Mr. Olbermann:
I couldn’t agree with you more. We need more checks and balances.
I know there is very little we can do as individuals, but we are not powerless to take some steps on our own. For instance, MSNBC might look in its own back yard as a worthy place to start applying checks and balances by airing a greater proportion of conservative and Republican thought. Currently, it airs none. This would go far in re-establishing your intellectual honesty and might even start to create an illusion of modest journalistic impartality and integrity.
Your station is all Anti-Administration all the time. The philosophy you shriek over America’s airwaves 24/7 is 99% far Left liberalism: Anti-Bush, Anti-Republican, Anti-War on Terror and Anti-Military. It is consistently Pro-Democrat, Pro-Terrorist and Pro Anything That Injures the United States. Often my only consolation is that your kids live here, too.
More checks and balances at your network might help you increase your ratings by giving it broader appeal. Plus, the fresh influx of unbiased, objective information might even illuminate the darkness of your own mind, baffled as it is by the constant onslaught of Leftist propaganda under which it suffers daily.
Best regards,
Ahem
I have yet to see a single person in the MSM write about checks and balances and have a clue what it is actually about.
One party rule has never worked well in this country. Also, there is no comparing a stupid network with the three branches of the government. I am a conservative and believe that the government MUST have strong checks and balances. That, up until lately, has been a conservative viewpoint. Tonight remember that there are many like me who have left this president and congress in disgust and who voted for the winds of change.
wow…you are so off base it is staggering.
1st – msnbc is way to the right in it’s programming. tucker carlson, joe scarlbourough (sp?) are blatant right wingers. chris matthews show leans right…look at the roster of guests and the things he says. i believe olberman is excluded from tonights election coverage.
2nd – you define far-left liberalism as: Anti-Bush, Anti-Republican, Anti-War on Terror and Anti-Military. please – give me the name of anyone who is against the war on terror? i know plenty who are against the incompetent manner in which this administration is waging that war. that is not the same. give me the name of anyone who is anti-military. i know of plenty of people who are against the administrations foreign policies. that is not the same thing no matter how badly you wish to conflate them.
youur idea of unbiased information seems to be the unfiltered talking points put out by the rnc.
hopefully some day you will be able to explain to your kids how you supported the dismantling of the republic.
They are impervious to any thought other than their own: it’s like intellectual socialism. And it suffers from a corresponding lack of competiton just as economic socialism does. Their intellectual life is stagnant.
jay k: In the best of all possible worlds, we’d get a balance of about 50-50 left-right. Right now, it’s about 80-20 left-right on most media stations except Fox–and that’s a conservative estimate. Even journalists on the Left admit this. Read Hugh Hewitt’s recent interview with Halperin, the head of news at ABC. Frankly, I’d just settle for 60-40 left-right.
Sorry, you lose a turn.
Actually, unless someone intercedes for intellectual diversity soon, you’ll be enjoying that privledge. I hate to suggest this to you, but you wouldn’t believe the blather you’re spouting unless you’d been brainwashed by constant Leftist propaganda all your life. I’m old enough to remember when the MSM was relatively dispassionate. Now, they’re like the Soviet Union: if they disagree with you, they disappear you or villify you.
Look, I take no joy in this. I want all our kids to have access to the entire world of ideas–even those I disagree with. But it has to include all ideas.
The MSM claiming constitutional virtues as their own in order to bolster their wild-eyed “patriotic” standing in the political community is equal comedy gold. What a shameless ruse. What a pack of liars.
Imagine. Limited government from the socialists.
Heh. The “dismantling of the republic”. Does that come with stirring music?
Imagine. Limited government from
theyou socialists.…—…
ahem;
Of course, 40 years of Democratic rule in Congress was an exercise in political benevolence, at least as far as entitlements and stupidly run wars are concerned.
Guess what, jay special k, you have your point of view, we have ours. The republic survives, leaves change color, the friggin’ Philly Eagles choke again and life goes on. It is beyond tiresome to hear you lefties rant and rave about every policy difference as some kind of historical Ghenghis Kahn moment. Could the detention camps be far behind? All of you need to get over yourselves. If I can find some peace with the laughable “War on Poverty” then anyone can achieve “serenity now” (except for ahem, who is a little agitated today. BTW, I was in my reasonable happy place this morning and you just had to bring Olbermann in. Consider yourself bitch slapped.)
Chris Matthews, right of center? Tip O’Neill’s former errand boy? If your center is swifttacked to Al Franken’s ass, maybe. Both Joe and Tucker are fairly marginalized on that network. I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as ahem makes it out to be, but please stop with the right of center garbage. There is nothing more laughably, ridiculously, insanely idiotic than listening to the left complain about the MSM. Good gravy, man, come complain to me when the Gray (senile) Lady endorses a ‘Thug for President (sound of pigs flying overhead and Goldstein sober at a blogfest.)
Try spending less time on overheated, breathless ‘Thug ranting and more time helping your side develop a, oh I don’t know, maybe a series of coherent policy positions.
Hint on that: BushBurtonchimpyhead sucks! does not qualify as a policy position. Try again…
I swore to myself that I would not do this, but I think some one needs to say this in a way that even morons can understand.
Say, hypothetically, I am looking for something. That thing is hidden amoung a BILLION other identical things. How then, am I to find this? The first method that comes to mind is to go and look for it. Not really practical, as the magnitude of this task is beyond the time and material constraints placed by the size and resources available to us. The second method is to let the things we seek come to us. The third method is to do nothing. The fourth is to have some one else seek it out.
The most practical,(to me), is to set up in a central area, expose yourself and wait. Not something everyone can do, but it has a higher probability of sucess, as well as, a higher risk.
I am waitng for ANYONE else to recognise that what is being refered to as a failure is a common and successful tactic used for centuries to bring an enemy out of hiding to fight.
J how would YOU go about finding an enemy that hides amoung women and children? He lies, rapes, murders indescriminatly. Murder for the sake of intimidation. To supress anyone that would question his power. You can only talk with some one that is willing to listen.
truing65
Bill:
Spot on! I have never bought the whole “we create terrorists like Doritos by being in Iraq” argument (ht to Karl.) While the left wails about civilian and US military casualties (usually in that order) and rends their hair about all the people that hate us, those very terrorist organizations are having to spend men, material and resources in Iraq that they would rather spend elsewhere.
I wish that our admin had been better prepared to deal with the aftermath of the military victory, but Saddam was no dummy. Now that we’ve worked our way through that, know the enemy and finish the job.
The only Liberal on MSNBC is Keith O. The only Liberal before him on cable was Phil Donohue, and they got rid of him when we attacked Iraq, though he had pretty good ratings.
Somebody call Captain Ahab—we’ve sailed into veritable sea of Moby’s.
Speaking of the elections, let’s just come out and say it: Democrats = Socialists.
The entire Democrap party experience is about vilifying the opposition, moral and intellectual baselessness, wealth redistribution by force (elsewhere called theft) elitism, intolerance, and yes, the fine art of thuggery, their chronic “Rethuglican” slurs notwithstanding.
Little jay k here, the latest in a long line of children without capital letters or the sense God gave mud, parrots this rubbish, presumably thinking it’s belevolent government. And that it’s not his eeevil stereotypical Rethuglican Administration, replete with phantom menaces Cheny, Rumsfeld, et all.
Erect those imaginary images, Socialist Democrats, and vote against em! You be patriots! You be constitutionalists!
While you’d cut the throats out of brown people, criminalize religion, steal wealth, oppress industry, practice all kinds of cultural intolerance, and generally perfect your victim-dependent speil on no basis whatsoever except that you blindly presume your claimed first effects—they being to Help Government Help the Poor (Stay Poor For as Long as They’re One Of Us)â„¢—actually, in the history of man, ever worked once.
Morons. Arrogant, self-righteous, anti-reality morons. Juvenile, sloppy minds. Anti-history ignorants. The proud Left of Kerry and Clinton and Kennedy and Pelosi and Reid, obvious crooks and dysfunctionals all.
Go vote little jay k. Save the Republic by condemning it to the same fate that eventually overtakes all of them: Collectivism, sloth, greed, and intolerance. That’s your Socialist Democrat Party.
Just ask them. Their actions speak easily as loud as your words.
From hell’s heart, I stab at thy Thugness…
I got up on the wrong side of the polling place too, BJT. What can I say?
JACKBOOTED RETHUGLICAN WHITE MALE PEOPLE!!!11!11!
6gun:
Do what I do. Just blame it on ahem, digitally bitch slap him and move on.
Although: Chris Matthews, right of center. <groan>
Oh, ahem……<whack> Remember, you can’t bitch slap the trolls because that might create an identity crisis…
I think you have it backwards: Olberman provides a small offset to the overwhelming presence of conservative punditry on the radio and television. Liberals have had to endure right-wing vitriol in the mainstream media for years. Suck it up and stop crying.
*voted for the winds of change. *
IN 10 years, I suspect those will be radioactive islamic winds.
We really are going to have a tussle about the MSM consisting of “right-wing vitriol” today.
BWWWWAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHA
you guys need to get those crows to stop pecking at your eyes … and ears … and … um … brain stems …
Well then I think that Liberals should compete in the marketplace and make a commercial go of a leftist talk radio show …oh… <hee hee> .. never mind … <chortle>
Unbelievable! Give these sheep an order and watch them jump! What cowards and liars Republicans are. If you love war so much go and fight it! Oh, and the name calling is so precious. Don’t you know they’re all gay, these Republican chest thumpers. Just look at the nest uncovered in DC. Oh, yeah, they’re takin’ up the wazoo all right. That must be why they’re all so cranky. I hope you all move to Paraguay with Bush.
You’re out of your mind if you believe the mainstream media leans left. They’ve given this Administration and Republican congress carte blanch to lie and deceive for six years straight! Kerry makes a gaff while telling a joke and the press crucifies him for it. Meanwhile, Bush tells boldfaced lies (e.g. “the Democrats want the terrorists to win”; “the Democrats want to raise your taxes”; and these are only from the last few days) without even asking the most obvious follow-ups (e.g. “which democrat said that?”). But not even the cowering press can conceal their incompetence and treachery any longer.
Which brings up another point. Does the truth “lean left”? Is a media that reports the truth “anti-American”? This Administration and Republican congress would have you believe so. But no one is buying their crap any longer.
The Republicans have made their bed. Maybe now, they’ll have to actually lie in it.
*I think you have it backwards: Olberman provides a small offset to the overwhelming presence of conservative punditry on the radio and television.*
ROFL. Conservative punditry on television ? Where ? Fox ? Ok, I’ll give you that one. But do you happen to watch any of the evening news programs on the networks ?
Oh yes, that Katie Couric, she keeps leaning right.
Hey Buck, where do you get your ‘shrooms? I’ll have what you’re having.
Well, boys, it looks like we have us a troll hunt…
In the same comment there’s this:
to be followed by this:
Throw in the goofy punctuation and low brow tone and thinking this person must be about 13 years old. you are just the cutest little thang…
BTW: That nest in DC was Barney Frank’s Retirement Enterprise…
It literally blows my little mind that there are a number of persons arguing that the media doesn’t lean left. They’ve admitted it.
/boggles
ahem wants quotas on right-left coverage in the marketplace of ideas, news coverage and opinion. whaa. there’s is little more objectionable than a whiny titty baby conservative who wants fair and balanced to mean more right-wing specious blather like o’reilly and limbaugh.
Because, in the great political debate that operates at moonbat central, all Republicans do is lie and decieve…every day…for 6 years.
Don’t you want them to win in Iraq? They will if we leave. Don’t you want to repeal the Tax cuts. Oh, I’m sorry, that’s not really a tax increase because it’s a take back that…um..takes more money out of your pocket.
How about this little sign I saw coming into work this morning “Tax cuts only for the rich!” That of course, would be a shameless baldfaced lie.
I don’t know if you know this, but calling an entire group of people liars by…um..telling lies about them does not represent the height of logical discourse.
It does, however, more than meet our expectations. Now run off and play on the KOS street.
Ahem: you fail to understand the concept of checks and balances.
The concept of checks and balances within government is spelled out by the Constitution.
The concept of checks and balances upon the press is *prohibited* by the Bill of Rights.
Matt, Esq.
I’m guessing they mean left from their own point of view, not left of what most of us would acknowledge as the country’s political center of gravity.
It’s like this: I am more conservative than George Bush, so I could jump into comment threads and insist that you’ve got to be joking if you think the country’s been run by the right lately. Most of the administration is left-of-center [center=me, and my friends who agree with me]! Cheney’s the token conservative, that’s it.
If Democrats = Socialists
Then Republicans = Totalitarians
and neither of you have any damn sense what a Democratic Republic should look like.
And “Collectivism, sloth, greed, and intolerance. . “ . . .um . . .your name is 6Gun for God’s sake. . . BJ. . . you like to “bitch-slap” people. . .
I bet both you well-educated geniuses have very large endowments in addition to your obvious cerebral capacity.
(I wonder if that comment is elitist and/or intellectual? You tell me.)
As for policy. . . To start . . .look at what the non-socialist policy has gotten us. You have the burden of defending the past six years of massive debt and comical/incoherent foreign policy, and the dems have the burden of defending what it is they put forward. (Your defense cannot consist of “they have no plans.” While that may be true, you certainly have some ‘splaining to do as well, dipshits.)
As a purely fiscal matter, you may want to take note of the fact that “Socialist” Europe (France, Germany, Spain, Italy) have produced more jobs in the last five years than the U.S. Look it up (you won’t find it on Drudge or hear Rush speak of it).
BTW: I am not a liberal or a conservative or a dem or a rep . . .such labels are for small people (I suppose that is elitist as well. . . but shit I am a neurochemist and an attorney and I could beat both your dittohead asses. . . and I know I get laid more often than you ignorant twits).
Lies, huh?
The Dems may not want the terrorists to win (what political affiliation is Michael Moore and, say, 90% of [“a million Mogadishues”]academia?) but the terrorists want the Democrats to win and they’ve said as much, loser.
The Democrats want to raise taxes and they’ve said as much. cf, Rangel, Charles (D-NY)
Both Joe and Tucker are fairly marginalized on that network. BJ
HUH? That makes no sense. To believe these folks are marginalized is to believe GE puts politics above profit motive. Try again.
The moonbats are here in force! Could it be an omen?
Drink the kool-aid, Lefties!
I can tell by your presence here that the early returns are not promising. Ha ha fucking ha.
Noodle: No chickenhawk memes allowed. Change of possession and loss of down. 10 yard penalty.
ahmed: I’ve seen your titties. They’re even smaller than mine.
. . . and enjoy the subpoenas dittoheads.
Schadenfreude is a bitch.
Cheers.
Please.
What is their respective unemployment rates? Baselines count unless you’re going to only spout meaningless statistics.
But, really, why bother? Europe will cease to exist in it’s present form within the next generation. The internal contradictions of lavish welfare and unsustainable birth rates will take a toll from within. The unassimilated Muslim immigration will take a toll from without.
It’s more fun when everyone who posts here agrees with you, huh?
The Daou Report link to this thread. That may explain the increased interest.
A birthright of US citizens is to criticize their government. It is one thing to disagree with the criticism and quite another to disagree with their right to voice it. The liberal media meme crosses this line. Many republucans have bought into the mem. Take issue with the ideas, not that their are being expressed.
Many repubicans have bought into the idea that war in iraq is going well; its the media’s fault we’re not hearing about it. Once again, its blame the messsenger and take issue with his ‘god-given’ right to free speech. Republicans will go to no end to trash their opponents, even implicitly questioning their civil liberties in the process. Republicans have many enemies, some of whom are their fellow citizens. What’s wrong with that picture?
TG: You irony meter’s off. Switch it on.
Yeah, Morris, your wife told me she’s been trying to work off a mink stole you gave her last spring.
Well I’m the ‘Abstractor of the Fucking Quintessence’. I win.
Either the Dems are catching wind that they’re losing big or we got linked somewhere.
Yep. This is what passes for great leadership and forward thinking on the left.
Enjoy the backlash if you pull this stunt, pal. You losers apparently learned nothing from Billy’s impeachment. You’ll satiate the rabid left wing of the Dems (a large and festering boil in the party) and alienate two thirds of the rest of the country. Good plan!
Shadenfreude is not a bitch. Just misunderstood.
Did middle school in San Francisco let out early , or are we just experiencing a large influx of idiots today?
Somebody quick, go check Kos and DU and see if they’re experiencing computer gliches. Only reason I can see for the clowns to be over here.
Check this out…
The Republicans lauded 72 hour ‘get the vote out’ machine
I never knew that so many moonbats had this awesome power of ESP. Quick, tell me what I’m wearing.
Check out this article:
Please note that 12 (count’em, 12) countries in Europe taken cumulatively did produec more cumulative jobs over the last 5 years. Bravo. However you might have missed this little thing:
Oops. I guess being a prissy, prick elitist is no substite for the facts, right Mo? Oh, wait , there’s more:
Oh, my, that doesn’t support your little rant either. Such a waste of a fine education. BTW genius, by far the fastest growing, most vibrant economy in Europe is Ireland, who spent the last 5 years significantly reducing government involvement in order to achieve a more capitalist, free market economy. They are now the envy of Europe.
But, hey, at least you get laid more than the 6gun and I. Coudln’t help but notice that you didn’t mention what species…
Oh, shit. How did I miss this little nugget? My eyes tend to glaze over when I start to experience smug sanctimony but…damn, this is precious.
You have a point. I’m partial to Constitutional Republics, divided power, zero social government, and federalism, myself.
But jeez Morris, for an attorney at the bar and neurosturgeon cum microspecimen-slash-heterosexual urbanite-slash-metroasexual, that’s one hell of a superior intellect you got there. And a most impressive dick appendage package, I’ll just bet. For an attorney and litigating lawyer type. Bet you could kick my ass with half your brain tied behin– oops, already taken.
Anyway, glad to know you hate being called Socialist and therefore, get copulent head … whilst regaling us all with socialist success stories. A lot, too, apparently evidently! Head, I mean. What with all the globe’s socialist successes surrounding backwards, redstated, dittoheaded America and all. I’m from Oklahoma but I can still dig that you want nothing to do with Socialism. Just because it works so damn fine.
So I take it all back. If that’s okay with you. Last thing I want to be, in my neo un-conservative, bipartisan enlightment (thanks, dude!) is a totalitarian.
“Don’t you want them to win in Iraq? They will if we leave.” News flash: due to Republican ineptitude, they’re winning in Iraq right now. This administration has screwed things up so badly, it may be impossible to establish any sort of order in Iraq. And this Republican Congress has been complicit in all of it.
“the terrorists want the Democrats to win and they’ve said as much, loser.” Another classic Republican strawman. Which terrorist said this?
The Bush administration has been a wet dream for terrorists. Their recruiting numbers, not ours, have skyrocketed. We have a country that lives in fear. We are no longer respected on an international front. Iran and N. Korea actually have leverage against us now. Our military no longer strikes fear amongst our enemies … shall I go on?
The reason us “lefties” are on your site is because we smell blood. Don’t you?
Morris: That what I like–an Independent who is above the fray. Say ‘hi’ to Senator Conyers for us. Oh, FYI: this is the classical liberal club house; conservatives are down the hall. You’ll find the dittoheads there. Pointy sticks are available at the front door.
ahmed: What makes you think I’m interested in quotas? I’m not. I just want the free airing of all ideas, not just those of the Left. The only way to preserve a democracy is to give citizens access to competing information so they can make up their own minds instead of having all their opinions force fed to them by an elite.
And we don’t want an echo chamber. Stop by any time.
Bush’s Reason No. 101 For A One-Party Country
You have to hand it to the president. Calling Democrats cowards and traitors just doesn’t do it for him anymore.
He’s come up with a new line. Now, he’s warning that no one should vote for Democrats because Democrats cannot be trusted to run the government in war time.
LINK
By the way, Morris, just curious: With you as funny as a bedpost, does your amazing penis have anything approaching a sense of humor?
Or reality? Perspective? Grasp (so to speak) of history?
No, but does it count if Morris is engorged?!
Wet dream? OPEN MORRIS’ PENIS THREAD!
Ben: I do smell blood, but I don’t think it’s mine. Time will tell.
Complaining about a bias is not a call for censorship, it is a call for more varied opinions. We are asking that more voices be heard, not trying to stifle dissent. Project much?
Ever heard of Nancy Pelosi? First 100 hours? Any of this ringing a bell, there, Einstein?
Seeing as how the Democrats are unable to actually hold principled position, I can’t agree with this equation.
Greens are socialists, commies are socialists, socialists are socialists – principled ones. Democrats are socialists only insofar as saying socialist things will buy them votes. The very wealthy (Gates, Buffett, the guy from Global Crossing, Pelosi’s husband, the Kennedy clan, et al) have no problems with the Democrats.
Given your comments above, it’s very clear that you do not possess the personal courage and integrity required of all citizens of our Great republic. Instead, it seems, you’d prefer to do away with freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of religion. It is also clear that, like the ancient Hebrews who rejected God’s Judges, you’d rather not live under a government of law; you’d rather have a king you could obey without having to think too much.
You are a disgrace to this country. But then, most Republicans are failed Americans, failed Christians and disgraceful human beings.
”…Right now, it’s about 80-20 left-right on most media stations except Fox–and that’s a conservative estimate. Even journalists on the Left admit this. Read Hugh Hewitt’s recent interview with Halperin, the head of news at ABC…”
c’mon…80/20 is a conservative estimate? back that up with some sort of fact based reality. my guess is you can’t. unless you mean conservatives made that estimate.
halperin is not the head of abc news. and he has written a “rove is genius” book he is shilling – so you can hardly call him unbiased.
c’mon people let’s have some facts and not your same old bs partisan spin.
ahem–
Good work, man! Crickey! What a collection! May I have one, please?
I think Noodle’s the pick of the litter. Can I keep him, please?
Right. I understand J Effin’ Kerry has A Plan. You got a copy?
Damn straight, Ben. What with all the record deficit spending on the military, they sure have been. So, how’s that Plan coming? Were you going to cut and run or just cut the deficit and run?
Oh, oh, John Effin’ Kerry?!
Right. Terrorists love to die violently and in great numbers. Gotta hand it to you, Ben, you’re as sharp as Morris.
Yep. You’re scared shitless of the terrorism that your Party says, like, doesn’t exist. Got it. Three words, Ben: New. Fax. Machine.
And we’ve lost our dominant french fry markets too!
Don’t worry, Ben. The Pelosi brigade sez it’s all smoke and mirrors. So not to worry.
Because striking fear militarily is SO the leftist platform. So, sure; go on bro!
“the terrorists want the Democrats to win and they’ve said as much, loserâ€Â
Uh, no. The war in Iraq was a godsend to Al Qaeda: it is the best recruitment tool they could have dreamed of. Terrorism has flourished in the past six years, with attacks here, England, Spain, Bali, and elsewhere. There was no Al Qaeda presence in Iraq until we invaded, and now (according to Bush) the country is filled with them.
Besides the catastrophic bungling of Iraq, what other gifts has the administration given to terrorists? Well, we invaded Afghanistan, then ignored it to invade Iraq, and now the Taliban controls most of the country outside Kabul. We’ve alienated our allies and made their cooperation much harder to obtain. We’ve even put instructions on how to make a nuclear bomb on the Internet.
The Clinton administration recognized the threat with Al Qaeda posed and went after them, despite obstruction from the GOP (which cut funding on the Omnibus anti-terrorism bill and prevented the administration from tracking down terrorists’ financial assets). The Bush administration shut down the task force to find bin Laden, who is alive and well.
You can whine all you want about Democrats, but the fact is that the current administration has been the gift which keeps on giving to terrorists. To quote Ronald Reagan: facts are stubborn things. You might want to learn the facts before making your inane announcements.
For instance, MSNBC might look in its own back yard as a worthy place to start applying checks and balances by airing a greater proportion of conservative and Republican thought. Currently, it airs none.
None, only if you exclude Tucker Carlson, Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough. But since they all are in the 65% of the country that disapproves of the administration I guess they are now liberals. Someone should tell then you can’t disagree with W and still be a conservative. And someone should call up Will, Buckley, Blankly, Sullivan and Pat Buchanan and tell them that they are liberals now.
ATTICA! ATTICA!
(Man, I knew I shouldn’t have gone to the bank today…)
ahmed: I’d find your argument stronger if the Dems actually laid out a plan that the public could see. They content themselves with disagreeing with the President. Fine, but then what? At some point, they have to come off the sidelines and commit to a course of action. And action brings criticism.
Look, no one wants a one-party system; it’s inimcal to democracy. But the Dems have to step up to the plate some time. And if they stand up for an idea, they have to be prepared for the idea to be accepted or rejected by the public, same as with the Republicans.
Frankly, I agree with Michael Kinsley’s article in Salon today. He’s a Democrat.
New show on Fox:
Dan Collins, the Moonbat Whisperer. How to train and housebreak the most irrational leftards with love, encouragement, and the occasional waterboarding.
Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?
Hey, useful idiots:
Look up Morris “Moe” Berg before you give yourselves an aneurysm arguing with dead, Jewish, CIA, baseball players:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_Berg
Morris “Moe” Berg (March 2, 1902 – May 29, 1972) was an American Major League Baseball catcher who also served briefly as a spy for the United States. His is said to be the only baseball card on display at the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency. . .
He he he he he. . .
Vote Nader!
Ahem,
Thank you for the hospitality. Your attitude about having an open forum is a credit to you.
If Olberman is sympotmatic of a unfaily left-leaning media – that’s your hypothesis right? – than what else, other than adjusting the mix (reads quota) would be a ‘fair’ way to address the issue?
Television is licensed in the public interest, that’s the airwaves not the cable channels.
Television has an obligation to report the news factually and with a committment to be reasonable in their judgements regarding the context of facts reported in the news.
Pundits and talk show hosts are accountable only to the marketplace. If they are full of specious arguments and people like them, they stay on, if people don’t their shows fold. How else do you explain O’Reilly’s tenure on The Factor?
Saying ‘the media is too liberal’ or too this or too that is a political argument. I’m afraid the answer is, it’s a free country. You can work to put your own right-leaning show on if you want.
Some people actully agree with Olbermann. They think this president has no respect for the constitution or the constitional obligation of congress to provide oversight to the executive. They agree that the recent enemy combatent bill that eliminates the writ of habeous corpus for US citizens designated as enemy combatents is a dangerous threat to our civil liberties and unconstitutional legislation. They think torture is wrong. They think military contract corruption should be prosecuted. They think FEMA should be staffed with professionals, not political appointees. All of these things are issues Olbermann has raised. I’m suprised to find so few Republicans in agreement with these concerns.
Seeing as how the Democrats are unable to actually hold principled position, I can’t agree with [Democrats = Socialists]
Really. Then you tell me what welfare, affirmative action, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the religion of statist schooling, attempts at (and outright promises for) universal healthcare, child services, and forced taxation for the above then amount to if not socialized private-sector life managment by government sold to a ideology decidedly not conservative in nature.
Once you define “principled” as it applies to constitutional freedoms as they’re being destroyed under that largely Democrat framework of legalized theft and oppression and intolerance and…
For those of you who are new to the PW cesspool, this is a very sad, pathetic, and rapidly shrinking island of paranoid delusion and eliminationist fantasy. Please do not expect engagement or coherence, you will be disappointed. Oh, yeah. They will swear at you (a lot) and call you names (I think they think it’s funny, or insulting, or something).
You know, all these monkyboy-lookalikes are only here because all you give them the attention they so need. Hell, Dan C even wrote a couple of full posts about our own little monkyboy: now his little monkyfriends are here looking for some luvvin’ for themselves.
As far as the oh-so-liberal MSM painting a horrible picture of Iraq, I couldn’t agree more. Now if only we could get William Buckley, George Will, Chuck Hagel, Richard Perle and others to stop watching that crap. It’s clearly scrambling their brains.
Hey david, nice you could make it.
Still hate Christians?
one-eyed and ben:
So, presumably, the correct approach to terrorism is to wait passively until we are attacked again. Under what circumstances would we ever be justified in defending ourselves? One atom bomb in Chicago? Two? What would it take for you to allow Americans to resist terrorism without risking being called fascists? Apparently, the only way for us to live in good faith is to lie down and accept death. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
sal: If Chris Matthews is a conservative, you can eat my mouse pad.
the one eyed man–
The king, because everyone else is blind.
If not for the intarweb, people like this would be hanging out on street corners haranguing.
As for the danger posed by Saddam Hussein, that business about there having been no terrorist connections has been proven wrong for some time. Here’s Melanie Phillips, who has a nice roundup.
I realize that you don’t care about the evidence, but there it is.
Easy there, 6gun… I’m on your side.
Democrats have no principles. Ever wonder what happen to those “sensible” gun control laws that were so necessary a few years ago? Democrats figured out that they’re not popular: so mums the word for this election cycle.
And those nasty Bush tax cuts? Those have to be rolled back – well, except for the middle class, which is defined exactly how?
If saying socialist things will get votes, Democrats will say ‘em; if they have to implement them, Democrats’ll do that too.
I am convinced the problem with most leftists is none of them can friggin’ read. Read the original post again. Notice it is addressed to Keith Olberman, and MSNBC by implication. Notice ahem is asking them TO FIX THE PROBLEM INTERNALLY, BY THEMSELVES. No where does he mention, much less advocate, any government or other outside intervention. Do you have any idea how wearisome it is to try to discuss anything with those who project like you are doing?
I was going to comment – but got amazingly weary just seeing someone fling “chickenhawk” out there… sigh…
Well, that and a the “right of center” media.
Urk.
Oh, and david, about “engagement” (and yesterday’s topic, the “substantive” post you demanded) how about you define both engagement and substantive.
‘Cause, see, I tend to think asking you what’s with your obvious bigotry and intolerance three times and getting zip back is, you know, substantive. It engages my sense of, well, substantive issues.
And yours too, I’m guessing, what with such tolerant substance forming the Democrat’s entire 50 year moral crusade for stuff like religious tolerance and racial tolerance and all that.
So you go, boy. Lay it on me about engaging, substantive discourse. Do so while you clear up that anti-Christians slur from yesterday. The one in the anti-Chinese thread.
“The Bush administration has been a wet dream for terrorists. Their recruiting numbers, not ours, have skyrocketed. We have a country that lives in fear. We are no longer respected on an international front. Iran and N. Korea actually have leverage against us now. Our military no longer strikes fear amongst our enemies … shall I go on?” Who is living in fear? You? Pussy! I certainly am not. How about the terrorist’s death numbers? They’re going up faster than ever. Funny, you don’t mention that. If you were against going into Iraq, for real reasons, I can respect that. But sounds to me like you may have been against action in Afghanistan too. Now, that makes you an idiot. I know MANY europeans that still respect us. Here’s a hint, too. Our respect has been going downhill ever since we ended up being the sole super power. Chumps are jealous, that’s it. They’ll get over it. Who says our military no longer strikes fear? Who actually said that?
Actually David, we think you’re insulting or…something. Funny? Not so much.
Poophead
6-Gun,
The depth of your stupidity is staggering.
When did Kerry say the terrorists want Democrats to win? Never. (That was Bush, you idiot.)
And when has the Bush administration had a plan … I mean, a viable one? Never. (Maybe he should have asked the Dems for help, because clearly there aren’t any Republicans with any good ideas.)
And you’re proud of creating the largest national debt in history? Good for you.
And our military was more respected under Clinton because he let military men manage it. Bush? “You’re doing a heck of a job, Rummy.” (Is that what the military times said on Monday?)
You should think before you express your opinions. Anyone can see through your vaporous assertions, and it’s far too easy to use your own words to demonstrate what a fool you are.
I’ll bet not one right-winger here has read Eric Alterman’s “What Liberal Media?”
They just spout the lies they’ve been fed.
Dammit, where’s the harpoons!? All this whale oil going to waste!
ahmed:
I’d like to see a simple return to the separation of news reporting and editorial comment. At one point, there was a clear distinction between the two. The news item would contain the basic elements of the event being reported. Another item, labeled ‘editorial’, would appear separately. As a reader, you knew some editorialists were Left and some Right and you could dip into the two at your leisure to see what the prevailing opinion was. And you could assess the bare facts and figure out what made sense to you.
Simple as that.
Over the last 10 years or so, the reporting of facts has become intermixed more and more with editorial slant, and it’s a disservice to America. I would be just as disgusted, for example, if the Right had control of the media. I don’t want to shut Olbermann up, I want to make him share the stage with those he disagrees with. Right now, the Left is hogging the mic.
And, as they claim to be liberal, I want them to act like true liberals.
Says a fucking moron with a shiny new set of Olberman strings attached to his limbs. What a riot.
Dammit, where’s the harpoons!?
Is that all you got? The topic is liberal media but a lot of people are talking about policy and governance. Is ‘harpoons’ the best you have to offer?
I don’t see why the lefties waste their time here.
Really. What, are they going to make us change our minds? I don’t go to the DU or KOS because I know nothing I say will make any mark on their deranged minds. Some places are different. Perhaps its a mark of our sanity that people would actually think they can convince us of their opinions?
Regardless, most of us are thoroughly convinced that we need to win, and that Democrats can never win because they are philosophically against us winning. Period. Everything else is just bullshit trying to evade that point… smoke and mirrors.
Whenever this is mentioned an evasion will occur wherein (in the classic Marxist PR style) the other side is targetted as a defense.
If you can prove that the democrats are not philosophically against the united states winning, then you will have made the first step in convincing us that (whether they win or not today) that they are actually a real political party. Starting at the top won’t help, you have to start at the bottom.
We’re one-issue voters this term. Get over it!
As an aside, any evidence that shows that democrats are against winning is a point against them. Any evidence that shows democrats are sensible on other issues earns them no points. Does this make any sense to you? If it does, then you will start to understand why the democrats will not win with anything but victory.
Yeah. Good thing it was written by Alterman, and not some, y’know, partisan.
Don’t you just love commentators who make their first trip to your site and then characterize all of you with one broad brush stroke. Ah, the tolerant left!
OK, OK, pick one, pick one: fiskhus jim
since david doesn’t think that we’re scholarly enough I’ll take this point by point.
1) You are an awfully prideful person to assume that you can show up here, read a few posts, and know in your heart that we are just awful people. Pride is one of the deadly sins.
2) In addition to pride, you are seriously lacking any sense of discernment as no one on this thread said anything remotely akin to doing away with freedoms of speech/expression/religion. For that freedom of religion thing, talk to david who has demonstrated on another thread that he is a religious bigot.
3) Many of us Christians know that it is only for God to know what is in a person’s heart. So as far as integrity or courage, if you are not God, then you are unbelievably arrogant and highly juvenile to think that you know from some political postings what’s in my or anybody elses heart.
4) I have no interest in a King or any other monarchy. You, on the other hand, would no doudt love to see the benevolent nanny state, caring for all. You’ll pardon me if I see a intolerant dictatorship in all of that idealism.
5) Like the Hebrews rejected the judges? Give me a break. There’s that pride again, comparing your side to the rightious, divinely inspired judges of the Old Testament. Wow, don’t think too highly of yourself, do you?
6) Since we have determined that you are suffering from the sin of pride (and I would guess the sin of envy as well) then you are, again, in no position to to call any of us failed Americans and, you not being God, are not in any position to judge me as a Christian or a human being. “:Judge not lest ye be judged.”
But, as david says, we are the guys who name call. The reason that your political point of view has been taking a pounding over the last 12 years is because of the arrogant, sanctimonious, self-rightious, gi-normously prideful attitude that leaks from every fiber of your being.
Have a nice day.
I have lust in my heart.
Based upon the barely concelaed desperation for electoral success I see above, you ain’t the only one…
Amen, Ahem, Amen.
Shows like Olberman and other pundits are political commentary wrapped around news stories. Nonetheless, people use it as a news source. Even Jon Stewart, which is political comedy, is wrapped around current news stories. People use it to get news. Most of us hear our news through the filter of political viewpoint. Think abuot how much news you get reading your favorite blogs. News drives the commentary.
I don’t think Olbermann is likely to change his politics. Why should he? Like O’Reilly, his interest is market share not political science. There is no market motive for intellectual honesty, unless we the viewing public make it one.
The issue of how the “news” is represented by the media is an interesting one. More interesting I think, is policy and priorities.
Thanks for making me feel welcome here and for engaging in an interesting coversation, even as we disagree on many points. You are not my only conservative friend but I must admit, in blogging circles, I have more liberal friends than conservative ones. If I found more conservative friends like you, I think that would change. All the best!
It’s what you’re worth.
ahmed: Stop by any time.
Yeah, it seems you can’t turn the TV on without seeing Noam Chomsky all the time. (sarcasm)
You idiot. The networks are owned by corporations. Do you really think the Left (Dems) are the party of corporations?
When you live in a corporate state (and you do), the corporate press is the state press.
I know. Even my stupidity has depth, Ben.
Oh, NOW I get you, Ben. It’s the RIGHT who says the terrorists want the Democrats to win. Cool. Makes sense too. See, I was doing my new sarcasm routine with that bit before.
Sorry.
Right-o, Ben. The Rethuglicans had no Plan. For transforming perhaps the most hostile place on earth into a place where democracy was given a chance and where the former psychopathic dictator was tried and convicted.
I’m with you, Ben. No Plan whatsoever to guarantee Dairy Queens on every corner and a Democrat social worker in every garage within say, 14 months. In Iraq. Islamofascistville.
But I understand Kerry has A Planâ„¢. You got a copy? Jay k and david can’t lay their hands on theirs.
The anti-war Dems or the anti-Iraqi Dems? Or are those the same?
Well Ben, if you’re going to go all accusatory on me I’m going to have to ask you to reason your way out of 50 years of creeping Democrat tax-and-spend domestic socialism. Can’t we keep this civil and you lead with honest questions, to which I can ponder some honest answers?
For example: You ask me about why it is that the Rethuglicans find it necessary to compete in the social government handout game with the Dems and then I go into this whole slippery slope, 230-years-old thing about losing people’s government and personal sovereignty to flagrant collectivism that’s only propped up with the appearance of representative government. That kind of civility. We might find that your Democrat first effects never, ever work out, and how your assumption that stealing money from the haves and burning sixty cents of each dollar before giving it to the have-nots keeps them have-not.
Talk about a Plan.
Right again, Ben. Clinton killed more janitors (and more national defense initiatives) as a proud Democrat than any Republican. All while keeping socialist spending a tiny minority of all spending. Just like a good, strong, defender. A Commander in Chief, Ben!
Ben, I really don’t think I like your tone after all. If you’re going to condemn my opinion so harshly, please be substantive and engaging. Like david.
I am not vaporous.
“Imagine. Limited government from the socialists.”
Please explain how this is better or worse than the limited government under the fascists?
We Democratic voting Americans are astounded by the brainwashed wreckage of the GOP. What happened to conservative ideals? What has become of the limited Federal Government, the abhorance of graft and influence peddling? You’ve denegrated the party of Goldwater, and you’ve become a parody of what you always jeered in the Democratic party of the late 1970’s.
You’re bloated, greedy, ignorant, and as a party, you’re poison to this nation.
The Democratic party supports admitting that 9/11 was a tragedy, but it will not cast a shadow over our lives. It will not cause us to live in fear of “they” and of each other. The GOP has become a party of terrorized FOX watchers and their keepers, all too happy to feed their base with fresh scares. Gays, brown people, taxes.
Never the sunlight of factor reason.
So, unless the e-machines have it their way, we’ll hopefully see another 40 years of sane Democratic rule in the houses of Congress. I hope that time will allow the real GOP, the party of fiscal responsibility and small town politics, to find itself again and purge the liars and greed merchants from their ranks.
Good luck to both parties.
“If you were against going into Iraq, for real reasons, I can respect that. But sounds to me like you may have been against action in Afghanistan too.” No. I was behind our invasion of Afghanistan because there actually were terrorists in that country. Iraq? No terrorist until we got there. No WMD’s. Just a lunatic who abused his own people. (Now if Bush had said we were going there to remove him for that reason alone, I would have respected the decision.)
“I know MANY europeans that still respect us.” I’m in Europe or Asia about one week out of every month (for the last 15 years). Believe me, international respect for the US has plummeted under Bush.
“Who says our military no longer strikes fear? Who actually said that?” It is implied by the way in which Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il tout their weapons programs. They know we’re overextended in Iraq and that our allies are hesitant to support us in another war. True. Our weaponry is the best. But has that resulted in victory in Afghanistan or Iraq? Don’t you think the entire world has recognized this?
Final point – they way to fight the terrorists is through ideology, not lowering ourselves to their level by waging war. From the start, Bush should have belittled Osama by calling him nothing more than a criminal, and saying that his ideology offered no solutions to the plight of Muslims, only suffering. Instead, Bush called him a “holy warrior”, thereby elevating him to the level of a hero. (He even used the word “crusade”.) He gift-wrapped a “holy war” that Al Queda is using to recruit new members world-wide.
Final final point – It’s the Republicans who use the language of fear, not the Democrats. Me, I know that I’m more likely to be killed by pollution than by a terrorist. But unfortunately there is no room in the debate to talk about how Bush has also failed us on that front.
No, no, no, Robert, you didn’t get the memo. david says that we are the ones who name call.
Because we all know that liberal democrats can’t own media or other corporations (Ted Turner, Google Guys, George Soros, Warren Buffet). That is a staggeringly ignorant comment and just a little scary. Would you prefer the party of trial lawyers? Corrupt Unions? Take your pick.
I’m going guess you got that out of a “Media in Society” class that you took somewhere. How very socialist/idealist of you.
Oh, by the way, you’re an idiot. I didn’t want to disappoint david, the religious bigot.
Jump in anytime McGehee. If you think I’m not worth talking to than chat it up with someone else. The topics are… liberal media, US policy and election day.
Ahem,
“Your station is all Anti-Administration all the time. The philosophy you shriek over America’s airwaves 24/7 is 99% far Left liberalism: Anti-Bush, Anti-Republican, Anti-War on Terror and Anti-Military. It is consistently Pro-Democrat, Pro-Terrorist and Pro Anything That Injures the United States.”
Can you prove any of this or do you just like the sound of yourself shouting to yourself?
If I watch SportsCenter and they report that the Dolphins beat the Bears, despite the odds, that doesn’t mean that SportsCenter is biased toward the Dolphins or that they hate the Bears. They just report what happened. Likewise, most news media report what happens. If what is happening is one Republican scandal after another, an unwinnable “war” in Iraq, etc, then that is what they should report. That doesn’t make them biased. Maybe you should demand more from your elected “leadership.”
Best of luck to your favorite morally bankrupt candidates.
You’re a dense one, blue boy. Tell us again the party affiliation of people outing gays in Congress? The most vicious attacks on gays have come from Democratic gays on Republican gays. You down with that?
Brown people? Nice toss-off.
Taxes? Do the names Pelosi and Rangel ring any bells? Both have stated publicly they support the rollback of the 2003 tax cuts. Why the dishonesty from you?