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Nice overview on the subject at Opinion Journal. Courts slapping down laws that require voters to produce identification because it imposes an “undue hardship,” whereas
People in the good state of Missouri need photo identification to cash a check, board a plane or apply for food stamps. But the state Supreme Court has ruled that a photo ID requirement to vote is too great a burden on the elderly and the poor. Go figure.
Illegals seem to be able to get plenty of identification at the DMV offices of most states, too.
Public polls consistently show that an overwhelming majority of Americans–regardless of age, race, ethnicity or socioeconomic status–favor voter ID laws. And nearly half of the nation’s states have passed them. Yet a string of recent court decisions has blocked their implementation in some places, thus siding with Democrats and liberal special interest groups who would rather turn a blind eye to voter fraud.
That’s what’s called “good activism.”
RELATED: Beth at MVRWC asks, “What’s a Duckworth?”
Some evil guy named Limbaugh dared to disagree in the 6-1 decision:
In his dissenting opinion, Judge Stephen Limbaugh Jr. took issue with the fact that the majority opinion actually played down the existence of vote fraud. “Although the majority agrees that there is some evidence of voter fraud at the voter registration stage, they discount that evidence as if it had no connection with fraud at the polling place,” wrote Judge Limbaugh. “But why else does voter registration fraud occur if not to vote persons fraudulently registered?”
Isn’t voting by illegals protected speech? Next thing you’ll be rendering them extraordinarily you neo-thugs.
Fortunately, the nuts at ACORN are on the job:
But there’s a reason that Democrat partisans are more interested in raising the specter of Jim Crow than in protecting the integrity of the voting process. And here’s a clue: While the Missouri Supreme Court was preparing its decision earlier this month, the Kansas City Star and St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran front-page stories about the thousands of fraudulent voter registrations submitted by Acorn, a national left-wing group financed in part by organized labor.
According to the Star, Acorn’s voter registration drive generated some 35,000 applications, “but thousands of them appear to be duplicates or contain dubious data.” The report went on to note that “[n]ear the top of the fishy list would be a man named Mark who apparently registered seven times over a three-day period using his mother’s home address and phone number.” Mom told the paper he hadn’t lived there in six years.Acorn and its affiliates have been among the most active and vocal opponents of voter ID laws in Missouri and nationwide. Now we know why.
Of course, this is the kind of ridiculous fear-mongering that you’d expect from Opinion Journal. A variety of saner opinions can be found in the sidebar:
MISSOURI RULING | Election is three weeks off: Court scraps voter ID law
The Kansas City Star | Oct 17, 2006VOTING FRAUD IS MOSTLY A MYTH
uExpress | Oct 14, 2006New voter registration laws keep thousands off the rolls
USA TODAY | Oct 11, 2006Voter ID laws target the vulnerable
USA TODAY | Oct 6, 2006LAURA SCOTT COMMENTARY – COMMENTARY: Voter photo ID law is an unnecessary burden
The Kansas City Star | Sep 25, 2006PHOTO ID’S ARE SOLUTION TO PROBLEM THAT DOESN’T EXIST
uExpress | Sep 23, 2006
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ID seems like a panacea. But what happens if I’m voting and someone says my ID is no good? say, someone of a different race than me that might have a higher error rate when comparing people to old photos outside their race? Or someone the average age of a poll worker? What happens then? Do I get to vote provisionally—taking the same amount of time as regular voting—or do I just hold up the entire line for everyone as the decision of the poll worker gets appealed?
You get to vote provisionally. Thumbprint system as in Mexico would seem to be a good thing.
What if hte government doesn’t have my thumbprint?
The government DOESN’T have your thumbprint. The only reason it would be there is for matching purposes if someone tried to toss it out by stating that the person representing himself as you wasn’t you. If it’s yours, the provisional ballot is destroyed after it’s certified. If it’s fraudulent, it’s potential evidence for a civil prosecution.
hey actus. What happens if you show up to vote and they’ve got a little checkmark showing you’ve already voted?
If you really want to stop voter fraud, you’d require people to put purple ink on fingers after voting.
Simple, effective, doesn’t stop anyone from voting once.
Does it take care of absentee ballots? no, but neither does checking ID at the polls.
And this is why these laws keep getting struck down…. they don’t even deal with the issue in a credible way.
Furthermore, I’m always amazed at the extreme lack of perspective that people have when faced with this issue.
Yes, YOU need an ID to survive. Plenty of people without their heads up their a**es don’t. You probably have no respect for them, as they are generally the old and the poor…people dependent on others to survive. But the reality is, a LOT of these people exist. You can make the point that they shouldn’t be voting if they can barely participate in society, though, at leaswt it would be a more honest argument.
Me seems to be alot stupider than I am, should we be concerned?
Or if they want to vote so badly, why not get them the “free” ID cards from the state?
Come on, if the activists can round up the buses to empty the neighborhoods of shut-ins who haven’t cashed a check, opened a bank account, written a check, paid a power bill, bought alcohol, driven a car, traveled abroad, flown, gotten a prescription filled, etc….. to register and vote in the first place, surely, they could get these people a form for an ID card.
I’m amazed at the extreme lack of concern over fraud. Purple ink only addresses a portion of the issue. Missouri has offered to provide these people with identification at no cost, for the purpose of voting. I imagine that there might even be states willing to send someone to the home to create a voter ID on the spot, provided the requester had proper identification. Or do you believe that that also would be burdensome?
You would think perhaps some of you idiots would look to the opinion of the Missouri Supreme Court before embarrassing yourselves with your ignorance, but NO!
The Missouri Constituion says at
Article VIII
SUFFRAGE AND ELECTIONS
Section 2
Local election boards in Missouri issue voter registration cards when voters register. The cards include a speciman of the registered voters signature for comparison at the polling place.
No Photo ID is required, because the Missouri constitution does not permit unfunded mandates. If the legislature wants to force voters to purchase photo ID’s in order to vote – then they must fund the photo ID’s, otherwise, the requirement acts as an illegal poll tax. For imbeciles likely to frequent this blog and probably unaware of history – poll taxes were unlawful taxes used to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising their constitutional rights – and were quite popular in many of the same states now using the bogus photo ID issue to disenfranchise the same voters once again. The beast flesh creeps back. Once a slave state [almost] always a slave state.
And yes – that is drug-addicted fatass Rush Limbaugh’s brother casting the dissenting vote in an otherwise unanimous decision.
Nice try to disenfranchise the poor and elderly by Republican assholes – but it just didn’t work in Mizzou. They’ve got this thing called a constitution that actually protects their rights.
Then, so if the ID’s are fully funded, then you’re cool, Bob?
I quote from the article:
This poll tax issue is bullshit. But you’re just the sort of idiot who’s useful for our purposes. Personally, I want the poor and elderly to vote, and I’d like a system where felons can be rehabbed to vote, after staying clean for a while and taking some kind of civics class.
You’re a real nimrod, you know?
Is it protecting the rights of all legitimate voters? I don’t think so.
I’d say that generally, we’d be satisfied if we could just disenfranchise the phantom voters and fraudulent ballots. But I can damn sure see why you’d be opposed to that. The legacy of Duvall County, Texas (circa 1948) dies hard in the hearts of true Dems.
Somehow, I don’t think Bob’d be cool with it……
– Maybe we should just set up the polling places at 7/11’s or WaaWaa’s, and then everyone would be carded, and we could make it a little harder for the dead to vote.
BBh–
There you go, disenfranchising the Dead again. Better watch out on Halloween.
You guys have been beating this “voter fraud” drum for years. Have you found one documented case of even one illegally-cast vote? Note that I didn’t say illegal registration. Registrations don’t affect elections, votes do. Have you ever found even one invalid vote? Just one piece of evidence that this is a problem?
In contrast, we’ve got documented cases of tens of thousands of Democratic voters being disenfranchised by voter suppression tactics.
bobdevo has mental problems. I could have taken him seriously if he wasn’t such a chump. Ok, who pissed in his corn flakes?
But even after all his “manly” talk (I wonder if he is a pacifist?), he does have a point, imho, in regards to the unfunded mandate of photo ID’s. I think they should fund it. Without a doubt. However, the poll tax comparison is bullshit as Dan articulated. If bobdevo really thinks that all that is needed is signatures, then he is also pretty naive on top of his anger management problem.
Name one.
Then, we’ll have a little talk about this.
Josh…let’s see em, ok. I am not being a dick, either(that’s bobdevo’s thing). I would just like to see the massive evidence of voter disenfranchisement and what you consider voter suppression.
Why on earth would Acorn bother will illegal registrations if they didn’t intendo for those registrations to end up as votes? Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
I also find it interesting that there’s an ad-hominem attack on Judge Limbaugh via his brother. Does the fact that his brother is an ex-drug user really enter in to whether or not his opinion on something completely unrelated is valid?
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The funny thing is whenever “free-market” types are arguing against regulation, and these would be fairly consistantly people on the right, a keystone argument for them is that you should NOT make a law to stop something from happening, that hasn’t happened. Mike McCurry was making just this point against the current Net Neutrality brouhaha (i.e. no need to make a law stopping telco’s from abusing their power, if they haven’t abused it). This applies here as well. So far NO ONE has shown any evidence that voter fraud is the problem, so why make laws to fight this non-existant problem?
Secondly, even if there were a vote fraud problem, EVERYONE should find it troubling that the only solution is being offered by people on one side of the political spectrum, and seems to geared towards negatively impacting valid voters of the oppposite political spectrum. Doesn’t that raise red flags for anyone concerned with protecting the legitimacy of our democracy? IF there is a voter fraud problem, couldn’t we find a solution that is more bi-partisanly equitable?
Yup.
I find it a sobering thought that I have to verify my identification more thoroughly to buy a six-pack of Bud than to choose the leaders of this nation.
I want to hear the other side say “Yes, voter fraud is something that we should work hard to prevent.”
Anything less compromises the system.
What if one party likes the problem? What if one party actively exacerbates the problem? Shal wee just ignore it, because they won’t like anything that fixes it?
– Just stop for a minute and consider which side thinks that there’s something sinister, and melevolent about simply requiring people to show their ID’s to vote, and you know all you need to about this issue.
– What’s ironic is that in case after case, every time the left challanges an election result, more often than not they come out even worse than when they started. It’s another desperate ploy to try to reverse loss’s. Apparently after 18 years they still havn’t gotten the message they’re in the minority now.
Wisconsin’s my home state. Here’s a little background on the fraud there last time around.
Here’s 4000+ there Joshy boy.
Does anybody else see the booming irony in our trolls rejecting the Missouri constitution as a living document? Somebody check and see if there is a right to privacy in there…
– The voters Mickey Mouse, and Donald duck were proud to cast their votes for J.F’kn Kerry in Ohio.
Felons can’t vote…
But the states that had poll taxes think they should be able to manage their own elections again?
If you can’t do the time…don’t do the crime.
– There’s simply no criminal activity the Left isn’t willing to condone and defend. The more criminal the better.
Sure, monkyboy. Just turn it over to the ward bosses in Chicago and Boston.
Nothing to see here eh Josh? Nooooo. People shouldn’t worry about voter fraud.
The shear idiocy of Joshie and the Trollettes could be assuaged by a run through the 1960 presidential election, when the dead came out like a George romero movie to vote in Illinois and Texas, thanks to Daley and Johnson. you guys can’t see the forest for the trees but, then again, being arrogant, condescending, abusive, assholes who think that all conservatives are idiots and hitlers makes you, somehow, keepers of the poor folk flame and trumpeters of the poll tax disenfranchisement ‘Thugs.
Take it somewhere the IQ level is in single digits.
BJ, the thing is, their IQs are so low that the two of them could drag the average IQ of a worldwide Mensa convention into low single digits just by walking past the front door.
Well, Josh has been nuked and Rodney may have to rethink this statement, “So far NO ONE has shown any evidence that voter fraud is the problem, so why make laws to fight this non-existant problem?”. Umm…what to do next?
BTW, Rodney, if there is a voter fraud problem BOTH parties should seek to fix THAT problem and start offering solutions. It’s telling that you don’t address the need to fix the problem but latch onto the “alleged” evil republican suppression meme. You guys don’t like the voter ID solution…fine. How about a proposed solution then? BTW, not all homeless, poor, black and old people are democrats so that was a gross exaggeration. But it is par for the democratic course to prey on the vulnerable. Trust us, once we’re in charge you’ll no longer be homeless or poor. We’re working on the old and black part. Bear with us. Democrats run the majority of the biggest cities and yet that is where the majority of the homeless and poor and black live. I love the smell of demagoguery in the morning.
If you really want to stop voter fraud, you’d require people to put purple ink on fingers after voting.
But…but…what if it’s Fingerpaint Day at the State Home for the Habitually Bewildered, and you’ve carelessly chosen to reproduce Van Gogh’s Iris? Or perhaps you actually did Starry Night, but the elderly poll worker can’t tell purple from blue?
Or perhaps you’re out tagging a bridge, and accidentally get a little purple on your finger when the cops nab you?
Or maybe you’re the guy who stamps USDA on cuts of beef, and when you go to change the ink in your stamper, it leaks?
Or what if you’re just an ink-stained wretch?
Then you will be denied the right to vote, simply because of a cruel and unnecessary burden to keep your finger purple-ink free on election day!
Or, conversely, suppose you’re a hand model. Voting means perhaps a week without those lucrative Palmolive commercials! Unconscionable!
Haven’t they suffered enough?
The poll taxes issue is important. So in this case, you should not have to pay anything to vote. Cool. So, the state can provide a free ID card for the purposes of voting. There. That problem is solved. Hell, while we’re at it, lets do the ink thing too as a redudant method of verification. Why? Because I’ve got enough Engineer in me to know its a good idea.
Stop voter fraud. Stop Democrat obstruction of progress. Jackson, that old Democrat, would be apopleptic with rage at seeing what his party does these days in supposed populism; which he would have seen as an excuse to grab power. Populism is not about power, but about the will of the people. Demogogues just never understood that.
TW: You guys just got served.
Well, that went well, I think. Second wave should arrive any time now.
– For the ink stained wretches Dan, they could use bleach as an alternative…..
Hehe, this wasn’t a jaywalking ticket…
America had to go to the trouble of passing an amendment to the Constitution to get “certain” states to stop this practice…
I’d say that rates at least 100 years of supervision…2064 sound about the right time to re-examine this matter.
The 24th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.
Pablo – The slashed tires are voter suppression. Like I said, voter suppression is a real problem. It’s illegally-cast votes that I said was nonsense.
As for the stuff in Washington State, you’ve got a lot of invalid votes, but very few of them sound like intentional fraud. You’ve got felons who don’t know that they’re not supposed to vote, and the bookkeeping wasn’t good enough to prevent them. You’ve got provisional ballots that were dealt with by lazy pollworkers who didn’t bother to check eligibility. By my count, there’s a grand total of about 25 votes there that are intentional fraud. Of those, it looks like maybe a dozen would have been stopped by a voter ID law.
As for the tens of thousands of democratic voters suppressed? Let’s look at Florida, 2000. The method they used to suppress voters was simple. They compiled a list of felons. Then, they ordered that anybody whose name was the same as the name of a felon be removed from the voter rolls. The company doing the work warned that the felon rolls contained lots of blacks with common names, like “john washington” and “james jefferson,” and that the removing everyone with a matching name would disenfranchise tens of thousands of blacks. The company repeated this warning over and over. Jeb Bush ordered them to proceed anyhow, overriding the company’s objections. The results were exactly as the company predicted: tens of thousands of people were disenfranchised, about half of them black. The only thing to conclude, given that the results were entirely predictable and repeatedly predicted, is that they were the results that Jeb Bush desired.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File
But of course, Florida is hardly the only example, it’s just the biggest. For example, this year, Republican candidate Tad Nguyen warned a thousand naturalized (legal) latino immigrants that they would be arrested if they showed up to vote.
Let us say that you’re too feeble to walk to the polling station, so you need to drive, but you haven’t paid vehicle registration. So, you’re pulled over and ticketed and the polls close before you get there.
Is that a tax? Have you been deprived of your constitutional right?
Sure, monkyboy. I’m certain that the citizens of New Orleans would like you to go down there and do some carpetbagging for them.
“…citizens of the United States…”
– Read that passage again monkeyface, and try to focus on the subject. The above is the key part, and appears in every reference of the right to vote in every document that speaks of it. Pretty simple, unless you’re digging for a way out of legal voting.
– Maybe they should say something about voters requiring to be alive too, for the benefit of the Left.
I guess the real point, Dan, is that even if we allowed “certain” states to require voter ID, we have no guarantee the ID of “certain” voters wouldn’t be questioned by election workers…better to err on the side of caution a might longer…say 50 more years.
I propose that we dumb@$$, Southerners just simply turn over our elections to the fine folks at Chicago, NYC and Boston.
Remember, we’re dumbass racist backwards redneck hicks, but they really want our votes..
And monkeychild once again sidesteps the whole “poll tax” to boot.
I had to buy stamps the last time I mailed in my absentee ballot. Guess I paid a poll tax of about $0.37 . Think of the children. I mean, a fella’s gotta eat and all.
Mishu – That’s a guy hacking into a database. How the heck is a voter ID law supposed to prevent that!? Besides, that wasn’t actual vote fraud: no votes were altered.
I see. Is this going to be a Mason-Dixon thing, or do you have specific states in mind? Please list them, if that’s the case.
Sez Josh. From his link:
emphasis added
The law was passed by a Democrat majority legislature. Jeb Bush was mandated to carry it out. What part of mandated do you not understand?
From the Wiki you link:
They followed the law, Josh. It applies to everyone equally. If it is problematic, then the system should be fixed. In terms of your argument, it isn’t evidence of anything, and I don’t see anything partisan about it. Furthermore, if you aren’t on the list, you can vote on a provisional ballot. Cleaning the crap off of voters rolls is a good thing.
That’s not what he says.
Give me a paper trail on every vote on every machine in the US within 10 years, and I’ll concede to the moronic requirement that everyone has to have an ID.
I don’t know if I see the main fear here. Is it that you think a bunch of illegal immigrants from Mexico will vote for Democrats? Is there any evidence of this even being possible on a large enough scale to seriously alter any national election?
The proven, inherent possibilities that exist within the electronic voting system DO, however present such a risk.
No, Jeb Bush was NOT mandated to do what he did. The law said that he had to purge felons. But that’s not what he did. He purged everyone who had the same name as a felon. He didn’t have to do that: he had birthdays as well, which would have narrowed the number of false matches to a miniscule number. He chose to ignore them. That goes way beyond what the law requires.
They seem to think it is.
While you are pulling those numbers out your ass you might want to see if you can find your head in there.
KC,
Yes, we agree on something. I want nothing less than that the voting system be as bomb-proof and tight as possible. With elections becoming more and more likely to be litigated after tallys (from both sides), reestablishing faith in the entire voting process is essential.
Otherwise, people are going to wonder what the whole point of voting is if the whole thing is going to end up in the courts anyway.
– KC…out here in Kalifornicate, some races are decided by fewer than 1500 votes or less. With 24 million (at least) mixed, mostly non-citizens running around, It’s safe to say that it’s a tiny bit of a concern, yes. Guess which side wants desperately to keep it that way.
Source, please.
From David Kopel’s “59 Deceits in Fahrenheit 911”
emphasis mine
And, of course, Jeb Bush was personally imploring the company to meet the criteria. Your collective need to justify your hatred and desire for power is just disgusting.
Pablo, about Jeb Bush’s voter disenfranchisement methodology: “They followed the law, Josh. It applies to everyone equally. If it is problematic, then the system should be fixed.”
Actually, you’re right. Some of the blame does lie on the law. The law was clearly designed to stop voter fraud, but it’s actual primary effect was to disenfranchise voters. The solution? No more laws like that.
Yes, let’s only let half the dead people voting actually count as votes.
– Reflecting on this obvious effort to keep voter legality loosey goosey by the Left, maybe this situation, allowing the dead and illegal voting, coupled with the cheerleading of the Liberal press, is the only way that the Democrats can remain a viable political party.
– From that standpoint, and appriciating their rag-tag idiotarian contrast, making it that much easier to defeat time after time, maybe we should stop trying so hard to make them follow an honest course. Another indication of the “usefull idiot” aspect of what’s become of their party.
BJTexs – let’s see. You’re a poll worker, and you’ve got a so-called “felon list” which you know has been engineered to disenfranchise as many blacks as possible. You have two choices: use the list and disenfranchise blacks, or don’t use the list, and enfranchise felons.
You can’t blame the poll worker here. He’s been put between a rock and a hard place. Blame the person who put him there.
These are the states that have to clear any changes in their voting laws with the U.S. government, Dan:
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Georgia
Louisiana
Mississippi
South Carolina
Texas
Virginia
If y’all don’t like it…blame Bush.
He could have vetoed the renewal of the Voting Rights Act.
What the hell does this even mean? I have voted over a dozen times in my life, mostly paper ballots, and never gotten a receipt from anybody. Can you imagine the clusterfuck of trying to recreate and validate an election by gathering up and comparing the receipts of all the participating voters? Yet you consider a picture ID moronic?
The slave trade in Alaska was appalling.
“…..which you know has been engineered to disenfranchise as many blacks as possible.”
– Well here we go. Whenever the Left feels they’re losing another losing battle, “POP” goes the race card.
– The problem is that record numbers of Black voters are tired of empty promise’s that are really just ways to “welfare entrapment”, keeping them down on the plantation ploys by the Democrats for all these years, and are jumping ship. So the race card is losing influence badly.
– The right has no reason to do the things the Left accuse them of, and uses as scare tactics to avoid cleaning up the election system, but they’ll keep trying to float this nonsense because it’s all they’ve got left.
Huh? Source, please. Your wiki link says this:
Please explain how the primary effect of the law was to disenfranchise voters, particularly given the process to correct erroneous purges. Less than half of those who appealed were found to be wrongly purged.
What would you have posted, monkey, if Bush HAD vetoed the VRA renewal?
Good Lordy, the wails from the internet would have become manifest.
I love that list:
notice the lack of:
Arkansas
North Carolina
Flordia
Missouri
Kentucky
West Virginia
Maryland
Delaware
(all former slave-allowing states)
B Moe – he didn’t call for a receipt, he called for a paper trail.
Here’s how a paper trail works. You vote on a voting machine. The voting machine prints out your ballot for you on cardstock, probably with a bar-code on the side. You examine your ballot to make sure that the voting machine didn’t cheat. It’s not necessary for everyone to examine their ballots carefully – it’s only necessary that a small percentage do, because if the machine is cheating, somebody will notice. You then drop your ballot into a ballot box. Later, somebody feeds all the ballots into a tally machine which scans them and adds them all up.
The advantage of this system is that getting away with fraud is almost impossible. If the voting machine is rigged to produce illegal bar-codes, then a forensic investigator can easily detect it after the fact by examining the cards. If the tally-machine produces an invalid tally, a forensic investigator can check it by tallying the ballots manually.
This system is strong because there’s a paper record of everything.
You have to wonder why conservatives are so strongly opposed to reliable recordkeeping methods.
And Tennessee
Valid voters of the opposite spectrum?
Give me a break.
The legitimacy of our democracy?
What is legitimate about dead people’s votes? what is legitimate about voting six or seven times? What is legitimate about unregistered Alzheimers patients votes? What is legitimate about Skid Row winos voting for a bottle of Ripple?
I have to show ID for so many bullshit things that I can’t believe it. But they say it’s an imposition to have a voter ID? Bullshit! Anyone who opposes voter ID’s wants nothing more than to sustain illegal voting. Case closed. There is no way around it. And who is it that ALWAYS objects to these ID’s?
Stop insulting our intelligence. You may not want to grow up, but many of us already have.
“You have to wonder why conservatives are so strongly opposed to reliable recordkeeping methods.”
– That’s simply partisan bullshit Josh. Links to examples?
– Put forth a really tight, generally foolproofish system, and the Left would go ballistic. You’d get every group of Liberal activists from Maine to Mexico, including the “Greenies” who’d be screaming about dead tree’s, and the ACLU that would be screaming about disenfranchising dead voters rights. You’re comment is fucked.
You have to wonder why conservatives are so strongly opposed to reliable recordkeeping methods.
‘Cuz you bastard leftists will use that list to round us up in the Purges–like you always have….
If a ‘racial category’ is engineered to include as many felons as possible, then it is easy to argue they are being disenfrachised.
The raw demographics are not the Republicans’ fault. Don’t whine about it. By the way, we do need laws preventing voter fraud, just as we need laws preventing voter disenfranchisement.
A felon can’t vote. A non-citizen can’t vote. A citizen cannot vote twice. All voters must be living. Voting must be free. Voting must be in a public place. Vote-casting must be private. No poll tax may be levied. The burden of paying for the costs of making voting free as an act will be levied on citizens according to the amount of taxes they pay. Free service must be provided to allow willing citizens to vote. An act that willfully prevents any citizen from casting a vote for whomever they wish will be considered criminal, but the rights in the Bill of Rights may not be infringed by these statements.
That do it for ya?
Where is this coming from? Is there any law on the books against the system you describe? Then any local precinct is free to use it if they so choose, right? How many primarily Democratic precincts are doing this?
– That wouldn’t work for the Left River. Theres no room for “artistic expression”, or “imginative voting”. Besdies it just has to be a sinister plot to somehow (conspiracy to be determined later) limit the Democrats right to be “inventive”, and the exercise of “free expression”. Or something. They’ll think of something. Anything but cleaning up the system. that would just be “wrong”.
– A trully fair, equitable, LEGAL election system would be the kiss of death for the Left.
I’m the real me. Not the Me from above.
A guy hacks into a database of registered voters. He’s able gather all necessary information(names, addresses, phone numbers, SSN’s) about voters to create fake voter registration cards—cards that don’t require picture ID for validation—and you can’t summon the imagination that that stolen information can’t be used for voter fraud? Do you really need a cluebat to the head to figure that one out?
Leftists are soooooooooo tolerant of victims of all sorts of stuff until it is a conservative who is affected.
Cute, isn’t it?
Why do libs hate drug addicts and gays so much? Does this only happen when a vote is imminent?
Unless you are a conservative or Republican.
Then you are to be shot if you are gay or a drug addict, at least. The lib jury is still out on pederasty. A soon as Ted Kennedy is caught with a little boy, it’ll be Ok for libs, but not conservatives or Republicans.
Almost as amusing as the folks who screamed loudest to push electronic voting into the booths before it was ready now screaming that it’s open to abuse.
Well, no shit, Sherlock. How about we wait next time, huh? Maybe run them boxes through the same security checks that electronic slot machines in Vegas have to go through before they hit the floor?
Nice pic, BTW. “Dawn of the Dead”?
Actually, righties don’t have a problem with papertrails like you describe, Josh. It was Democrats who bitched about the butterfly ballots after the 2000 election, which led to this change to electronic only machines. Note that the top election officials in the FLA counties where the butterfly ballot was criticised were Democrats, but the left doesn’t care who is thrown under the bus when they need a win.
I don’t see where any conservatives are against secure voting. What I see here is lefties making lame excuses and accusing others of being crypto-racists for wanting to require a valid ID card to vote. Besides, it was states run by Democrats who had the poll taxes in the first place, not Republicans.
Claiming that an ID card is an “illegal poll tax” is a completely stupid arguement as states already require anyone over the age of 18 to have an ID card to begin with. Face it, that arguement is a strawman and judges who use it are idiots. The poor have to have an ID to receive benifits and the old have to have one to receive Social Security. Besides, the bipartisan commission that investigated the FLA debacle found no evidence that republicans sought to disenfranchise anyone. It’s just more leftists lies to distract from the very real and documented evidence of voter fraud committed throughout history by the Democratic party.
Hey, what’s wrong with a little 107% precinct turnout? It’s the Madison County and Cook County way!
mojo,
Exactly. People come for the posts, but they stay for the trolls. McGehee ought to be by to tell me I have to clean them in awhile.
Mmmmm….Wikipedia as a scientific reference for evidence of voter suppression.
If you are that naive to use what amounts to anecdotal accounts of paranoid-edited testimonies as the truth, you really should not vote yourself.
And which conservatives have called for eliminating the paper trail again? Or are opposed to reliable recordkeeping methods? Keeping all these things in place and adding voter ID just makes it more secure, doesn’t it? You have to wonder why liberals are so strongly oppos… no, actually we don’t, we know why.
I beg to differ.
Any truly fair, equitable, legal system would be the kiss of death for the Left.
This is by far the best comment thread I’ve ever witnessed on Protein Wisdom.
Did ya also notice the [citation needed] blocks all over that article? Geez, a google search would have taken the same amount of time.
That’s the problem when you start with Huffington commentary as your primary source…
Matt, thanks for your kind comment. I just (barely) checked out your place. I think Jeff ought to consider this for wallpaper.
Up here on my little corner of the Rez, there are vans who take people from poll to poll, voting multiple times using phony registration names. Some voters are (well) under 18. Any guesses regarding which party receives the votes?
From my own personal experience, that’s a helluva good reason to mandate ID at the polls.
– Slamming the “L” out of the Left, and it’s idiotarian positions geezer?…. *Heh*
TW: provided66 ….which means we’re still 6 trolls short of a idoot village….
HEY, DAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!
there’s some guy out front in a burnt orange jumpsuit wearing a rig that look right out of “Ghostbusters.” He got this Gi-normous spray nozzle hosed to this huge back tank that says <i>”Trolls R Ded!” He says McGehee sent him to “kick ass, take names and commit mass murder.”
What do you want me to tell him?
Dan….whatever you do, don’t forget to use the double coupons offer….
BJ–
Do what he say’s. I’m just troll-bait.
um, Dan…
He says that you might want to leave the thread for at least 5 hours. He’s never seen an infestation as bad as this…
Feh….Then he’s never been to San Francisco…..