Things got really heated when Cornyn accused McCain of being too busy campaigning for president to take part in the negotiations, which have gone on for months behind closed doors. “Wait a second here,” Cornyn said to McCain. “I’ve been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You’re out of line.”
McCain, a former Navy pilot, then used language more accustomed to sailors (not to mention the current vice president, who made news a few years back after a verbal encounter with Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont).
“[Expletive] you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room,” shouted McCain at Cornyn. McCain helped craft a bill in 2006 that passed the Senate but couldn’t be compromised with a House bill that was much tougher on illegal immigrants.
Who knew that language could be accustomed?
My associations with chickens is not extensive enough to know what that particular curse word could be.
Dumbclucker.
Maybe he called him a “cocksucker,” which as everyone knows, refers to eating the skin off all the pieces in a bucket of KFC.
I can’t think of a worse epithet.
It would be more accurate to say that the word is associated with chicken excrement. Fecal matter, to be even more precise.
Doesn’t really matter what he called him.
With this issue, McCain is done. It’s just that no one has told him yet. Poor bastard.
Parachuting in? Nice one.
McCain still has 18 months to go if he wants to become president, and he’s already winded. So of course he gets cranky if his tapioca isn’t exactly to his liking.
McCain got cranky when he could not express his inner liberal.
McCain: dedicated to restrictions on political speech and enabling internationalist billionaires to disguise their donations since 2002.
Note to McCain:If your goal is to burnish your conservative credentials beyond abortion gladhanding Arlen Spector and George Soros may not be a winning strategy.
Trust me, I have mad instincts in this area.
Mr. Thompson … Pageing Mr. Fred Thompson…Please report to the Republican party…
All true, guys, but consider this: at least the guy was willing to defend himself. Considering the number of Republican politicians who have rolled over and whined every time a Democrat says “Bad! No biscuit!”, it’s at least a hopeful sign.
That being said, I’ve never quite understood McCain’s appeal. Maybe it’s just me, listening to voices from the past…
In July 1967, an armed rocket fell off an airplane and exploded on the deck of USS Forrestal, causing lots of casualties and major damage to the ship. The pilot at the controls of the aircraft in question was CDR (IIRC) John McCain, USN. There was, of course, a major investigation, and a (safely dead) sailor was eventually identified as the culprit—but bomb-racks do not open themselves as a rule, and I will always suspect fat fingers in the cockpit and subsequent efforts to cover the officer’s ass, so I don’t think I could ever bring myself to vote for the guy. If other people disagree, I’m willing to go along—I don’t think the guy’s anywhere near the bloviating empty suit Kerry (e.g.) is—but he’ll always get minimum high regards from me.
Regards,
Ric
Heh. I always appreciate an elegantly delivered left backhand.
Waitaminute Ric, you say that as if the guy’s dad was an admiral or something.
Agree, he’s not.
Actually, as empty a suit as Kerry is, I still don’t think he hold’s a candle to Edwards. Kerry’s “pros” compared to Edwards:
1. Kerry proved that he was willling to at least take some action of some sort, so he did in fact serve in Vietnam.
2. Kerry can actually win his home state, even if it is a Marxist paradise.
3. `Um…I think that’s it.
Edwards on the other hand reminds me of a Hollywood Celebrity. He calls OTHERS to sacrifice, OTHERS to take action, but takes none of his own. He wants to take money from OTHERS to give to OTHERS, but lives in a mansion himself and doesn’t get his haircut at the local barbershop. Additionally, there’s no way in hell Edwards could have won another term in North Carolina and he knew it. He MIGHT have won Chapel Hill, but that’s pretty much it.
This description fits almost any elistist leftist Democrat. Kennedy. Kerry. Edwards. Pelosi. Clinton. The certified malicious liar Al Sharpton. Jesse Jackson.
SGT, your other points are well taken, but
always makes me see red.
Kerry did not “go to Viet Nam”. He volunteered, as a Reservist, to do active duty, and got sent to Hawai’i, where he established that he’s a medium-good marina manager (if he doesn’t have to pay the bills) and excellent all-round boat bum. When that started to pall on his superiors, he volunteered for a tour of duty with a group that, at the time, had no purpose except to justify pork for a particular Congressman’s pet boat builder, and consequently spent their time boat-bumming around in the warm tropical sun, occasionally indulging themselves in fireworks displays. Midway through the transfer process Kerry discovered, to his dismay, that this ideal venue for displaying his talents was going to be sent where somebody might, you know, actually shoot at them, and when he got there he started moving Heaven, Earth, and all of the political establishment he could reach to get out, at which he succeeded in world-record time.
I’ve got more respect for Gore, who did actually volunteer to get in-country, for all he knew that he’d be safely isolated in his quasi-journalist job.
Regards,
Ric
You mean to tell me that Cornyn and McCain both wanted to be associated with this bill?
What’s the current rate per letter (in pesos, of course) on the GOP epitaph?
When the Republicans lost their Senate majority, what Senator McCain didn’t do was ask, “What can I do to help fix this?”
If he were to become president, Janet Napolitano would get to select the Republican she felt would “best” be able to represent the state. She would surely choose someone who would be in a strong position to defend the seat for the Republicans in 2010, yes?
Much like the hooker who embosses ”specializing in anal” on her business card, John McCain has internalized the idea that his destiny is to become a president that works well with a Democratic Congressional majority.
In McCain’s defense <wince>, he wasn’t at the controls of the plane that started the chain of events. A rocket fired prematurely from another plane, and because of the fire caused by the missile, a bomb under LCDR McCain’s plane exploded. At least, that was the explanation from one of those edutainment-channel “Seconds from Disaster” type shows (may have been that actual show but I don’t remember for sure). I’ll admit I was surprised the program didn’t make more out of McCain’s connection to the disaster; I remember hearing his name mentioned but it went by just like that and I don’t remember hearing any more about him.
Anyway, as far as I’m concerned, unless McCain tries to make his Vietnam service the centerpiece of his campaign, I’d rather concern myself with his political career. A quarter-century in the Senate should tell us a hell of a lot more about what kind of president he would make if elected in 2008.
I never killed any US sailors either. That doesn’t make me a good person.
Sadly for McCain… it does.
Did you ever say a word so much that it stops sounding like English? Is there a name for a comparable phenomenon for past events, such that when you think back to them it’s like they never really happened? Does anyone else find it slightly surreal that frickin’ John Kerry was a Presidential candidate three years ago? My brain actually jogged sideways when I read the above quote, and I had to think for a few seconds to remember that it wasn’t part of some sort of crazy dream. I need more coffee.
“Botched joke” is dazzlingly metaphorical.
I agree wholeheartedly. Perhaps I wasn’t clear; I’m well aware that I’m not rational on the subject. There it is, though. If you folks like McCain I’m willing to go along with the gag, but I’ll stay home or vote for a third-party candidate. Fair enough?
Regards,
Ric
I will vote for him if he’s the nominee but it will make me feel dirty.
In 1980 I voted Libertarian for president because I thought Ronald Reagan was a liar (he had promised to balance the budget, HAH!) and I knew Carter was a stupid lying idiot liberal asswipe shit-eating knuckle-dragging fucknose Communist-dick sucking terrorist-hugging spermwad. Reagan won by a landslide, the federal deficit became huge because Reagan would not stand up to the Democrat Congress spendthrifts, but we all found out that deficits don’t matter. I voted for Reagan in 1984.
But I will never vote for Mccain, simply because of his desire to stifle political speech rights (McCain-Feingold). And I’ve been personally attacked for that conviction here at PW, not a big deal. What if we have a lib in the White House in 2009? We may need it to purge the crap out of the federal government, eh?
Sometimes shit cannot be avoided, if only because no alternative is possible.
Not me. I’m a reformed McCain fan, but I’ll not be staying home if it means handing the Hildebeast the election. McCain on a bad day would still be a better president than anyone the Dems are running. Sometimes ya gotta do things that you’d rather not do for the good of the country. That’s about the way I feel regarding voting for McCain against any of the current crop of Dems.
Can I quote you on that?
I am starting to think that may mean giving the dumb masses four years of Edwards/Clinton/Obama/Bozowhoever. Remember that four years of Carter led to eight years of Reagan and some much needed changes.
Ric, did you by any chance see a couple of weeks ago where another regular and I hijacked the thread (in my own post, yet!) because he took issue with my saying pretty much that same thing about McCain?
In my opinion, we might as well refer to him and Mrs. Bill Clinton as if they were the same, conventional-wisdom-says-they’re-inevitable-anyway entity: Senator McCankle.
I remember.
Still, sitting at home doesn’t feel right. If I wasn’t put on this Earth to vote against Hillary Clinton, what the hell am I doing here?
I have spent better than 30 years voting against sonsabitches. I am tired of it. I ain’t voting again until there is somebody to vote for.
I thought that’s what American Idol was for.
But I’m tired of telling people to not not vote. It’s stale, and it’s really none of my business. Mostly though I think we’re in good shape. McCain is just a scary man people use to frighten their children. No danger of him getting nominated, especially since his bestest media buddies don’t seem to want to play nice with him no more. Lesson: Choose your friends wisely.
That’s just stupid. I don’t know what the hell I was thinking when I wrote that. Democracy is not a day-old donut. It makes NO sense whatsoever, Mr. B Moe sir, to cast an affirmative vote for anyone at any level of the ticket, and then kneecap them by giving them a President Hillary Clinton to work with.
And also, the media landscape is changing entirely too quickly to ground a perception of our polity in a characterization of “dumb masses.” What we have witnessed in the media is a desperate, increasingly shrill screeching of a contrived and enervated, increasingly transparent propaganda organ. Don’t underestimate what an incredibly severe blow the election of any candidate who is to any degree positioned outside the embrace of the media’s agenda would be to these propagandists’ perception of their own influence.
All the more reason to resist the nomination of Sen. McCankle’s Republican incarnation, IFYM.
…which is a dyslexic acronym for “if you ask me.”
I agree on the resist the nomination part, but if we inaugurate anyone who is not a surrender monkey, the Associated Press’ first order of business would be to offer emergency psychological counseling and mandate the removal of all sharp objects from their offices. These AP creatures, these are not silver-lining types.
McGehee—I’m glad you claried that. Otherwise I’d have to track you down for talking that way about my mother…
The point is I very little confidence McCain would be any better. None of the above is a perfectly legitimate choice.
You think McCain is less a media darling and popularity whore than Clinton? I disagree. I would be loath to predict what either one of them might do if elected, and I am not voting for that kind of crap again.
The only way to get better people in office is to stop voting for dicklicks.
What’s so wrong is that if either of them win, the other would remain in the Senate. I wish someone smarter than me would explain in a compelling way why that’s just effed up. Cause it is.
I think I saw somewhere the other day that McCain had missed 43 straight Senate votes. I have a strong resentment toward those who refuse to resign their current position while making a Presidential run. That seems profoundly dishonest and irresponsible to me.
Politics is just not that important to me. I can be rational about it. I can look at two bad choices and figure out which one is worse. McGeehee plays the little “just as bad as the other” game but he can’t back it up. So I stand by my accusation that those of you who say they will never cast a vote for McCain are doing so for emotional reasons. Your decision is based on how it makes you feel.
I’m sure Cynn will be glad for the company.
Actually though, McGeehee was right. McCain doesn’t have much chance of ever being president. Especially if you fucking morons will vote in your Republican primary next year. Oh, and those of you who are not fucking morons probably should vote then too.
tw: below55. Right, in a school zone.
His political decisions and unpredictability make me mad, so I suppose you are technically correct.
You never know, your vote might actually matter. The emotion to set against your mad is fear. I’m afraid President Hillary, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid will harm America in ways that cannot easily be fixed. I prefer to not find out just how bad it can get. I will actually vote for someone else who has a chance to win.
So, I will take the pledge*. If Rudy Guliani is the Republican nominee, I will vote for him over Hillary even though his position on abortion is “just as bad” as hers. What about you?
*I know this anonymous pledge is worth the paper its not printed on. I’m still serious.
**Sorry for the extra e in McGehee.
The seas were angry in this thread!
I hear you guys; Ric, BMoe, Geezer, McGehee.
I have no confidence in McCain, think he’s a meddler of the highest order and has pretty much morphed into a wholly self interest talking head. I, too, am deathly tired of holding my nose in a general election and voting for the candidate that makes me gag rather than makes me vomit.
However:
So much of this talk is cheap 1.5 years before the next presidential election. We all know as time gets short the pressure of decisions can change ones tune. This happened to me in 2000 when, depite frevent pledges not to vote for the guy I considered an empty suit and unworthy, the thought of master bloviator and receiver of monk money Gore being president was too overwhelmingly nauseating.
This is the reason I have thrown away 38 years of independance and have registered for the Republican party. I plan, for once, to be very active in the primaries (especially when Arlen Spector is running) and hope to have helped made a difference in the selection process.
Staying home on general election day is simply not an option for me. If (gaia forbid) all of my efforts result in a McCain/Clinton hayride, I’m still going to make a decision to vote for McCain, after which I will curl up in the fetal position and hum Lou Reed tunes for about 3 days. Today I’ll proclaim for all to hear that I would never vote for McCain, but my dirty little secret is that, come that day, I won’t leave that box blank and I’m more concerned than I have ever been about the dangers for this country if a Dem is elected President.
Do I feel cheap and dirty? Oh, yea. Feel free to pile on at your collective earliest convenience.
I just am unconvinced McCain would be better, his seeming lack of core principles scare me just as much as Hillary. I don’t think we can trust McCain to defy the polls and stay the course once elected, and I don’t think the leftards can trust Hillary to risk her legacy by leaving the Middle East to chaos. I gotta believe Hill’s biggest fear as the first woman President would be being perceived as weak, who knows what she might actually do? I feel a vote for either one of those two in particular would be a vote for the complete unknown, so why bother? I would vote for Guilliani in a heartbeat, and would probably support most of the other Republican candidateds, but not McCain.
I’m going to vote, of course, so I can spend the next 4 years bitching about whoever wins.