounds in various states where bands of people - African American ex-prisoners in some cases (I can’t and won’t quote stats as I don’t have them, this is anecdotal but accurate on that basis – see article link below) train with weapons and absorb radical Islamist ideology.
So the basic overall point here is that the radical black liberation theology is dangerous because it provides fertile ground for further inculcation - by extremist Islamism for one example.
Link about militant Muslim compound:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
or if you want to text-search its: “Springtime in Islamberg
Radical Muslim paramilitary compound flourishes in upper New York state
By Paul L. Williams Ph.D”
Info on attitudes of Black Muslims compared to other Muslims is at:
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans
or text-search at: “Pew Research Center
Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream
May 22, 2007″
Salient quote is: “For instance, fewer than half (36%) of native-born African American Muslims express a very unfavorable view of al Qaeda. By contrast, roughly two-thirds of other native-born Muslims (69%), as well as foreign-born Muslims (63%), hold very unfavorable views of al Qaeda.” (Pew, 2007).
Also: “More generally, native-born African American Muslims are the most disillusioned segment of the U.S. Muslim population. When compared with other Muslims in the U.S., they are more skeptical of the view that hard work pays off, and more of them believe that Muslim immigrants in the U.S. should try to remain distinct from society. They also are far less satisfied with the way things are going in the United States. Just 13% of African American Muslims express satisfaction with national conditions, compared with 29% of other native-born Muslims, and 45% of Muslim immigrants.” (Pew, 2007).
Now, certainly some of the attitudes towards America are because of the economic difficulties and disadvantages of inner-city African Americans (who also happen to be Muslim). But if you add to those difficulties a greater acceptance of extremism (as per the above percentages) and negative attitudes in the community as a whole (as per people like Reverend Wright) and also add the high levels of incarceration (which makes them vulnerable to being recruited into militant Muslim groups)… the combination is a matter of no small concern.
There are those that say that a militant brand of Islam is unlikely to take hold in America, because American Muslims are much better assimilated and have a better quality of life than Muslims in Europe and elsewhere. This is true (if you read the Pew poll is shows up clearly in Muslim-American attitudes about America and life here in general) - but it is much less true for African American Muslims. They are the Muslim Achilles heel here in America (along with college students - but that is anther story - just Google up ‘Islamist groups on college campuses’ or some such…).
So Reverend Wright and his ilk are far from just a passing issue of non-importance.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 1:38 pm #
First of all, jonah was swallowed by a big fish. might have been a whale, might have been a tuna, the bible does not say! (end Sunday School lesson :-))
Secondly I’ve listened to and read several White supremacist screeds as part of a project I did several years ago on Christianity and race. I’m willing to bet you that you could not find one, extensively long rant from any white supremicist group where I couln’t find an element of truth in it. That is what makes the best, hate filled propaganda: Little nuggets of truth wovenm through large chunks of big lies and hateful paranoia. Rev. Wright has learned that lesson well.
And nishi: I’m less concerned with what Wright said than with Obama’s lame ass attempt to convince us that he had never heard it or wasn’t aware of it. I call big time bull crap on that statement, which was at least partially refuted by his own words in his speach today.
And JD’s right: He rejected some of what Rev. Wright said but was not very specific about exactly what he rejected. That is a bit of a problem.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 1:45 pm #
BJ - He did not reject it at a time that would have required him to take a stand, ie. when it happened. He voted present when it counted. He only rejected it now because it was no longer politically expedient for him not to.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 1:45 pm #
Nishi - that must’ve hurt… right in the arsehole, BJ done gotchu./
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:52 pm #
If God could make Jesus black, why can’t he put Jonah in a whale?
sry maybee, jesus wasnt XX so that homosapiens sapiens haploid gamete had to come from somewhere.
form follows function.
however….cetacea havent been able to swallow much anything WHOLE for a kajillion years.
what wud jesus’ karyotype have looked like maybee? huh?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:53 pm #
my priest said whale.
O’s pastor said AIDS.
so?
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 1:54 pm #
sry maybee, jesus wasnt XX
Why not? You don’t think God could make Jesus XX?
You are just making shit up, nishi. But you know that.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:55 pm #
Enoch u are not nearly as smart or well educated as Stepenson’s character.
im disappointed.
however….i am perhaps as evil as Miike’s Nishizono.
;)
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 1:56 pm #
maybee……jesus was a girl?
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 1:57 pm #
Allah helped Mohammed write the beautiful Koran, right? God performs miracles.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/18 @ 2:00 pm #
nishi - it may be, but I am immortal, while you… you are boring.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 2:00 pm #
maybee……jesus was a girl?
Sure, why not?
It’s as true as Jesus being black.
The point is, Jesus could be black, a whale could swallow Jonah. Mohammed can write the beautiful Koran. This is GOD we’re talking about, right?
Anyway, Obama’s preacher didn’t say God injected black men with AIDS. That was white men.
Comment by Pablo on 3/18 @ 2:02 pm #
I think it was a damned good speech…for a lefty. He broke a number of taboos, not for blacks, but for grievance mongering blacks and whites alike.
Hell, he might have even won my vote if he wasn’t a socialist surrender monkey. Are we sure he’s not French?
Comment by McGehee on 3/18 @ 2:03 pm #
God’s greatest miracle is that virtual reality in the Big Blue Room. Nishtoon probably hasn’t seen it.
Comment by Pablo on 3/18 @ 2:05 pm #
No silly, he could have been uncreated, like the Quran.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 2:09 pm #
I just had a chance to skim through Obama’s speech again and …
I’m struck by this impression: the structure and tone of it suggests that Obama was not so much repudiating the views of his pastor as he was repudiating the tone and language used to express those views.
I need to take more time with this and read Karl’s essay above in its entirety. If that impression holds, then he’s complete toast and nishi is a blinded fool.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 2:16 pm #
BJ - I got a different impression. It seemed to me to be less about repudiating the views of his pastor, since he really added nothing new than what he already had out there. To me, it seemed to be a mere diversion, we all have problems with our drunk uncles, and that he would continue to hold himself out to be above the fray.
At the same time, he repeatedly injected race back into the discussion where he was claiming it was not about race. To me, that throw away in the Ashley story about welfare and illegal immigrants was what keyed me in.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 2:24 pm #
geee i thot jesus was “made man”….that implies homosapiens sapiens and male to me.
who knew?
still, the point is…i betcha most ppl dont believe wat their preachers say literally, or endorse those counterfactual supernatural assertions.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 2:25 pm #
im confuzzled…the Qur’an has male gametes?
Comment by BJTexs on 3/18 @ 2:27 pm #
Fair enough, JD. He gussied it up with lace and fringe but at its core it was still much of the same old victimization, individual misery pimpage that made the Rainbow Coalition such a happy bunch. His delivery has exempted him from being the “scary black guy” that some had seen in Jesse Jackson but there is too much about how he talks about his pastor in glowing terms that allows the crazy uncle speil to stand on its own merits. Most politicians that are running for president don’t make the crazy uncle a listed, close advisor on both politics and religion.
I still think he has at least some personal connection to many of the views that Wright belched. Throw in some of Michelle’s greatest hits (and hasn’t she, in the last couple of weeks, pulled a disappearing act worthy of The Prestige?) and the suspicion meter is pinging away.
I’m quite frankly surprised by this as I thought that he was more urbane and centered. It just goes to show that sweet talkin’ ain’t necessarilly good thinkin’.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/18 @ 2:29 pm #
Well, your priest was talking to children, and “great fish” frequently gets translated to “whale” in the fairy-tale version.
The fact that you knew that it was impossible for whales (which, it’s not) to swallow a man and didn’t bother to check what the bible actually says: utterly unsurprising to me.
From the linked article: Odontoceti like sperm whales, beluga whales, dolphins and porpoises, usually have lots of teeth that they use for catching fish, squid or other marine life. They do not chew their food, but swallow it whole.
Reading is fundamental. Not that it matters, because the Bible doesn’t say “whale”.
Interestingly:
Here’s a discussion of a few things related to Jonah that nishi has ignored since third grade. Enjoy.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/18 @ 2:29 pm #
Now, you’re beginning to make sense.
Comment by Pablo on 3/18 @ 2:40 pm #
Does confuzzled = stoopid? cuz id buy that.
Comment by B Moe on 3/18 @ 2:47 pm #
….that implies homosapiens sapiens and male to me.
who knew?
Anyone who had read the Bible.
Comment by I'm Just Saying on 3/18 @ 2:48 pm #
“The partisanship completely blanked the ability to think and be objective for many of you…what a shame…”
Yeah, I’m completely shocked by that outcome.
Except for Pablo, who makes a reasoned and eloquent plea (in shorthand) of why he would not vote for Senator Obama. And, for that, color me even more shocked. Pablo, if the Senator’s policy initiatives don’t work for you, then kick him to the curb. At least, you’re rational. Seemingly everyone else here (including Karl’s tendentious manifesto of guilt by association by even more association), bites on the stupid tangent of whether everyone in your life has to be perfect before you can run for office (I have plenty of racists in my Midwestern family and I haven’t walked out of too many family dinners, guess that ends the PW support for my campaign).
Pablo, though, thinks about two wars and a tanking economy and makes a rational decision.
Lastly, I hope Pablo isn’t insulted by my praise. If so, I apologize for praising you.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 2:51 pm #
Odontoceti like sperm whales, beluga whales, dolphins and porpoises, usually have lots of teeth that they use for catching fish, squid or other marine life. They do not chew their food, but swallow it whole.
but they cant swallow men whole.
can they?
theyd have to chew them up.
sure Jonah is a prophet….we have 28 prophets.
Issa is a prophet too.
and ur point is?
Comment by B Moe on 3/18 @ 2:51 pm #
I have plenty of racists in my Midwestern family and I haven’t walked out of too many family dinners…
How many racist mentors do you have? How many of them have you followed religiously for advice for 20 years?
Comment by B Moe on 3/18 @ 2:53 pm #
and ur point is?
Google OMNIPOTENT.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/18 @ 3:10 pm #
From my link:
But, since it wasn’t actually a whale, this is a trivial digression.
I’m guessing there’s something that you’re good at; reading isn’t one of them.
One point could be that the friggin’ Quran refers to Jonah being swallowed by a “great fish”, and that the friggin’ Quran has exactly the same story in it. Or it could be that you have laughably bad reading skills. Pick one and go with it, I care not.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/18 @ 3:29 pm #
u guyz….get back on track.
my point is that one need not believe wat their pastor preaches.
not whether or not whales cud swallow ppl.
as a third grader, i had not access to ur outlier stories.
i knew whales could only swallow plankton.
so i didnt believe my priest.
Comment by Pablo on 3/18 @ 3:36 pm #
Do you believe the quran is the word of allah delivered through a prophet? and do you believe that prophet rode al-burak to heaven to get some of it?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 3:44 pm #
Because Wright’s statement blames a class of people of a crime they did not commit.
IJS — we’ve all made the same judgment that Pablo has. Your inability to see that says more about your willful blindness than our dire partisanship.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 3:47 pm #
If so, then you wouldn’t cite your pastor as an “inspiration” and use their sermons as the basis of speeches and books.
Comment by B Moe on 3/18 @ 3:54 pm #
so i didnt believe my priest.
And when you became a facsimile of an adult, you quit going to that Church because you didn’t believe their doctrines, and found one you could believe in to attend. Why do you assume Obama did exactly the opposite, and has continued for 20 years?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/18 @ 4:37 pm #
Has Obama made it clear which parts he didn’t like?
And, seriously, would you accept the same argument from a Republican who had been attending a white supremacist church?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 3/18 @ 4:38 pm #
“Why not just use the parts you like and not use the ones you dislike?”
Sure, but if you did, seems natural to point out which was which and why.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 4:48 pm #
i knew whales could only swallow plankton.
You do not even know how freaking stoopid you are.
IJS - Racist.
Comment by darlas on 3/18 @ 4:50 pm #
“Has Obama made it clear which parts he didn’t like?”
I read this in his speech:
“I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy.”
That identifies it enough for me.
“And, seriously, would you accept the same argument from a Republican who had been attending a white supremacist church?”
By most churches, I’m damned and going to hell, so I have no problem with people taking good inspiration from doctrines that don’t treat me kind.
“Sure, but if you did, seems natural to point out which was which and why.”
Sure, seems natural that most people explain the provenance of their thoughts
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 5:03 pm #
Yes, IJS, the associations of people who wish to be elected POTUS, the most powerful position on the planet, is unimportant. Totally irrelevant, nothing to see here. Move on.
Only in a fantasy world is that true. The character of the person is the single most important factor in who people choose to vote for, and who that person chooses to associate with and to single out as particularly worthy in their life, is damn important. I suspect you would know this if we were talking about McCain or Bush.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 5:05 pm #
“I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy.â€Â
The it should be easy as pie to find a quote. I bet you can’t, because he has only “condemned” in the vaguest terms “some of” what the good preacher man has said. He owes it to us to identify which parts, or my bet is he will be sunk.
Comment by darlas on 3/18 @ 5:11 pm #
“The it should be easy as pie to find a quote. ”
Go ahead then. I just ctrl-f’ed the speech, which I haven’t had time to read in its entirety. But its enough to give me a sense of what he objects to and what he likes.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/18 @ 5:22 pm #
What he likes is to have close personal associations with bigots, and terrorists, and people who clearly loathe this country. I think thats a pretty low bar to set for someone who wishes to be the leader of the free world.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 5:23 pm #
“I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy.â€Â
That identifies it enough for me.
So, which ones were they? The ones that he was nodding his head in agreement with? The ones that he was clapping for? Oh, those ones. The ones that are no longer convenient now that he is running for President.
darlas is a fine example of people projecting their visions onto Baracky, seeing what they want to see in him. Case studies are always so fun.
EG - I think the whole focus really gets lost in the specifics. On a meta level, it tells us much more about Baracky that he never saw fit to address any of the lunacy from Wright until such point that it became an issue in his campaign. At that point, fire the lifetime friend, cast him aside, and tell everyone to look the other way.
Obama could have actually done what he preaches today, and confronted his beloved Pastor and spiritual adviser at the time when he made the statements. He could have shown some spine, but again, chose to vote present. That he scuttles those close to him for political expediency and when they no longer serve his purpose is predictable. He had a glorious opportunity for a teachable moment, and he never even stepped up to the plate.
He did however, nod in agreement, keep right on going to that Church, and donate tens of thousands of dollars to them. So, he may reject them in word today, but 20 years of deeds says otherwise.
Comment by Jim in KC on 3/18 @ 5:24 pm #
Family, you’re stuck with. Even if you don’t like them, they’re still family.
If “friends” or “associates” or “pastors” turn out to be idiots, give ‘em the heave-ho.
Obama fails the common-sense test on this one, I think.
Comment by Cowboy on 3/18 @ 6:03 pm #
u guyz….get back on track
Shit. I just bought this irony meter!!
Comment by McGehee on 3/18 @ 6:15 pm #
Cowboy, I had to join the Irony Meter of the Week Club™ when Nishtoon showed up.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 3/18 @ 6:30 pm #
- Ok…..the word is out that the “people who support Hillery” will no longer be associated with the Kos site. period.
- Rift?……what rift?
- The beat goes on.
Comment by darlas on 3/18 @ 6:33 pm #
“What he likes is to have close personal associations with bigots, and terrorists, and people who clearly loathe this country. I think thats a pretty low bar to set for someone who wishes to be the leader of the free world.”
Looks like he’ll be a fine person to guarantee us sweet sweet saudi oil. That Obama. Got something for everyone!
Comment by LiveFromFortLivingRoom on 3/18 @ 7:14 pm #
WHO EVER CONTROLS THIS WEBSITE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE IT SO I WHEN IT GETS TO 100 COMMENTS IT DOES NOT CUT OFF A THE FIRST FIVE WORDS. THANK YOU.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/18 @ 7:19 pm #
LFFLR,iirc, it’s some kinda weird problem with IE (though, RTO says that’s what he’s using, maybe an updated version?). I haven’t had a problem using Firefox.
Comment by RTO Trainer on 3/18 @ 7:19 pm #
Living room: You need to move to Firefox or download IE 7 and all the patches.
Irony meter? I had to duck the springs and gears when I tried to take a credibiliity reading off one of Nishis’ poasts. Apparently they just DON’T make them that can handle a negative output.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 7:22 pm #
I always so enjoy it when Maggie and RTO are both commenting together.
Comment by MayBee on 3/18 @ 7:33 pm #
I always so enjoy it when Maggie and RTO are both commenting together.
I loved it most when they were separated by war, but posting at the same time. It was like a modern Cold Mountain.
Comment by darlas on 3/18 @ 7:54 pm #
“So, which ones were they?”
the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy.
Comment by JD on 3/18 @ 7:57 pm #
Fucking specifics, darlas. Name ‘em.
Comment by B Moe on 3/18 @ 8:02 pm #
Looks like he’ll be a fine person to guarantee us sweet sweet saudi oil. That Obama. Got something for everyone!
He damn well better, since he is apparently going to piss away our deals with Canada and Mexico.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/18 @ 8:14 pm #
ah, the “I’m sorry I got caught and um, may get caught in the future” apology.
Comment by datadave on 3/18 @ 8:37 pm #
man, nishi you gotta stop stirring the wasp nest? 222 posts and counting. Did I need to bother to see who’s here?
anyway, Obama came out as a straight shooter and didn’t betray his friend’s loyalty to his own family. It might cost Obama the Presidency…but who thought he had it anyway? Certainly not Rush Limbaugh or the “Billary”. I still hope.
Obama, tonight made McCain look like a flappy, incontinent, wishy-washy old banker. Ol’ man Potter, who’d sell out his past friends for a pot of gold….like sleeping with the Bushes after being the Maverick! Hmmm, now we’ll get more bail outs for the rich and deferred taxes for the rest of us, if he gets the Presidency.
Obama refused to disown his ‘brother’ and did a pretty good job of explaining the rhetorical extremes as being what they are: methophorical embellishment that most preacher’s use. Obama disowned some of the words but not the person…unlike a Republican (who like Reagan traded arms for hostage) (or sold out America in order to win an election…Watergate, etc.) Obama said more or less, I am the “other” America, not the ‘mainstream’ and take me as I am but I won’t change my integrity to serve a false God: A god of perversity that can’t see the difference between a paper cut and a amputation. (the wounds of rich White men and wounds of those who suffered 3 centuries of slavery at the hands of those rich white men.. note I leave out the majority of us as only a minority of us were defensive of America’s dark past…but a substantial body of opinion is still in denial about the past). Obama’s election would be the healing, but alas, it’ll be a long shot.
Comment by darlas on 3/18 @ 8:55 pm #
“Fucking specifics, darlas. Name ‘em.”
Have you been following the controversy? If so you’re more familiar with them than me.
Comment by B Moe on 3/18 @ 9:05 pm #
methophorical embellishment
The secret to dave’s thought process revealed.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/18 @ 9:12 pm #
there’s a process?!
Comment by happyfeet on 3/18 @ 9:19 pm #
There are 6 posts about Obama and his racial hangups on the front page. I are overwhelmed a bit. It’s not very unitey is all I mean.
Comment by Dewclaw on 3/18 @ 9:32 pm #
DataDouche spews:
“the wounds of rich White men and wounds of those who suffered 3 centuries of slavery at the hands of those rich white men…”
Umm… I may be kinda dim, but the STAIN (STAIN, I say!) of slavery for the US is only 230+ years old. Are we now getting blamed for the European part too?
Fucking moving goal posts.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 3/18 @ 9:41 pm #
- The Portuguese were unavailable for comment……
Comment by datadave on 3/18 @ 9:41 pm #
round numbers, mate. But ‘Reconstruction’ and up through the 1950s were just about as bad as the real thing…maybe worse.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 3/18 @ 9:43 pm #
- The portion of the blogosphere that supports Hillery is stating they will boycott sites like Daily Kos and HuffPo because of the out of control hate speech, death threats and hack attacks…..
- Can’t you just feel the love…..
Comment by datadave on 3/18 @ 9:43 pm #
firefox missed that one.. but it’s sounds like something a Tobakky company could use, methophorical nicotine!
Trackback by Oblogatory Anecdotes - Battered Flag Syndrome on 3/19 @ 1:31 am #
Battered Flag Syndrome
It looks like Obama finally found a use for the American flag. After disrespecting and ignoring her, refusing to hold her near his heart, and even fancying other flags from time to time, Old glory can alway be counted on to stand by her man in a time…
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/19 @ 5:09 am #
I just wanna know — when the hell can we hold Africa to account for the slavery they’re still practicing? If the now universally reviled practice that ended 150 years ago is still enough to warrant Wright’s racist, hate-filled rants, isn’t the as-we-speak existence of that same practice a bigger problem?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/19 @ 7:39 am #
But it was you that derailed us.
One need not, indeed. My pastor doesn’t preach that, though. In fact, I haven’t heard anyone seriously propose that to other than elementary school students.
This was your point, not mine. And you were wrong about it, which is typical.
Seriously, as a third grader, you had access to what the Bible actually said. Certainly you had access to people who could read the original; people from a variety of faiths. If your skepticism is developed enough, it should be skeptical of conclusions you’ve drawn, yourself. I think you’re still not there.
You knew wrong, as I’ve pointed out. Really, blaming your priest for erroneous conclusions you’ve drawn based on an erroneous narrative is, to be delicate, fraught with fuckup opportunity. This is a minor fuckup, to be sure, but you seem hell-bent on blaming others for it. Take some responsibility for your own mistakes, please.
But you believed that the story he was telling was an accurate representation of what was in the Bible, and you also believed your own erroneous conclusion that whales cannot swallow anything larger than plankton. Which is true for some whales, granted, but the fact that until yesterday you continued to believe that it’s true for all whales leads me to suspect that you’re not prone to self-examination to any regardable degree. And, as noted above, you’re willing to perform any amount of rhetorical gymnastics to avoid owning your own error.
Not all whales are baleen whales. I’m not sure how often this needs to be repeated; possibly (based on experience) a lot more.
Which is fine, really, but it doesn’t do much to reinforce the myth of nishi of the large brain.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/19 @ 7:56 am #
In any case the large fish is the least important part of the story of Noah, and when someone focuses laser like on that aspect of the larger story it is generally a sign that they are not yet ready to hear what is being said.
Whether the fish or the storm were real or allegorical is secondary to the message of refusing God, thereby causing turbulence in your life and often the lives of those around you and finally accepting what God commands and as a result receiving Gods assistance.
Sorry for being so Godbothery to those that are put off by it.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/19 @ 7:57 am #
Not Noah, Jonah - doh!
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/19 @ 7:57 am #
Ya know, the idea that a self-proclaimed genius isn’t aware that not all whales are filter feeders is mind-boggling. Now, I admit my mind’s a trash heap — all sorts of random facts and trivia are stored in it, just waiting for the chance to come out — but I’d consider knowledge of, oh, killer whales to be pretty basic. Add in narwhals, AFACIR.
Not that this is on subject, really. To get back on subject:
The length to which Obama supporters are going to deny his association with Wright, or to excuse Wright’s obvious pathologies, is saddening.
Comment by I'm Just Saying on 3/19 @ 9:59 am #
In all the stupid posts about Obama, this one takes the cake. It wins an immediate hypocrisy award for not only accusing others of hypocrisy, but displaying that same hypocrisy.
Were you interested, EG, in the fact that man who “led Bush to Jesus” is on tape talking to Nixon about how Jews are terrible? Since character is so important to you, you voted for a former drunk, who used cocaine, who was a failure at business, and whose character apparently only started counting when he bought part of the Texas Rangers (less than the necessary 20 years that Obama knew Wright!). No, George’s past was “unfair” to delve into. His laughing at Karla Faye Tucker, his lack of knowledge about world leaders…none of these things meant anything to you.
And, what of John McCain? In the past 20 years, Senator McCain is guilty of political corruption. This, however, unmoves you, because it’s not like his minister (do we know what McCain’s minister has said) or his plumber said something inflammatory. The fact that a tortured man votes against a torture bill, so Rush Limbaugh and Karl will like him more is evidence of CHARACTER?
No, I think delving into character is stupid. I want to know about past deeds and present views. You say Bill Clinton had no character (adultery, lying, obstruction of justice) and George has character. Looking at the world today and remembering the world of 2000, I’m gonna go ahead and decide that character, as defined by Republican opposition researchers, is not indicative of future results.
Your award is well-deserved and will be shipped to you.
Comment by JD on 3/19 @ 10:03 am #
Swing and a miss, yet again, by the ever-mendoucheous IJS. Now, go crawl back under your rock.
Comment by Carin on 3/19 @ 10:07 am #
Looking at the world today and remembering the world of 2000, I’m gonna go ahead and decide that character, as defined by Republican opposition researchers, is not indicative of future results.
You mean, the year 2000 that existed in the same linear time-line as 9/11?
As for past deeds and present views. Well … he thought Rezco was a good man to get involved with (as friend, neighbor, and business partner) and he didn’t see anything wrong with the philosophy of Wright. Neither of these criticisms (by me) have one thing to do with how I view his character but his judgement.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/19 @ 10:20 am #
There is no hypocrisy in my statement IJS, you are reaching. Rather than dealing with the issue at hand you are pointing to others of whom it is possible the same thing may be said, and I stress may be possible. You are telling me that 2 wrongs do make a right. I disagree.
You can still mail me my award, however, I promise to give it a good home.
I would also like to point out that I am NOT critical of the character issues that Obama has overcome. He has given up drugs, as Bush did. What I am pointing out is the continued close association with a man known to spout hateful things is certainly troublesome.
I voted for Clinton, twice. Then I grew up.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/19 @ 10:22 am #
Also, McCain is a politically mendacious douche. You can have him.
Comment by Education Guy on 3/19 @ 10:24 am #
No, I think delving into character is stupid. I want to know about past deeds and present views.
I missed this. Good luck convincing the American people.
Comment by McGehee on 3/19 @ 11:35 am #
If you’re not interested in character, why care about past deeds?
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/20 @ 9:55 pm #
criminee
look. your point [Karl] seems to be that Wright is a Black Liberation Theologist, AND since O attended Wrights church for 20 THEREFORE O MUST BE a Black Liberation Theologist TOO.
my point is, that aint neccessarily so.
and IPOF, you cannot provide a single cite of Black Liberation Theology in ANY of O’s works.
the four words, “the audacity of hope” do not your case make.
Comment by B Moe on 3/20 @ 10:02 pm #
Did everybody get that? Or does nishi need to post the same fucking thing for the 437th time for someone just waking from a five day blackout drunk?
Comment by RTO Trainer on 3/20 @ 10:07 pm #
If she waits until no one is commenting on a thread anymore she might get The Last Word ™ and thus Win!
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