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Knowing when to quit [Dan Collins]

Knowing when to quit

Heh.  Maybe you can change your name to . . .  I dunno . . . Jamil Hussein.

Any of you interested in helping me found justgetthefuckoveritalready.org, please email.

Here are the final two paragraphs of the Salon article noted by rightwingsparkle:

Leading the charge against Marcotte—and to a lesser extent McEwan—have been bloggers like the National Review’s Kathryn Jean Lopez and Michelle Malkin. Malkin originally accused Marcotte of trying to scrub Pandagon’s archives of material that could be embarrassing to the Edwards campaign. When that proved untrue, Malkin posted a correction, but said that the fact that she had been wrong was “even worse for the Edwards campaign” because “its blogmaster left crackpot posts like that one up and hired her anyway.”

Malkin, it should be noted, is hardly innocent of being involved with what ABC News’ Terry Moran termed “hate speech” when applied to Marcotte. Malkin has long maintained ties to VDARE, a Web site tagged as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center that has published works by people like Jared Taylor, one of America’s leading white supremacists, and Sam Francis, who was fired by the conservative Washington Times for his own white supremacist remarks, given at a conference held by Taylor’s organization. The liberal press watchdog Media Matters has also noted Donohue’s long list of controversial statements.

They disingenuously suggest that because Malkin was wrong about the Katrina post, she was wrong about Duke.  As far as VDare goes–I don’t know.  When justgetthefuckoveritalready.org gets up and running, perhaps we’ll just “name” some hate groups, like, maybe, NOW.

I have to go teach.  This ought to keep the little bastards busy.

46 Replies to “Knowing when to quit [Dan Collins]”

  1. Gray says:

    So what happened?  Did the Edwards campaign perform a blogger abortion?

  2. This comment was left at HotAir:

    Edwards campaign fires bloggers

    Salon ^ | Feb 7, 2007

    The right-wing blogosphere has gotten its scalps — John Edwards has fired the two controversial bloggers he recently hired to do liberal blogger outreach, Salon has learned.

    The bloggers, Amanda Marcotte, formerly of Pandagon, and Melissa McEwan, of Shakespeare’s Sister, had come under fire from right-wing bloggers for statements they had previously made on their respective blogs. A statement by the Catholic League’s Bill Donohue, which called Marcotte and McEwan “anti-Catholic vulgar trash-talking bigots,” and an accompanying article on the controversy in the New York Times this morning, put extra pressure on the campaign.

    Speculation from sources that the two bloggers might be rehired was bolstered by Jennifer Palmieri, a spokeswoman for the Edwards campaign, who said in an e-mail that she would “caution [Salon] against reporting that they have been fired. We will have something to say later.”

    Mandrake on February 7, 2007 at 2:50 PM

  3. Dan Collins says:

    So, RWS–

    They were fired and might be rehired, but maybe weren’t fired?  That’s informative.

  4. Dan Collins says:

    Hey, Jeff–

    Have you gotten your scalp?  Cuz I haven’t gotten mine . . .

  5. Pablo says:

    I’d rather have the scalps than the sloshy…well, you know. wink

    But the pelts belong to Sister Leonora, no doubt.

  6. rooster says:

    This is great. Just when you think everything has gotten under control, BAM, more carnage.

    Sloshy goodness.

  7. rooster says:

    Beaver pelts?

  8. Defense Guy says:

    In an article about a left wing blogger(s), these paragons of non bias just can’t help but to throw in the obligitory “but the other guys are bad too, so you know, don’t sweat it” comments.

    The most important thing is that nothing is learned from this.  Thank God we have the press to remind us of this.

  9. d says:

    Edwards and the wife are going to have an interesting conversation at the dinner table tonight. You know the table daddy made down at the mill on the one day off he got in thirty years and that now sits square in the middle of their cozy 2200 square foot dining room. I do remember Mrs. Edwards praising the Democratic Underground in the past, and she reads the lefty blogs 24/7 by other accounts, thus if I were to guess, she is the admirer of these two, and she is the one who thought they would be a wonderful addition. Not a question of not being properly vetted, blah, blah, blah. These two are exactly where Mr, or at the very least Mrs. Edwards, is, politically speaking.

  10. Tai Chi Wawa says:

    Beaver pelts?

    No, merkins.  “It’s not a toupee, its a Twipé™.”

  11. McGehee says:

    The right-wing blogosphere has gotten its scalps

    ENOUGH WITH THE BIORHETORIC!

  12. peance says:

    NOW and VDARE? hate groups? This I gotta see.

  13. Stogie says:

    Vdare is considered racist by the Left for printing actual statistics about IQ and how it differs within countries and races.  The Southern Poverty Law Center is a fraud, a leftwing organization that poses as a “racist watchdog” and “expert,” but it has a leftwing agenda.  It often smears conservatives as “racists,” including members of the Minute Men project in Arizona and even David Horowitz for opposing reparations for slaver.  The SPLC has been outed by some responsible liberals for the fraud that it is. 

    As for Jared Taylor, he has publicly stated that he must be a “Yellow Supremacist” because he believes that Asians have the highest overall IQs.

    This is just a bunch of crap, as usual, by the Left, quoting one of their own as if he were some objective expert.  What a laugh.

  14. rooster says:

    clap trap

  15. mojo says:

    Mandy fired??!

    Damn!…

    That Edwards fella must be smarter than I gave him credit for.

    SB: next83

    move along

  16. Karl says:

    Jennifer Palmieri, a spokeswoman for the Edwards campaign, who said in an e-mail that she would “caution [Salon] against reporting that they have been fired. We will have something to say later.”

    Translation:

    “Hey, you’re blowing our chance at having Mandy and Shakes play the martyr card by ‘resigning,’ thereby sacrificing themselves to save the Breck Girl from the eeevil Swift-Boating wingnuts.  WTF, Salon… I thought you were on our side!”

  17. Pablo says:

    Notice that they don’t bother to quote Donahue or Malkin, an tactic that has been the heart of every criticism of Marcotte.

    Could that be because it wouldn’t work?

  18. mojo says:

    The taking of scalps, BTW, was invented by the British, so they’d know how much to pay their “indigenous people” troops for killing Frenchies.

    The French naturally became upset at this and quickly retaliated by paying THEIR injun “troops” to kill and scalp Brit colonists.

    The whole thing later got out of hand when said injuns decided they just plain liked the whole “scalping” idea, pay or not. Kind of as a way of keeping score in the endless tribal wars.

  19. The taking of scalps, BTW, was invented by the British, so they’d know how much to pay their “indigenous people” troops for killing Frenchies.

    No, it wasn’t. It was present in the Americas at least 150 years before Columbus.

    Nothing personal. Just a pet peeve.

  20. BoZ says:

    I don’t see a downside for Edwards here. He wasn’t ever going to be President.

    The point of the campaign’s hirings was to buy the herd. It’s still bought. More so, now, being proxy martyred by the right wing smear machine and all.

    The bloggers were getting tossed once they delivered up their audience’s donations and campaign labor anyway. Only now it’s not Edwards’s doing. Pressures, you know. Scalps.

    It’s become a Party-building exercise.

    Thanks, Jeff!

    (JKLOLetc.)

  21. PMain says:

    To me the bigger issues here are not whether Amanda should have been fired, she should had never been hired in the first place, but what exactly is the fallout going to be in regards to blogging community in general. Will this make most politicians more wary about interacting w/ bloggers or involving their voice in their future campaigns? We all know that the old media will use this to its advantage & hammer the supposedly un-educated or un-indoctrinated Internet based masses – simply out of spite. Could this be the un-intended straw that breaks the camel’s back & be used to justify further limiting or filtering of politically based blogs – another McCain/Feingold if you will? The fallout could well be beyond who is hired or not, but may indeed force bloggers w/ any kind of political aspirations to self-censure themselves for fear of future reprisals.

    I am in no way, condoning Amanda’s hateful, screed filled writings! I am merely expressing possibly concern for the limiting of the most convenient form of free speech ever created. I’m sure I am being more alarmist than realistic, but maybe we should as individuals take a step back & look at what this may lead to in both the positive & negative. But in truth, chances are this is going to do nothing but strengthen the use & publication of blogs – if not bring in more of our fellow citizens out of curiosity – because it shows that once again we police ourselves, both sides, faster & more efficiently then almost all of the old media combined. While the old media may hate us, they are now forced to report on & talk/write/report about little under-developed personalities like Amanda & garner focus on their worse nightmare.

    On the other hand, this could be the beginning of the “outing” of the out-of-control, vitriolic blogs that constitute the majority of the left & some of the right. It also places the unintended spot-light of attention on the tactics & methodology being used by Amanda & her ilk. The real immediate benefit is that Democrats will have to be more careful w/ whom they align themselves, regardless of the amount of easy campaign donations, because any real connection to the “netroots” can also be a very real PR disaster & possibly campaign ender.

  22. mojo says:

    I think it will have the legendary “chilling effect” on candidates hiring bloggers. And I say “good!”, because most bloggers don’t belong anywhere near a serious political campaign.

    I know that if, say, McCain (or his “people”, as they say) had the (truly, amazingly, unbelieveably) bad idea of hiring, say, Ace to run his website I’d have serious doubts about his very sanity and be quite unlikely to vote for him. For anything, dog catcher included. Ace is funny, but he’s a FREAKIN’ NUTZO, baby!

    On the other hand, if a parody site purporting to represent the “Papoon for President” campaign hired Jeff to run their stuff, I’d be there in a heartbeat.

  23. Bill D. Cat says:

    I have a pretty vicious rant … Kerfuffle Watch is looking like pure internet gold .

  24. Dan Collins says:

    I think you’re right, Bill.  Online idiocy, the gift that keeps on giving.

  25. Bill D. Cat says:

    Dan ,

    I’m not kidding …. this spread faster than than a Global Warming Update . Think of the loot man , think of the loot .

  26. rooster says:

    This is the best pointing-and-laughing moment on the web that I can recall in a long time.

    It’s like those ghost-rider guys that end up getting run over.

    I’m surprised it hasn’t hit tradepsorts yet.

  27. B Moe says:

    On the other hand, this could be the beginning of the “outing” of the out-of-control, vitriolic blogs that constitute the majority of the left & some of the right. It also places the unintended spot-light of attention on the tactics & methodology being used by Amanda & her ilk.

    Speaking of which.

    This really has been one of the funniest things I think I have ever seen, I really hope Edwards keeps them on.  It’s kind of like LaVerne and Shirley on acid.  (I think JackGoff is auditioning for the role of Squiggy, by the way.)

  28. Q30 says:

    http://feministing.org/?p=154

    Looks like she’s responding in her own words…

  29. Bill D. Cat says:

    Think Kerfuffle Watch Credits Dan .

  30. Dan Collins says:

    Hmmm.  Lay this out for me, Bill.  I’m listening.  You can email me if you like.

  31. Bill D. Cat says:

    With only seven or eight hundred days to go I figure the window’s wide open . I suggest we launder , oops , I mean conduct the monetary transactions through another Authorized Trading Site I hear the United Nations has considerable expertise in endeavours such as this but am wary about their excessive fees . I nominate Kofi as figurehead of this little business venture , unless of course he does something stupid like running a country … you know ….right into the ground .

  32. Dan Collins says:

    Sounding good so far . . .

  33. Bill D. Cat says:

    How exactly does one register a web page ?

  34. Bill D. Cat says:

    Shit ! You already show up on google . Congratulations are in order I guess ….bastard .

  35. Pablo says:

    Oh, lawdy, lawdy!

    Go here and giggle.

    Blackfive’s Uncle Jimbo sows the seeds of discontent to very humorous effect.

  36. Dan Collins says:

    Go here and giggle some more.  Don’t forget to check out the recommended diaries.

    Who shows up where, Bill?

  37. Bill D. Cat says:

    Google Kerfuffle Watch . If you haven’t already got a blog with that name , do so now ,it’s gold I tell ya .

  38. Dan Collins says:

    Bill, I’d do it, but I’m out of scratch just now.  Maybe we could fold it into Jeff’s blog when/if he makes changes after his plate’s a little less full?

  39. Ric Locke says:

    From over at Simberg’s:

    While the first amendment protects your right to be a jerk, well, you’re still a jerk.

    Posted by Phil Fraering at February 7, 2007 11:49 AM

    .sig material.

    Regards,

    Ric

  40. mojo says:

    Your first clue that you’re listening to a moron:

    Glenn Greenwald, as always, hits the mark

    SB: horse41

    (taps fore hoof twice)

    Translation: GET ME A MARE, WILBUR!

  41. B Moe says:

    My God.  I have never really looked around much over at Greenwalds before, I had no idea he was such a lightweight.

  42. mojo says:

    Numero due, Signore Dan!

  43. Daryl Herbert says:

    As for Jared Taylor, he has publicly stated that he must be a “Yellow Supremacist” because he believes that Asians have the highest overall IQs.

    1: only a bigot would refuse to recognize Jewish dominance in raw IQ scores!

    2: it’s possible to be superior in terms of IQ, but still be an inferior person.  I don’t see any reason why that would apply only to individuals and not to groups.  For instance the average I.Q. of university professors is going to be higher than the average I.Q. of Army enlisted men and women.  Jews are often stereotyped as being smart, pushy, greedy, etc.–so the high I.Q. is part of our inferiority

    3: it’s cold comfort to blacks and Mexicans to be told that someone thinks they’re inferior to whites, but that person also considers whites inferior to Asians.

    4: my view is, let’s just agree not to talk about the numbers until genetic engineering gives us the ability to boost everyone’s IQ (at which point all ethnic groups should hopefully achieve relative equality).  Nothing good comes of discussing it, and nothing bad comes from not discussing it (except for the vague, soft irritation that comes from any sanctimonious suppression of speech by priggish censors who declare themselves to be “offended”).

    5: Not talking about it necessarily means denying it.  If you honestly admit to #4, people will just want to argue with you, which necessarily entails discussion.  So the best thing to do is join the priggish censors and profess your offendedness.  Now let us never speak of this again.

  44. Stogie says:

    As for Jared Taylor, he has publicly stated that he must be a “Yellow Supremacist” because he believes that Asians have the highest overall IQs.

    1: only a bigot would refuse to recognize Jewish dominance in raw IQ scores!

    2: it’s possible to be superior in terms of IQ, but still be an inferior person.  I don’t see any reason why that would apply only to individuals and not to groups.  For instance the average I.Q. of university professors is going to be higher than the average I.Q. of Army enlisted men and women.  Jews are often stereotyped as being smart, pushy, greedy, etc.–so the high I.Q. is part of our inferiority

    3: it’s cold comfort to blacks and Mexicans to be told that someone thinks they’re inferior to whites, but that person also considers whites inferior to Asians.

    4: my view is, let’s just agree not to talk about the numbers until genetic engineering gives us the ability to boost everyone’s IQ (at which point all ethnic groups should hopefully achieve relative equality).  Nothing good comes of discussing it, and nothing bad comes from not discussing it (except for the vague, soft irritation that comes from any sanctimonious suppression of speech by priggish censors who declare themselves to be “offended”).

    5: Not talking about it necessarily means denying it.  If you honestly admit to #4, people will just want to argue with you, which necessarily entails discussion.  So the best thing to do is join the priggish censors and profess your offendedness.  Now let us never speak of this again.

    Actually, “The Bell Curve” does mention that Jews have the higest overall IQ at 105, even higher than that of Asians.  Yes, bringing up IQ to your black or hispanic friends might make them feel bad, so I never do.  However, to bury the truth of IQ distribution among races may do more harm than good, especially when evaluating the efficacy of affirmative action and other liberal schemes.  Such schemes are based upon the false premise that lower SAT scores are the result of “past and present discrimination” and not something genetic or organic in the persons with the lower scores. 

    Not understanding this has resulted in millions of dollars wasted on busing and other schemes, resulting in strained race relations and doing absolutely nothing to bring about IQ equality.

    As far as genetic engineering, that would be fine with me if it ever comes about.  I would much prefer it if there were equality of IQ scores amongst all of our citizens, preferably at a high score.  I take no pleasure in the unpleasant facts.

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