On NPR, Sharon Camp blames flat spending on sex ed and pregnancy cousellling, as well as that ubiquitous anti-condom propaganda as she considers the full range of possibilities for this social malady.
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How about a society that doesn’t stigmatize out of wedlock births?
Stigmatizing drunk driving (for example) reduced the incidents of that.
No, wait, what am I thinking? Can’t do that…
NPR even noticing a symptom of their own Left’s highly profitable socialization/de-fathering of America? That’s rich.
Just give them another five years to catch up with the enlightened Europeans.
I question the gestation period.
We did de-stigmatized out-of-wedlock births.
Could be, though, that planned parenthood is passing out free crappy condoms.
cleo–
The uptick is among women in their twenties. Nice try. Goodbye.
I’m guessing this is Bush’s fault somehow. Let me work on the social network and get back to you.
Bring back shame. Old school shame where Michael Caine huffing on ether is your only hope.
Ooh, was that the first? I like it.
I’m doing my part. Just yesterday I was walking past a little kid who I happen to know was born out of wedlock, and I looked down at him and sneered, “Get lost, ya rotten little bastard!”
That’ll teach him to be born out of wedlock.
The uptick is among women in their twenties.
and these 20 year-olds learned sex edcucation when?
Not to be anecdotal, but did anyone else here experience the nightmare of a significant number of condoms found broken, at the base of your junk, after sex? I always compared a rubber to playing in traffic while wearing a helmet.
And I have the Irish curse. I imagine it is worse for others.
Too much, I know. Sorry.
I was somewhere else that night, and I have witnesses.
hah, precommenting by Dan Collins.
Excellentextual!
Tomorrow’s New York Times today:
NPR Decries Dangerous Rise In ‘Women-Headed Households’
icleo
Looks like the oldest would have been about 16 and in high school during Clinton’s first term and that even the youngest would have grown up knowing of Lewinsky as a verb.
A verb which means “Not Sex”.
“Not Sex” because even though the girl intakes sperm there’s no baby-makin’ goin’ on.
You tumid turd.
Remember when everyone had a good laugh at Dan Quayle for acting as if a fictitious TV sitcom character were real? Ah, good times.
And why wouldn’t out-of-wedlock births rise? The entire aim of the War on Poor People has been to make fathers irrelevant. We’ve paid girls to have babies without having husbands, encouraged those who are married to divorce the SOB and substitute maintenance and child support payments in his place, encouraged newly divorced mothers to move away from where his job is, deny him visitation whenever the whim strikes, daily poison the minds of the children with lies that would make Goebbels blush…
Then when we’ve raised a generation of boys who don’t know how to be good men, and girls who don’t know that they exist, is it a wonder that misogynist bums hook up either with doormats who put up with them because they know no better, or cynical beeyatches who know a baby is their ticket to the subsidized apartment, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and the rest of the acoutrements to which they have become accustomed.
And the well-being of the pawns in the game be damned.
TW: Even better than a twelve-step program, it’s steps13!
Monster,
I like your style; hope you hang around.
Hmmm…Having trouble with this one because I’ve had 2 children “out of wedlock”. I have custody of both my girls and have NEVER received child support OR asked for anything beyond WIC when they were babies. (Mom split when they were 2 and 6 months).Anyway,as long as there’s a responsible PARENT,then the upbringing belongs to them,not the Nanny state.I’ve taught my girls the right way to live and although they are a little to the left of me politically,the’ve grown to accept responsibility and reject “tolerance” as it’s taught in the public schools.Six gun??
Blitz,
I think that this is too easily cartoonized. Look at Sockpuppet and Ardsgaine, above. Any parent who takes care of his/her child/ren ought to be commended, in my view. Whatever it is that makes people think that it’s okay to walk out on the commitment that they ought to have toward their children, I very much doubt it’s condoms. Whatever it is that causes people to have children out of wedlock (I mean, beyond sex), I doubt it has much to do with a lack of publicly-funded scolds.
Do you think that if “society” were harder on those who felt it wasn’t their problem, you might not have had to go it alone? You’re in the stuff, Blitz. What’s your feeling?
From reading the report at the NPR site it all seemed kind of simple. Women are marrying later, but they are still getting just as busy. So the *same* number of births would result in a net increase in out-of-wedlock births simply by raising the average age of marriage. You’d think someone who like studies this stuff could have predicted this would happen, inasmuch as the whole later-marrying thing has been pretty well-documented. I thought the post’s hook was the spin they gave it on NPR, not the phenomenon itself. We don’t really want to live in a society where the government has handy remedies for this sort of thing, no?
All that single Mom booty, don’t tell me you guys are missing out on that hit and run action. Within the South Florida proper the best quick-action lies within the single Mom sub-set, it’s fact. They nest during the day then thay partay. OK, so you have to be discreet when you turn the baby monitor down to a relaxing hum, and you don’t dare allow yourself to fall asleep afterwards. A trailer park is a frightening maze by daybreak, another fact. Yo, yo, it’s all good.
I’m taking “except for” to mean that the rate in that bracket is the same or down. Which is good news, isn’t it? I mean, among the bad news.
This has really worked well for Black America.
Folks, to know what’s going on, fully absorb this. It is absolutely real.
My issue with the Socialist lairs on NPR is that their system of urban nannyist lifestyle manipulation itself brought on this decay. If you want to lay blame, lay it on the doorsteps of NOW and the Welfare system.
More specifics? SS, TANF, the DHHS, and items like little Joe Biden’s VAWA, the Bradley Amendment, and the onorous Title IV-D absolutely positively create incentives for single parenting. Actually, they create our lovely inescapable habitual single parenting culture, generations deep of it. It’s become the only way to survive for hundreds of thousands.
Why? Because NOW and that establishment see to it. Do not underestimate the lobby power of the NOW and its various partners.
If you want evidence, look to the current debacle in N. Dakota, where tax funds are illegally being used by a host of “officials” in the sewer of statist “child support” to lobby directly against the state’s voter initiatives. The very same thing routinely happens in other states.
Why isn’t this prosecuted?
Exactly. The shift in society’s tone wrought by the Left even shows up in the very behavior of girls/women unable to be treated any way other than an object of abuse and boys/men incapable of doing otherwise. Surely it’d be a condition in the DSM if officially recognizing it wasn’t so expensive to our misandrist masters.
These days it’s even evident up to perhaps 40-45 yr old men and women, raised intertwined with this cesspool of government parenting, and incapable of seeing the opposite sex as anything other than opportunity.
This is what I refer to, Blitz.
Stick around, Monster.
6Gun – It’s not that I think your concerns are misplaced, but it’s hard not to look at the data and conclude that whatever we were to do to encourage less out-of-wedlock births would be realized in *less births.* The problem can be more easily addressed I think by helping married women to feel comfortable having more children, raising the in-wedlock share of the births pie. The politics of this is obvious – a positive message vs. a proscriptive negative one. Republicans, not to put to fine a point on it, are in a position where they need to pick their battles. Right now I’m thinking that a 3% uptick in out-of-wedlock births does not warrant a message campaign that society’s values are all screwed up and you disgusting single moms should just vote Democratic with the rest of the losers.
There’s a shorter version, happyfeet: The genepool is being corrupted by the disintegration of society. The disintegration of society is due, in large part, to secular statist nannyism. Secular statist nannyism is the end result of hard feminism. Cause, meet effect.
So less births it is. And from that, and assuming billions less in what amounts to servitude taxation, and we may have our integral family back.
Or not. That frog-water’s been on the stove for some time and I’ve yet to see a dole that once enacted, ever retracted itself. Basically we’ve lost our collective moral will and with it, our freedom. “Somebody do something” means government is our highest power. ahem has posted a piece on media brainwashing a page up and clearly he gets it.
So we get what we get: PC and decay. Because the solutions are infinitely harder to enact—and to face—than admitting failure, and admitting failure is just about impossible.
A sidebar: I really wonder how small time profs with degrees in political psychology miss the basics so thoroughly and so reliably. Especially when taking pot shots at the host run him directly against the leftist establishment grain I refer to. Kinda like the Left’s instinctive, ironic, and occasionally overt aversion to gays, Joos, and blacks, I guess.
Been nice knowin’ ya, Clio.
Teen births are at an all-time low, suggesting that sex ed is working fine. The birth rate for black teenagers has fallen dramatically—by 59 percent since 1991,if memory serves. For teens, college aspirations correlate with fewer births and more girls are hoping to go to college. (The abortion rate is down too.)
The delayed-marriage theory makes sense to me: Women in their 20s are delaying marriage but not delaying sex and not being terribly careful about birth control due to the much-lower stigma about out-of-wedlock births. Some parents get married after the baby is born, but most unwed parents stay together for awhile and then drift apart.
You kind of have to wonder how many of the fathers of these out-of-wedlock birth are *already* married. From where I sit, it seems like the women who wait until later in their 20s are much more likely to be kicking it with men older than they are anyway. Another evolution of society seems to have been an increase in the percentage of women who have no compunction about being the other woman. (Or maybe they just have less compunction about talking about it.) Obviously, I’m just speculating… and it could be a blue state/red state thing, but from my very-blue-state vantage point, that’s what it looks like to me.
My point here is that the problem of explaining a 3% increase in the percentage of out-of-wedlock births is that one needs to determine if there might be factors that explain the circumstance of only 3% of births in the US (or a substantial fraction thereof). I’m just not sold on the idea that the data validate an interpretation that society is becoming substantially more accommodating of out-of-wedlock births, but that’s a classic chicken and egg thing I guess.
I should add that NPR’s attempts to explain this 3% are really really lame. This post caught my attention cause, having masochistically listened to NPR everyday for the last year, it seems so very odd to me that they get such a pass in the blogosphere. They have explicitly adopted Lakoff as their patron saint.
It can be argued that Clinton-era Republican “welfare reform” took some wind out of the sails of the black-victimizing welfare state, substituting substantial numbers of other ethnicities, meaning: white. Single white suburban males are the new victim group created by special interest. They gots more dough.
Also meaning the effects of this flavor of statism are also trickling up, and are so, ironically, because of equal parts Republican and Democrat social-warping, neither of them just or wholesome. Republicans want drive-by fathering to pay and leftists just want fathering to pay.
Surely the new deal of single parent-inducing nannyism made the numbers back by one means or another. And kudos for a substantial percentage of the black urban population finally rejecting the Jackson’s and Sharpton’s of the world.
As far as college, it’s no secret that males can’t compete on the stacked neo-socialist, gender-feminist social landscape, and numbers for male entrants have plummeted to substantially less than 50% while male performance ratios are equally poor. Again, the unintended/intended consequences of quiet female affirmative action by gender feminist activists. Hell hath no fury like a lobby wishing itself scorned in order to propagandize and therefore profit.
So, putting women in jail for not being married? Sounds like a great idea. Hooray for classical liberalism of the south park conservatives!
What does this high do to the thesis that it was the welfare state that caused out-of-wedlock births? Aren’t we dismantling welfare?
Maybe they don’t see VAWA the way you do. I’m having a hard time with it.