me: “Point of pants etiquette: is it okay to wear a boot cut jean with, say, New Balance cross trainer tennis shoes, or maybe a leather dock shoe without socks?”
Levi’s: “Well, that depends. Do you want a real answer?—or is this gonna be like the time I told you it was most definitely not okay to go free-balling in a loose-fit button-fly, but you went ahead and embarrassed yourself with the inadvertant turtlehead in front of that Safeway checkout girl just the same?
“Because if it is, I’d just as soon save my breath.”

Ah yes. In my house it’s called “The Steak Escape” and as your children grow older, attention must be paid when cavorting in your boxers.
Oh, yeah. Put inadvertent in the mouth of the Levis. That’ll buy credibility.
Sure, pal. Inadvertent. That’s what all the perv’s say.
Come along quietly, now.
SB: morning
wood
You need to shop at Albertsons, they don’t seem to mind.
TWmouse Sir! Sir! Please! I can see your trouser mouse!
No, it is not appropriate to wear boot-cut jeans with a leather dock shoe without socks. It is not appropriate for a man to wear a leather shoe of any sort without socks. It is inappropriate for a man to be in public without his socks, anyway, except at the beach. Boot-cut jeans are fine with a leather dock shoe and socks. Just don’t wear white socks. White socks only match athletic shoes.
The cross trainer is fine. As long as you are wearing socks.
And while you’re at it, find a comb. And a belt.
And some suspenders. You don’t want those pants FALLING DOWN while you are ‘free-ballin’ do you? Certainly no one else does. Redundancy, because it works.
You say this “turtlehead”, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
tw: it may depend on local use
Maybe they were on backwards?
Never heard that use of turtlehead before, Rob.
In its defense, I think my Levi’s were just being descriptive, and I knew exactly what the pants were talking about from context.
See? Intentionalism. It’s what’s for dinner.
Always called it “hanging a brain”, turtlehead goes the other way.
used to do the hanging a brain thing in the bars, see how long you could go without anyone noticing…
Of course I always lost.
Elephant in the room you know.
Fat Bastard (in Austin Powers) used the term “turtlehead” as defined by rob b.
“It looked so good this morning, I decided to leave it out the whole day!”
— WWI postcard quip
SB: glass
no thanks, I’m fine
rvman: You do realize that there is a whole segment of society that rarely wears socks with casual shoes? I speak, of course, of preppies. Especially a boat shoe. If you’re really sailing, your feet may get wet, and anyway a sock prevents good “communication” between the bottom of your foot and the deck of the boat.
However, I think you kind of have to grow up with the sockless thing. If you can’t do it without thinking, it might be hard to pull off.
I have no comment on any of the rest.
If you are in the habit exhibiting your turtlehead (by your definition) while free-ballin’ in baggies, perhaps you should wear the sock somewhere other than your foot.
Well, that redefines sock-puppet now doesn’t it?
Hmmm.
@ Jeff
Ask your Levis for me if it’s wrong to wear a leather rhinestone studded jockstrap under my Levis or if it’s de rigeur?
I’d ask mine but, for some damn reason, the frigging thing doesn’t ever say anything. Even when I waterboarded it, which has been represented by the international community as torture, these Levis hung tough and wouldn’t speak.
So I then resorted to using an electric drill on the knees. That could be torture but the terrorists have been doing that for decades and nobody’s said a damn thing so I figure, what the hell. Maybe it’s allowed eh?
sw: I’m anti. Not sure of what. But if you list a few things I’ll be sure to let you know.
Hmmmm.
Especially if you get all humorous and put a pair of eyes, some ears and a smile on it.
“Here’s Mr. Happy!”
sw: Are you ready?
Oh great—now the SadlyNoNothings are going to be up in sleeves-that-wrap-all-the-way-around over sockslapping.
Well, I can surely see that I have been shopping at the WRONG grocery store.
Every time I hear “turtlehead” I think of the scene in the movie Rat Race with Jon Lovitz in Hitler’s car. That was funny.
A lady was sitting next to an elderly Winston Churchill at dinner in his honor.
She wrote a note and passed it to him.
The note read, “Sir Winston, your fly is open.”
Winny wrote a reply and handed the note back.
It read, “Madame, a dead bird rarely falls out of the nest.”
I had to stop laughing my head off long enough to show that Jeff is not the only one who describes that particular malfunction as having points in common with the behavior of a turtle.
I’m going to go with “uncomfortable” on this one.
Socks with boat shoes? Perish the thought!
Is there a Gay Porn Sock of Lies?
tw: farm (I got nuthin’…)
“I think I busted a button on me trousers. ‘Ope they don’t fall down. You don’t want me trousers to fall down, now do ya?”
Dock shoes to Safeway?
What’s next, huh? Saddle oxfords to Sears?
This is a slippery slope, Mr. Goldstein. Stop now and get some counseling.
P.S.: The eastern grocry chain Wegmann’s has, in my opinion, the best looking checkout girls.
According to Mark Harris, a woman said to Dr Johnson: Sir, your penis is sticking out. He replied: Don’t flatter yourself, Madame. It’s hanging out.
Chinese raised with proper classical manners never use the normal term for turtle in front of a lady. And to insult someone by suggesting his father’s a cuckold, one says: Ni baba dai lu maozi. Literally: Your father wears a green cap [just like the “turtle” in question]. Demotic translation: Your daddy’s a dickhead.
Get Yer Ya Ya’s Out!!
If you want the opinion of an east-coast elitist (and why wouldn’t you?) you should never wear boot cut Levis unless you are, in fact, wearing boots. Then again if you really are wearing boots I suppose your choice of accessories to accompany them really wouldn’t matter much, now would it?
TW: Movement. That’s disgusting.
Speaking of meaning and interpretation, here is the text of a sign I saw in Tokyo in 1999 in the stairs leading to a 3rd floor biker bar that catered to both local youths and expats: “Keep hose in trunks, no puddles here!”
Which, as I was told, meant not to pee in the stairwell.
Ahhh, the joys of business travel on an expense account.
>Point of pants etiquette: is it okay to wear a boot cut jean with, say, New Balance cross trainer tennis shoes, or maybe a leather dock shoe without socks?
Sure, if you like Judy Garland movies. Not that there’s anything WRONG with that.