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Ask The Quagmire Guy II [Dan Collins]

Dear Quagmire Guy,

A friend pointed out to me this article published today in The Sun, entitled 10 years to save the planet.  It begins like this:

A NEW worldwide movement backed by celebrities, musicians, politicians and business leaders is aiming to reverse the effects of global warming over the next decade.

Global Cool launched in London and LA today and is calling on one billion people to reduce their carbon emissions by just one tonne a year, for the next 10 years.

Boffins have found the climatic tipping point – when the climate becomes irreversibly damaged – can be turned back if global CO2 emissions are reduced by one billion tonnes a year.

Campaigners then hope cleaner, renewable energy sources such as solar, wind, water and hydrogen would have been developed.

Big names including Leonardo Di Caprio, Orlando Bloom, KT Tunstall, Pink, The Killers, Razorlight and Josh Hartnett have thrown their weight behind the worldwide effort to beat climate change.

A website has been set up, http://www.global-cool.com, with advice on how to go green by reducing energy consumption through doing simple things such as sharing a shower with a mate.

There’s a picture of the brilliant Nobel scientist Josh Hartnett (rrrrowwwrrrrrrrr) right in the article.  They’re even going to meet with the Prime Minister tomorrow!  Is there any chance of our turning this around?

Claire Tisdale

Edinburgh, Scotland

Dear Claire,

Unfortunately, I think we’re doomed.  If Pink has noticed the problem, it’s likely too late to stop it.  If you have to divert more resources to a problem, it’s virtually certain that the problem is insoluble.  Take for example Bush’s “surge” strategy for the Iraq war.  It’s a quagmire!  I’m sorry to have to tell you this, Claire, but I think that you ought to look into securing lodgings in Edinburgh Castle, because I’m pretty sure Princes Street is going to be underwater in the not-too-distant future.

Cheers,

The Quagmire Guy

Waxman To Prove Global Warming’s Validity

Madame Tussaud’s denounces suicidal melting

54 Replies to “Ask The Quagmire Guy II [Dan Collins]”

  1. Cythen says:

    Dammit, now I have the “It’s Quagmire!” theme song from Family Guy running around in my head.

  2. B Moe says:

    Boffins have found the climatic tipping point – when the climate becomes irreversibly damaged – can be turned back if global CO2 emissions are reduced by one billion tonnes a year.

    After whipping out these calculations, they no doubt got back to the hard business of trying to turn lead into gold.

  3. wishbone says:

    Spring must be just around the corner.  Hollywood is in full blathering bloom.

  4. wishbone says:

    Or should that be full bloom blather?

    As Orlando Bloom is included in the genius list, perhaps the latter.

    And let’s all remember, somewhere an entire army of publicists is getting paid for this.

  5. Rusty says:

    After whipping out these calculations, they no doubt got back to the hard business of trying to turn lead into gold.

    Dude . I’ve been trying to turn these old freon cannisters into palm trees and judging by the response it’s working.

  6. N. O'Brain says:

    Ok, the moonbats have worked themselves into a righteous lather.

    Again.

    Could someone explain to me why they’d be so afraid of something that sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

  7. furriskey says:

    I’ve been trying to turn these old freon cannisters into palm trees and judging by the response it’s working.

    Classic.

    Seriously though, if a really top grade thespian like, say, Daniel Craig, or a top Canuck crooner like Gordon Lighfoot or Leonard Cohen threw his weight behind this, I would be obliged to sit up and take notice.

  8. Meg Q says:

    “Global Cool”?

    Isn’t that a leftover org from the ‘70’s? Just repurposed, I guess.

  9. Bill D. Cat says:

    ….or a top Canuck crooner like Gordon Lighfoot or Leonard Cohen threw his weight behind this…

    I’ll take your two Canadian crooners , raise you a pot smokin , granola munchin ‘ , un – washed Canadian fucking hippie and call .

  10. furriskey says:

    It won’t let me link. Is David Suzuki a Canadian? Is he a Two-Stroke?

  11. Bill D. Cat says:

    furriskey ,

    try this , scroll down to Y2Kyoto:The Documentary and hit the top asterix * . My point is the bandwagon is getting pretty full .

  12. mojo says:

    Sarcastic Guy: “Wow, an even one billion tonnes, huh? What are the odds?

    Moron.”

  13. Dave E. says:

    Unfortunately, I think we’re doomed. If Pink has noticed the problem, it’s likely too late to stop it.

    I do believe that’s the quote of the day.

  14. AST says:

    From AFP has this headline: Climate change means hunger and thirst for billions

    But not in Hollywood.  They’ll raise money but 90% will go into more fundraising. BTW, that Brit Paper may need to change its name to “The Disk in the Sky.” Calling it The Sun could contribute to GW. 

    This whole thing is about fundraising.  They need to make something like CO2 the villain because we all breath it out.  It’s the scare that keeps on scaring. The only solution is to roll back the Industrial Revolution, however, and that would hurt fundraising for trivial matters like saving the birdies.  Fortunately, by then, we’ll all be dead, and everybody will be working to subsist, not to have more money and leisure, so nobody will need fundraisers either.

  15. Meg Q says:

    David Suzuki is a genetics professor who somehow has become an expert on the environment. He presents a TV program on the CBC and is a big celebrity among Canadians and environmentalists. Not well known otherwise. His TV persona is very warm and cuddly, but it’s well-known at UBC (where my father-in-law also taught and my husband and most of his siblings went to school) that he’s a real asshole. But an asshole with his heart in the right place, so that’s okay.

  16. furriskey says:

    The tour even has a theme song courtesy of iconic Canadian musician Raffi – a rockabilly groove number called “Cool It.” This anthemic song on global warming, which will be played throughout the tour, urges government and business leaders to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Staff of the David Suzuki Foundation, and Dr. Suzuki himself, sing back-up. Streaming audio and video versions of”Cool It” will be available at davidsuzuki.org.

    Christ.

    I’m almost sorry I asked.

    This may be irrelevant, but I would have thought that what with the, you know, Wilderness an all, Canada was either carbon-neutral or possibly even positive (if there is such a thing)-

    So even if the Canadian Voice is heeded by the Canadian Government, is it likely to have any discernible effect?

    Not trying to be mean. I can understand that if you live just below the old polar ice-cap this may be a matter of greater urgency than it seems to us down here on the Equator with our air conditioning turned up to “Arctic”.

  17. Ric Locke says:

    That is, these are people who believe that marching in the streets, carrying effigies, sigils, and Beechwood Boards with Baleful Signs, is not only an effective method of dealing with [fill in the blank] but the only possible method which is both effective and morally permissible.

    They then sneer at evolutionists for “magical thinking.” Says it all.

    Regards,

    Ric

  18. The Lost Dog says:

    Waxman To Prove Global Warming’s Validity

    God! I hate to parade my cynicism once again, but I don’t think Waxman could prove he had a dick, even if he took his pants off.

    Here is a man who would walk out of an AA meeting saying: “You’re all a bunch of quitters!” if he thought he could get more illiterate’s votes.

    Am I the only one who’s skin crawls when he hears the two words: “Henry Waxman”?

    Who elects this slimy pot of bilge? Let me guess. Is it Californians?

  19. mishu says:

    Well, the Gore Effect is in full swing in Chicago. It’s 8 degrees here. These people can pound sand.

  20. The Lost Dog says:

    If you haven’t gone Here<a href=”www.junkscience.co” target=”_blank”>, you should. (I hope I did this right)

    Since February 16, 2005, the Kyoto Protocol has cost US$ 293,427,775,019 while potentially saving an undetectable 0.003042955 °C by the year 2050.

    Malaria cost US$ 257,084,691,088 in lost GDP and 5,281,699 lives over the same period.

    This is actually a running clock, but it really says all that needs to be said about the IPCC and Kyoto. The money is not what the US has spent, it is the total amount of money in US dollars that other countries have spent. And none of them have even come close to meeting their targets.

    Talk about “does your dick reach your ass”.

    My stand is that everyone should read “State of Fear”. It is devastating to the IPCC and all the other idiots who believe in bullshit over science. Anybody remember Eugenics? Global Warming is right up there with eugenics.

    Bullshit supported by no science. Who can show us that CO2, which makes up about 3% of our atmosphere, is going to warm the planet with an increase of 84PPB in the last century? 84 parts per billion!

    Give me a break. H2O is the main greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, and yet we are counting on a technology of alternative fuels (fuel cells) that will put billions of tons of water vapor into the atmosphere? Go, baby!

    I need to go to bed. I am really pissed off about something with no relation to PW, but I seem to be dumping it here.

    Not that some brain dead assholes don’t deserve it…

  21. Meg Q says:

    Yes, but Mishu, what is the “carbon footprint” of pounding sand???

  22. The Lost Dog says:

    Sorry.

    I can’t figure out how to use the http// post, so I will just say: go to junkscience.com

    You’re going to have to copy it, but I think most of us can do that. If you can’t, just type it into your browser.

    An interesting site…

  23. mishu says:

    Don’t get me started with that “carbon footprint” crap. That’s a tool to guilt the “riff raff” from consuming.

    “Don’t want those rubes encroaching our vacation hotspots”

    — limousine liberal

  24. MayBee says:

    Here in Japan they have a remarkable energy-reduction initiative called $1,000 Electricity Bills.

  25. MayBee says:

    Doesn’t Pink’s husband drive a motorcycle around in circles for a living?

  26. J. Peden says:

    If it wasn’t that I’d have to starve plants, I too would help the World “go green”.

    Otherwise, I’ll stick to the more conventional method: CO2 fertilization, warming, more water – you know, the Greenhouse effect.

  27. J. Peden says:

    The Oregon State Climatologist, George Taylor, “has been called ‘the most dangerous man in Oregon’”. In other words, he’s a real scientist, when compared with the classic scientific method.

    In a radio interview with Lars Larsen a few days ago, Mr. Taylor reported that a simulation done by a GW friendly scientist he knows found that, were the Kyoto Protocols to be applied to the whole World, the expected reduction in GW over 50 yrs. would be .1 degree C., which Mr. Taylor noted is indistinguishable from no effect at all.

    This actually comports with the results of a Science mag. study as reported by its GW friendly GW editor on CSPAN a couple of years ago. The scientists surveyed concluded that any effects from Kyoto CO2 control measures would not be seen for “100 years”, and not necessarily even upon GW – in effect a big zero.

    But it’ll be interesting to see how long Mr.Taylor remains the State Climatologist.

    Meanwhile, the U.N. ipcc is releasing its “4AR” scientific conclusions/Summary for Policymakers, Feb., 07, with the scientific bases for the conclusions coming three months later.

    The Mann hockey stick is dead, but it looks like there is going to be another one, and the ipcc will not help get the data upon which it is based released from its constructor, a guy named Jones. – according to Steve McIntyre, climateaudit.org, who also reports some ipcc dissing.

    Don’t mess with the Queen, “George”.

  28. Here in Japan they have a remarkable energy-reduction initiative called $1,000 Electricity Bills.

    shoosh, MayBee.  that explains the tables with heaters.  I’ve decided I need one of those since it’s just me here and I’ve been mostly at my kitchen table for the last month. when I’m home anyway.  and I bet the kitties would like it too.

  29. TomB says:

    Debating the “consensus” of AGW on another site I decided to look for a list of scientists who doubt at least some aspect of the theory. This is by no means a complete list, you might want to check the Oregon Petition also, which is around 20,000 signatures.

    Skeptics:

    Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland

    Claude Allègre, French geophysicist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris)

    Robert C. Balling, Jr., director of the Office of Climatology and an associate professor of geography at Arizona State University

    David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma

    Richard Lindzen, MIT meteorology professor and member of the National Academy of Sciences

    Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville

    Khabibullo Ismailovich Abdusamatov, at Pulkovskaya Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the supervisor of the Astrometria project of the Russian section of the International Space Station

    Sallie Baliunas, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

    Robert M. Carter, researcher at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia

    George V. Chilingar, professor of civil and petroleum engineering at the University of Southern California

    William M. Gray, professor of atmospheric science and meteorologist, Colorado State University (now at NOAA)

    Zbigniew Jaworowski, chair of the Scientific Council at the Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection in Warsaw

    Marcel Leroux, former Professor of Climatology, Université Jean Moulin

    Tim Patterson , paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada

    Frederick Seitz, retired, former solid-state physicist, former president of the National Academy of Sciences

    Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem

    Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia

    Willie Soon, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

    Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center

    Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Professor Emeritus from University of Ottawa

    Sherwood Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University

    Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.

    Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Department of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia’s National Tidal Facility, and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

    Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Department of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa.

    Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Department of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa.

    Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards.

    Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Department of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ontario.

    Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Department of Economics, University of Guelph, Ontario.

    Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant.

    Dr. Andreas Prokocon, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology.

    Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, Canadian member, and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa.

    Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario.

    Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Department of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta.

    Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Department of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario.

    Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Department of Economics, University of Victoria.

    Dr. Peter Chylek, adjunct professor, Department of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax.

    Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.

    Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta.

    Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Virginia, and Sioux Lookout, Ontario.

    Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.

    Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary.

    Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ontario.

    Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z.

    Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, New Jersey.

    Mr. George Taylor, Department of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists.

    Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia.

    Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.

    Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review.

    Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.

    Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand.

    Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics and geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden.

    Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, California.

    Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minnesota.

    Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS

    Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health).

    Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland.

    Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Department of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy and Environment.

    Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), and an economist who has focused on climate change.

    Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey.

    Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway.

    Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand.

    Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC, and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of “Climate Change 2001,” Wellington, N.Z.

    Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut.

    Dr. Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.

    Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.

    Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

    Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society.

    Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Department of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University.

    Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.

    Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book, The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland.

    Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany.

    Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland.

    Dr. Wibjörn Karlén, emeritus professor, Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden.

    Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, California; atmospheric consultant.

    Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Oregon.

    Dr. Arthur Rörsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food, and public health.

    Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist.

    Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.

    Note: there may be some repeats. I got the names from more than one source.

  30. Meg Q says:

    TomB:

    BECAUSE OF THE DENIAL!!!

    Actually, here in Canada, we do have 2 interesting things going on. One is in politics: The Liberals last fall chose a new leader, and because the backers of the two front-runners wouldn’t go with the other guy, the third guy got the job, a smooth, very Frenchy Quebecker who can barely speak English off-the-cuff and was the Liberals’ Environment minister. So now the Conservative government, responding to this, a bit of a fiasco with their first Environment minister, and the possibility of an election this year, are being all “green” and talking as if they were born-again members of Greenpeace. Parliament just returned after the Christmas break and basically it’s been a big “Green-off”. Who loves Kyoto more? I do! No, I do! (But not to worry, the Conservatives here actually have a spine, unlike the British Conservatives – they got a spine transplant when they merged with the Alliance.)

    Trivia: No joke, the new Liberal leader, Stephane Dion, has a dog named Kyoto. Seriously. And not because he likes the Japanese city so much.

    The other is that the Financial Post, basically the Canadian equivalent of the WSJ and the “business” section of the “conservative” (“rightist” is perhaps a better adjective) National Post, has over the last 2 years been running a series of items on their editorial page – editorials, but also “Profiles of Global Warming Deniers” and scientific articles by those “deniers”. They also print the letters from the greenies that this series generates, which are often quite amusing. However, the whole idea behind the project was to be able to shoot down people like Al Gore when they say, “All scientists agree on this. All the science agrees.” Well, it doesn’t, and here’s why . . .

    Here’s a column by Terence Corcoran, FP editor, that’s typical of the series: Politics first, science second

    Unfortunately, apparently the majority of Canadians seem to think that we should have “carbon credits” and “carbon taxes” and all that. And everybody wants a nice, pretty, super-duper environment. Sadly, though everybody wants to go to heaven, nobody wants to die . . .

  31. Ronaldo says:

    So just for the record, are you guys all denying that global warming is a problem?  That does seem to be another tenet of the conservative ideology along with denying evolution and ridiculing anything relating to environmental issues. Along with the fatuous celebrities, global warming is also the concern of almost every reputable scientist (those not employed by corporate propaganda mills—sometimes referred to as think tanks). You brand global warming claims as fear mongering yet you are the same folks who say that we should all be scared shitless about terrorism. I thought to be conservative was to err on the side of caution? 

    To whoever it was who posted that it is 8 degrees in Chicago (It’s January, that isn’t even cold for Chicago) I leave you with this Onion headline:

    Northeast Stunned By Freak January Snowfall

  32. mishu says:

    From the Weather Channel. Chicago seasonal averages.

    Month Avg. High Avg. Low

    January 32.0° F 18.0° F

    I grew up here. Don’t fuck with me about Chicago weather.

  33. TomB says:

    Along with the fatuous celebrities, global warming is also the concern of almost every reputable scientist (those not employed by corporate propaganda mills—sometimes referred to as think tanks).

    Oooooh. Nice timing on the post Ronaldo. You wouldn’t care to back that statement up, would you?

    I can point to evidence of terrorism.

    You can’t do the same with AGW.

  34. TomB says:

    Sadly, though everybody wants to go to heaven, nobody wants to die . . .

    And I was promised a pony…

    Black, brown and white.

  35. Pablo says:

    So just for the record, are you guys all denying that global warming is a problem?

    I’ll deny that it’s a problem we can do anything about until we find a way to eliminate volcanoes and bovine flatulence. But hey, let’s raise taxes and throw money at it anyway! And while we’re at it, can someone please write some anti-earthquake legislation?

    The ice age was a problem too, no?

    Along with the fatuous celebrities, global warming is also the concern of almost every reputable scientist (those not employed by corporate propaganda mills—sometimes referred to as think tanks).

    How many of them are climatologists? because those guys know that things warm and they cool and the earth changes CONSTANTLY.

    I must say that I’m impressed with your ability to determine who is reputable and who isn’t by whether they agree with you.

    Northeast Stunned By Freak January Snowfall

    This isn’t The Onion, is it? How many California Citrus Farmers are concerned about global warming?

  36. nnivea says:

    “You brand global warming claims as fear mongering yet you are the same folks who say that we should all be scared shitless about terrorism.”

    A quintessentially “actinine” statement.  One part of the statement is supported by facts, one isn’t.  Which one?

    Global warming claims are based on some rather shoddy science cloaked in a political veneer.  But, of course, those who question its validity (or at least the process by which it has come to be accepted as fact) are shills.  Those reliant upon government grants are certainly not.  I find it ironic that the very people who, in the sixties, who were convinced that the government underwrote all manner of nefarious activities, now consider its political machinations as pure as the driven snow – curious. 

    I’ve had occasion to work with scientists dependent upon grants, and their whoring for money is no more noble than what you blithely condemn the corporate shills for doing.  Besides, good science is good science – no matter who is producing it.  Unfortunately, the fact that the first, and now it appears the second IPCC report will post a summary for public consumption, while ensuring that the data in the main body of the document conforms to it.  That’s not science, it’s begging the question.  They learned their lesson when scientific contributors to the first document took issue with the fact that the data in the body did not support the summary’s contentions.  They won’t let that happen again.

    Politicizing science is extremely dangerous.

  37. Pablo says:

    BTW, I’m all for cutting back on the use of fossil fuels. How do you feel about nuclear plants, Ronaldo?

    tw: theory58

    I can’t wait to hear 59.

  38. TomB says:

    BTW, I’m all for cutting back on the use of fossil fuels. How do you feel about nuclear plants, Ronaldo?

    And therein lies the quandry for the enviros Pablo, no? The more they scream about CO2 emissions, and as noted earlier, water vapor emissions when we switch to hydrogen fuel cells, honestly, there’s no winning with these people, the more the absolute solution becomes nuclear power.

    You’ll be able to tell the true believers in AGW from the multitude of pretenders when the true believers embrace nucs.

  39. Pablo says:

    Oct. 23, 2006 – In April, 1975, in an issue mostly taken up with stories about the collapse of the American-backed government of South Vietnam, NEWSWEEK published a small back-page article about a very different kind of disaster. Citing “ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically,” the magazine warned of an impending “drastic decline in food production.” Political disruptions stemming from food shortages could affect “just about every nation on earth.” Scientists urged governments to consider emergency action to head off the terrible threat of . . . well, if you had been following the climate-change debates at the time, you’d have known that the threat was:

    Any guesses?

    tw: near52

    I wish. Instead, it’s 19°.

    tw on preview: doubt19

    Hey, take it up with the Weather Channel.

  40. Chipster says:

    Dan:

    I hit the link to Global Cool and, I must say, I really liked their advice to shower “with a really dirty friend”.

    Everytime I’m in the shower with “a really dirty friend” we’re there for a loooong time.  I get to feel emotionally and intellectually superior while destroying the earth for my sexual pleasure.

    BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I love envirotards!

  41. rjvtx says:

    Who can show us that CO2, which makes up about 3% of our atmosphere, is going to warm the planet with an increase of 84PPB in the last century?

    CO2 actually makes up only about .03% of our atmosphere.  But your point is well taken.

  42. Jess says:

    Now what is truly interesting to me is the change in timing – at the dawn of the “post cooling era” (the early ‘80s), the impact of Global Warming was nearly immediate – predictions of hades like conditions by the early 90’s.  Didn’t work out, but the “millenium” couldn’t be beat, so everything was to happen prior to 2000. 

    Now that the scam is proving to be a bust, the hysteria-date has moved to any convenient date that outlives the predictors….

    J

    PS – GW would make my land oceanfront, thus more valuable to me

  43. rjvtx says:

    Who can show us that CO2, which makes up about 3% of our atmosphere, is going to warm the planet with an increase of 84PPB in the last century?

    Hmm, and the increase is actually 84PPM.  So, .03% is 300PPM, and the increase is 84PPM.  But your point is still, well, taken.

  44. B Moe says:

    I’ll deny that it’s a problem we can do anything about until we find a way to eliminate volcanoes and bovine flatulence.

    Don’t forget controlling the temperature of the Sun.

    This isn’t The Onion, is it?

    No, but it is getting close, you must admit.

  45. Pablo says:

    You make a good point, B Moe, but stopped clock, twice a day, etc…

  46. ThePolishNizel says:

    You brand global warming claims as fear mongering yet you are the same folks who say that we should all be scared shitless about terrorism

    Hmmmm?  I don’t remember anyone telling me to be scared shitless about terrorism, or terrorists for that matter.  But, I do remember that some people want to do something about that tactic, and the cowards, who use it.  So, that’s a strawman.  Thanks fucktard.

    Piggybacking on somebody elses’ point about, terrorism (islamofucks) as opposed to AGW.  This is a great point.  Terrorism is tangible.  It is with us.  We have felt it’s wrath.  So we have a mandate to do something about it.  However, AWG, is hardly proven.  Global warming may indeed be happening, as it has happened on and off for millions, upon millions, upon millions of years.  Humans may indeed even be helping it along.  However, once again, the SCIENCE does not imply the policy favored by leftards such as ronaldo.  Once again, I ask the leftards who are so worried about CO2, to do their part and stop breathing.  This kills two birds (no pun intended, or is it?) with one stone.  They get to save mother Gaia and the planet’s aggregate IQ goes up a few points.  Cool deal, if you ask me.

  47. McGehee says:

    Dear Quagmire Guy:

    The trolls on this blog I like to read, have gotten to be little better than garden gnomes whose only real shot at pissing anybody off is to hope you trip over them while having adult conversations with actual people.

    This, while reducing the overall stench they create, also makes the internet a little less entertaining. Is there anything we can do about this?

    s/Bored in the Blogosphere

  48. mishu says:

    From Josh’s site:

    And those relatives across the world – if they really loved you, wouldn’t they move closer?

    My God what pricks. “Hey Grandma, F-you. I’m saving the planet.”

  49. Dan Collins says:

    Dear Bored,

    Trolls never get any better.  They only get worse, and as the universe runs down (the only one we have at present or are likely to get) and entropy increases, the distance between their neurons grows and it just becomes increasingly difficult for them to have coherent thoughts, much less express them.

    Essentially, it’s like being in the bathtub without any more hot water.  There’s just a point at which it’s all gotten so lukewarm that it’s not worth hanging around and getting any prunier, so you might as well get out.

    Don’t worry, though, because the world’s ending soon, and you won’t have to worry about troll quality anymore whent that happens.

    Sincerely,

    The Quagmire Guy

  50. MarkD says:

    Dan,

    The burning question is, at some point, doesn’t the universe stop expanding and collapse upon itself in another big bang – a cosmic reboot?

    Or does it keep expanding infinitely? 

    If so, where does it go?

    And these fools are concerned about the future of one miserable planet whirling around one inconsequential sun?

  51. Rusty says:

    How many California Citrus Farmers are concerned about global warming?

    They’re worried plenty. ‘cause I found a cache of old refrigerators and in a couple of years there’s gonna be grapefruit trees in Peroria.

  52. Pablo says:

    They’re worried plenty. ‘cause I found a cache of old refrigerators and in a couple of years there’s gonna be grapefruit trees in Peroria.

    Rusty, I was referring to the crops destroyed in Cali’s recent freeze.

  53. Rusty says:

    Rusty, I was referring to the crops destroyed in Cali’s recent freeze.

    Can’t stop. I’m onna roll.

  54. Dan Collins says:

    Dear Mark,

    The burning question is, at some point, doesn’t the universe stop expanding and collapse upon itself in another big bang – a cosmic reboot?

    Hahahaha!  That’s a good one, Mark. 

    No, all kidding aside, Microsoft issues a new operating system, and everybody migrates to a new universe capable of running it.

    Yours,

    The Quagmire Guy

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