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Progg Delineates Who Must Shut the F*** Up [Dan Collins]

Last week, I described a nightmare scenario in which the Republicans won the midterm prompting the president, high on mandate juice, to form the Department of Shut The F*** Up, headed by a sock puppet named Secretary Fiddlesticks.

Now that the Democrats have taken back the Congress and 51+ percent of America finally has a voice in government again, I think it’s time to seriously let fly. So at the risk of sounding contentious in this all-too-genuine era (several days) of bipartisanship, here now is a roll call of people who must officially shut the f*** up.

So, I guess pretty much all of us need to start up the f*** shutting.

Florida Congresswoman Delineates Who Must STFU:

It is good to know that Congress still holds some who are not dhimmis. Florida Congresswoman Brown-Waite has written a marvelous letter to CAIR bullyboy Ahmed Bedier (whose love notes to me you can read here and here), refusing his demand that she condemn Hernando County Commissioner Tom Hogan and his wife, Mary Ann, for calling Islam a “hateful, frightening religion.”

Summary from the St. Petersburg Times here (all links thanks to Sugarquub). More details here. And here is a pdf of Brown-Waite’s letter.

Some choice excerpts from it:

Mr. and Mrs. Hogan have shown tremendous fortitude by resisting the pressures of your group to retract their statements. I am sorry that Jeb Bush and Carol Jean Jordan from the Republican Party were so quick to also forget that we have freedom of speech and that the Hogans were made to feel that they are the ones who were in the wrong. The Hogans have a right to their opinion just as you have a right to yours. Mrs. Hogan expressed in her statements the views of many of my constituents, and while they do not encourage harmony in the community, they should demonstrate to you how many United States citizens perceive your faith. Your area of concern should not be focused on the statements of the Hogans, but rather upon the actions of many in your community who created these beliefs….

You may recall our meeting on May 29, 2004, when I met with you and other members of your organization…You should also remember that I was invited over to the home of a prominent doctor in Hernando County to allegedly “have some tea and see how his children were doing.” Imagine how surprised I was upon entering the home to find a group of eight or more men sitting in a semicircle preparing to have a discussion with me. It certainly was not the casual social event I was invited to, but not being the type to shy away from a healthy discussion, I joined in and listened.

It was suggested to me that the group needed a Member of Congress who would be sympathetic to the CAIR-Muslim view….

When it became apparent to you that I was not willing to champion your cause in Washington, you Mr. Bedier, made the following statement, which was so outrageous I remember it almost verbatim. You told me that you had done research on me and found that I was Catholic and then went on to say, “Catholic priests pose more of a terrorism threat by having sex with young altar boys than those who flew the planes into the World Trade Center.” I found the statement so bizarre that I asked you to repeat it and, without hesitation, you did. It was at this point that I stood up and told you that the meeting was over. I also pointed out the fact that the Catholic priests did not kill 3,000 innocent people, and that we knew where the guilty priests were located and they were not hiding in caves. I then left…

I suggest you not only review the U.S. Constitution but also the Florida Constitution and statutes.

Mr. Bedier, in closing, I know many fine Muslims who would be well served by your resignation from the local CAIR office. Your militancy and manipulation of facts does not serve them well.

In this post I took issue with the Hogans on points of Islamic theology, as well as strategy. Those remarks were correct as far as they went, but on reading Congresswoman Brown-Waite’s reply to Bedier I don’t think they go very far. Her approach is vastly superior, and I’m sorry I missed the initial opportunity the Hogans’ remarks presented to stand up more strongly for freedom of speech—and against CAIR intimidation. Apologies to the Hogans, and kudos to Congresswoman Brown-Waite.

100 Replies to “Progg Delineates Who Must Shut the F*** Up [Dan Collins]”

  1. TJIT says:

    As cranky as they are you would have a hard time believing the democrat party actually won the elections.  They seem to be stuck in a sore loserman state of mind.

    Imagine how entertaining lefty blogger land would have been if the republicans had maintained control of congress!  Tankloads of haldol would not be able to keep them calmed down.  They would need squeegees to wipe the spittle off of their monitors.

  2. Markos Moulitsas says:

    Anyone who does not acknowledge my genious and control of the blogosphere must shut the fuck up. 

    And of course that hairless inbred hillbilly Carville needs to shut up too.

  3. oh, and regarding #7, Sean M had an interesting post that’s kinda related.

  4. 6Gun says:

    10) The devilish wordsmiths who think it’s strategic and clever to refer to the Democratic Party as the “Democrat Party” need to stop it. Shut the f*** up. The official name of the party is the Democratic Party, with the “ic” at the end. Yeah, I know. Newt Gingrich and Frank Luntz invented the idea of saying “Democrat Party” or “the Democrat leadership” or “the Democrat voters” in order to emphasize the “rat” syllable, leaving a rat-like subliminal hint in the minds of listeners. President Bush, in his so-called “conciliatory” press conference Wednesday, used this incorrect pronunciation several times.

    And it’s NOT abuot power, wignnuts!!!!  And teh CNOSTiTUTIoN!!!!! two!!11111!

  5. Beck says:

    Didn’t Dennis Leary all ready do the whole “Shut the fuck up” bit back in the early 90s?

  6. Dan Collins says:

    Markos–

    I’m only a substitute poster for Mr. Paste-Eater.  Surely you have better places to spew your bile, don’t you?  Last time I looked, the DNC was contemplating ousting Howard Dean with someone who’s not personally you. I think you’d better look into it.

  7. serr8d says:

    Well, I just sauntered over there and left the first comment on her blog…

    So you don’t have to feed her sitemeter, I simple asked her to have a cup of coffee on me…

    tw: will it be seen13 times before she deletes it? Bring it on, biatch~!

  8. Beck says:

    Um… Dan…

    Nevermind.

  9. Dan Collins says:

    Oh, and Markos . . . we’ll just start referring to you as the democratICK party, so as not to offend your sensibilities.

    Beck . . . what?

  10. now, but wait… how often to you hear anyone say “the democratics’ plan” ? isn’t that how that should work?

  11. well, I guess everyone should STFU.  let me make a little correction to proggy’s post:

    Now that the Democrat(ic)s have taken back the Congress

    there, now i feel much better.

  12. cynn says:

    I think I have mentioned this before here, the odd change from “Democratic” to “Democrat.” Reminds me of some of the crap dreamed up in high-school lunchrooms to make the nerds feel bad.  Always backfired.

  13. Dan Collins says:

    Yeah, what’s the matter with democratIKKK?

  14. cranky-d says:

    I think the reason not to call the Democratic is because they don’t stand for Democracy unless they win.  Otherwise they do their best to circumvent the will of the people via the courts.

    Also, they only believe in free speech for fellow travelors, hence the “people who should shut up” post.

    But we all already knew both of those things.

    I went to the website. The proprietor has a countdown meter for the number of days Bush has left in office.  Serious BDS.

  15. burrhog says:

    Re: #7

    I wouldn’t phrase it the same way but…

    I wouldn’t mind that much if Sean Hannity was really, really quiet.

  16. Darleen says:

    Don’t ya love the little “progressive” has a snit fit over “ic” yet refers to Ann Coulter as a “he” in #5?

    FEEL the Love!

    And he also needs to shut the fuck up about “homophobe code words”

    “San Francisco Values” hasn’t a thing to do with gays. The city has been a hotbed of Euro socialist values long before the Castro district was hip.

    And, shock of shocks, not all gays, even in Frisco, are leftists. Ditto the college students.

  17. serr8d says:

    The person/team is, if nothing else, prolific.  I counted 57 posts since the one referenced above…and none of them had any redeeming value whatsoever. That blog looks like Howard Dean’s acid-induced vomitus…

  18. cynn says:

    Here’s who needs to shut up already:  All those Hollywood types whose only currency is their celebrity.  They have no grasp of the actual issues.  They have no experience or history.  They are boutique liberals that really don’t give a damn about the cause, as long as their manufactured outrage propels their image.  I’d like to personally duct-tape the whole yammering lot’s yaps shut.

  19. Dan Collins says:

    Cool, cynn.  I’ll buy the duct tape.

  20. Dewclaw says:

    They have no grasp of the actual issues.  They have no experience or history.

    Ummm… and that differs from “bona-fide liberals” in what way?

    Just pass out that duct tape all around, Cynn… don’t Bogart it.

  21. monkyboy says:

    What were Bush’s qualifications for running a war, btw?

  22. Dan Collins says:

    I don’t know, monky, apart from being Commander in Chief.  What are yours?

  23. monkyboy says:

    Let’s not confuse title with qualifications, Dan.

  24. Dewclaw says:

    100% more qualified than Clinton and his little excursion into Bosnia, dillhole.

  25. serr8d says:

    Bush isn’t fighting the war, Mbot, America/USA is fighting the war.  Separate youself from America, turn your back on your country at war…that’s the Progressive way.

  26. Dan Collins says:

    Great.  What’s your qualification to ask this question?

  27. Dan Collins says:

    Why don’t you STFU, monky?  I say you really have to, now.

  28. Dan Collins says:

    Don’t give me “citizen”: that’s a title, not a qualification.

  29. now, now, Dewclaw, that’s no answer.  I love how monky thinks the Pres just comes up with all of this, like he’s some micromanager…. doesn’t listen to military advisors…. or other staff members…. he’s sittin’ around typing up orders for the 1st Cav and they damn well better do as he says.

  30. Dan Collins says:

    What qualification does Pat Leahy have to serve on the Judiciary Committee, monky?

  31. Dan Collins says:

    From now on, all Presidents will have to be certified by the Board of Military Oversight to determine whether or not they’re qualified to serve as Commander-in-Chief.  The constitution of said board is determined by the monkyboy general.

  32. cynn says:

    Believe it or no, but there are actual DEMOCRAT people out there who have stood quietly by while the blowhards on both sides have shot their wads.  Now, the DEMOCRAT party better get its bad self together and address the interests of this nation, or it deserves to have its pigtails pulled yet again.

    Another person, incidentally, who should shut up is Rosie O’Donnell.  WTF?  Ed Bradley, I will sorely miss.

  33. Darleen says:

    monky

    Is this where you want to advocate that there be no civilian commander of the armed forces?

    Otherwise, how about detailing for us the qualifications to run a war of Lincoln, FDR, Truman or Billy Jeff.

  34. Dan Collins says:

    monky’s a cryptofascist, but he’s so crypto that even he doesn’t realize it.

  35. Darleen says:

    maggie

    I love how monky thinks the Pres just comes up with all of this, like he’s some micromanager

    I believe monky got his ideas on how a President commands the forces from watching Gina Davis phone up battleship captains and directing their ships on Commander in Chief.

  36. Bwah ha ha haaaa, Darleen, I think that’s about the time RTO decided that show wasn’t worth his time.

  37. cynn says:

    Well, the president’s business credentials aren’t all that hot.  But I’m not expecting him to personally wage any war.  He’s not a Caesar.  Nowadays, we trust that the Commander in Cheif has highly competent proxies to execute his policies.  And what are his objectives?  Who are his proxies?

    Who needs to STFU already?  Tony Snowjob.

  38. Dan Collins says:

    Yes, cynn, the President’s spokesperson really needs to STFU, so that all of those people who wish to accurately report what the President really means can do so unencumbered.

  39. Darleen says:

    As long as Tony is getting under the skin of Helen Thomas and the rest of the out-of-touch lefty hacks in the pressroom, he gets my vote.

    Stick it to ‘em, Tony!

  40. Dan Collins says:

    Now you and monky are really starting to piss me off, cynn.

  41. Dan Collins says:

    I guess I’ll have a couple more beers and see whether I can’t make myself dumb enough to understand what you’re trying to say.

  42. Dewclaw says:

    Good golly, Miss Molly…

    Cynn, President Bush has stated his objectives ad naseum.  The fact that you don’t agree that they are GOOD objectives is irrelevant.  He has passed them to his Joint Chiefs, they to their theatre commanders and on down.  It’s not a “proxy” deal in a military chain of command.

    My vote for the STFU honor roll is Markos Moulitsas and monkeydouche.

  43. cynn says:

    Better to be pissed off than on, Dan.  We have been at odds before here, but I respectfully ask you if Tony Snow really articulates the true actions and intentions of this administration.  Something tells me that if you cornered him in a stall in bathroom, he would be furious because he is forced to parrot the received wisdom handed to him.  He’s glib; more than I can say for his predecessor, whose name escapes me.

  44. Ric Locke says:

    Darleen, maggie K, I don’t know where the trope came from, but Democrats come by it honestly.

    That’s pretty much the way Lyndon and the Whiz Kidz ran things. I know anything targeted from the air had to be run by the White House in those days, adding three or four days minimum to the cycle. It usually meant we had permission to bomb the Hell out of where those trucks were last week.

    Just add it to the Kompedium: Kud Tsu, the Democraticicicicicicicicic Way of War.

    Regards,

    Ric

  45. and cynn the mind reader strikes again.

  46. i’d guessed as much Rick. thanks for articulating it for me.

  47. Dan Collins says:

    He’s glib; more than I can say for his predecessor, whose name escapes me.

    George Stephanopoulos?

  48. Major John says:

    I don’t want anyone to shut up – it’s the best way to know what they stand for.  I think the problem isn’t speaking – it’s hearing, or more properly, comprehending what you hear… Which is why I am so very amused when monky speaks of matters military.  I feel like cutting and pasting all his comments into a paper for the Command and General Staff Officer College, maybe even the War College.

    BTW –

    But I’m not expecting him to personally wage any war.  He’s not a Caesar.

    is a very good point.

  49. cynn says:

    Sorry, but Ric didn’t articulate much of anything, unless I can borrow somebody’s ‘60’-70’ss decoder ring.  Huh?

  50. Dewclaw says:

    Agreed, Major… but you have to admit that Kos and Monkeyshines screeching is as pleasant as having your nether regions run across a cheese grater, then dipped in rocksalt.

    Wading through the infantile mewling gets old after awhile.

  51. Ric Locke says:

    Scott McClellan. The only instance I can recall in recent history in which the PR flack was less articulate than the principal. When the principal is G. W. Bush, that’s saying something.

    Stephanopoulos (I had to google the spelling) was Clinton’s mouthpiece.

    Regards,

    Ric

  52. monkyboy says:

    So Rummy got the axe because things are going so well for us in Afghanistan and Iraq, Major John?

  53. Dewclaw says:

    mewling, mewling, mewling….

  54. cynn says:

    I’ll agree that Kos is sanctimonious and as funneled as a doberman with cropped ears.  But I agree with the Major, all voices should be heard.  I though we were having a discussion of who might shut up.

  55. Interested Observer says:

    Once again, I feel compelled to decloak from lurking and ask:  Monkyboy, in all honesty, what do you feel is going so badly in Afghanistan?  No condemnation on my part, no snark – I’m just asking because I sincerely wish to know.

  56. cynn says:

    Monkyboy, I think Rumsfeld got the heave-ho because it was politically expediant, and he pissed off the actual military commanders.

    I don’t think it matters how things are going, at this point.

  57. monkyboy says:

    IO,

    It seems like an endless war, a lot of civilians are dying, it costs the U.S. about $20 billion a year and it is destabilizing Pakistan, the Muslim world’s only nuclear armed state…

    Other than that…

  58. Ric Locke says:

    Cynn, Darleen said

    I believe monky got his ideas on how a President commands the forces from watching Gina Davis phone up battleship captains and directing their ships on Commander in Chief.

    Military targets come and go on a minute-by-minute basis. If every time you want to shoot something you have to refer it to higher command authority, you might as well not shoot. The thing you wanted to shoot will be somewhere else by the time permission gets back. The only way that has a ghost of a chance of working is to train your people well, tell them by category what to shoot (and keep the categories as general as possible), then sit back and watch.

    The Secretary of Defense under Kennedy and Johnson was Robert McNamara. He assembled a short company of Eastern elitists with loads and loads of theoretical expertise and not a muddy boot in all their closets combined; the team came to be known as “The Whiz Kids” (the appended -z not yet being fashionable). They had a wonderful idea for everything, generally stuff that Sun Tzu had tried and discarded in disgust but which would work with Wonderful! New! Technology! if everybody applied themselves to the task.

    That, combined with Johnson’s sensitivity to the growing Leftist clamor, resulted in a system whereby anything the forces in Viet Nam wanted to bomb had to be cleared with National Command Authority, which is to say, Lyndon Hisself. There are a few pictures extant of LBJ, hornrims firmly planted on his face, bending over aerial photographs selecting targets, with McNamara leaning over his shoulder.

    The inevitable result was that the VC would amass a dump of supplies and the intel guys would find it on the pictures and suggest it be bombed, but it had to be approved. Which meant that the original photos had to be put on an airplane and sent 13,000 miles to Washington (facsimiles lose too much detail), Lyndon and Robert had to find a free couple of hours to review them, and the decision, involving physical marks on the pictures, had to be airmailed 13,000 miles back to the commander who actually had bombs available. Meanwhile the VC had loaded their stuff on the ‘47 Dodge 6x6s they’d captured from the Frogs and were fifty clicks away, so the bombs fell on nothing valuable to anybody—unless, as a special bonus, there happened to be a couple of kids and a mamasan on hand, gleaning whatever had escaped from the sacks. Front-page photos.

    The system didn’t last long—the actual results of it were a little too obvious for even a Liberal to explain away—but it lasted long enough to leave an indelible impression on those of us, *ahem* fortunate enough to participate. Say “whiz kids” to a guy pushing sixty, and generally even Democrats will wince.

    Regards,

    Ric

  59. N. O'Brain says:

    “Democratic”, “Democrat”

    No matter.

    I prefer “reactionary leftist”.

  60. Dewclaw says:

    I prefer “reactionary leftist”.

    “Islamo-fascist sympathizer” is my current fave….

  61. BoZ says:

    Giving a fuck about Democrat-as-adjective either way is a playground powerplay.

    “Democrat [blank]” was common usage, interchangeable with “-ic,” among pundits and junkies, aisle regardless, until the Democrats’ petty intimidation squad very recently, very suddenly turned against it.

    Random evidence:

    All the Democrat front-runners have been mowed down, more or less in order, in less time than it used to take to get rich on the Singapore Metals Exchange.

    That’s neocon stooge Hunter S. Thompson, writing on October 5, 1987 (one of two occurences within three paragraphs).

    He would advise you all not to be suckers.

  62. cynn says:

    Ok, Ric, thanks for that.  Can I just say this?  And I don’t believe I’ve mentioned it here before.  When I was growing up, during the Vietnam war, my dad was a classified employee with Motorola.  He used to bring home little sensor devices, plant them all over the yard, and call us out to play “sneak attack.” We would crawl on our tummies like Viet Kong and dad would register “hits.” We never knew they were bomb sensors.  My mom finally made him stop it.

  63. cynn says:

    You don’t speak for Hunter Thompson, and it still makes you sound like illiterates.

  64. Ric Locke says:

    cynn, yeah, that’s a perfect example. Your dad’s stuff worked, and worked well, but couldn’t distinguish (of course) between a VC with a load of Claymores and mamasan with a bucket of nouk mam. The VC simply shrugged and went around them at first. Then they discovered that anytime they did penetrate the DMZ, somebody in Washington had to approve doing anything about it—and by the time that cycle completed, the intruders could be crossing the Mekong. On foot. Pushing a wheelbarrow. The whiz kids’ whizbang innovation was wonderful, and useless.

    Incidentally, I wanted to snarkily congratulate you on an almost on-target analysis:

    I think Rumsfeld got the heave-ho because it was politically expediant, and he pissed off the actual military commanders.

    For “actual military commanders” substitute “chairwarming champions of weapons systems Rumsfeld deprecated, who got pushed out” and you’ve pretty well got it. There are a lot of them who were honestly irritated, and said so. They got the Vanity Fair treatment—their words taken out of context and used publicly after assurances of confidentiality—and others have taken note. That sort of thing may be a bit more difficult for the Times and H. Waxman to get in the future.

    Regards,

    Ric

  65. Sockpuppet in training says:

    Ric; my memory stinks so I had to use the internets, but I love mouthpiece trivia.  It is in my blood.

    Clinton sockpuppets were:

    1. Dee Dee Myers

    2. Mike McCurry

    3. Joe Lockhart

    4. Jake Siewert (who?)

    Stephonopholufugus was too ambitious to get paid to speak for a certified serial fabulist.  He was always an “unofficial” spokesman that sent someone else out to do the real dirty work.

  66. Dewclaw says:

    Ahhhh.. Dee Dee Myers.

    I’d hit it.

  67. cynn says:

    Ric- thanks for your response.  My dad and his in-the-day buds have an earful for this war campaign, but nobody’s listening, and they won’t speak out.  Dad can tell you about the probem of mounting missiles on drones, but once I told him I was of the DEMOCRAT persuasion, he clammed up.  But there’s no point.  As diad says, each generation has to learn again.

  68. Ric Locke says:

    cynn, in fairness a lot of the weasels biting Rumsfeld’s ass are descendants of those trained and domesticated in McNamara’s day. Rumsfeld thinks, and a lot of people agree, that the American military he took charge of was organized to fight the last war; M1A2 tanks, seventy tons of pure fearsomeness, are of minimal use in tracking down individuals with AKs. McNamara had some of the same thoughts, and also presided over major reorganizations; a lot of today’s criticisms echo those of the Sixties. Now as then, some of them are well-founded and some are bureaucrats defending their rice bowls. The problem with the Pareto Principle (the 80/20 rule) is that you have to deal with all hundred percent to find the twenty worth keeping.

    The difference is that McNamara was firmly of the Man in the Gray Flannel Suit persuasion, a true believer in centralization and “efficiency” and half-convinced, in his four o’clock morning wakenings, that the Soviets—the archetype of Central Authority—really would bury us. That was also the time of “conglomeration”, just before “vertical integration”, when people like James J. Ling were trying to prove that “a good manager can manage anything.” Rumsfeld’s experience and theories are quite different, focusing on flexibility, pushing authority down the pyramid, and rapidity of response. And if he’s got just a little too much of the thinking that gave us “lightfighters” and 9mm sidearms, well, nodoby’s ferpect.

    A lot of what McNamara and the Whiz Kids wanted to do just wasn’t quite possible with the technology of the time—and much of it is routine today. Much of what Rumsfeld wanted to do may well be beyond realistically available capabilities, but it might not be in a few years… there’s the Pareto Principle again. I was present at the first live-fire field test of “smart bombs”. There were three competitors, and (astonishingly) all of them worked. The same cannot be said of all the things tried then, or now.

    The thing that worries me is—there isn’t an imperialist bone in Rumsfeld’s body; much of the reason that we “don’t have enough troops in Iraq” is that the concept was to force the Iraqis to take charge of their own destiny, rather than sitting back and let the Americans handle it while carping about inefficiency. Mr. Gates is a return to realpolitik, and his concepts are likely to revolve around concepts like “taking charge” and “getting the situation under control” that will sound really good in Congressional hearings, but are, underneath it all, imperialist in substance if not intent. The result is likely to be a quagmire in reality.

    Unless—Thomas Jefferson, long ago, was criticized for not vetoing wrongheaded measures. His response (my paraphrase) was that the Congress was an expression of the will of the People, to be bowed to unless it was so plainly mistaken as to be egregious. It seems to me that George W. Bush is of somewhat the same persuasion. I wonder if what we might see in the near future is Bush retreating, deferring almost totally to the will of the Democratic Congress? Note that if he does that, in two years Democrats will own the war almost completely. Are you ready for the result?

    Regards,

    Ric

  69. serr8d says:

    I can see it all over the blogospere, the reeling Republicans peering into their navels wondering what and why and how this happened.  How could the party of the Right be so wrong?

    I found the best answer overseas….

    Probably the best one-paragraph summary, and prophecy, that I’ve read on the post-election.

    “It will take time for this to sink in among conservative Republicans. This election has been a major blow to their self-image and world-view. Like the Thatcherites, they got used to assuming that they were always right and would always be victorious. On Tuesday the voters told them they were wrong. It has taken many false starts for the Conservative party to get back in the game in Britain. Something similar could happen to the suddenly weakened Republicans. But there’s nothing they like more than a fight.”

    Republicans will first have to address the errors made in operations and tactics of the Wars, in Iraq, and Afghanistan.

    Then we have to address the philosophy of Conservatism; or, where it was misplaced. The housecleaning has to be swift. Some facts are now painfully obvious: Rummy’s bus ticket out of town was punched three weeks too late.  Bush is not a conservative. Martin Kettle is wrong when he says Bush is a Conservative, at least in the Reagan mold…

    “What happened this week was not complex. It was the crash of the conservative political project begun by Newt Gingrich in 1994 and crystallised under George Bush since 2000.”

    No, Martin, it was the steady departure from Reagan Conservatism.  The ‘Neo Conservative’ movement is a failure, and should be…sorry, shitcanned. 

    Bush fought the war in Iraq for the right reasons, but didn’t use enough force to finish…just like his dad, he stopped short of enough effort to knock out the opposition. Given all of the sentiment against the warn and Republicans, Bush is a liability. Even Rush Limbaugh is tired of ‘carrying his water’. This Republican ship won’t stop sinking until George Bush is mending fences in Texas.

    And the real winners aren’t the Democrats, but the terrorists: Islamic Facists or ‘Freedom Fighters’, with ‘Vendetta’ already planned for their next six generations.  Terrorists will get a reprieve, time they need to strengthen and rearm, and multiply.  Worst case, they will get Iraq, after we cut and run/pull out, with the possibility of Iraqi Oil.

    The Conservatives will fight, but first bloodletting should be inside the Republican party. This will take at least two years, for obvious reasons.  It may take up to six years: the 2008 Presidential Election loss, then 4 more years of Democrat control of the Government, before the pendulum starts to swing back.

    Let’s just hope that we don’t give the enemy all the time he needs to bring it back over here…

    TW: light43

    I swear, that’s what it says…

  70. cranky-d says:

    It will take time for this to sink in among conservative Republicans. This election has been a major blow to their self-image and world-view.

    I don’t feel this way at all.  My world-view is not based on whether “my party” wins or loses, nor is my self-image.  Rather, it is something that has evolved over the years via the reasoning and arguments involving both myself and others.  The fact that the Repulicans lost this time around does not change my reasoning in the slightest.  Nor should it.

    On the other hand, the party itself, and how they have been doing things, is long overdue for some re-alignment.  Many of those elected to office lost their way, and many of them probably were never more than RINOs in the first place.  It is time and past time to have people who truly attempt to align with the conservative position in all respects, or at least most of them.

  71. cynn says:

    ric, the only response I have is that Donald Rumsfeld was the go along get along stooge, and Robert Gates is the whack-a-mole enforcer, we are in for a ride of some kind or another.

  72. Dan Collins says:

    Ric–

    I know that Stephanopoulos was Clinton’s critter, but I mentioned him because I find the idea of someone saying that the President’s spokesperson has to STFU so unbelievably . . . incredible.

  73. Major John says:

    Monky seems to thing that Donald Rumsfeld was Ceasar.  I am sad and tired right now – I would only stoop to ad hominem, so I’ll just leave monky’s glorious and shining ignorance of all things martial stand on their own.

  74. we are in for a ride of some kind or another.

    I agree, but it’s kinda looking like one where i’m going to loose my cookies.

  75. Dan Collins says:

    Major John–

    Well, he did get stabbed from every direction at the Capitol.

  76. cynn says:

    Maj. John:  Get what rest you can, and i will too.  I will send the best possible hopes for the future,

  77. Ric Locke says:

    Donald Rumsfeld was the go along get along stooge, and Robert Gates is the whack-a-mole enforcer…

    I’m sorry, cynn, but that’s so far off base it makes me wonder which side you part your tentacles on.

    Regards,

    Ric

  78. Ric, I figured it just depended on who was getting along with who, but was afraid to ask.

  79. Dan Collins says:

    I think that parting the tentacles on the left means you’re trisexual.

  80. Ric Locke says:

    Hunh. Rumsfeld is a person who believes in dancing with the one who brung ‘im, but picturing him as “go along to get along” with anybody, the Holy Ghost included, is so far beyond my capability that I can’t even boggle.

    But I can (and did) whoop with laughter at picturing Robert Gates at the whack-a-mole table. To the extent that cynn’s notion has any validity she has it exactly backwards.

    Regards,

    Ric

  81. Dan Collins says:

    Ric–

    Probably the mole-whacking was a reference to the CIA background.

  82. cynn says:

    Ok, you guys win.  Whack-a-mole diplomacy rocks.  Long may it roll.

  83. Markos Moulitsas says:

    I go to a party to celebrate my victory, yes MY VICTORY, and I was hoping to have a few drinks and get laid.  Instead I am hearing that Dean, Schumer and that turd stealing cajun Carville are taking all the credit for my victory.  Totally ruined my night.  I didn’t get laid, it screwed up my buzz, and now all I have is a spliting headache.  I will deal with those douche bags in due course. 

    I come back and see Collins acting up.  Didn’t we give you fascist Bushophiles enough of an ass whooping last week?  Where are you from anyway–Colorado?  I hear Reverand Haggard needs some meth and a blow job–you might make a few bucks if you hurry. 

    Yeah I know that Lieberman escaped and managed to get elected again–don’t worry about him, I will do a Mel Gibson on that cryptorepublican soon enough. 

    My brownshirt swarms of netnuts are ready to pounce at a moments notice.  I have to find Carville first and pull his beating heart from his chest and eat it.  Then I get Schumer and school him on how to react to the master (no I am not talking about Hillary).  Then I bitch slap Dean into shape. 

    Then its back to dealing with Repubicans.  But the Democratic Party is due for a serious purge–and I am the man to do it.

  84. Ric Locke says:

    Oh, I see. It’s a meme. First cynn, then Kos, then the NYT, and by Friday it’ll be the Conventional Wisdom.

    If anything, Gates is of the “paralysis by analysis” school. I expect much solemn deliberation by specially appointed, highly-qualified committees, panels, and boards, all leaky as African fuel tanks. No moles need fear being whacked until they are conclusively identified and their vulnerable points precisely delineated, and then only with exactly that force judged sufficient to push them back in the hole. 3K word press release to follow.

    Regards,

    Ric

  85. Ric Locke says:

    And at that point I must take my leave. G’night all. Possibly a few words tomorrow, then off for sunny Mexico. Have fun.

    Regards,

    Ric

  86. cynn says:

    That made me want to throw up. Fortunatly, I don’t have to go to Mexico for the palliative.  Mexico comes to me.

  87. Markos Moulitsas says:

    Hey Ric Locke, don’t mistake me for someone who gives a rats ass about Rumsfeld.  Rumsfeld is to me what John Kerry is (or rather was) to the Republicans–we loved that cranky waterboarding bastard, he gave us great meaningless helpful press.  I wish Bush kept him on, but I am loving the fact he kept him on till the day after the election and then fired him.  I actually shit myself (well just a little) when that happened. 

    If that is not conclusive proof Bush is retarded, I don’t know what is. 

    And what the fuck is a meme?  Are you a sock puppet for John Kerry?  You sneaky little fucker–you really are full of surprises aren’t you?

  88. RiverCocytus says:

    Sockpuppet tastes good in the mornin’…

  89. McGehee says:

    I though we were having a discussion of who might shut up.

    Heh. It reminds me of a thread on another blog where someone finally had enough and posted (paraphrasing):

    All of you people yelling “Shut Up,” SHUT UP!

  90. Markos Moulitsas says:

    McGee, can I get you to give Dean and Carville a call and send them that message?

  91. Ric Locke says:

    Y’know, it pleases me to respond to “moulitsas” on this nearly-dead thread as if he were really who he purports to be.

    we loved that cranky waterboarding bastard [Rumsfeld –ed], he gave us great meaningless helpful press.

    (emphasis mine)

    Nice to see you admit it, Markos. The difference is that your criticism of Rumsfeld simply emphasized that you didn’t have enough knowledge of what you were supposed to be criticizing to make the “criticism” meaningful. John Kerry is a wonderful target because he’s a lying, egotistical braggart—and the fact that many of you credit him with “war heroism” simply confirms your ignorance.

    As for memes, just further affirmation of your bigotry. If there’s a person in American politics today less likely to “go along to get along” than Don Rumsfeld you’ll have a hard time identifying him (or her). But you cannot let go of BDS, can you? You’re like a street schizophrenic, unwilling to stay on the meds because it means they get lonely without the voices in their head.

    For the next couple of weeks, you and the entire Press will be repeating the lie that Rumsfeld never had an independent thought of his own, that it all came from George Bush via a compliant mouthpiece—which will allow you to continue to spray “Hate Bush! Hate! Hate!”

    George Bush should have grown up to be indistinguishable from John Kerry—an elitist Eastern asshole with the certainty of entitlement. (He got stick for that from the Right.) Instead he abandoned all that to join the Christianist mouth-breathers, and as a True Believer you’re obligated to hate the apostate. It’s one of the reasons you’re in the position you’re in, as absolutely confident of your own personal victory as Nasrallah is. But for some reason, Dean, Carville, etc. don’t seem to be anxious to acknowledge that, do they? Poor fellow. But irrational hate will do that to you.

    Regards,

    Ric

  92. B Moe says:

    I am still trying to figure out how it became accepted fact that Bush fired Rumsfield.  Seriously, did I miss something?

  93. B Moe, I think it’s strictly the timing.  Never mind that Rumsfeld has mentioned trying to tender his resignation on a few previous occassions.  kinda the opposite of “you can’t fire me, I quit!” Are most fired people allowed to work for another month?

  94. ThomasD says:

    B Moe, as much as I want to agree with your sentiment it just ain’t so.  Barring any external issue (health/family) Rummy would never leave as long as the President still wanted him around.  That’s the nature of service.  Maybe it was more mutual than most departures, but Bush still wanted it to happen.

  95. Markos Moulitsas says:

    Well Ric, you figured me out didn’t you.  My whole life has been a waste and a lie.  I think I better go back to therapy and leave this stuff to adults who know better. 

    And McGhee you can shut up too.

  96. RiverCocytus says:

    mmm kos sockpuppet tasty.

    Good to chew on all day long!

  97. RiverCocytus says:

    You know, Moulitsas is actually kind of a living parody- like a continuous act- a stupid one, but an act nonetheless.

    I mean, aside from seeing the flesh and blood, how would you know? Anyone could call themselves M&M and start ranting like hopped-up 14-year-old.

    It is, however, greatly entertaining.

    Cheers to our ‘lil Moulitsas!

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