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from “Sisterprosit” in the comments..
Good question, Sister. This has always been my stumbling block with the concept of democracy-
Come for the humor, stay for the accusations of racism.
MY OPINIONS WILL NOT BE THWARTED!
I hate that word. Where I grew up, it was the most ugly, hate-filled word ever uttered. Full of racism and bigotry….with that said how do you ban a word? Will you next ban the phrase “the n-word”? Will we have to thought monitors installed in every cracker in America to determine if they think it?
I think the “marketplace of ideas” has placed social penalties on using that word and I think those are effective penalties.
Furriskey,
I’ve been wondering that for a while, and am rather curious about the intent of the Founding Fathers in that respect. While it is easy to trot our the notion that the franchise was originally limited and so on, I can’t properly imagine that they thought that all those to whom the franchise had been granted wouldn’t have been foolish, venal people, just like the rest of this.
I rather suspect (but don’t have sufficient background to actually know) that the notion that was animating them was something more akin to a combination of ‘enlightened self-interest’, ‘horse sense’, and the skepticism that comes from having to put one’s money where one’s mouth is.
In any case, however, if one starts down the path suggested by the person you quote, you eventually end up with something that looks like the dictatorship of the proletariat, the divine rights of the master race, or some such disastrous recipe for the abuse of power and the abasement of people.
BRD
Wait… What’s this?
I…
I a… uh… hrm…
I agree with Timmy?
Wow…
I don’t normally get into the gin this early, but today…
Thanks, BRD, but I’ve agreed with Jeff 3 times in the last two days. It’s starting to scare me.
Broke-ass…figure?
By George, he’s got it!
Define “cracker,” please. Is that a generic term for white Southern American? Or is it code for any white racist?
Because I’m wondering if, frankly, my remarkably non-racist yet white, Southern family will need the monitors. Or if the racist Mexicans I’ve encountered will get a pass because they’re not “crackers.”
Robert Anton Wilson had some thoughts on “Damned Things” as well…
It’s a word folks.
Timmy
the penalties you expouse are race/gender biased and discriminatory.
if I call you an assh***, there may be a social penalty here for that. I can be red, green, black, or white and you can be orange. Skin color has nothing to do with any sanctions. People may say “well, he can sure be an assh***” and givce me a pass, or they can say “Steve that word is uncivil and you need to knock it off if you want to post here” or thay could do nothing.
The list of words white males cannot say without social sanction is about 100 long.
Blacks can use any word they want for each other with little if any real sanction. Blacks can use racial and sexual slurs with little chance of any real sanction.
White liberals can call black conservaties “house nigger” and make fun of Asians “ching-chong…”
Mexicans don’t give a shit what they can’t say they’ll boo Miss USA for having a small ass and if they feel like using mayate or negro(with tone) they do.
By the way, mexican people I know could give a shit about political correct speech.. ask a mexican person who is working hard in the sun how it is going and they’ll answer something like “ aquisudando la gota gorda” which is benign or “trabajando como negro” which is a slur.
I’ve pointed out the slur and how American whites never say that and the answer is often something like “blacks are too sensitive and fuck that anyway I’m the one working my ass off, they all work at the fucking Tom Bradley Airport in the fucking air conditioning complaining all fucking day. When’s the last time you saw a twenty year old black guy with a pick and shovel in LA eh? …didn’t think so guey”
The PC police will be coming for you soon.
Un chingo de gracias.
This won’t end well…
I understand, I know and I agree, but it still won’t end well. Never does.
BTW, just watched the video. Funny.
Yes, I often comment without following the links. I’m contrary that way.
SteveG,
I agree with you as well on this point. I think perhaps the overlap is that, as far as I can tell, the Timster’s approach of not legislating the use of the word is a good way of tackling it.
With respect to your argument, perhaps it can be turned on its head a smidgen by simply noting that just because some folks are sensitive to the social sanction doesn’t mean that the sanction is bad, but rather that it should be applied uniformly, even if it is unlikely that everyone will ultimately be on board.
I think of it like spitting on the sidewalk. It’s a pretty low-grade thing to do, but some folks are just low-grade and at least do us all the favor of self-identifying so we know better than to bother.
BRD
Cranky–
I sniggered.
Me too!
How about a niggardly jigger of gin and we can snigger the day away.
What?
I figger a bigger jigger.
Why? You expectin’ Tigger?
Must.Stop.Now.
Sounding like shoe insert commercial…
What possible “social penalties” can apply to a word? Furthermore, If I utter a certain word, and if I am the only person entitled to invest that word with meaning (if I understand the prevailing view here correctly), then nobody has any right to “punish” me based on negative connotations or social sensibilities surrounding that word. People have a right to be offended, and they can just ignore boors. It is phenomenologically impossible to ban any aspect of language, it seems to me.
Watch out, mojo. Rob’s gonna pop in and upbraid you for your lack of rigor. RAW is a fiction author! He hasn’t penned anything so profound as say, a blog.
I’m just fuggin’ wit cha. I love ya, Rob. But then I’m a humorless kraut, so YMMV.
Sisterprosit.
That gets my vote for most appropriately named commenter on a YouTube vid.
Has anyone else gotten mired in a useless “debate” at that site after having commented on something topical?
If I had a quarter for every insane, historically ignorant, relativistic, foul mouthed commenter there, I’d be anything but a broke Rigger.
Oh, gee, I don’t know.
How about his job?
Which, of course, is the agenda of this reactionary leftist.
Ostracism, strained personal relationships, social awkwardness and, if you are a public figure like Brit Hume or Tony Snow, the obsessive needling of the MSM or some tool like Amato. Or, as N wrote, possible loss of employment.
Of course you can’t ban words (although there is no lack for those who would try) but to suggest an individual is not going to pay a social price for using the “n” word or any number of other denigrating racial slurs is naive.
It would be nice if the racial slur really did have a significant historical, um, slurness as opposed to some whiner somewhere setting the bar.
“Do you understand how rap works, Counselor?”
Easiest way to figure out the answer to that question is to drop the word at question in your workplace. To your supervisor, preferably, although a colleague works well if you want some time to watch the results.
The “n” word? Used daily on the streets of any major city, but watch yourself now, if your white. Does the “n” lose it’s meaning when said by a black person? Cuz crackers can make some rude comments sometimes……
I see your point, BJTexas.
Neocon, please.”
Oops, wrong N-word.
The construct of “the n-word” drives me batty. We all know what the writer/speaker is communicating by using that phrase, so who or what is actually beinf protected by not using it? It just seems like a silly euphemism to me.
It seems that the nigger can be used by – 1) blacks, and 2) Democrats. If Sen. Byrd (KKK-+9) can say nigger on national TV with no repercussions, why should obscure references to tar baby and spear chucker even raise an eyebrow?
I think that sensitivity to criticism over word usage or people’s glares when you spit on the lampost can prompt or signal a good sense of shame.
There is no graciousness anymore though. Someone conservative bumbles out a “spearchucker” and howls of outrage ensue. No sense of proportion.
Nigger is different though.
My dad hated that word and would not allow it to be used in his presence. He was a pretty easy going guy but he and my Uncle used to almost come to blows over it.
My uncle was old school UAW out of Flint, Michigan (as was the rest of my family, my dad moved to California from Flint.)
Flint and the UAW in Flint was going through a demographic change transitioning from blue collar white to blue collar black.
My uncle would tell work stories about jobsite foul ups starring “niggers” which dad would warn him about so my uncle would soften it to “jigaboo” and my dad would get in his face and for the rest of the visit he’d sulk and say “and then the nigg…um blacks….” The guy was my dad’s baby sisters husband and I swear to God dad would have murdered my uncle if he thought he’d get away with it.
Dad would always sit down with us kids after another visit gone awry and talk us through the ugliness of racism and how it robs individuals of their humanity and their dignity and how Christian people were to never behave in a way that cruelly diminished another let alone over something like race.
But dad still thinks Martin Luther King Jr. was a communist a bit of incongruity I guess you had to grow up in that era to understand
So. ‘Niggah’ is alright then?
You mean it isn’t?
Check out this satire website that’s also teh funny:
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com
Their very interesting comment pages make it clear only about half the commenters realize it’s a satire site.
And remember, Joe Wilson says that nothing ever happened there, either.
BRD-
Churchill (I think) had it right when he described it as ‘the least bad system’.
I think that the original version, when only ratepayers (in England, anyway) had the vote, had some merit, which becomes more apparent now that we have in Britain an underclass which has the power to vote for whichever party promises to continue the free handouts.
This really is very destructive of society.
However, academic brilliance is no indicator of common sense, and it seems that although there is a strong imperative to vote in your personal self interest, every now and then societies seem to rise up against short term bribes and throw the bastards out on their ears.
Changing topic, words like nigger and wog, and the use of the word wog as a synonym for steal, along with words like spastic and mong, have simply become unacceptable in general society in Britain, during my lifetime.
Blacks using the word nigger are just behaving like schoolboys who have just learned the word “bottom”. They use it ad nauseam until the novelty and shock value wear off, then they stop.
Jeffersonian: That was funny, but Wilson was partially right. The Nigers had no yellowcake, but they did have cornpone. And that ends this test of the emergency chapass network.
Thanks for that “Black People Love Us” site. Totally hilarious.
Speaking of tarbabies, what colour are the berries in a briar patch?
Sinister? You decide.
Hold it. Your guys actually think you’re being funny? With that pig website that thinks it’s the bomb because it’s the edgeeeee?? Free fuckin’ speech is one thing, but half-assed finely-veiled claptrap racism is another. Regardless, you have a right to say it, but expect to be called on it.
Unless, of oourse, a person of color who totally gets a website making fun of people of color would like to correct me.
Uhh, cynn, that website is making fun of white people.
Oh. In that case, I wish to register a PROTEST.
Damn, I am the Fool on the Hill. So, why do white people make fun of themselves?
Why do you assume white people made it?
I like this response in the letters section:
I have heard rumors that the more articulate black folk are actually starting to make inroads with this whole internet thing. Could be some of them were even in on it, seems to me.
PSYCHE!!!
Had you goin’! Admit it!
and the people of no color are?
Personally, I’m medium beige.
White Guilt.
It’s obvious; people of no color are invisible. We need to be be one color in this country. Call it Burnt Orange if you want. Or “flesh,” which was done away with by Crayola.
Arabs think Arabs are white and Caucasians are red.
The Chinese think the Chinese are white and Caucasians are graveyard grey.
I avoid beaches.
Myst be why we get away with everything.
To cope with being oppressed, of course!
I believe the official term is “People of Pallorâ„¢”
I am going to use that at the bar tomorrow night.
White guilt my ass. White people make fun of themselves because it’s the only ethnic group they’re publicly allowed to make fun of. Period.
Like I said.
Thanks for expressing that fresh opinion. Most wouldn’t, I’ll bet.
I am wounded to the quick. And deservedly so, apparently.
So mmmmf to you.