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The Fourth Rail and The Fourth Estate [Karl]

Dante Chinni, a senior associate at the Project for Excellence in Journalism, writes in the Christian Science Monitor that Bill Roggio’s blogging—including his current embed in Iraq—has value, BUT:

His bias can be overwhelming at times – his posts can sound a lot like government talking points filtered through war stories. When he’s not filing stories from a war zone, he likes to take issue with the mainstream media’s reporting of events, such as The Washington Post’s recent report on the dangers of Anbar Province. He often sees Al Qaeda as the hand behind most of what’s going on in Iraq, such as the Thanksgiving bombings that killed more than 200.

Roggio responds:

I fail to see how saying we lost western Pakistan to al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and Somalia to the Islamic Courts, and failed to subdue al-Qaeda in Ramadi and Muqtada al-Sadr, are government talking points. In fact, I’ve made some people in the government very uncomfortable.

Roggio is still busy in Iraq, so this Fourth Rail reader would like to point out how polite that response is.

Roggio “likes to take issue with the mainstream media’s reporting of events, such as The Washington Post’s recent report on the dangers of Anbar Province?” Yes, he does, based on what he was told by several sources in the military and intelligence who have actually seen the entire report that was the basis of the WaPo story—which itself was based on paraphrasing and excerpts.  Roggio also wrote:

The Washington Post report on Anbar certainly contains plenty of truth, which makes the argument effective. But the statements are excepted (and cleverly at that, note the breaks in the quotations) and the context is poor. Several examples… (emphasis added).

It is not as though Roggio is entirely dismissed the story or failed to explain what he saw as the lack of context in the examples.  The last part would be a good lesson for Mr. Chinni to learn, as his piece on Roggio is—aside from this point about the WaPo story—devoid of any concrete examples of Roggio’s “overwhelming” bias.

Roggio “often sees Al Qaeda as the hand behind most of what’s going on in Iraq, such as the Thanksgiving bombings that killed more than 200?” He did see al-Qaeda in Iraq as behind the Thanksgiving Day attack in Sadr City. Of course the Times of London and even Moqtada al-Sadr thought so, too—probably for the reason that it was a well-coordinated multi-bomb attack that is an AQ trademark.

As for Roggio thinking that AQ is “the hand behind most of what’s going on in Iraq,” a review of his recent posts on Iraq includes pieces on Al Qaeda, but also raids against the Mahdi Army in Sadr City (more than once, actually), fighting Sunni insurgents in Kirkuk, Baquba, Yusifiyah and Ramadi, and fighting the Mahdi Army in Baquba.

A lighter moment is when Chinni, having propped up his strawblogger, knocks it down thusly:

Those views are not in the mainstream and many people, including Iraq Study Group cochairmen James Baker and Lee Hamilton, do not subscribe to them.

No, Baker and Hamilton subscribe to the idea that we should be engaging Iraq and Syria.  Military experts and historians disagree with that idea.  Indeed, not even the ISG seriously thinks engagement with Iran will work. For that matter, at one time, it was the mainstream view that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but that didn’t make it correct, either.

Chinni continues, ostensibly praising Roggio’s reporting on the views of soldiers in Iraq, including their “real and growing dislike for the press among the soldiers who, he says, feel the media have ‘abandoned’ them,” but seems compelled to note that “these are only a few voices and anecdotes.” Here’s a hint for Mr. Chinni—if you write a column for the CSM, you might try reading it.  Start with this CSM piece reporting that many of our troops are upset with the disproportionately negative coverage of their efforts.

Chinni also worries that Roggio’s readers will have a skewed view of conditions in Iraq if they don’t also read the MSM accounts.  Apparently he missed Roggio’s sidebar, which links to MSM stories, including (as of today):

For Iraq’s Sunnis, Conflict Closes In

2 car bombs kill 11 in Iraq

Uneasy Havens Await Those Who Flee Iraq

Former head of British army says there is a resource shortfall in Iraq and Afghanistan

Saudis and Iran prepare to do battle over corpse of Iraq

Iraq: Pilot of crashed F-16 listed as killed in action

Iraqi Army falters in Baghdad mission

Also in the sidebar are handpicked “Today In..” blocks for regions of interest to Roggio.  Today, the lead item for Iraq was “Sectarian violence rages on.”

I will say this for Chinni’s column: it was not as riddled with basic factual errors as the WaPo story that mentioned Roggio last year.  So Chinni’s piece might be best described as “naturally one-sided, but it is engaging.”

9 Replies to “The Fourth Rail and The Fourth Estate [Karl]”

  1. Les Nessman says:

    “Chinni also worries that Roggio’s readers will have a skewed view of conditions in Iraq if they don’t also read the MSM accounts. “

    Did Mr. Chinni also worry that consumers were getting a skewed view if they only read MSM accounts? Did he really think that the MSM was unbiased?

    Increasingly, the MSM is getting more frightened by the Internets.

  2. Karl says:

    To be fair to Chinni, he writes of Roggio:

    He is unafraid to go into dangerous places and he offers a very different perspective. For that reason, he is a worthwhile read on Iraq, so long as he is not the only read on the subject. He shows what one blogger in a war zone can do.

    The problem, one all too common in the blogosphere, is that Roggio has become less a reporter than a validator of the pro-war viewpoint to many. He has become a phenomenon among war supporters, most of whom, judging from reader comments, read him largely because they agree with his views.

    And that’s too bad for the war’s supporters and its detractors as well. Bloggers such as Roggio can create a fuller picture of the conflict in Iraq. But if only one side of the political spectrum reads him – or one side reads him and only him – both sides will be missing some important perspective.

    So it’s possible that he would not favor a total reliance on the MSM, though he (for whatever reason) does not explicitly say so.

  3. well, and Roggio does his damndest to keep politics out of his posts and comments. I was telling RTO about how he very strictly policed the comments until recently, but i’m afraid he may have to again since he’s getting more attention.

  4. Mark says:

    It’s only fair to be fair to Chinni Karl, but what a convoluted few paragraphs he wrote.

    Of note is:

    he [Roggio] is a worthwhile read on Iraq, so long as he is not the only read on the subject.

    Well, duh!; to read only one source has been stupid ever since Ernie Pyle died.

    Why hasn’t Chinni been decrying the reading of only the MSM (and without options) from the period between Pyle and before the “Roggios” were forced to take, and relate, reality into their own hands?

  5. Karl says:

    Maggie’s comment reminded me to note this comment at the Fourth Rail:

    They also fail to see that your blog emphasizes the military rather than political aspects of the war in Iraq. Things can look very different from military and political perspectives. I think a lot of people miss that completely. The US military in Iraq is in no danger of imminent collapse or catastrophe. It’s the political situation that has gone to pot. People assume that since the insurgency is able to kill loads of civilians in Baghdad that the US military is in shambles and the Iraqi Army is worthless. Unfortunately, killing civilians is pretty easy to do and the insurgency has consistent support both outside and inside Iraq. The Iraqi government and army are not in a state of imminent collapse either. The danger is that the political situation slowly spirals downward followed by a collapse of support by the US.

    The reson this comment leapt out at me was that it is not too different from that of the WaPo’s Tom Ricks:

    Ricks believes problems in the relationship between the military and press “grow out of the fundamentally political nature of the fight. The military wants to be judged in military terms—‘look at all the bad guys we killed, and don’t forget the school our soldiers painted.’ But the media, which is trained to measure the politics of a situation, knows the answer isn’t killing bad guys, and may not be painting schools. It probably is providing security to the people.

    “Now the Army is adjusting much more swiftly than it did during the Vietnam War. These days, I think, many commanders do understand those principles, but when they assert to reporters that they ‘get it,’ the reporters remember that division commanders back in 2003 and early 2004 also claimed to ‘get it,’ but back then were wrong. After hearing so many false assertions of progress, coming on top of a war launched on false premises, it may have become harder for journalists to recognize genuine signs of progress when or if they do occur. Once bitten, twice shy.”

    No bias from the author of Fiasco in that bit about a war launched on false premises, of course.

    But both comments go to the point that what Chinni is calling “overwhelming” bias is in fact his own inability to recognize that Roggio is covering the military aspects of the war, not the political aspects of the war.

    Moreover, re-reading Chinni’s piece, I am struck by the degree to which someone opining on excellence in journalism, Chinni is remarkably vague as to what Roggio’s bias is, other than that “his posts can sound a lot like government talking points filtered through war stories.” Again, Chinni provides no examples of this, and based on the one or two examples discussed in my main entry, it’s easy to see why.

    Another point that leapt out during the re-read was Chinni’s suggestion that Roggio’s blog reflects a pro-war segment of the blogosphere detached from the reality of conditions in Iraq:

    But for those who troll the blogosphere for news, there is a distinctly different view of the Iraq war available. In this version, the United States is “winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas,” but “losing the information war.”

    This is the war as seen and posted by Bill Roggio…

    Chinni’s quotes come from Roggio’s Dec 3 post, titled “The Military and The Media:”

    In nearly every conversation, the soldiers, Marines and contractors expressed they were upset with the coverage of the war in Iraq in general, and the public perception of the daily situation on the ground. They felt the media was there to sensationalize the news, and several stated some reporters were only interested in “blood and guts.” They freely admitted the obstacles in front of them in Iraq. Most recognized that while we are winning the war on the battlefield, albeit with difficulties in some areas, we are losing the information war. They felt the media had abandoned them.

    So the unrealistic view of conditions in Iraq Chinni chides was not Roggio’s, but the view expressed by our troops in Iraq, though Chinni managed to leave out the part about admitting obstacles.  As the troops are more likely to know what the conditions in Iraq are than Chinni, their views can only be characterized as unrealistic by viewing the conflict through the political lens.

    Again, to be fair to Chinni there is something to be said for viewing the conflict through the political lens.  Indeed, the US military understood that the decisive point in the counter-insurgency was political, not military, long before the MSM caught on.

    However, the US military also knows that wars of counter-insurgency, whether it’s Malaysia or Vietnam, the Philippines or Algeria, tend to be long and messy, regardless of outcome.  In contrast, I suspect that most people working for the MSM have little more than a cursory knowledge of Vietnam (quagmire!), let alone these other conflicts.  Thus, they end up looking only through the political lens without any context for evaluating what they are seeing.

  6. Dan Collins says:

    Excellent stuff, Karl.  I think your comment may actually be better than the post.

  7. BJTexs says:

    Karl, another excellent post. I have to run so I’ve only been able to skim but, as usual, you have covered the topic.

    BTW: I’m curious. You are the champion of the mutiple link/source. Is there a condition, like snow blindness, when you arrange all of these links? Sort of like “links blindness” or something?

    Just askin’. I seek to protect all of our posters from the dangers of blogging. Except for Dan, he’s too far gone…

  8. Karl says:

    Thanks, Dan & BJ.

    Dan, I may return to some of the points raised in my comment in a separate post, albeit from a different angle (though I’m hoping Jeff returns and kicks us out before then).

    BJ, I am a fan of the multiple link.  For the sake of readability, I try to be careful which text I highlight for the links, especially where, as here, the orange color is high-contrast to the regular text (note I didn’t link to all of the MSM stories Roggio carries).  But the reason I’m big on links is that I think that they are the essence of what the web (at least the pre-broadband web) has to offer.  Readers –especially those that are unfamiliar with me or my writing—can evaluate what I write by checking the link.  Had Chinni been required to include links for the online version of his column—aside from the one to Roggio’s home page—any skeptical reader could have quickly deduced what I already knew from reading Roggio’s blog, i.e., that Chinni was unfairly characterizing its content.

  9. BJTexs says:

    Karl: I like the multiple link (especially since I upgraded to the new Explorer and can now open tabs) (I know, I know, my son is on my butt to get Firefox, but I’m lazy.) No criticism was expressed. To the contrary, I appreciate being able to examine the source material and draw my own conclusions.

    As far as Chinni goes; I get the impression from him that there is a “proper” way to report Iraq war news that doesn’t include much of any positives (unless it’s a major operation like Fallujah.) That, more than anything else, is an indicator of the quality of reporting out of Iraq. No war could possibly be going as completely bad as we are led to believe.

    Uh, oh! No doubt Neo-stink is going to try and drop a commentary MOAB on my head for the above…

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