One thing that bothers me, has bothered me for 12 years actually, about the Republicans, is that they don’t know what to do with leadership. Politics is a blood sport and the Republicans have always played like it’s Chutes and Ladders (actually a ruthless game if you get into playing it). They snivel like children. And cry in the corner at perceived unfairness.
So Pelosi wields her barely- there electoral “mandate” as if her party won in a landslide. For all the babbling about working across the isle, does anyone, anywhere believe that the Democrats aren’t going to jam through their progressive agenda even when the electorate voted for them because they campaigned on conservative values? The newly elected “moderates” will be footstools for the old guard and if they imagined something different while campaigning, they’re under no delusions now.
The Republicans just can’t find the gumption to be disliked. The Democrats thrive on hate. It is their fuel and their fire. So the Republicans can continue acting as they always have–as the kick-me party, playing second fiddle to ruthless, ethics-challenged, but winning and leadership wielding opponents. Thomas Sowell says it best:
There is no real question that Democrats are more skilled at politics than the Republicans are. Democrats are more articulate, not to say glib, and they know how to stick together.
You don’t see individual Democrats in the Senate going off to do their own thing in concert with the opposition and against the interest of their own party, as Senator John McCain has done with so-called “campaign finance reform” co-sponsored with ultra-liberal Senator Russ Feingold, and as he attempted to do on immigration with liberal icon Ted Kennedy.
Democrats know better than to betray their base of supporters—welfare state beneficiaries, the teachers’ unions, environmental zealots, the ACLU and tort lawyers—the way the elder President Bush betrayed his supporters who relied on his “no new taxes” pledge and the way the current President Bush betrayed them by attempting to create amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants.
Republicans have too often forgotten the old-time admonition to the girl going to a party, to always remember to “dance with the one who brung you.”
Will the next two years strengthen their spine? Eating shit sandwiches gets awfully tiring, but the Republicans actually seem to enjoy it.
I’m glad somebody finally said it, Melissa.
The Republicans just can’t find the gumption to be disliked. The Democrats thrive on hate.
Exactly. The Tolerant Left has no problem with the inherent intolerance that underlies their hatred.
Palomino!
Hold on. It’s been 6 days since the election.
The democrat’s ‘mandate’ consists of 0.0051% of the votes. Nothing has actually been ‘done’ yet. All I see is a lot of hot air, gloating and hand wringing.
I agree today’s democrats thrive on hate. I fear for the worst, but let’s see what the new congress tries to do in it’s first one-hundred days. By then we will know.
I despise what today’s democrats represent, I voted against them. However, I wasn’t that thrilled with the republicans either.
Except for their attitudes towards the war on terror, I don’t really see too much difference between them.
Before 1994, the Republicans actually made sense.
That would be a happy place to return to…
Vote to confirm John Roberts to the Supreme Court: Republicans (56-0)—Democrats (22 -22)
Cloture vote on Sam Alito’s nomination to the Supreme Court: Republicans (54-0)—Democrats (19-25)
Vote on Authorization to use military force in Iraq: Republicans (48-1)—Democrats – (29-21)
Cloture vote on Bankrupty Bill: Republicans (55-0)—Democrats (14-30)
Cloture vote on nomination of Priscilla Owens to appeals court: Republicans (55-0)—Democrats (25-18)
Military Commissions Act: Republicans (53-1)—Democrats (12-33)
How on Earth could you possibly get the idea that the Republicans “don’t know what to do with leadership”? They’ve been a rubber stamp for the Bush administration and you know it.
The Repubs have never had that warm soothing security blanket of the MSM to gloss over hardball tactics and obstructionism on their part. Anyone remember how the government shutdown played in the media? Or the more recent compare and contrast episode that was Foley vs. Studds?
An unlevel playing field makes for some mighty poor tactical options. Conversely the Dems know that their lapdogs and waterboys in the MSM will gloss over much and flat out avoid the truly problematic.
AJB,
You prove my point. If the Dems were in charge, votes on court justices and judges would be 100-0.
Republicans are always trying to be viewed as “reasonable” by the Media and Washington insiders. Democrats, secure in their love, don’t give a baboon’s butt.
The Republicans should be secure in the hate they’ll receive and let it go and do the right thing anyway. They flinch too often.
Both political parties in America today accept the morality of altruism, as do the great majority of the American people. Altruism is the morality that holds that the essence of virtue is self-sacrifice for the sake of others. Why is this a virtue? No answer is ever given except to claim that anyone who disagrees must be a selfish monster that advocates sacrificing others for the sake of fulfilling his own needs.
Few people want to practice altruism in the sense of actually sacrificing their interests, but fewer still can stand up to the torrent of screams to the effect that you are a selfish, mean, heartless monster if you oppose it.
Thus, altruism divides mankind into two camps: those who are expected to do the sacrificing, and those who get to be the beneficiary of the sacrifice. Hosts and parasites, if you will. In reality, the way this works out is fairly simple. The productive are taxed—that is the sacrifice they are expected to make—and the non-productive get to receive the benefits of this sacrifice.
Over time, a long list of groups have come forth to capitalize on the morality of altruism by claiming to be “in need†and therefore worthy of being the beneficiary of someone else’s sacrifice. These groups include blacks that want racial preferences in hiring, labor unions that want to force wages above market, feminists that want sexual preferences in hiring and promoting, Hispanics wanting free healthcare and free education, the poor that seek free housing, free food and free healthcare, the elderly that seek free healthcare, educational unions that seek to remain free of competition, etc.
What do all of these groups have in common? Two things:
1) They seek material benefits that they either cannot achieve on the free market or would have to work hard for—instead, they want the power of government to get these things for them. And altruism provides the excuse and cover. Under altruism, any one “in need†may demand anything, and no one dares to deny them.
2) They overwhelmingly vote Democratic and are the core of the Democratic party’s support.
Thus, the Democrats have come to represent those who expect to cash in on altruism by demanding that government loot the productive to pay for all the things they “need“. The Democratic party is the party of the parasites.
The Republican party, meanwhile, has attempted to be the defender of those stuck on the other side of altruism‘s divide— those who are expected to do the sacrificing: the taxpayers, most especially the upper income taxpayers who are now paying an overwhelming percentage of federal taxes. The Republicans are the party of the hosts, those expected to put up with an unlimited amount of blood-sucking parasites.
But since the Republicans do not challenge altruism, since they accept it as a moral ideal just as the Democrats do, they are morally undercut. They cannot contest the right of these groups to demand that the taxpayers sacrifice their income—because altruism says that to be moral one must be willing to make such sacrifices.
The Republicans know that they are holding the losing hand—that morality demands not that they defend their constituency against these claims, but that they urge them to give in. So they try to strike a compromise. They try to limit or control the extent to which these demands are met.
This is the fundamental reason why Republicans are always timid toward the Democrats and why they are always compromising and giving away ever more of the taxpayer’s money: They know that, in principle, according to the morality of altruism, the Democrats have the moral high ground.
“Compassionate Conservatism” was the final, ultimate capitulation, as President Bush sought to buy as many of these sacrifice-accepting groups away from the Democrats as possible. Hence, massive farm subsidies, massive education spending, massive new entitlements program, etc. Tax cuts were thrown as a bone to keep the sacrificial lambs quiet in the hope that they would not realize that a tax cut in the face of a massive spending increase is a fraud.
The Republicans will not be able to stand up to the Democrats until they can reject the morality of altruism.
Libertarian, Michael?
So basically the Republicans should do what moderates and conservatives tell them to do and tell the MSM and Socialists disguising themselves as Democrats to go fuck themselves.
I like that.
You prove my point. If the Dems were in charge, votes on court justices and judges would be 100-0.
Huh? The data provided by AJB doesn’t support that proposition at all.
WTF? Uhm “compassionate conservatism” GWB elected and he’s done nothing but govern to the far-right. I would call this post some kind of weirded out projection, but I think it’s even more messed up than that.
I’m glad the rightwing found their proper level of whining about being oppressed again, though. And look on the bright side– you don’t have to blame everything on Clinton anymore! I mean, that was getting way past the sell by date.
Whats the problem monkyboy? Not sure what set of talking points to use?
I believe a good “hehe” is appropriate here…
– Micheal, if thats a nice way to paraphase the nanystate, race baiting, class baiting, victimhood, zerp defense of the country, handing out money like Santa Claus to anyone that will vote for them agenda of the Dems, “Spot on”. everyone that works everyday for a living has a perfect right to tell anyone thats physically, and mentally able, but choose’s to play
needy” to go fuck themselves. Something people seem to never learn is you can’t help anyone else if you yourself are dragged down in the crap. that right there is the silosophy of Communistic Socialism, and if you don’t see that monkyfart, you’re either in the “artificial needy” group looking for a free ride, or a free society, state loving, defeatist ass.
Would that be “The Isle of Misfit Toys” we will “work across” in the coming years?
Watch that tricky punctuation, nate-dogg.
Allow me:
There. Perfect.
Obviously, you couldn’t even define far right.
Is it possible that while Democrats are driven by ideology, flawed or otherwise, our elected Republicians are more interested in advancing their own ambitions (exhibit A, John McCain) and wouldn’t dare take any action that might jeopardize their cushy jobs.
A “hehe” is indeed appopriate whenever someone uses the government funded internets to decry government spending.
Bonus comedy points if it’s someone employed at a government funded school doing the posting.
– Bonus points indeed, because I wouldn’t be risking much to guess that Democrats are, by far, the largest group on the total public dole. Over to you bonehead.
Canuk,
You might have a point there. I do think that the Republicans thought they could buy votes through appropriations (Pork) ala the Democrats. They forgot that by doing that they violated one of the principles of conservatism–small government.
I have to laugh about Bush catering to the far-right. If only.
Well, hes technically not a democrat anymore.
But it really is a weird world where the GOP doesn’t know politics. What have they been, lucky for the last 12 or so years?
“Welfare” is actually a rather small percentage of government spending, BBh.
The “Defense” department spends more every two weeks than our annual welfare payments.
Who, exactly, is on the public “dole” is really just a matter of opinion.
– Exactly Melissa. Bush and the admin. thought they could moderate their approach to everything, leaning to the Left, most prominently allowing the Dems to hijack the SS reform, undertrooping the Iraq after/war occupation, taking exactly the oppisite position of the vast majority of Americans on border enforcement, and getting next to nothing done in Congress.
– Through all of this, the Dems were barely able to muster a small gridlocked majority. A simple direct, inescapable message from the electorate, they’ll dutifully ignore as thay always do.
Not for YEARS, monkyshines, and that ISP bill you pay every month proves it!
And I wonder if a ‘hehe’ would be similarly appropriate when you use the DARPA-designed Intertubes to denounce the military…
TW: next37
“Who, exactly, is on the public “dole†is really just a matter of opinion.”
– Just because your side uses this idiocy of “Oh well you can’t really tell anyway, so whats the difference” bullshit temporizing, it really isn’t hard, but that would undermine your welfare is really an evil word, that doesn’t exist.
– Pretty simple really. Is what you’re dragging out of the labors of others earned or isn’t it. Could it be if you choose to, or are you trully unable.
– Two simple questions even an idiot like you could answer readily, but you won’t.
– And don’t run that shit about the annual cost. there’s so many “special interest” payouts that do not get counted as “dole”, you’re safe in hiding behind that crap, but again it doesn’t make it so. you convieniently leave out the State handouts, only addressing the Fed. Even that is wrongly stated to protect your pork barrels. If you add in the States, like Cal, it’s a all out rip off of the taxpayer.
– That is the principle reason you assholes fight tooth and nail against SS reform. It would dry up one of your favorite pork barrels. All the arguments you use against it are outrigh6t lies to scare the elderly into voting against it. The Republicans are weeny ass’s enough to let you get away with it.
Even the Washington Generals won one once…
But those spent by Departments that have no basis in Constitutional mandates make up a far larger total. Why, SSA and HHS make up roughly half the budget all by themselves, and BOTH of them are larger than the Department of Defense.
But, hey, who needs facts when you’re on a roll, eh?
TW: which explains why you are wrong daily75
But they didnt’ get to have majorities in all 3 branches of government.
Aw man. Ring that bell! ring it!
Social Security is hardly “welfare” BBh.
Neither is Medicare.
They are funded through payroll taxes…
– The point of what I possted sailed right through your empty skull as usual. SS is not welfare. Duuuuuhhhhhhhh. Of course not twit. But all the slush funding it gets used for, outside of SS, more often than not IS, and that’s why the left fights against reform so fucking hard. I’ll repeat for your benefit, this time pay attention. Reforming SS, so that’s an individual account, barred from any other use, would dry up one of your favorite pork barrels. No try reading that slowly, and see if you can comprehend. You lie, and hide behind the fact that the average elderly voter doesn’t know that’s what you’re really up to. Now try responding to the point, instead of sophomoric nattering, or mimicking actus, who always finds some vacuous comment to change the subject.
They fight against ‘reform’ because ‘reform’ is code for ‘cuts.’ And also for not paying back the social security trust fund. Which has the effect of being a retroactive regressive shift in taxes.
– actus that’s total disembling bullshit. Read what was proposed by the majority of leading economists. Every aspect of the current system would be protected during the changeover period. Totally voluntary. Not one fucking person woould lose a single dime in benefits. Not one. why don’t you admit the truth?
– You do realize asshole, that you’re arguing aginst an almost guarenteed multiplication of your benefits, with a minimum of what you would have gotten had you done nothing. That’s pretty stupid, even for a psuedo elitist.
Isn’t how the Democrats will choose to allocate the nearly $3 trillion a year the federal government spends “the topic” BBh?
Doesn’t your opinion about how the government should allocate those dollars decide your vote?
I’d say the Republican’s attempt to loot Social Security cost them more votes than Iraq during the last election.
Nothing would please me more than to see them try to turn over Social Security funds to their pals on Wall street again.
Whats the proposal you’re talking about? the bush privatization one?
So how many economists are talking about this ‘almost guaranteed’ free money? how ‘almost’?
I thought at first this post was a too-clever satire of a left wing blog rant about those mean yet effective and disciplined Repubs. Boy was I wrong. How the fuck do you geniuses think the Rs held onto all 3 branches of govt during some of the most incredibly partisan times in a generation? And the House and Senate 6 years before that? Here’s a clue – it wasn’t because they are too nice. Christ you guys are in denial.
monkeybag – It must be true what they say about teaching self-interest, and economics to a SecProgg is like teaching a pig to dance.
– Your arguments against boil down to you don’t want to see people that have no hand in directly benefitting you turn a profit. It’s total short sighted stupidity. If you were retired, living on SS, and you knew you turned down the choice that would have put you in a position to collect, at a minimum, very conservatively calculated, 20% taxfree, could you be anymore self-destructive than to slam the door on your own thumb because you just don’t like those bastards on Wall street making money. I give up. You really are a classical free enterprise, free market, class warfare asshole.
So monkyspunk, you dishonest, parsing, backtracking little twat, did you want to so much as suggest the goal of government hasn’t been to increase dependency these past few decades?
And when this dependency-making system is finally perfected under the American Socialist Democrats, exactly what will we have then?
Hehe, BBh.
What “20% tax free” would that be?
Don’t bother arguing economics with monky, 6Gun.
He’s in the 2+2=5 and that Wall Street sure is EVILE camp.
Social Security got looted decades ago, and if major changes aren’t made soon your children and grandchildren are going to be cursing your ignorant ass to their graves. Did you shitheads get angry when the Democrats were giving Clinton standing ovations for talking about the need for reform? Didn’t think so.
I thought at first you were a wannabe who was too stupid to even know how to troll. I was right.
– The “profits” on the portion of your SS set-aside asshole. Exactly the same as your 401K. You do know about that terrible set-aside, using your mental brain dead thinking. As a matter of fact, the existing short fall would be made up very quickly, since everyone would pay a small percentage of their windfall back into the general fund. No. You don’t like it because it removes the SS slush bucket from your tax and spend clutches. Pure and simple, and we all lose because of it. the most absurd thing about your fighting against it is, it would take a lot of pressure off of other tings like the entire medical fuckup on general, because with healthier incomes, retiree’s would not be so desperately dependent on the government, and we all know that would go exactly against your nannystate agenda. You’re full of shit monkey. Just say you don’t want it, and stop lying.
Just a reality-based guy asking for some facts, wishbone.
We can’t afford an Iraq-style “victory” with Social Security.
If BBh has a “make 20% tax free, ask me how” pitch, I’d love to hear it, though.
I hear that, wishbone. I’m just working my way around to demanding monkyspunk tell me where he got the fucking right to have his crooked, poo-flinging little shrieking cage-mates meddle with my personal finances by way of legislation put upon me involuntarily and have the monkydick to call it just. Last I checked, morally that was considered theft and extortion.
So you want a lockbox. How lefty.
– You just did twit. Your anti-Capitalism is beyond stupid.
What is?
– Independent control of your own earned income is Lefty. Alriiiiiight then. We have a weiner.
Huh?
Last I heard, we were going to have to borrow the money to be put into “private” accounts offa the Chinese…
– It’s simple 6G. Goes back to the whole panalope of Socialiam. It’s your doooty to hand it out gratis to the less inclined to work in our society because, well just because. Legalities, and Constitutional rights are just clever ruse’s of the evil Conservatives.
From the font of all wisdom, Wikipedia. Works for me … because it defines you moonbat Che-wannebees to a tee:
Check that 2+2=957908240987509742309847 according to monky because he just interjected the friggin Chinese into the equation.
Again.
Econ 101 at any community college would do wonders for you, monky. And I’ll take my 401k over your SS any day.
– The absolute “kiss of death”, stake through the heart of Socialism, is “independence”. Anything you try to do that lifts the general populace above dependency in the slightest, the Nannystaters will fight to the death.
Okay, moonbats, pick one:
1. “…those who rejected the capitalist system as fundamentally anti-social, arguing that it could never be harnessed to effectively realize the fullest development of human potentialities wherein “free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.”
2. “…those who believed that capitalism was essentially just, that capitalists for the most part merited their privileged status, and that the system, including the leadership of the capitalist, was required to generate wealth while ensuring economic freedom and the appropriate material incentives for individuals to serve the common wealth.”
Melissa, you are so right. I’m fairly new to the party. The first thing I noticed is how quickly the republicans throw someone under the bus. The Trent Lott thing was stupid. I liked Tom Delay. He’d appear on the news and I loved his soundbites. His nickname, the Hammer, told me that he was good at his job. As far as I can tell, he was charged with a crime that was NOT a crime at the time he did it. Hmmmm… I see a pattern here. Effective Republicans are targeted by dems and the party throws them under the bus. Then, they go on about how they’ve taken the high road. Piffle. That faux high road leads republicans straight to the street– outside, looking in while the dems line up the next one.
Pelosi and Reid will install crooks like Alcee Hastings without batting an eye.
– The Left is trully breath-taking in their paranoia driven mental state, to the point where they decline to even so much as study propositions, simply because it might benefit those evil wall street money people. It’s unbridled self imposed ignorance, that’s hard to believe, even as you watch it roll along every day.
– The Unions are the same way. they decline, nay destroy sll propositions, even when they might actually take some control away from management, and insure a greater possible success for the company. why. they don’t understand, or believe in the underlying precipts on the one hand, and they want to hang onto power. Notice neither of these agenda’s address the good of the “workers paradise” in the slightest way.
– Down through the years a few companies have broken away from the anti-worker conflicts and gridlock between the waring parties. Lincoln Electric was one such company, basing everything on worker investments, and incentive production.
For years people would fight to get hired there. Unfortunately, people driven by scare politics on both sides of the devide, are kept from learning the sorts of things that could really benefit them so much more, by both sides that just covet power and control. Nice. P|rivate ownership and independence is the answer, and will therefor be fought against and lied about in every possible way by both sides. To bad for us.
when the correct answer is 2+2= “how ever much money i want to print.”
While you’re mulling over how not to answer, moonbats, allow me to play you some Irish dinner music…
And the greatest irony for our moonbat friends? That since Keynes was debunked, their benevolent and precious government spending on medicine in places like Ireland has risen substantially under anti-collective policies.
Reagan was absolutely right.
This is what I mean when I find our Leftist-Progressives culturally and socially intolerant. They’ll oppress their own victim groups just to hold the mindless party line of failed First Effects. Even when the evidence is against them.
That again? actuse must be thinking of starting the world’s first socialist-masochist party….
Once again, no actual facts from the faith-based “economists” here.
Wave a few flags, quote a few lines of scripture and *poof* a 20% tax free return for all Americans!
Don’t think crap like that will go over too big in 2008, either…
– The Left totally ignores that word “incentives”. It’s not normally absolutely necessary to insist on visable incentives, both because some are inherent, such as feeding your family with a paycheck, and the fact that many people find creative ways to find other incentives within the system.
– But when you take the socialist road of, “Ok you have two cows, and the guy next door doesn’t have one, so give him one of your’s, and shut up your whining, its the law, or it’s the right thing to do”, you fuck up even those enherent incentives, and the system comes crashing down.
– That’s the fatal flaw in Socialism, that they never want to recognize or deal with, even if it wasn’t based on illegal theft. The Left can do that because they see the “commonwealth” as a naturally occuring “golden magic egg”, which is self-serving to their agenda.
It also happens that national defense is one of the few legitimate provinces of government and welfare isn’t. Coincidence?
WTF? Far Right?
Are you nuts, or just a simpleton? You really think the Depublicans (Yes. I spelled it like that on purpose) got thrown out for governing from the far-right?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The Depublicans got thrown out for acting like Democrats. If they are smart enough to learn anything, it will be that they screwed themselves.
Do you know why Reagan was so popular?
It was because he stuck to his Conservative guns, unlike Bush, who has time and time again proved himself to be more “the acorn from the tree” than Reaganesque.
It’s too bad. He had our loyalty, but I know mine started to slip (badly) when he signed that huge bite out of the First Amendment (Am I supposed to capitalize that?) called the McCain Feingold Bill. NO FUCKING BALLS!!
How could he have possibly believed that those left wing idiots would reject it? For a hundred years the USSC has looked at our Constitution as a Socialist Manifesto.
And the border? Why is Bush afraid of MEXICO?
A lot of this disatisfaction was with Iraq, but a huge majority of the people in this country want a change in course, not “cut and run”.
We “cut and run” in Viet Nam, and 2,000,000 (at least) died in the ensuing years,
If we cut and run in Iraq, Viet Nam and Cambodia will look like my 7 year old son’s birthday party. Not only that, but we will be handing Iran and Al Qeda enough room to start the “New Caliphate”. Beautiful. You need to read up on Pol Pot.
Tell me. What is in your cranium? Chipped beef?
Tell you what. If Conyers, Pelosi, Reid, and Dean have their way, the Demasocialist party is gone before they can blink an eye. John Murtha as Speaker? Give me a fuckin’ break. If that happens, the Sociocrats are out of power before you can say “Boo”.
Happy intellectualism, my friend. When you find an Islomo-dick up your nether parts, think of PW, and the people here who are trying so hard to prevent that – with elan, no less.
TW: didn’t……DID TOO!
This from the guys who are pissing away $600 billion of taxpayer money a year on an impotent military?
Looks like Afghanistan and Iraq are “investments” that are really gonna pay off, BBh.
You want guarentees monkey, because you know that’s the only real argument you have left., and even that’s stupid because any reform would be exactly as viable as the one we already have, no less, no more, because they are both based on exactly the same confidence in the finacial system of america. the more you post the dumber you look. You could give everyone a coronary just by being honest for a change and saying you hate the idea of people having direct control of their own earned income. too much for a SecProgg to swallow though. It would definately fuck up some of your “wealth redistribution” ploys.
Not that it will matter to monky, but some of you might like this.
Looks like Afghanistan and Iraq are “investments†that are really gonna pay off, BBh.
– I guess either you think the entire WOT thing is a joke, or you don’t care whether your grandkids have to wear Burqua’s and live under Sharia’. Probably both.
– See, denying the war even exists, lets you off the “I’m sure a insufferable self-loving prick”, I don’t give a shit about future generations. I’ll be dead. There you have it. The “TRUE” face of the average SecProgg, and everything they say, do, and stand for. “Me”
– You act is transperant, and total self-serving bullshit monkey.
He bought his popularity. With debts clinton worked to repay.
Why don’t you explain, for once, exactly how the “terrorists” are going to take over America, BBh?
Are the going to invade us?
Win control of the government through elections?
Lead some kind of revolution?
Interesting link, B Moe, but it doesn’t seem to be a viable plan to replace SS:
http://www.cbpp.org/6-2-05socsec2.htm
Anybody that has random drug testing at work need to leave, you could fail just breathing the smoke in here about now.
Then why engage them in discussion?
There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to ever acknowledge anything either of them ever says so why even talk to them? Just ignore them. That’s always the best method with Leftists. Always.
Neither acturd or monkyspunk have answered my question. I’m going to have to assume their philosophy from this point forward.
Think it makes any sense to ask either to cite sources? monkyspunk blows right past the numbers in this thread and just makes his up, and acturd just asserts bullshit.
With these braintrusts running the anti anti-Reality Partyâ„¢ effort, I’m going to have no choice but just keep believing that reality is just as safe as it ever was. In conservative-libertarian hands.
Compassionate Conservatism.
Why should he when he wields the mighty power of Mindless Rhetoric? The screeching about Socialists is pretty quaint, too. Boogeymen everywhere… It must be hard for these kiddos to sleep at night.
Aaah, yes 6gun.
Accuse others of doing what you are doing.
Again, didn’t fly last election, won’t fly in 2008, either.
I y’all have some numbers that show how all Americans can earn 20% tax free, I’d love to see them…
If you had a brain, you wouldn’t share that info. You’d just borrow money at current rates and invest.
Better question, fool: What does the Dhimmicrat Party—now that it’s inherited the globe’s wellbeing and with it its own worst nightmare—plan to deal with last week’s news that three terrorist organizations were already in the US and that for a lousy $10M, any of them could assemble a device within our borders.
If you like, add to that the fact that the Chavez regime was found to be aiding the trafficing of extremists across the unprotected border at Mexico, and just for grins, that Iraq had indeed had ties with Al Qaeda?
See, I’m already willing and able to sacrifice for the worthy cause of US sovereignty. The question is, are the Democrats?
And are you willing to stake my life on what will certainly, absolutely, assuredly turn out to be the very real, very hard consequences of not acting as a nation while we still can?
The irony of your being arrogant enough to adopt as your right and problem my economic and now my physical security is not lost on me.
I suggest that for your own good, you’re damn right, neighbor. There was a time when pride and honor would shut up a skunk like you in your tracks.
What have I not done, child?
Maybe if the Republicans had come up with a better plan to actually defend American sovereignty, 6gun, they’d still be running things.
Nobody but true believers think what we’re doing in Afghanistan and Iraq is making America safer.
The fact that it’s cost over $500 billion so far just makes those fiascos that much worse…
Well it seems like more of the same is out of the question. Perhaps we could fight them over there so we don’t fight them over here?
monkey – Any 1st year frosh would be able to figure out the simple 4% APR interest, ( well below even the most pesimistic Lefturd economists figures), on my accummulated SS over my 48 years of full time employment. The difference of what I’d have in the bank, and be taking home per month over what I actually get, make me ill. Go fuck yourself you anti-America commie shithead.
Does that ‘first year frosh’ also factor in inflation? And how does that ‘first year frosh’ pay for current social security needs if the money that is used to pay it is busy someowhere getting 4% risk free returns?
I am done. I start out playing just for fun, then wind up chasing them completely off topic while they race off on random tangents.
My name is B Moe, and I’m a trollaholic.
I’ve already heard that yawning Dhimmicrat rhetoric, monkyspunk. Did you think your repeating that noise would make it actually mean something?
I asked you what the plan was. Had you chatted with Kerry lately? I’m told he has a plan.
Of course, we all know there is no plan—The CC has the only plan but you mouthy kids can’t handle the cost of war, can you? You can’t even handle the timeframe. Or facing the causes, the opposing ideology, or with them, the likely outcome, which isn’t something likely to be “won”, child, in your video game lifetime.
The Left just inherited its worst nightmare. Bush hasn’t the political strength to keep trying to reason sense with your ilk. Frankly, why the hell should he: The entire deal was pure partisan politics. And now you got handed what you thought you wanted. Now’s when things start going from bad to worse.
On the issue, you are therefore full of shit, and the silence from the recent, formerly-mouthy Left is ample proof. Have a nice day.
Depends on whether you invested in stocks like Enron along the way or not, BBh.
It also depends on how long you’ll live after you retire…
Disagree. It’s management, not leadership. And politics is keeping yourself in management.
In ‘94, the Dems stunk at management and also got themselves outplayed at politics.
The current Dems have few skills at management and also have got too long a way to go in politicking based on their recent history for the MSM to explain them. Speak to that instead.
Frankly, I don’t want to see the Reps become sniping, whining Schumers. Good conservative management skills brought em in and will bring them back.
Now, i’ll be the first to say that bush doesn’t “reason sense.” But i don’t think its due to lack of political strength.
– actass, that is such a typical dumbass comment, showing exactly how you don’t kncrap about ecomomics, I’m just going to let it sit there in all it’s splendor. You want to sit there and stick a knife in my back with bullshit non-arguments, that seem like points, and tell me yopu know it’s good for me.
– You’re just as fucked in the head as monkey. You’re both useless idiotarians.
Inflation works on Social Security benefits too. In fact, if the return on Social Security is lower than the inflation rate (which us survivors of the late ‘70s know is all too possible), even a third-grader knows that’s a bad deal.
So, you’re acknowledging that Social Security isn’t the “lockbox” type of program its defenders have always claimed it to be?
…6Gun just said it, although you use the word “ilk.” Plz, don’t use.
– I already covered that McGehee. No response.
– It’s the “Oh nooooo, we can’t trust the green car. Lets take the blue one instead”. It’s total frothing at the mouth Left-speak.
– What it comes down to, is these fuckers like actass and monkey want to tell me how to spend my money, because they know so much better. funny they weren’t there lending any fucking hands while I was making it.
TW: that word
Then why engage them in discussion?
There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to ever acknowledge anything either of them ever says so why even talk to them? Just ignore them. That’s always the best method with Leftists. Always.
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on 11/14 at 01:16 AM
Good that you brought that up. There has recently been some talk (on the Left) that it may be the right time to shut down all dialogue with the Right. The idea behind this appears to be that it would allow those of you on the Right to continue isolating and marginializing yourselves. (Not to mention that it would give the Left a welcome respite from having to continually correct all the misinformation, propaganda, and confused thought that seems to emanate without let-up from the Right.)
Once again, another person who thinks that there is a big pile of money in the arena and that it is finite. Ahhh! Don’t we just love the new millenium?
Here’s the truth.
The tax cuts have RAISED the income of the Treasury, created millions of jobs, and raised individual wages. The debit, though large in dollars, as a percentage, is less than America’s historical median.
Here’s a clue. Whenever we have had a recession or depression, the government has ALWAYS spent more money to jump-start the economy. You know what happens then? The deficit goes up. No kidding! If you are capable of reading financial charts (which I doubt), you could actually take an adventure and find out for yourself! Wow! You might even find that the recession that Bush inherited began when Bill Clinton attacked MicroSoft. THAT VERY DAY! It was in April of ‘99. IF you can find and read the Street charts.
Not very likely, I’d have to guess.
You need to go bsck to your Game Boy. It’s all done before you start – just like in real life, huh?
If you wish to be REALLY worried about something, check out the national debt. Forget the “deficit”. Every president since who-knows-when has added to the national debt.
The deficit is just a smoke screen, as ALL administrations jump through hoops to keep you from noticing the NATIONAL DEBT. THE NATIONAL DEBT!!
Why don’t you try doing crosswords or something, and see if you can develop that atrophied brain of yours?
DOH!
TW: Oh, yes I am. But not half as ill as John Murtha.
– I’m not going to try to educate you anymore actass. You’re simply to indoctrinated and dumb to learn, and your willfull ignorance is at your own expense. Just the same, if you make it to retirement, and the Dems havn’t already run the entire system into the ground, you’ll look back on these discussions and wonder what the fuck you could have been thinking.
This is why you’re so lovely bang. “Inflation! Current obligations! Pshaw! you know nothing! NOTHING!”
I believe they’re indexed. Wage indexed, not CPI indexed.
I’ve heard defenders say it NEEDS a lockbox, not that it has always had one. And I think that word refers to the trust fund, not all payments. It used to be mostly pay as you go, and then there were reforms in the 80’s to turn it into more than that in order to absorb the demographic shocks.
But ‘acknowledge’? Everyone knows current workers pay current retirees and then also into the trust fund. Well, everyone who knows what they’re talking about. Which might not be the case around here.
I don’t appreciate the Republicans pissing away my tax money in Iraq, BBh.
Does that make you guys “anti-American Commies,” too?
I think it does…
At least you’ll get your SS money back when you retire, the money you guys have blown in Iraq…we’ll never see it again.
I think that makes you guys worse than Commies.
“I think that makes you guys worse than Commies.”
– We know you think anything that defends our country is “worse”. Why the fuck don’t you just pack up and leave this terrible place?
Yep–I’d be anonymous, too, if I tried to pass this off with a straight face:
We call this approach “facts.” Try it some time.
The first hundred days?
Let’s see.
Impeachment, cutting and running from Iraq, raising taxes and expanding government.
And let;s not forget raising taxes.
At least you’ll get your SS money back when you retire, the money you guys have blown in Iraq…we’ll never see it again.
– Let a SecProgg asshole yammer long enough, and sooner or later he does a “Kerry”.
– What happened to all the “War profits”. Is that argument forgotten because it’s Monday?
– You have nothing, you just want to argue, so you can hang onto your ideolog based bullshit anti-American screeds.