Brit Hume has the temerity to suggest that Valerie Plame lied under oath. She did, of course. So John Amato says:
I was waiting for this: Hume says Plame lied under oath
HUME: And the other thing that needs to be noted here is when she says that she had nothing to do with getting her husband the trip, that flies in the face of the evidence adduced by the Senate Intelligence Committee whose findings were released not on a partisan basis  the bipartisan findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was that she very much did have something to do with it, that she recommended him and that she put it in a memo.
WALLACE: So she was lying under oath?
HUME: I think that there is reason to question her credibility on that point. (h/t TP for the transcript)
Telling an unwanted truth about someone with whom they sympathize is, in the new leftie parlance, a smear.
Oh, my! At least he didn’t go so far as to quote her verbatim.
I thought exactly the same thing when I first read her testimony. Pity there were no Republicans there to point out her perjury.
Of course it’s a smear, Dan. St. Valerie has never told a lie in her entire life. You must be one of those nasty VRWC types that Mrs. Clinton warned us about. You probably believe that President Clinton lied too. Tell me, it’s true, isn’t it? You believe that President Clinton used that sweet yound intern that he was counseling as a humidor, don’t you?
Seriously, how could anyone question the honesty of a spy?
I have never understood why this story has grown enough legs to become a roaring centipede. What possible political value is there in trying to discredit a critic by outing his wife? Can someone enlighten me here? Joe Wilson’s words stand or fall on their own merit.
This is a manufactured crisis; I simply can’t determine who stands to benefit. Another example of the Dems squandering valuable time by rolling in a haystack with no needle.
Well then, she will certainly be contacted shortly for a grand jury hearing. It should be very easy to prove she was lying!
Especially a WMD spy who believed (and obviously convinced her hubby to believe) that Iraq had WMD. Yeah, how could someone like that lie?
Those sounds you hear are lefties’ heads exploding.
Think Progress’ argument that Plame was not lying is is to quote Plame. Is s/he serious? Thats like saying OJ didn’t do it because, well, because he said so.
My head is exploding because the Plame-Wilsons are looking for their day in the sun, and we, with our oh gosh sense of news, are accommodating them. They are a diversion.
Nope. This is it. The Copperhead wing has promised show trials for two years. The Reps will show their respect for the Copperheads by having the ranking member accompanied by one (1) other member attend.
The ranking member will eviscerate whatever idiot the Copperheads put on for their “prosecution” farce.
Look it up in Nostrildamus if you don’t believe me. It’s been foretold.
Actually, they were looking to take down a sitting president and replace him with John Kerry.
Pablo, if you’re right, that’s tha most half-assed and transparent attempt I have ever seen. Get a grip. Who’s that dumb?
Let me reword that: No way Pablo is right.
Do the names Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, and Bill Burkett mean anything to you? They are calling in right now to contest your claim that Wilson and Plame’s attempt was “the most half-assed and transparent” you’ve ever seen.
Hey cynn, remember when damned near everyone in the White House was going to jail?
2004, IIRC. Who was it that Joe Wilson was “advising” then? The name is on the tip of my tongue…
MGehee, there are more serious situations, beyond newsreaders, that face all of us. The Plame crap never engaged me. Yah, all of the pillars of the lefty news monolith can bring to bear their mighty pounding force, and crush all dissent, but we all have to wake up in the morning and think for ourselves.
BTW, cynn, do you really think this whole scam was concocted because the Wilsons were attention starved?
It’s a bookseller, that’s all I’ll say.
The “Plame crap” engaged me only to the extent that it was, as cynn said, based on profound mental retardation and poor critical thinking skills. Nobody has yet explained, and all of the battle participants have unfortunately bought into, the claim that there was some sort of revenge being taken on Lyin’ Joe Wilson.
All along, the only “revenge” attempted was to rebut his pompous mendacity. As we’ve learned over the last 6+ years, to even attempt rebuttal of such lies is not allowed. Absolute moral authority, thy logo is a Donkey.
Oh, and the folks who are still exercised about Wilson on the left? They don’t know, or won’t admit, that he’s thoroughly discredited, and that Bush’s famous “16 words” were not only (and remain) completely true, there was nothing Joe could have done or said to prove them false. Re-read them, if you don’t believe me.
Such is the state of political discourse that many of us sieze on firecrackers, shiny balls, and bullshit to occupy our minds between federal elections.
Well, I’m not sure what Patton or anyone else means, and I’m glad about that.
Sorry – didn’t mean to be obtuse. To simplify: I agreed with you completely. Or thought I had.
On closer inspection, well done, Patton. You just talk funny.
Any chance of talking Al Gore into a similar posture?
Ditto Lurch and the Mrs.
All I want is a press corps that will tear at each other’s throats when they catch each other lying or supporting a political agenda by mis-stating or hiding facts.
Is a little blood-lust too much to ask from these people?!?!
I mean, come on, look how they slather and drool when Republicans use a bad word or misplace a comma somewhere. Just apply a universal standard.
I mean, yes, obviously, it is too much to ask.
I just hope they consider the consequences of drawing the curtains over the Plame/Wilson lies and agenda. It’s always the cover-up that gets you.
Don’t dodge the point, Cynn, please. Pablo wrote:
And you responded, ultimately with:
But he is.
Let me clarify the question for cynn, because I think some poeple are talking past each other here.
Did Plame/Wilson want Kerry or Bush to be President after 2004?
Were Plame/Wilson aware of where they were placing their political support when they signed onto one campaign and attacked the other?
Do you think Plame/Wilson are at least as capable of lame, half-assed efforts to unseat a President as Dan Rather was?
Do you remember the 2004 elections? The string of anti-bush “revelations,” from TANG to Plame to the year-old “missing ordnance” footage?
Except the ordinance was missing and the administration did out Valerie Plame.
Cynn, if you’re still there, the reason Plame’s identity was exposed is because Wilson claimed in his Op-ed that he was sent to Niger by the CIA on the orders of Cheney’s office. Cheney was surprised by this, since he had never sent him. The Senate Intelligence Committee found that the VP’s office asked the CIA to look into it and they “looked into it” by sending Wilson to Niger.
Wilson assumed Cheney knew. Cheney assumed Wilson got the job because his wife was a CIA operative and the CIA was against him and the war. The point of revealing it is to say “we didn’t send him.”
See the facts of the Niger story are a little uncomfortable and only regular PW posters, Pat Robert (Sen from Kansas) and Christopher Hitchens still believe it. (Humorously, above you will find PW posters claiming the 16 words were all true…they should have told the White House, because the White House already apologized for putting it in the State of the Union). First, the Iraqis and Nigerians who met claim they did not talk about uranium. And why would they, since Iraq had 500 tons of yellowcake already in their country. Their problem wasn’t uranium, folks, it was centrifuges and the sanctions/inspections prevented them from being able to enrich the uranium.
The Bushies were wrong and they struck back by trying to discredit Wilson. They broke no laws, according to Patrick Fitzgerald. But, morally, by exposing and undercover or covert agent (depends who you listen to), they compromised their country’s WMD investigations. All because none of them bothered to check whether her identity was classified.
And, if missing a huge detail like that seems familiar, it’s because they are a bunch of bungling clowns, who scheme constantly about ways to get elected, instead of ways to govern.
P.S. It’s debated here because it’s fait accompli with everyone who matters except the war party and Britt Hume (rodeo clown to the stars).
timmyb: um, let’s do a little Q&A about the “them” you refer to over and over again.
Q: Who is Richard Armitage?
I’ll let you have the A.
timmyb:
The infamous sixteen words were these:
The British government stands by what it reported, and the details can be found at FactCheck.
From the Butler Report:
Based, at a minimum, on the words themselves, the sixteen words were absolutely true. And the intelligence behind the report of the British government is “accepted by all parties”. Except you, apparently.
Timmy: What are those 16 words?
Something about the British Government saying that they’d gotten intelligence that Iraq was attempting to purchase Uranium in Africa?
The British Government (see the Butler Report) still stands by that, to this day, and no evidence has been forthcoming that it’s in any way false. (And of course, see the Senate Select Subcomittee report for why Wilson’s own reporting from Niger supported it…)
That the Administration “apologized” for saying something absolutely true doesn’t make it false; it makes the apology politically convenient.
timmyb is back! Partially sourced and mostly wrong, as usual, but still fighting the fair fight against the ‘thugs and incompetants in the McChimpy Fascist Burton administration.
Where ya been timbo? BRC and I are just itchin’ for another cage match.
Richard Armitage had a White House office? Who knew?
McGehee;
Didn’t they give Armitage the old travel office documents storage room?
*sigh* If only those walls could talk…
Sigivald,
The White House never apologized for putting the 16 word phrase in the State of the Union as timmyb claims. They’ve actually been quite adamant about standing behind it.
So…Didn’t. Nope. Huh? What?!?! When the hell did THAT happen?…all apply.
I’ve been through this argument before. Many times before. In the end all I get is sputtering accusations of spouting Republican talking points. This after I rubbed the nose of my cubefarm moonbat in the page of the NIE saying that Wilson findings supported CIA facts. No wining with these folks
Oh and by the way – does Timmy also support Valerie’s assertion that she didn;t put her husband forward to her boss for the trip? Because, now the 2002 NIE, and Robb Silverman Reports are the liars, if thats true. And if thats true then – nothing is true.
Old Texas Turkey–
I hate to go off topic on my own thread, but with a handle like that, I’m hoping you can donate a grill recipe to the previous thread.
I believe Wilson thought he would become Kerry’s Sec. of State.
To join the movement, keep pointing out how left the Macaca Media is. Don’t let a day go by without painting them COMMY. Time will paint them in a corner from which they can’t escape and the end of media bullshit will finally arrive.
Little timmy dump and run is back? Oh, joy.