From the Daily Mail (UK):
Attacks on Britain’s Jews have risen to the highest level since records began.
A study published today shows the number of reported anti-Semitic incidents has almost tripled in 10 years, with more than half the attacks last year taking place in London.
[…]
The Anti-Semitic Incidents Report 2006, compiled by the Community Security Trust (CST), responsible for combating anti-Semitism in the UK, blames the huge rise on a number of factors ranging from Israel’s invasion of Lebanon last summer to the jailing of the historian David Irving in Austria for denying the Holocaust.
…Because, you see, all Jews supported the Lebanon campaign, just as all Jews support the stifling of free speech and an anti-liberal European culture that seeks to enforce “tolerance”—even if it means the government has to move toward totalitarianism in order to do it.
That’s just how those people are.
Well, maybe not all of them. But at the very least, that’s how the monied ones are, you have to admit…
Mark Gardner, CST spokesman said of the level of hate crimes: “This is unacceptable racism, that many Jews had hoped and believed was a thing of the past.
“Today’s anti-Semitism is a wave of hatred, intimidation and abuse against British Jews, who are stupidly blamed and randomly attacked over international tensions for which they bear no responsibility.”
Of course they don’t. Bush does.
And probably Thatcher.
Blowback. That’s all this is. And really, if you want the cold hard truth, this is what you get when you begin prosecuting illegal wars against Muslims, or begin looking at certain of them askance just because a couple of buildings fell over and some trains got blown up. In short, this is what you get for overreacting to the declaration of war against you by a fringe group of Islamists who have no practical power and very little support among the Muslim population. Is it any wonder, then, that they, or those sympathetic to their plight, will feel compelled to fight back?
Not that we’re condoning violence against Jews, mind you. We’re simply explaining why such violence is practically inevitable in a milieu in which Muslims are ruthlessly victimized (for instance, what’s with this British arrogance about insisting on the primacy of common law over Sharia?)—and describing the kind of desperation and fear born of oppression that causes them to lash out at the dominant class. By attacking an innocent minority.
It is unfortunate, but when you stop to consider how Muslims are treated, you can almost understand it.
Go ahead and blame us for saying so, if you must. But the truth is, that’s just what a fair and dispassionate analysis yields. Root causes and such. Social science.
Pip pip!
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(h/t LGF, via CJ Burch)
Scratch a Muslim, blow up a Jew
Those who are ignorant of history (or dont bloody well care)…… sigh.
The physical descriptions of perpetrators in 205 of the incidents show:
96 by white people
60 by Asians
28 by black people
16 by Arabs
Aaah, social science.
Any ol’ theory will do?
It’s the thought that counts alphie.
What is your point, alphie?
Did I say the attacks were by Arabs?
In fact, you seem to have gotten it exactly backwards.
Instead, my post is hoping to suggest (admittedly, to the undumb) that the kind of reasoning that goes into the above parodied “analysis” opens the door a crack and lets anti-semitism pour forth from all the castle’s dark little rooms.
It prepares the society at large to tolerate (and at times, even tacitly forgive) such scapegoating.
But it’s my fault. I overdid it on the nuance, forgetting that you like to hang out looking for “gotcha” moments.
Alphie, lets not forget that “Asian” includes those of Pakastani origin in the UK, and black can refer to immigrants from Africa. Perhaps “race”, but rather religion, is what you should be looking at.
Seems I remember something like this happening before……
I mean, you do realize I find the kind of analysis I posted silly, right?
The important thing to remember is white people can’t be muslim. They just aren’t funky enough.
So your little ethnic breakdown of the assailants makes exactly what point, alpo?
SHOW DICK SOME RESPECT!
Alphie:
This only goes to show that the only road to lasting peace between Muslim and Jew lies with both the Balloon Fence Missile Shieldâ„¢ and the Mile High Dirt Bermâ„¢.
Your comments? Agree or disagree?
Both the Balloon Fence and MHDB may be impractical for personal use, BJ.
Some “real” science:
112 violent attacks against British Jews
285,000 Jews live in Britain.
http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/uk_jewish_faqs/index.htm
For a violent crime rate of about 39 per 100,000.
Well below America’s average of 469 violent crimes per 100,000:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html
And Britain’s violent crime rate is much higher than America’s
So, don’t panic would be my advice.
Hey, alpo, check this out:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
I got your brown-skinned people right here.
And one cauc.
Of course, but what about as a national defence plan? Is this the framework for a lasting peace?
You suck at math alphie. Thought someone should tell you.
It really is getting kind of scary out there.
I’ve said this before, and will probably say it again.
When I was a kid I just couldn’t conceive of how Germans became Nazis. As much as I try to fight it, I think I am beginning to understand.
I have actually bought some land near Brazilia. That’s how much these people scare me.
The government “of the people” has already started munching on the first amendment (see: McCain-Feingold) and is threatening to take another bite (fairness doctrine).
And it’s the Joooo’s fault! We are not far behind Europe in that regard. I am constantly amazed at the amount of people I run into who run off at the mouth about the Joooos. As if killing all the Joooos would make their crappy, stunted lives any better.
The best part is that these people have no idea that they are branding themselves as morons by bad mouthing any group.
If I am upset with somebody, I don’t bad mouth their ethnicity or “-ism”. If you are an idiot, you are an idiot. It has nothing to do with color or religion. Assholes are assholes is my credo. And, in full disclosure, I am an asshole myself. But I know I am.
I would rather laugh than cry, but lately, it seems to be just plain scary.
Facts and logic are slowly dying, not only in this country, but all over the world. It makes me feel like I did when my mother would yell at me for bullshit reasons, but I was never allowed to say “Bullshit!”.
What is the matter with you people who post at PW? How dare you apply facts and logic to any situation?
Face it. We are quickly becoming dinosaurs. It’s all about how you feel, not what the truth is.
TW: Speaking of zipper48 (Big and Little), anybody else out there know CD?
Of course, as barbie tells us, math IS hard. Although in your case, reading seems to be giving you some difficulty as well.
Jeff,
Whether or not you agree with the criticisms of Israel, do you consider speaking out against that country’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank, Lebanon or the treatment of Arabs in Israel to be anti-semitic?
That’s right alphie, we’re only talking about 112 Jews, after all. No biggie.
If you leave a piece of meat sitting out in the open, is it the cat’s fault for eating it?
This kind of thing wouldn’t happen if the Joos would quit tempting everyone. By, you know, existing.
Especially in light of all that rampant Islamophobia.
SHOW DICK SOME RESPECT!
Ummm… Jeff? Didn’t you mean:
SHOW MY DICK SOME RESPECT?
That’s for sure what I would have said.
If you’re going to completely ignore the causes for such, as your ilk is wont to do, yes.
Pablo,
My ilk? Could you be more specific as to who you include in that category?
Stevie, whether or not you agree with the criticisms of anti-semitism, do you consider that another Kristallnacht is a bad idea?
But what is so scary is that you are able to reproduce the reactionary leftist cant with such accuracy.
tw: you have been served42.
CUT IT OUT, JEFF!
You might want to consider that an unwritten rule of blog courtesy is to actually comment on the substance of the post before introducing a corallary argument.
Jest my 2 cents…
My answer is that it’s difficult to give you a “blanket answer” as it would depend upon the specific circumstances of the criticism.
Slackjaedyokel,
What are the criticisms of anti-semitism?
And Yes, another Kristallnacht is a bad idea.
Jeff,
British anti-semitism is no surprise. While many folks look at Nazi Germany as the apotheosis of anti-semitism (and rightly so), Britain has long been one of the most anti-semitic nations.
Britain has a long history of anti-semitism.
In Britain anti-semitism’s strongest adherents are to be found at the high end of society.
It’s going to get worse all over before it gets better.
BJTexs,
So it would be okay to criticize the actions of the Israeli government and not be considered anti-Semitic in some circumstances?
SteveXX:
Apparently alphie considers any reports of antisemitism on the rise to be greatly exaggerated/not worth worrying about/completely unrelated to the rise of radical Islam in England and the rest of Europe. And from what I gather from your comment, you are saying that critics of Israel’s actions/policies are being unfairly tarred with the brush of antisemitism.
Of course, I can only surmise that’s your point, as you never really, well . . . MAKE a point.
Glad I can put you down as a “No” for KristallnachtII, though.
Tim P,
Many American country clubs still don’t have any black or Jewish members. Country club members are generally Republican supporters. Many Bible belt Christians are quite anti-semitic. They are also generally Republican supporters. This reframing of the Left, which has always had a large Jewish support, as anti-Semitic is specious, really.
What I believe the alfster & steveXX (I never met a rational point, I couldn’t ignore completely) are missing is how many of those attacks were perpetrated by either those on the same political side as our favorite wonder-twins or more specifically, how many of those attacks brought about a gleeful response because it furthers their view of the world, where anyone who sticks up for themselves, w/o seeking their approval or at least the UN’s deserves to be attacked. Look at their defense of anything non-Israeli – Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran & Palestine… & their insistence that the real bad guys are the US, Britain & Israel in the world. It isn’t the fact that the JOOOS have actually bought, improved & defended their land from the real aggressors; it is the fact that they won’t listen to the French on how they should just give it all back & accept random suicide-bombings… I mean surrender as the French have in the Paris Streets.
Care to point me to any one comment made here or anywhere else in the blogsphere where either of you 2 have condemned or questioned the suicide bombings in Israel, the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers from Israeli soil or the targeting of purely civilian targets by Hezbollah? Don’t worry, I already know you haven’t made any, so STFU & go play hippy-contrarian somewhere else or make a legitimate point, because neither has made one yet.
Slackjawyokel,
I think that I do occasionally make a point, so I beg to differ. In this case, I have no canned argument ready. I’m just asking an actual question out of curiosity. What spurred the question was the statement in Jeff’s post (presumably sarcastic):
I just think that subjecting British Jews to one of the lowest violent crime rates in the Western world is…a curious way to express anti-Semitism, sjy.
The trick is to cry wolf when the wolf is actually there.
Or so the story goes.
Of course it is, steve XX and I don’t thnk that Jeff or anybody would say differently.
There is a big “however” attached to that. Strictly from my perspective, Israel starts with a higher balance of consideration that Arabs or Palestinians get. The sole reason for this is that Israel lives surrounded by peoples and nations who have, over the years, stated their express desire to see her destroyed. Several of thos entities have not repudiated this aim and most continue to work against Israel overtly, covertly and via proxy.
I also believe that the diplomatic history of that region has showed, despite Carter’s deplorable attempt to rewrite it, that it is the Arab countries and, largely, the Palestinian authorites who have been the primary impediments to a lasting peace in that region.
Therefore, it is within this contruct that I might be willing to conclude an “intention” of anti semitism if the criticism of Israel is based upon a fanatical liberation theology that only sees the suffering of “Palestine”, blames Israel for all troubles and diplomatic failures and refuses to acknowledge their right to exist.
Steve, I suspect that you and I are going to disagree on this framework, but that’s OK by me.
Irrespective of the cause of rising anti-Semitism in Europe, the question of whether or not Jews want to continue living in Europe, raising children there, contributing economically and culturally, is definitely one that can reasonably be asked, even at the risk of side-stepping an examination of the hypocrisies that riddle European expressions of tolerance. There is a vicious pragmatism at work in Europe, the logic of the path of least resistance … anti-Semitism is finding accomodation. That said, would Jewish emigration be an accomodation or a repudiation?
Your just full of stories Alf. Curious you wouldn’t apply the same argument to healthcare, unless you can find a healthcare system that doesn;t draw solley on tax monies & is reponsive & effective as the American model. Don’t worry, I already know you can’t, unless the citizenry aren’t taxed well over 40-50%+ of their income & it takes weeks to get an non-life threating operation.
Hey, when it gets close to 6 million, then alphie and co will spring into action. Don’t worry.
Gotcha, alphie. I’ll put you down in the “Greatly Exaggerated/Not Worth Worrying About” column.
BTW, was that a “No” on Kristallnacht?
PMain,
I’m against suicide bombings (in Israel or anywhere else) AND I’m against dropping bombs on cities and villages. Are you also against both of these as well?
And alphie, it isn’t the case that 112 Jews just happened to be attacked; it’s that they were attacked because they were Jews. and that these targeted attacks are increasing!
Alphie:
While I know that you aren’t concerned about rising violence against Jews in Europe, what about the civilians, both Arabic and Jewish, that are being killed by missiles and mortars?
Wouldn’t the Balloon Fence Missile Shieldâ„¢ or the Mile High Dirt Bermâ„¢ save countless lives in that region?
This isn’t moral equivalence, right? I mean the Israelis are just dropping those bombs out of sheer evil joy? Right.
You’re so anti-semitic, you don’t even recognize it.
I’m glad you put “real” in quotes. Because you’re comparing apples to kumquats; the violent crime rate is NOT the same as the hate crime rate. The 112 incidents are those specifically noted as “hate crimes”. The most recent numbers I can find give the US count for hate crimes as 7,163.
By my math, that makes the US hate crime rate 2.4 per 100,000 (rounding population to 300 million). That’s ONE SIXTEENTH the rate you calculated.
In other words, the hate crime rate against Jews in Britain is SIXTEEN TIMES HIGHER than the over-all rate in the US. Looking just at Jewish victims in the US (5.3 million, 977 victims) that comes to 18.4/ 100,000. So the rate for British Jews is TWICE the rate for American Jews.
And note that in the US, the nearest total to Jewish victims of hate crimes are Muslims. The suffered 151 attacks; 1/6th the number of attacks on Jews.
So why don’t you run along and play in the street? Adults are talking here.
Here’s alphies low crime rate in action From Daily Mail:
Yeah, it’s not that bad yet, Alphie….
So you were against fighting World War II, Steve? Or would you have preferred we just asked the Germans and Japanese to arm wrestle.
Get with the program, guys.
Neocon fantasy is giving way to Neorealism.
Britain is a very violent society.
Estimates of violent crime per 100,000 per year there are in the 1500-3000 range.
So if a group suffers violent crime at a rate of 39 per 100,000 you can conclude several things about them.
But you can’t conclude they are being subjected to an outbreak of violent crimes against them.
Yeah, Steve XX…. Those jews are real murderers according you you and Hamas….
BJTexs,
I imagine that we will disagree, but as I pointed out in another post, I disagree with the premise that their is some high degree of anti-Semitism driving the criticism of Israel from the left. It is not the left running out to watch the Passion of the Christ or talking about how the Jews killed Christ or how the Jews are going to hell. There is simply far more anti-Semitism coming from the right and has been for decades. This is not to say that no one on the left is anti-Semitic or that everyone on the right is.
I agree that there is a certain amount of criticism of Israel that is rooted in anti-Semitism, but even a lot of that comes from extreme right-wing groups like skinheads and neo-nazis, and klansmen.
Yeah, Alphie–that’s what gun control and confiscation gets you….
Alphie:
You didn’t read Robert’s post which both answered and repudiated your last little tantrum. Pity.
I’m still waiting for a definitve opinion on lasting peace for Israel utilizing the Balloon Fence Missile Shieldâ„¢ or the Mile High Dirt Bermâ„¢.
Hey, alphie! Didn’t you read Crawford’s comment?
Oh, that’s right; it’s only a handful of Jews. No biggie.
Bigoted, much?
Really, Steve, that’s an incredible amount of bigotry you’re showing there. Also an incredible amount of myopia in regards the Left and anti-semitism.
Gray,
I wasn’t referring to the Jews or Israel.
Answer the question, asshole show me where, anywhere, you (& little, pointless alphie too) have publicly commented against any specific attack or bombing. Nice try bringing Iraq into to, unless the anti-Semitism was on the rise in Iraq. Stick to the topic on hand.
My point is you have none. My point is that those generally opposed to the war, don’t have any condemnations either. Read any of the so-called “progressive” blogs & guess what you’ll find, none there as well. Funny how once again you & little pointless alphie are arguing that there isn’t really any anti-Semitism, nor can you show where you have once argued against crimes or attacks that specifically target Jews.
So as I said before, contribute something or STFU & take your little goal post moving, veiled Jewish & American hating, pathetically linear, hippy contrarian points elsewhere, because you are accomplishing nothing here or making anything near the semblance of a point.
Care to prove me wrong, PROVIDE a link, anything else is you losing the argument, again.
So you see, while the rightwingers are claiming the jews are thirsty for childrens’ blood in Purim pastries, we only claim that they are thirsty to spill childrens’ blood in wantonly bombing villages and cities.
It’s completely different.
Robert Crawford,
One of the reasons I rarely engage in discussions about Israel/Palestine is that they quickly devolve into this kind of argument. Do you care to point out what I’ve said that makes me bigoted, or should we just stop having the discussion once it gets to this point?
Oh no, of course not (wink, wink)….
Alphie: read this. The sit down, shut up, and try to learn.
PMain,
I’m not sure how this doesn’t meet your criteria.
Which is really fuckin wierd ‘cuz this wasn’t a discussion about Israel and Palestine. It was about British Jews getting beaten up on British streets.
But the fact that you consider that synonymous with an Israel/Palestine discussion does show that jew bashing and Israel/Palestine discussions are, in fact, one in the same.
Steve XX,
Prior, or can we in like, completey dismiss your arguing that anti-Semitic attacks aren’t rising?
Gray,
It was a reference to our actions in Iraq. Yes, Israel has also bombed cities and villages, but I had Iraq in mind when I posted it (nudge, nudge).
BJ,
Just looking for some consistency here.
112 violent crimes in Britain is cause for a panic.
30,000+ dead Iraqis means things are going just fine.
What are rational people to conclude?
A touch of bias at play here, perhaps?
This has what to do w/ attacks in Britain, again, alf?
I guess you’re right alphie, the rates of jew bashing aren’t high enough yet for anyone peaceful and progressive to care….
Sure:
The bolded part is pure bigotry. I have no idea about the membership of country clubs—and suspect you don’t, either—but know that the “rich Republican” stereotype is pure bigotry. Then there’s the “Bible belters are anti-semites” stereotypes.
How was “Passion of the Christ” anti-semitic? Can you cite any connection between it and anti-semitic hate crimes? Are you aware that modern Christian theology states “we all killed Christ; he died for us, to absolve us of our sins”? And while Mel Gibson is almost certainly an anti-semite, are you aware that in the movie, some of the nails are driven in by his own hand—SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE MODERN THEOLOGY.
Certainly there are “Christian” anti-semites. When a high-profile Christian makes anti-semitic remarks, though, they tend to get pilloried.
Leftists making anti-semitic remarks? Not so much.
PMain,
I am largely, although not purely, a pacifist. I have written against violence of all forms. Are you suggesting that I am saying suicide bombing is wrong just to win an argument?
Alphie, do you wear a weight belt when you’re moving goalposts? You should—wouldn’t want you to get a hernia.
Have you read this yet? Are you going to admit your “science” was BS?
No, he’s suggesting that your bringing up “violence” against Palestinians is rather striking, given that the goddamned subject was violence against Jews in Britain.
Unless you, as a “pacifist” are suggesting that because Israelis try to keep from being shot, stabbed, or blown up by brainwashed Palestinians, that a bit of Jew-bashing in ol’ Blighty is perfectly understandable.
steve xx
Um, steve, you may not know this but I am an Evangelical Christian, I ran out to see the Passion, and I most emphatically resent the implication that those two facts create a steve xx arithmatic that I just might be an anti semite. You, sir, are pushing the borders of religious bigotry, a condition that does exist in fair measure among liberal/progressives. There, hopefully that answered your question about your own bigotry.
Jews lived in peace throughout the 40’s and 50’s in bible belt regions because the vast majority of southern bible belt Christians saw them as kinsman and neighbors. The bad stuff didn’t start against Jews until the heated stages of the Civil Rights movement because Jews had more courage than Evangelicals in standing up for what was right. There are, however, a myriad of stories of southern Christians helping both Blacks and Jews during this time, both overtly and covertly.
I seem to recall a few people who were concerned that Mel’s “Passion” would inflame tensions between Jews and Christians. Do you recall a widespread ramping of violence? You know, burning synagogues, forced conversions, lynchings. No? Me neither.
As far as the country clubs, that issue had been eroding for years. There are also Jewish country clubs (I played at one several years ago in Berks County, PA with my Jewish boss at the time.) Everyone is free to exclude each other or, as is far more common these days, just hang out together without any concerns over race or religion.
I don’t believe that the bulk of the left is anti semitic but neither is the bulk of Christians or Republicans or country club folk. Things have changed over the years, stevo, so the paradigms that existed in the 50’s are no longer the templates for racial and religious purity. A fact that I wish you would impress upon your liberal/progressive friends when they are calling me a ritualist or even mouthing crass assumptions about my attitudes towards race and religion by the self described tenets of my faith.
Oh, that’s right. that’s pretty much exactly what you just did. Shame on you.
Just like racism, Islamophobia, homophobia and others, anti semitism tends to be overused as an attempt to stifle debate. however, I have no problem with yanking that particular name out for those radicalized liberation theology hate mongers on the left who only see the poor, oppressed palestinians and see Israel as the focus of evil in the world.
Except for the US, of course.
Uncovering the unself-realized skin of your own religious bigotry does tend to cause thes discussions to deteriorate. While you contemplate this perhaps you could help us out with alphie’s moronic denial of hate crimes against Jews being much of a problem.
Robert,
I unfortunately grew up in and around the country club set. My Republican parents belong to two still. I have sat in country club locker rooms listening to the members spew racist and anti-Semitic garbage since I was a child. And, yes, many clubs still don’t let in Jews or Blacks (or maybe just one or two). I think it is fair to say that country club members predominantly vote Republican. Is that really even a point of contention?
Between the years 1882 and 1968, there were only 4,700 documented cases of lynching in the USA. Of those, ~3500 were of black people.
That means that there were, on average, 40 blacks lynched per year during that time period (which I guess is when they kept these sorts of records).
Obviously, that wasn’t much of a problem, now was it?
There are plenty of Jews who find the movie antisemitic. You don’t think it’s a bit of a coincidence that Mel Gibson is later spewing an anti-Semitic diatribe?
Time to surrender.
PMain,
I am largely, although not purely, a pacifist. I have written against violence of all forms. Are you suggesting that I am saying suicide bombing is wrong just to win an argument?
No (missing the obvious point made, again), I am pointing out that consistently, your side of the political or philosophical aisle does not recognize any increase in anti-Semitic attacks (hence your comments here today), that you & your side, don’t condemn attacks that are truly racially motivated when it involves Jews (country clubs or Republicans, yes, Jews or Israel no!) & more specifically I am pointing out that once again, both you & the anal-retentive, small print alphie, immediately suggest that the reported rise in the crimes themselves do not exist or count. It is that consistency in which I am pointing out, unless you can provide me a link where you have argued, prior to today, the opposite of what I am pointing out. You can’t or haven’t so far, & like alphie, you have only tried to twist it to be either over-shadowed by Iraq, non-existent or imply that Republicans are the real racists. A consistent & demonstrable failure to recognize or deny attacks on Jews has been proven & you cannot supply a retort or any evidence.
You be logical & tell me what that says about your side or “progressives†in general, or about you & your position. Once again, I suggest reading the more popular & populous “progressive†blogs & show me where my points, directed towards you & “yapplie†are invalidated. Don’t worry, you cannot, however I could easily finds 50 or so that prove my point at MYDD, DKOS, DU, etc, etc w/ little or no effort. That is my point, either you’re horribly ignorant, don’t really care about racism or a closet racist yourself – of course I have only your arguments & lack of proof to affirm it.
Either way you are boring my to tears.
Robert,
I think what he was saying was that attacking Jews in England, for the sole reason that they are Jews, identical to being part of a Coalition to invade a country for the purposes of deposing a crazed dictator who was not only in flagrant violation of a cease-fire, but also in vilolation of any number of UN sanctions. Not to mention being so bat-crazy that there was no way to tell when he would decide to use his persistant support of international terrorism (my favorite example is giving Abu Abbas a place to hide out, but there are others, like bribing hard-luck nutcases into blowing up anybody who happens to be eating at Sbarros that day).
Because, they are the SAME, don’t you see?
I think Lincoln said it best, PMain.
You can get x number of people on your side using propaganda.
You can get y number of people on your side using facts.
For short periods of time, you can get both groups, but that time has passed…now you have to choose which group you want on your side.
British Jews are attacked because they don’t belong to American country clubs? There’s a Ph.D. thesis in this one for sure. Now we just need to link the holocaust to British anti-semitism and it’s all Bush’s fault.
Were you able to recognize one when you saw him, you might ask him.
Alternately, just read the comments rebutting your own sophistry.
Facts to Proggs are like the crucifix to Dracula. Not “Vlad the Impaler”, mind you, but the fictional vampire.
TW: left37
He doesn’t have a political view. He has a personal problem.
Take your moral equivilance, fold it until it’s all corners, and shove it up your ass.
Well alf,
At least your side gets to use the really cool”X” again for something more than playing the race card! Be careful though, I think Spike Lee may have it trademarked.
What is “my side” PMain?
Attempting to convert the crimes in the report into normally accepted measures of crime appear to be considered “sophistry.”
And all along I thought I was on the side of the reality-based community.
I guess that word doesn’t mean what I think it does.
So I guess I’m intellectually homeless.
*sniff*
And you know what, alpo?
You are the perfect representative of the soi-disant “reality based community”.
In other words your are totally bug-fuck crazy.
No they don’t. If they say it, they’re lying. They’re anti-Christian bigots. The end.
Not a coincidence, because the religion he has and the slurs he prefers are both inheritances from his father. But the movie’s not Mel GIbson. It’s a thing. It doesn’t hate anybody. It’s a traditional story, told traditionally (though not traditionally enough for my tastes (which would have had it be more “antisemitic,” because more true to the texts)). Some of the bad guys–and the hero–are Jews. Big deal.
If Gibson does hate Jews, he does it post-Passion, and not for no reason. He was accused of and professionally osctacized for hating Jews, which he didn’t, until they–and it is mostly “they”–pulled that shit, which he rightly regards as anti-Christian. And it (the shit) conforms to antisemitic stereotype so well as to look like a parody. Enraged, he speaks his father’s language, because he has it, and it fits the situatiuon. Stupid reaction, but I understand.
And unlike Hillary and Jesse and Jimmy’s anti-Jew tirades, that shit was funny. “Sugartits?” Ghetto pass.
Which should make me quite popular in the so-called “pro-war” camp, then, N.O.?
Or do you want your French word to be translated as self-styled?
Yes, it is. The singular form of “data” is not “anecdote”. Your personal observations do not establish a universal fact. The most you can say is that your parents belong to a club with racists and anti-semites.
You’re a bigot; that you can cite an experience that validates your bigotry (in your mind) doesn’t change that anymore than, say, being attacked by a black man would validate anti-black bigotry.
Hell, the fact that you can’t see it as bigotry, but rather see it as a simple fact, is even more telling. Everyone has prejudices; the secret is to be aware of them and deal with people as individuals as much as possible.
You did no such thing. You compared all forms of violent crime in the US to hate crimes against Jews in Britain. They’re not comparable.
I compared equivalent figures—hate crimes against Jews in both the US and Britain—and found the exact opposite of your claims. Hate crimes against Jews in Britain occur at TWICE the frequency of hate crimes against Jews in the US.
Did you bother to read my comment? Are you incapable of understanding it? Or just so dishonest you will not concern yourself with evidence contrary to your opinions?
Y’all are still wasting your time with alphie, huh?
I’ve got a great big hamster wheel for sale if anyone is interested.
Bret…?
What’s that kind of cursed tree they hide behind?
I think that they should all be Loraxed.
The report says 112 recorded violent crimes against Jews in Britain, Robert.
It doesn’t say hate crimes.
You’re twisting the data to fit your…what?
“Rational” point of view?
Are you really this stupid?
From the story:
Here’s a link to the actual report. From the text of that report:
It most particularly DOES deal with hate crimes, and not incidents like (say) bar brawls, muggings, etc.
Again, you’re wrong. Why do you have so much invested in denying that antisemitic violence is on the increase in Britain?
It doesn’t say they were anti-Semitic violent crimes, Rob.
You can infer that from the article if you want to, but it’s not stated clearly.
And what of the infamous Duke case?
Neither side denies the dreaded N-word was hurled at the alleged victim several times by the frat boys.
Seems like a hate crime to me.
I could ask why is your side so invested in denying American hate crimes?
Do you think we can’t fucking read, you idiot? That is the title of the damn report.
Which seems to prove that the racist fratboys are a lot more honest about what went on than the accuser. Still, if somebody called me a fucking mick, I would probably accuse them of having raped me.