Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it were all a fabrication, but until we hear from the horse’s as… I mean, mouth… then we can’t possibly know for sure. And probably not even then. So I think everyone else is lieing.
Holy shit, is he still blathering on about the Fabulist At Large incoherent ramblings as if they might be real? I guess those Kos Kidz really know how to tongue bathe someone’s anus. Christ, I’m surprised he doesn’t commemorate the bombing of Pearl Harbor by proclaiming “Terri Schiavo! BusHitler! No blood for oil! Patchouli is on sale!” Then again, December is yet to come this year, so there’s still time.
It’s yet another proof of Law #73 of Blogs and Blog Comments: Any post beginning with “Shorter” will consist of the most dishonest and simpleminded interpretation that fits the author’s preconceived narrative.
“This whole incident (including the CY reaction to this story and the blogswarm) is insultingly stupid. If, in fact these horrifying dog massacres happened, guess what? The iraqi’s already know about it, regardless if it was in the TNR.
If they did not happen, and it was all a lie, guess what- the Iraqi’s can point to literally HUNDREDS of other incidents that are documented and did happen. Like, for example, A bu Ghraib. Trust me- your average Iraqi is not scouring the TNR pages loking for somethign to be outraged about.”
What the fuck are you talking about, John?
“This was never about the Iraqi’s, or about their relationships with our soldiers. This was about domestic politics.”
Even when he figures it out, he still can’t figure it out.
fwiw, Beauchamp was punished by the Army for posting his unit’s departure date on his blog *before* deploying from Germany.
And it was a fairly mild punishment so far as punishment’s go.
Beauchamp lost about $250 per month in base pay, still makes over $1,200 per month, and his food, clothing, lodging, and medical expenses are all paid for.
and I’m a veteran, so don’t question *my* patriotism. Or ask why the fact that Beauchamp is married to a TNR fact checker doesn’t play some eensey/teensey role in Foer’s decision to publish craptastic fiction.
Seriouly, Beauchamp’s command of the facts is along the lines of ‘As I hiked through the mountains of Holland, I was struck by their craggy majesty’
Seriouly, Beauchamp’s command of the facts is along the lines of ‘As I hiked through the mountains of Holland, I was struck by their craggy majesty’
Or a favorite quote from a rather surreal version of “Babes in Toyland”: “Welcome to Cincinnati! The heart of Ohio’s alpine ski country!”
“Ive gone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how Beauchamp is not a big deal, but it never occurred to me that the penalty for signing a false statement is much larger than the penalty had anyone actually engaged in the made-up misconduct.”
Rob, I think you’re pulling our leg. I’ve been close enough to Cincinnati to know that it would be a stretch to call it Ozarkian, let alone Alpine.
That’s what makes the quote so surreal. Well, that and the fact it was delivered by Keanu Reeves to Drew Barrymore.
At any rate, since it has been only a week, I am curious why there is little conversation about Beauchamp. last week he was single-handedly destroying morale, fueling terrorist hate, and smearing the country. He was such a threat that every milblogger and every Bush blogger immediately set phasers on smear, and hysteria reached a fevered pitch in no time.
Is it just me or does Cole’s post and his supporter’s comments give you the feeling that they think that lying to a superior officer in the armed forces is exactly the same as trying to bullshit your way out of Dhall with a junior high asst. principal? Which is about the level of maturity that you would expect these assholes to work with when they solve all of the world’s problems for us.
Wow, that was painful. Luckily the almost overwhelming urge to put my 2 cents in wore off before I got to the end of comments.
It was hard, so very hard, not to point out that the argument (as pointed out by Sticky and Karl in #16) that the events Beauchamp described were more serious than lying in an investigation (and therefore we should assume all and sundry lied) is incompatible with the person who made pains to point out that soldiers do these sort of base things all the time.
It was hard not to explain *again* that the events Beauchamp described were less the point than the overall environment of approval as portrayed for the behavior. No one doubted that similar things happen. Almost everyone who doubted, doubted the *way* they happened and that there was never any consequences. (Consequences would probably be minor… but they’d exist.)
By the end I came to my senses and realized that it would be beyond pointless to say again what people refused to hear before.
I wonder if, in a parallel universe, Cole could read that post of his and recognize how badly he WANTS Beauchamp’s stories to be true.
Funny that someone would actually bother to read the comments on a post at Cole’s rathole. The only thing worse than his idiocy (well, beyond Tim F.’s complete moonbattery) are the absoulte DREGS that inhabit his comment section. Fever swamp of moonbats.
Oh, and I think the reason someone wrote that line was either as a joke, or because they got confused by all the local places named “Mount”. We’ve got Mt. Adams, Mt. Carmel, Mt. Airy, Mt. Auburn, Mt. Lookout, Mt. Washington, etc. Mind you, these are just hills, averaging about 400′ above the Ohio river valley — and level with the plains NORTH of them.
Rob Crawford – I taught my 5 year old to ski at Perfect North. She now calls it “The Hill”. But, she learned well enough to ski solo at Alta and The Canyons.
When did his fall from rationality complete itself? When he refused to moderate his comments section and it was overrun by moonbats, or after some personal slight that occured during/after the Terri Schivao episode?
Oh, and I think the reason someone wrote that line was either as a joke, or because they got confused by all the local places named “Mountâ€Â. We’ve got Mt. Adams, Mt. Carmel, Mt. Airy, Mt. Auburn, Mt. Lookout, Mt. Washington, etc. Mind you, these are just hills, averaging about 400′ above the Ohio river valley  and level with the plains NORTH of them.
Tell me about it. I live in Florida (peak elevation: about 350 feet), and there are gobs of places named as if they were part of the Sierra Nevadas. Just within rock-throwing distance of Orlando, there’s Altamonte Springs, Clermont, Mount Dora and Montverde. Then, further away, there’s the perplexingly named Blue Mountain Beach.
I hear the coffee’s pretty good there. No ski slopes, though.
Next to Florida, the Ohio River Valley looks like the Swiss Alps.
Everyone is lieing but me.
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.
And the people who agree with me.
Sometimes.
I mean, they could lie, if they wanted to. But just so you know, their lies are not as bad as your lies.
Because their lies, I agree with.
It’s interesting in a sad way to watch John spiral further and further into the persona he used to openly mock.
Here’s to hoping that BDS will be curable the moment the grand high evil one leaves office.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it were all a fabrication, but until we hear from the horse’s as… I mean, mouth… then we can’t possibly know for sure. And probably not even then. So I think everyone else is lieing.
Was that close?
Holy shit, is he still blathering on about the Fabulist At Large incoherent ramblings as if they might be real? I guess those Kos Kidz really know how to tongue bathe someone’s anus. Christ, I’m surprised he doesn’t commemorate the bombing of Pearl Harbor by proclaiming “Terri Schiavo! BusHitler! No blood for oil! Patchouli is on sale!” Then again, December is yet to come this year, so there’s still time.
Ah, more examples of “shorter” being 1. Not Short and 2. Not even remotely matching what was actually said.
It’s yet another proof of Law #73 of Blogs and Blog Comments: Any post beginning with “Shorter” will consist of the most dishonest and simpleminded interpretation that fits the author’s preconceived narrative.
“This whole incident (including the CY reaction to this story and the blogswarm) is insultingly stupid. If, in fact these horrifying dog massacres happened, guess what? The iraqi’s already know about it, regardless if it was in the TNR.
If they did not happen, and it was all a lie, guess what- the Iraqi’s can point to literally HUNDREDS of other incidents that are documented and did happen. Like, for example, A bu Ghraib. Trust me- your average Iraqi is not scouring the TNR pages loking for somethign to be outraged about.”
What the fuck are you talking about, John?
“This was never about the Iraqi’s, or about their relationships with our soldiers. This was about domestic politics.”
Even when he figures it out, he still can’t figure it out.
Kind of sad, really.
Anyone care to give the Reader’s Digest version of this? I stopped going to John’s site a while ago.
Judging by what’s quoted here, he’s pissed that people care that TNR published slanderous lies.
fwiw, Beauchamp was punished by the Army for posting his unit’s departure date on his blog *before* deploying from Germany.
And it was a fairly mild punishment so far as punishment’s go.
Beauchamp lost about $250 per month in base pay, still makes over $1,200 per month, and his food, clothing, lodging, and medical expenses are all paid for.
and I’m a veteran, so don’t question *my* patriotism. Or ask why the fact that Beauchamp is married to a TNR fact checker doesn’t play some eensey/teensey role in Foer’s decision to publish craptastic fiction.
Seriouly, Beauchamp’s command of the facts is along the lines of ‘As I hiked through the mountains of Holland, I was struck by their craggy majesty’
Or a favorite quote from a rather surreal version of “Babes in Toyland”: “Welcome to Cincinnati! The heart of Ohio’s alpine ski country!”
If only he’d started each one with, “No shit! there I was…..”
Rob, I think you’re pulling our leg. I’ve been close enough to Cincinnati to know that it would be a stretch to call it Ozarkian, let alone Alpine.
Shorter John Cole:
“Ive gone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how Beauchamp is not a big deal, but it never occurred to me that the penalty for signing a false statement is much larger than the penalty had anyone actually engaged in the made-up misconduct.”
Short-er. It’s all relative.
That’s what makes the quote so surreal. Well, that and the fact it was delivered by Keanu Reeves to Drew Barrymore.
You know the difference between a Sea Story and a fairy tale?
A fairy tale begins “Once upon a time…” and a Sea Story begins “I shit you not…”
Remember when Cole was complaining that there wasn’t enough talk about STB?
I do.
That boy is about as sharp as a bowling ball.
Is it just me or does Cole’s post and his supporter’s comments give you the feeling that they think that lying to a superior officer in the armed forces is exactly the same as trying to bullshit your way out of Dhall with a junior high asst. principal? Which is about the level of maturity that you would expect these assholes to work with when they solve all of the world’s problems for us.
Sticky – indeed. I usually have to have hit the single malt before I try to solve all the world’s problems. Those people do it sober, if stupid.
The inevitable transformation of John Cole into Juan Cole continues…
I know Cole thinks that “Hot Air and Ill-Informed Banter” subtitle is clever.
I, however, believe it might be the most accurate statement in his entire blog.
#23. That just about says it all.
Wow, that was painful. Luckily the almost overwhelming urge to put my 2 cents in wore off before I got to the end of comments.
It was hard, so very hard, not to point out that the argument (as pointed out by Sticky and Karl in #16) that the events Beauchamp described were more serious than lying in an investigation (and therefore we should assume all and sundry lied) is incompatible with the person who made pains to point out that soldiers do these sort of base things all the time.
It was hard not to explain *again* that the events Beauchamp described were less the point than the overall environment of approval as portrayed for the behavior. No one doubted that similar things happen. Almost everyone who doubted, doubted the *way* they happened and that there was never any consequences. (Consequences would probably be minor… but they’d exist.)
By the end I came to my senses and realized that it would be beyond pointless to say again what people refused to hear before.
Crap, I wish I’d noticed that was a Cole link before clicking on it. It’s like getting hit with Goatse.
Rob C-
“Welcome to Cincinnati! The heart of Ohio’s alpine ski country!â€Â
Dude! You’re only 2.5 hrs from Mad River Mountain!
(Alt. 1460 ft.)…
I wonder if, in a parallel universe, Cole could read that post of his and recognize how badly he WANTS Beauchamp’s stories to be true.
Funny that someone would actually bother to read the comments on a post at Cole’s rathole. The only thing worse than his idiocy (well, beyond Tim F.’s complete moonbattery) are the absoulte DREGS that inhabit his comment section. Fever swamp of moonbats.
The local “ski” site is Perfect North Slopes. Elevation 800ft, ski drop 400ft.
Oh, and I think the reason someone wrote that line was either as a joke, or because they got confused by all the local places named “Mount”. We’ve got Mt. Adams, Mt. Carmel, Mt. Airy, Mt. Auburn, Mt. Lookout, Mt. Washington, etc. Mind you, these are just hills, averaging about 400′ above the Ohio river valley — and level with the plains NORTH of them.
Rob Crawford – I taught my 5 year old to ski at Perfect North. She now calls it “The Hill”. But, she learned well enough to ski solo at Alta and The Canyons.
When did his fall from rationality complete itself? When he refused to moderate his comments section and it was overrun by moonbats, or after some personal slight that occured during/after the Terri Schivao episode?
Tell me about it. I live in Florida (peak elevation: about 350 feet), and there are gobs of places named as if they were part of the Sierra Nevadas. Just within rock-throwing distance of Orlando, there’s Altamonte Springs, Clermont, Mount Dora and Montverde. Then, further away, there’s the perplexingly named Blue Mountain Beach.
I hear the coffee’s pretty good there. No ski slopes, though.
Next to Florida, the Ohio River Valley looks like the Swiss Alps.
I hear the folks at Disney are working on an alpine water skiing attraction.
They’re putting the gators in wetsuits, then?