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I don’t see the point of this article, except as an indication that Jules Crittenden is still pissed off about World War Two.
I think it would be a little surreal if the German government apologizes to Al Sharpton, but, whatever.
Das,
Wegen des Heucheleien!!!ein!!
I agree with Steve. Obviously the greatest threat to all of Europe is the potty-mouthed African-American male. The infidel German Army is more than justified in preparing for it.
Of course we understand war. Look what we did to Germany and Japan. That wasn’t an accident caused by a big clumsy America blundering about with its Big Mac and Super-sized Coke; that was a deliberate, organized, systematically applied beat-down, curb-stomping, and all-around thrashing designed to drain all the Prussian we could from the German character, and all the Bushido we could from the Japanese.
Don’t understand war? Ha! We invented Total War!
I think we need about 50 years of good old-fashioned isolationism, myself. Get all of our troops out of countries like Germany, Japan and Korea and tend to affairs at home. Fix stuff up, build a nice border fence or two, spend the money on Americans for a while instead of subsidizing countries that hate our fucking guts.
If there’s another European war? Fix it yourselves, the debt is paid. Lafayette, go fuck yourself.
I’m in a bad mood, as you might guess.
*laughs*
You mean perfected it.
The Germans were the ones who bombed Guernica, the French government from the Directory were the first to organize a nation’s entire economy for war, our only early contribution was the machine gun and railway. It took the Germans and French in World War to industrialize killing and the Nazi introduced massed civilian death to the equation in the Battle of Britain and in Russia.
We just showed them the RIGHT way to wage total war.
Of course, I blame Chingis Khan.
The Old World gave us Total War, but it was up the New World to perfect it.
”…WILL YOU YIELD, and this avoid?
Or, arrogant in defense, be thus destroyed?”
— Henry V
Old Will had a way with couplets.
I don’t think Crittendon is pissed off at the Germans. I think he’s just pointing out that they’re showing their asses. Again.
Interesting to some very minor degree to see where jihadi boy landed though.
What I don’t get is why if one does something “racist”, one has to apolgize to Al Sharpton on the behalf of all black people.
Personally, if I go all racist on something I’m apologizing to Maya Angelou. After all, she speaks 6 languages. Al would have to get a interperator, whereas Maya could skewer me in Arabic in 5-7-5 haiku.
If you’re go go, go with style.
It’s worse than that—the Germans are PC pussies! Hell, they have forces in Afghanistan and don’t even use the Taliban as target practice. They don’t even swear in their own language!
. . . another example of the softening of the West.
Well, apparently I need to send my apologies off to someone. A comment from here sent someone after me on my blog. Neoconstinks wrote:
carin, you’re a terrible racist, as evidenced by your posts on PW. Will you please confine yourself to your home blog and save me the trouble of your hatred for everyone who is not white?
So, to whome do I direct my apology? Of course, I could just go door-to-door on my block and beg forgiveness from all my non-white neighbors (that’s about 85% of ‘em) , who I must hate.
Did Kelly tell you to say that, timmy?
Yeah, right.
Carin —
I think timmyb is the artist formerly known as neoconsstink.
Or am I misremembering, timmy?
Incidentally, I take to be the meat of Jules’ post the following, which perhaps we can use as a prompt for further discussion:
Yes, that’s the fellow. But it’s OK- apparently he was told to do it by “Kelly”.
We just turned them into PC racists.
Actually, I think the Germans would limit their racial-baiting (of blacks) to American-blacks. It merely piggy-backs on their hatred of anything American. And, if prodded, they would blame all American blacks problems promptly on the feet on the decades of oppression, bla bla bla, so they would actually be pretty well aligned with Jess and Al.
No, Steve, I don’t think any of that says he’s pissed off at the Germans in the way you inferred in the first comment of this thread. He’s pointing out the contradictions in their society. I don’t get any sense that’s he’s pissed at them.
LOL…So neoconsstinks, who had NO backbone, much less brains, to begin with, changed his name to the even more age appropriate, timmyb? Wow, how truly pathetic to be such a spineless dope.
What is it with reactionary leftists and their ignorance of history?
Mikey NTH said
But of course timmah never heard of Ulysess S. Grant or William T. Sherman.
Idiot.
I, too, am intrigued about this puppetmistress “Kelly.” Who does she control? Who does she work for? Is her workspace artfully lit, so that she is draped in shadows? Does she let out a hearty “BWAHAHAHAHAHA!” whenever she gives one of her minions his/her marching orders?
I would argue that the name change is overwhelmingly the most interesting thing about this character and his “arguments.”
No, timmyb.
I was thinking of “Sherman’s March to the Sea” with his encore performance in the Carolina’s.
Surely, those of us in the South can speak on the horrors of war? Or is that a load of bunk?
You aren’t permitted Techie. While you had war inflicted on you by Americans you are also Americans; and to make it worse, you are the ‘really bad kind of Americans, the red necked yee-hawing type’.
So no. No love for you in the metanarrative.
I take Jule’s post as being disdainful of Germany’s hypocrisy, Steve. I mean, the title is “PC Racists”….do you think “PC” means “personal computer”?
Let me also note that while my experience is dated, African American soldiers were openly discriminated against in Germany when I was on active duty….including soldiers in my unit.
To me, this video is simply evidence that little has changed there.
The Bronx?
There are parts of New York City I would advise them not to try and invade.
Those Jesuits will kick their asses.
Ahem.
Naw. They’re just still pissed over Jesse Owens.
First, as I noted, Total War, as defined as “a war in which every available weapon is used and the nation’s full financial resources are devoted” was first used in the West by the French in the early 1790’s.
In America we did a fine job with the concept in the Civil War, but I still believe its current useful connotation is the industrial nature of war. Still, I think the Mongols deserve credit for the first use. Their entire society was devoted to war and, when they marched to sea, they went for the Yellow Sea to the Med.
That is semantics, however, Mikey. You folks argue over the strangest things.
I’ll agree with the semantics part, timmyb, but Mike made the statement…..and then you started the argument with the response; Mike did not have to accept your assertion at face value, either.
Once again you prove yourself mendacious. Or cursed with a short attention span.
FTR, a few months ago when “neonconsstink” first showed up, I pointed out en passant that his nom de net was “rather grade-schoolish.” He apparently changed his handle to “timmyb.”
I’ll leave it to the reader to decide whether the move resulted in more or less grade-schoolishness.
I’ll also mention that my nom de net may or may not reveal my true chromosomal configuration.
TRJeffS:
It doesn’t matter what I actually say; all that matters is what timmyb wants me to have said.
He isn’t an intentionalist, you see. He ignored the clarifying remarks about Sherman and Grant from N.O’Brain and myself and continued to stick with his Guernica (a single air raid) and the French Revolution/Napoleonic Wars. Neither of those examples saw the full might of an industrialized state applied in the field to war, and applied beyond the battlefield to the civilian population that supported the field.
That is Total War – the mobilizing of the strength of the society and applying it, in Clauswitzian fashion, to the society of the enemy. Sherman applied Total War to the extent he could – the reach of his army. Phil Sheridan applied Total War to the Shenandoah Valley. When Sheridan was done a crow would have had to carry it’s own rations to cross the valley, the former breadbasket of the Confederacy.
We took Sherman and ramped him up using B-17s and B-24’s (and the British used Lancasters and Halifaxes). But we took Total War, Industrial War and took it to its conclusion. We truly invented Total War against the Totality of the Enemy – everything that was enemy we struck and destroyed LeMay’s bombing campaign against Japan slowed before Hiroshima because there were too few population centers of any size worth sending a flight of B-29s after.
If Lee had not been cornered at Appomattox, if he did not decide to surrender there and the remaining Confederate field forces surrendering thereafter (and honoring that surrender), if there had been a guerrila war against the Union – Sherman and Sheridan’s tactics of Total War would have been applied throughout the Confederacy and that land would still be recovering from that.
Others may have invented parts of Total War, but we put the whole package together and applied it in its Totality. We invented Total War.
Saruman: “We shall drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc.” Pikers. Sherman, Sheridan, and LeMay would have caused Saruman and Sauron to soil their knickers.
Dear Kelly:
With respect to neoconsstink, aka timmyb, the name may change but the smell remains the same.
VTY,
Mikey NTH
BTW:
Guernica was a raid, an old type of combat where a light cavalry unit would plunge into enemy territory, disrupt, kill, and destroy, and then retreat. There is nothing sustained about a raid.
What Sherman and Sheridan did in the 1860’s, what LeMay and Arnold and Harris did in WWII, were more than raids. They were sustained attacks. The next day, the next night would bring another attack. This was no light cavalry ‘plunge and plunder’. They dominated the air over the enemy, dominated a part of his territory. His defenders shot back or sortied to engage, but the allies would be back. A big difference.
True enough, Mike. That doesn’t make timmyb honest, however. He makes a conscious decision to ignore what truly occurred, and that makes him mendacious.
FWIW, I agree with your analysis concerning Total War. Others may have toyed with the concept; we created it.
timmy,
I might suggest looking up a copy of Russell Weigley’s “The American Way of War” – he goes into quite a bit of what you and the others here have been going back and forth about.
Thus ends my library notes for the night.
Oh, and I have noticed a bit of a decline in mein Kameraden in the Bundeswehr…stilltechnically cometant, but softer. Strange to think of German soldiers as very much clinging to comforts. Their patrols around the Surobi Dam were…interesting. Unimaginative and very 9-5. Sigh.
I see my typing abilities have not recovered…
Major John:
Though only being a student of military history (non-professional – never was in the active services) I would wager that an ‘Uncle Billy’ being loose in the mideast or central asia would be a headturner for all the inhabitants. On the line of ‘Are you sure he’s an American?’
State would have a stroke. (Probably to our benefit).
Oh, and I have glance at the book, Major John, but never did get it into my hands long enough to read it cover-to-cover. I’ll order it from Amazon tomorrow.
Another good book is ‘War Plan Orange’, a study of US warplanning against Japan from about 1898 to 1945. Warplanning is something that is always done (what do you think all those people in the five sided funny farm do – other than run receipts and requests?). Sometimes the planning is very good – sometimes it is atrocious, but it is a constant.
Which has nothing to do with the topic of the thread! Blast you timmyb for getting me off of the thread which was, as Major John reminded me, a Bundeswehr video and J. Crittenden’s criticism of it.
So, hip-hop Americans are your true enemy and your greatest threat, eh, Fritz?
Must be lucky to be you, then. Carry on Franzois.
How very…European.
Two numbers to consider:
735
8
The first is the number of U.S. military aircraft involved in the Kosovo operation.
The second is the number the Germans could muster.
No. Kidding.
(Kelly, I bow in your general direction. Here I thought you were some sort of rascal, guiding our young vandal in more acute wingnut baiting, and you were actually just whapping the carpet-ruining puppy with a rolled-up newspaper. My apologies, good sir or madame.)
Rolling back to on-topic, a friend of mine was in the Army in the mid-80s, and recalled joint training exercises with the Krauts. He said that the ones he was working with seemed to be some serious badasses. Apparently the past 20 years have seen standards shift.
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COTTONHAWK!
I think, when it comes to our discussion of total war and what not, that there’s one excellent example of total war to be had here, so as to smack timmyb around like the whiny bitch he is.
Of the entire Japanese naval force that attacked Pearl Harbor, only one ship was left afloat by the end of the war in August of 1945. And we probably would have gotten that one had the war continued for a few weeks more.
NOW that’s total war. That example never fails to leave me in awe of the power of the American military and the American people.
The former, yes. The latter, yes–until their self-involved kids started smoking dope and believing what their idiot friends and college professors were telling them.
And, seriously, kids, don’t trust anyone over 50.
(Unless they’re willing to sign an affadavit that they voted for Reagan.)
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on 04/17 at 10:38 PM
Well, one of the books I’m reading right now is
Miracle at Midway by Gordon W. Prange, Donald M. Goldstein, and Katherine V. Dillon.
If you haven’t read it, it’s a good one.
I did a paper on Midway in high school, and got a mark of 120 out of a possible 100.
Christian Brothers are weird that way.
Also on my reading list: How Far From Austerlitz?
Napoleon 1805-1815
By Alister Horne.
Yesterday I picked up We Were Soldiers Once…And Young by Lt. Gen Hal Moore.
Uh-oh.
I’m Class of ‘80, CBHS in Sacramento. You?
N. O’Brain, that book on Austerlitz is a fine book. I like Horne.
Regarding Total war, I wouldn’t want to claim credit for something so vile. It’s like taking credit for creating the machine gun, barbed wire, and the atomic bomb…oops, that was us again.
If Clausewitz wrote about Total War, did he write after a) the Napoleonic Wars or b) the American Civil War?
Lastly, I cited Guernica as an example of the integration of air power to attack civilian populations. If you don’t think Rotterdam, Guernica, and London raised the threshold of violence, then you don’t know anything.
I mean, if you want to place credit for the murder of millions of civilians on the twisted minds of LeMay and Harris, you can. I would rather not.
Then don’t.
The total number of people here who give a fuck how you feel about reality, is one. And if you leave, it will be zero.