Bite me is the thing that you must do:
Perhaps we should peel away the rhetoric of victimhood, used so indecently, and look at what’s actually being demanded here: A right not to hear that one is being irrational, dishonest or mortifyingly stupid, regardless of just how irrational, dishonest or mortifyingly stupid one actually is. That’s a license of no small magnitude, and one that a person of good faith would neither grant nor desire. It’s one thing for a Muslim to perform whatever mental contortions are required to add the honorific “peace be upon him†to the name of a vain and murderous Bedouin who claimed to talk with God while beheading hundreds of his victims; but to enshrine that pathological dishonesty in international law would be intellectual vandalism on a jaw-dropping scale.
Unrelated: I’m happy to have been very young when people were this optimistic.
Dan, you are very generous in addressing unreason with reason. Silly – but very generous.
Oh no. You know what happened last time someone associated Islam with violence…riots, torchings, looting. If you want the RoP to keep calm, don’t suggest they’re the violent sort.
Thanks, Mikey, but that’s only because, by and large, life has sucked my dick.
Blessed is he whose dick life hasn’t sucked, and yet has been generous.
Good phraseology, Dan.
Mohammed, “the Praised One”, the prophet of Islam and the founder of Mohammedanism, can suck my dick.
I’m just being generous.
Wow, this post is raw
Kinda like an armadillo after an afternoon of humping the Tickle Me Elmo doll.
Well, I was just rereading Levi-Strauss.
mojammad, the Profit, may also suckest on my biggus dikkus.
Well, I’m a little particular about who orally engulfs my engorged member, but for sure Mohammad (may piss be upon him) can kiss my lily white ass.
Also, does it seem to anyone else the comment spam is getting out of hand?
Yeah, lee. Every time we see a spike in Progg criticism, we see a spike in comment spam.
BTW: Nishi, I think you’re pretty brave.
You just need to know what to jettison to make your belief as beautiful as it can be.
You’re still figuring that out.
I think the OIC has a very stereotyped view of Islam. From what I hear, it’s all about poetry, dancing and binge drinking.
I have always pictured Allah as a pitcher and Mo as a catcher.
well……mine is.
;)
look…u guyz dont know a lot about my islam.
OTOH, i was raised catholic and spent years years gulagged into the vasty intellectual wasteland of parochial school.
a very cool thing about Sufism is that u can have shayyks(teachers) that are dead.
Rabi’a is like…my favorite sufi saint.
i model on her a lot.
26. They said, “Do you love the presence fo majesty?”
She said, “I do.”
They said, “Do you hate Satan?”
She said, “Out of love of the compassionate [Allah, the compassionate the caring], I have no occasion for hatred toward Satan. I saw the Prophet in a dream. He said, ‘Rabi’a, do you love me?’, I said, ‘O Prophet of God, who is there that doesn’t love you? But the love of the real [Allah] has so pervaded me that there is no place in my heart for love or hatred of another.’ ”
Yah haq! [the real]
As a Christian, I hate evil, and love the truth.
btw, Rabi’a was a slave.
do u see?
the correlation between my faith and the fundie-millenialist hirgabis [brigands] that u call islamofascists is about the same as the correlation between ur faith and Charles Taylors brand of xianity.
Yah haq! [the real]
Yah haq, the vacuous, which is what your statement is – at best.
hirgabii
haha, i cant speel in arabic either.
the vacuous
Mansur al-Hallaj died for saying the real.
he was crucified.
Your first statement is still vacuous. Your second statement begins to make the case that the two combined indicate your narcissism.
I get the feeling nishi you shopped around religions, until you found one that agrees with your world view.
that’s not enlightenment hon, that’s validation.
Validation in a kind of new-age, psychotherapist, stroke your ego kinda way.
How odd. I don’t think of the Christianity I believe as being “my” Christianity. Because, you know, I didn’t make it all up to suit myself, is why.
David Thompson’s been on the case for a while. Here’s an even better quote from him on the same subject, from last December, via our limey libertarian friends at Samizdata.
Frankly, Nish, if your Islam is the kind of Islam that gets you stoned to death if you visit Mecca, it isn’t Islam.
But if you want to go to a Brotherhood Mosque and explain to them why they’re not REALLY Muslims, you go right ahead.
Make sure you explain that you consider terrorism to be just another kind of youthful indiscretion, though, that might get you off the hook.
Then, if you survive, maybe you’ll have one of those non-solipsistic revelations and cure that nagging rectal-cranial inversion.
dont care.
yours is better for u, mine is better for me.
mcgeehee, ur sect is different from snakehandlers, kk?
sufism is different from whahabbism.
Nishi’s right in one respect: Islam looks bigger and more varied from the inside than from the outside, as would any grouping of humanity that size. But the obvious rebuttal remains in force: if “misconceptions about Islam” need to be cleared up, let the moderate, peaceful Muslims clear them up among the terrorists, not the terrorists’ victims.
nishi is simply totally absorbed with love of Allah=herself. So the contradictions involved with what nishi says and what other Muslims say and do simply can’t matter. But nishi will go on, anyway, and especially because nishi also thinks she is Mansur al-Hallaj, a victim.
Kind of reminds me of an independently standing Teratoma.
misconceptions about Islam
not in my job-description dude.
im american, membah?
if i lived there those nutjobs wud try to me.
i live here.
freedom of religion, dig?
and theoretically freedom of government from religion.
;)
try to off me.
and theoretically freedom of government from religion.
I think I was sick that day in American history class. Where was that found in the constitution again?
article 6.
It seems to me that islam is what the islamic consensus says it it, not what nishi thinks it is. In a religion without a central authority, the majority of adherents define it.
try to off me.
You are doing it well enough to yourself already. And we can’t stop you, either. Only you can.
the sufi and the mu’tazhili have both been ‘purged’, altho not as successfully as the catholics purged the albigensians.
we are still around.
they aren’t.
From article six:
no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
I would say that’s quite a stretch to “freedom of government from religion.”
THEOCRATS !!!!!!!!!!
works for me.
;)
let me make this clear.
i follow the Steve Sailor model.
citizenry should trump religion, race, ethnicity, and gender.
i am a citizen first.
if i lived in Saud i would be persecuted for bein Sufi.
i dont.
i live here.
you seem to reguard my faith as somehow inferior to urs, as disloyal even.
im not injectin my faith into government like the theocons.
i think im much more faithful to wat the Founders intended.
i am free to choose any religion, an im not obligated to chastize ppl in other sects for they believe, nor am i obligated to justify anything to u.
the theocons have convolved religious issues with the republican party.
u say that is ur right.
i say it is not wat the Founders intended.
we [Faux Liberals] are still around.
also i completely dont unnerstand wat dan is sayin.
NO religion shud be legally protected from criticism, not islam, not xianity.
all religions are the same…..memetic tribes that evolved to confer membership benefits on larger groups.
why shud thompson’s stuff be addressed to me?
/extremely puzzled
oh.
dan, were u expectin i’d start wilin’ out cuz thompson said bad stuff about the Prophet?
i dont care.
sry to disappoint.
nor am i obligated to justify anything to u.
Nor even to yourself, there being “no Controlling Authority” present, purely narcissistic mechanisms excepted.
“you seem to reguard my faith as somehow inferior to urs”
No. You’re just projecting again, though not completely.
You don’t so much regard our religions as inferior to yours, you regard us as inferior because we subscribe (or rather, you assume we subscribe) to them.
You don’t recognize any of the variation in the religions subscribed to by us, yet you insist we understand the finest nuances of the differences within yours.
You claim superior knowledge of our religions, and that we have none of your own, based on nothing more than what you wish were true. Insisting on your own perceived reality in spite of the facts.
How about you go away and get rid of that log in your eye. When you do that, then consider coming back.
also i completely dont unnerstand wat dan is sayin.
Yes, I now think you can be exempted from any group or person who thinks they have a “right to not hear”, since you seem to be effectively deaf already and moreover virtually paint yourself even into the realms of non-existence and non-meaning. Congrats on your escape routes.
Then, again, I’ve not read very much of what you have said on this blog elsewhere.
Is it just me or has Nishi not actually said or done anything to demonstrate her “intelligence” other than to assert that she’s intelligent?
but i dont claim anything about ur religions.
i just want them out of the republican party, is all.
i wuz raised catholic.
i know that sect pretty well i guess.
i patiently explained why xians get stereotyped as stupid.
never once did i say u were stupid, hehe.
they (Albigensians)* aren’t.
Wrong. Still plenty of Gnostics around.
Next.
*By “Albigensians” I assume she means “Cathars” rather than the inhabitants of the city of Albi. That’s still here, too, of course.
BRD, the question for me is why she even appears here. I suspect the answer is that she’s from the Faux Liberal Cult. I don’t know what they think they are accomplishing other than the usual infantile chance to irritate, which seems to produce gratification enough in itself, while we’re supposed to tolerate nonsense as Diversity – or something like that.
but i dont claim anything about ur religions.
i just want them out of the republican party, is all.
What you really want, and are severely missing, is a bottle, little nishi.
nishi –
Just go away. Nobody here gives a fig about your religion.
What we do care about is a bunch of seventh century gorillas who wish to destroy us and our families. We of the West have a problem with illiterate thugs killing not only unbelievers, but also killing their own children for “Allah”. What a bunch of horseshit. Scary horseshit, but stupid, egotistical horseshit, none-the-less.
What other religion requires it’s adherents to live in a world comprised of stunted ideas from 1,300 years ago? What other religion says that God insists that all non-believers be exterminated? What other religion demands that the toilets in prisons not face East? Give us a break. These people are out of their fucking minds.
You may be fine, but what are you doing to stop these psychopaths?
Yup. Islam – the religion of peace! My ass….If you can define us by idiots like Pat Robertson, why can’t we define you by the brainless morons who worship the distant past?
And learn how to spell. You might be able to make a point if you possessed that ability.
Well that good to hear
So was your free wt. loss info, jimmy. Thanks.
Nope, it’s not just you.
i am free to choose any religion, an im not obligated to chastize ppl in other sects for they believe,
Unless you are a theocon.
I find it interesting that nishi has totally avoided any mention of Mohammad in her discussion of Islam. Do you feel the same love for him Rabi’a professes?
…why shud thompson’s stuff be addressed to me?
Thompson is making the case, as do many of Mohammad’s followers, that he was a murderous bastard preaching intolerance and violent religious imperialism. You profess to love and worship him. What is a non-believer to think?
“i patiently explained why xians get stereotyped as stupid.
never once did i say u were stupid, hehe.”
You cna’t say anything about “me.” You have no idea whether I’m a Christian or not.
What you have done is told everyone that YOU believe Christians are stupid and then constructed a stereotype as cover for your belief in order to avoid criticism.
where did i profess that?
btw, u havent read the Qur’an, and have likely only read that puffy buffoon roobart sbunser’s cherry pickings.
spencer regurgitates radical fundie-millenialist exegesis to prove Islam is teh satan.
one more time, those hirgabii arent muslims.
they kill innocents, they cant be muslims. Muhammed says that in the Qur’an.
so they are not “his followers”.
Muhammed is revered for uniting the arab tribes and stopping them from killin each other in jizyyah combat.
certainly he was a warlord, an contemporary of his time.
in Immaculate Conception parochial school i was taught that the pope is “god’s face on earth”.
like say Innocent III that caused the death of at least 1,000,000 true innocents.
from evolutionary theory of culture we understand that religions arose to unite smaller semi-consanguinous tribes into larger, powerful and more evolutionarily fit memetic tribes.
governments arose to unite the religious tribes, and also to protect members of one religious tribe from another.
actually, the government of the United States was designed to protect citizens from religion.
that is why i am dismayed by the theocon subversion of the republican party.
im doinin my job as an american to keep our country safe, i work for a defense contracter.
psychologically rehabbin the hirgabii just isnt in my job description.
no RTO i was just explainin to feets an cranky-d why the cultural perception of xians is that they are stupid.
they were wondering about it.
and im sry for teasin about jesus’ genes.
i was bein a greifer there.
i know xians cant explain it.
i was weak.
;)
And I’m sorry for ignoring you.
also, a big thing about uniting the arab tribes was that muslims should not EVER kill other muslims.
Muhammed was very strong on that.
and that is in the Qur’an also.
the hirgabii just cherry pick the Qur’an (like spencer) to validate wat they want to prove.
aww c’mon slart..it was funnie.
;)
l8r..gtg to work.
they were wondering about it.
yes, I’m sure cranky and feets needed you to explain culture to them.
u havent read the Qur’an
Wrong again.
You’re on a roll, aren’t you?
“u havent read the Qur’an”
Says you. Again.
Bald assertions about other people’s knowledge are not a substitute for valid argument.
actually, the government of the United States was designed to protect citizens from religion.
that is why i am dismayed by the theocon subversion of the republican party.
I admit that there is a certain sect around these days who wishes very much to have this accepted as truth, but it is not truth. Which makes you either horribly uninformed or a liar.
When is everyone else going to learn that pointing out these kinds of shortcomings is fruitless?
Maybe when I do.
Wrong.
Nishi, while I do wish that you did not write your comments in the style of a brain-addled pubescent, if what you profess is true, you are, as it were, on the side of the angels.
Although I think the history of Christianity defies the “uniting tribes under common cause” banner.
As to Innocent III, some would say that the Cathars were hardly innocent. Indeed, the reason that the Crusade turned out as bloody as it did was the local lords using Catharism as an excuse to Stick it to the Man, as Henry VIII later would. And while one hates to get all schoolyard, how exactly was Innocent to respond to the murder of his legate?
one more time, those hirgabii arent muslims.
they kill innocents, they cant be muslims. Muhammed says that in the Qur’an.
so they are not “his followersâ€Â.
But they would say the same about you, based on other Verses, which is why this statement:
also, a big thing about uniting the arab tribes was that muslims should not EVER kill other muslims.
Muhammed was very strong on that.
…is completely situational. Both sides cherry pick verses to disenfranchise the other, thereby making it okay to kill them. Apostates and heretics are neither innocent nor Muslim, which means they are fair game.
how exactly was Innocent to respond to the murder of his legate?
by causing the deaths of a million ppl, of course.
ppl that have never been muslim are neither apostates or heretics.
they are innocent.
by infidels the Prophet meant pagans.
he always had respect for the ppl of the book (jews an xians)
the hirgabii kill muslims.
so they cannot be muslim.
wat dont u unnerstand?
Lots of muz kill other muz and many, many disagree with you. In fact, sufis have often been on the getting killed end. islam is what the consensus says it is, not what you say it is.
Ease up. She’s 12.
Forever, apparently.
wrong pablo, the uncreated Qur’an is the final arbiter.
the sufis are a lot like jews.
we have always been persecuted, we dont proselytize, and not everyone can join our tribe.
Really? Because this moron told me:
Memo to nishi: the Quran is a book written by a black man. It arbitrates nothing.
So, did Muhammed ride al-Burak?
“one more time, those hirgabii arent muslims”
Neither is nishi. Thank God. Sufis? LOL…An interesting lot but about as Muslim as my ass. Of course, I can call my self a caterpillar. I’m not sure why I’d do that, but I could. I’m a caterpillar. Yea me!
Nishi is just a bad person. She lies a lot, insults people, doesn’t think about what she says, makes excuses for terrorists (no, I’m not going to forget that Nishi), and generally rambles incoherently as suits her momentary desires, giving no thought to either reality or any greater good.
She also arrogates to herself the right to define what a “Muslim” is, especially laughable in that she does it in such a way that it excludes almost all Muslims, including Mohammed.
Nishi has now joined the grand gallery of those to be talked about, not to.