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Nothing says “Celebrate Independence Day” quite like a good old-fashioned protest / hunger strike

Happy 4th of July, you “sick, diseased, cancer, blight on the earth,” America!

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update:  More here.

100 Replies to “Nothing says “Celebrate Independence Day” quite like a good old-fashioned protest / hunger strike”

  1. B Moe says:

    The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was organized by CodePink, a women’s anti-war group that called on volunteers to abstain from eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday.

    Some protesters said their fast would continue beyond July 4th.

    It is hard for me to come out against a Code Pink fast, I mean, I have seen the pictures.

  2. Attila Girl says:

    Not just a cancer, but a diseased one. One that is also “sick.” And a “blight.”

    Well. I feel just dreadful, now.

  3. Jeff Goldstein says:

    I feel dreadful, too.  Isn’t it grand when people lie and distort in order to make their own truths—and then feel themselves rewarded for doing so through an uptick in traffic. This already happened with Greenwald.  Feministe is next, I suppose.

    Airbrush history and replace it by sheer vocality and will.  And then claim you are part of the “reality-based” community.  This is where sloppy understanding of language has taken us.

    I responded there, but note that Dr Andrew Haggerty of Broome community college shows up to help guide the story, playing the victim and employing half truths.

    It is a fact that asked him where he taught and what his specialty was, because I thought it was important to the “debate” we were having.  I asked him on his site, in fact. 

    But I noted—publicly—that I was interested in his credentials, not his name.  When his name was revealed, I found out it was posted on other sites, and I further noted that it is not my job to police the internet for subsequent mentions. 

    That Haggerty and his wife starting playing the aggrieved role—they had their info posted on other sites—just made me care even less about their supposed plight. 

  4. OHNOES says:

    Are you honestly surprised, Mr. Goldstein?

  5. rickinstl says:

    Do you get the feeling that this Thers person is going to milk his little brush with rightwing death squads for the rest of his life, ala Alger Hiss?

    It looks to me like this is going to wind up being his high water mark.

    Sucks to be him.

    Don’t waste energy on these goofballs JG.

    You can’t change family mythology.

    Although, in a weird twist, Jane Hampster tries to set the record straight.  Partially.

    tw: “hair”. now that’s a target rich environment.

  6. Major John says:

    24 hour “hunger strike” – Wow. The next thing they might try is go without bathing for 48 hours!  Anything for The Cause

  7. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Surprised?  A bit—just because of the two sites involved, mine is the only one where one can search for correct information.  Which would give me some protections, you’d think.

    But these people have thoroughly given up the pretense that actual events occured in a verifiable order, and have simply decided to rework the narrative as they see fit.

    And why wouldn’t they?  There are no repercussions.  And in fact, they are celebrated for doing so.

    Playing games with truth is all well and good.  But sooner or later, this will become the standard method of argumentation.  And at that point, we’re fucked.  Will to power will have successfully subverted our own principles and any lessons of the Enlightenment.

  8. Pablo says:

    And at that point, we’re fucked.

    We’re not there, Jeff. And we’re not even close. There’s a loud, screechy lunatic fringe, sure enough. But there’s also a huge silent majority that isn’t so stupid that they can’t detect bullshit. And now the lies are being exposed thru the new media.

    This is America, dammit. These freaks can spew in it, but they’re not getting behind the wheel unless we let them.

    Let’s continue to not let them. Sunlight kills them.

    Happy Independance Day. We’re gonna be alright as long as we remember who and what we are: Americans.

  9. bains says:

    In the leftist spirit of the holiday, your friend TalkLeft has this post up:

    A Hollow Feeling This Fourth of July

    What cracks me up is how blind some are to irony

    I blame President Bush and his administration of fear-mongers, willing to strike fear of terror in the heart of every American to fulfill his bid for unbridled exectuive power, for the demise of our civil liberties.

    […]

    But that did not warrant taking away the very constitutional rights that made us the beacon of liberty in the free world.

    How dare those evil righties whip up fear for purely partisan purposes.

    Records of our telephone calls and financial records will be logged into a secret data-mining program. The cop who stops you for a traffic ticket will punch a few keys on his dash-mounted computer and pull up everything from your credit record to your lawsuit against your neighbor. Our e-mails and google searches will be scrutinized for inappropriate content. “Sneak and peek” search warrants will be used to enter our homes without leaving so much as a piece of paper to let us know law enforcement was there. Maybe they won’t take anything and will just turn on your computer and made a copy of your hard drive. Maybe they will leave an unseen device that will record a copy of every keystroke you type.

    But I’m to fear that the Bush administration has been much much more injurious of our liberties than anything anyone else has in the past 6 years.

    Tofu dogs, anti-Bush parades, fireworks, and a frothy nutroot beer float

    Gotta love independence day.

  10. B Moe says:

    Are you honestly surprised, Mr. Goldstein?

    I was surprised, but mostly disappointed. Feministe used to be a good site.  Since Lauren left they have completely lost any touch with reality it seems.

  11. N. O'Brain says:

    Jeff, I told Darleen I loved her for putting up the quote from Sensei Robert A. Heinlein.

    I refuse to do the same for you.

  12. N. O'Brain says:

    The next thing they might try is go without bathing for 48 hours!  Anything for The Cause…

    Posted by Major John | permalink

    on 07/04 at 03:04 PM

    Um, how could you tell?

  13. Darleen says:

    bains

    I found in the comments there this

    The Socialist Equality Party looks forward confidently to the day when American working people will exercise this universal right, uniting with workers all over the world in a new revolution that will put an end to war, poverty and oppression, establishing a socialist society organized to meet the needs of the majority rather than the profit interests of a ruling elite.

    After reading such bilge, one should never question the basic anti-Americanism of the Left

  14. Swede says:

    “The Socialist Equality Party looks forward confidently to the day when American working people will exercise this universal right, uniting with workers all over the world in a new revolution that will put an end to war, poverty and oppression, establishing a socialist society organized to meet the needs of the majority rather than the profit interests of a ruling elite.”

    “All under our benign control”.

    There.  Fixed it for them.

  15. N. O'Brain says:

    “All under our benign control”.

    There.  Fixed it for them.

    Posted by Swede | permalink

    on 07/04 at 04:17 PM

    And if you don’t like it, we have some nice camps all set up in the Alaskan tundra.

    Screw the caribu.

  16. JJ says:

    Mr. Hitchens, thank you, Mr. Hitchens…

    Thus, for a Fourth of July message, I would suggest less masochism, more confidence on the American street, and less nervous reliance on paper majorities discovered by paper organizations.

  17. JohnAnnArbor says:

    Went to the Socialist Equality Party web site.  Check out the creative spelling:

    Alongside these campaigns, the SEP will be running candidates for State Senate in Ilinois, Main and Oregon, and a candidate for State Representative in Washington

  18. bains says:

    Darleen, with some exception, the left isn’t consciously anti-American.  It’s just that the America they envision never was, and likely never will be.

    And hence, even more irony.  They simultaneously complain that were loosing long held liberties and wail on about the minority de jour’s lack of even the basic rights.  Its as if there is a parallel universe where 100 years ago, gays could marry as long as a Dem/Leftie was ruling, but if it were the evil GOP stormtroopers then women were shackled to the kitchen and birthing table.

    Even further irony, per your quoted comment, while pining for a party to meet the needs of the majority (a majority that clearly did not favor them last election), they have organized and operational a vanguard to lead us peons, a leadership council to direct us misguided commoners; they are, in a word, PROGRESSIVE

    But they are not elites…

  19. southwestpaw says:

    I assume this thread has a point and I assume it relates to me, somehow, since J*ff uses a quote from me, but I can’t figger out what the heck the point is!

    No wonder you can’t hang on to a troll – it’s way too much work to figure out what you are all talking about!

  20. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Try using decision science analysis, Dr. Deb.  See what that yields ya’.

  21. jdm says:

    I assume this thread has a point and I assume it relates to me, somehow, since J*ff uses a quote from me, but I can’t figger out what the heck the point is!

    Not really the crispiest cracker in the drawer, are ya?

  22. Phil Smith says:

    You’re just a target of opportunity, deb.  Don’t let it go to your empty little head.

  23. Darleen says:

    I assume it relates to me, somehow, since J*ff uses a quote from me,

    Makes you are warm and damp in the unmentionables, doesn’t it, Deb?

  24. Lurking Vet says:

    I assume this thread has a point and I assume it relates to me, somehow

    It’s always about you, Deb, isn’t it?

    Narcissist.

  25. McGehee says:

    I assume this thread has a point and I assume it relates to me, somehow

    Whatever gave you the idea that anything having a point copuld possibly relate to you?

  26. bains says:

    pointy head?

  27. Amanda Marc*tte's Uterus says:

    But I noted—publicly—that I was interested in his credentials, not his name. 

    Feh.  Everybody knows that ‘asking for credentials’ is just Penis-Code-Speak for “I’d rape you right now, if only I could get my flaccid member up… and my wife weren’t around… and your unwashed Birkenstocks didn’t make you smell like moldy cool ranch Doritos in patchouli dip”.

    Heteronormative fascists.  Just you wait ‘til we get Meredith Baxter Burney to play Thersites in the Lifetime movie ‘Intellectually Violated:  the Dr. Andrew Haggerty of Broome Community College Story’.

  28. Major John says:

    Heteronormative fascists

    I like that.  If I had a garage band, I’d name them the Heteronormative Fascists. Our first album could be Stormtroopin’ for Rove or some such.

  29. southwestpaw says:

    Yikes. This place gets very boring very quickly for a troll. I guess that’s to be expected. 

    Ciao for now.

  30. capt joe says:

    Don’t let the door smack you in the ass, SWP.

  31. Major John says:

    Um, how could you tell?

    Posted by N. O’Brain

    I guess we’d have to take them at their word/press release?

  32. Mark says:

    Bains,

    How dare those evil righties whip up fear for purely partisan purposes.

    Oddly enough, I’ve either seen or read every speech Bush has given since before he was elected. He’s been remarkably consistent in his positions, most notably about promoting freedom and liberty across the globe and he’s been damn eloquent about it on multiple occasions.

    I say oddly enough because I’ve detected no “fear mongering” whatsoever—but then I’m not watching/reading from a perspective of fear as the “progressives” are, thus am not projecting and imagining that motive onto my government.

    Pretty damn good government it is too, regardless of who is temporarily occupying the White House or Congress—certainly better than any other. But, for “progressives,” apparently, until there’s a free chicken in every pot, free chickenpox vaccines for all, and free chicken dinners in retirement, we suck.

  33. jdm says:

    This place gets very boring very quickly for a troll.

    It might just because the troll is so boring. You’ve done that Suzy Creamcheese “I just don’t understand this all” twice now to less and even less comic effect.

    Besides, you keep promising to go away (7/2, 1:22 PM being the first time you promised). Suzy, sweety, how can we miss you if you won’t go away?

  34. bains says:

    Damnit mark, you’re not listening…

    Its Bush BusH, BUSH who’s to be feared – cuz hes a fear MONGER.  He’s the evil one, he’s who we (the elite) thinks you (the village idiot to stupid to vote in your best interests and raise your taxes to pay for programs us elite think wholy necessary (but entirely unworthy)) too plebian to fully understand.  You needs assistance to undertand the evil stupid/genius that is gH(ITLER)wbush (…oops that was his father),

    gW(ILLMAKETHEWORLDAPARKINGLOT)bush

    Man, just had one of those frothy nutroot beer floats.  MEEEE… UBER ALLES!

    oops, Sorry.

  35. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    But, for “progressives,” apparently, until there’s a free chicken in every pot, free chickenpox vaccines for all, and free chicken dinners in retirement, we suck.

    Mark, sweetheart, bubelah… you just pissed away the huge animal rights vote…

  36. Mark says:

    C’mon Bains,

    gW(ILLMAKETHEWORLDAPARKINGLOT)bush

    That’s just crazy talk, everyone knows it was Reagan that wanted to do the parking lot thing!

    Because he was channeling Joni Mitchell, dontcha know? (I guess this last could’ve been a “TW” thing, but I don’t get that yet—must be a bit of Village Idiotitis).

  37. Great Mencken's Ghost says:

    Amanda Marc’tte’s Uterus, how can you demean Meredith Baxter by defining her by the possessive patronym of her cast-aside patriarchal-oppressive husband David Birney, when she doesn’t even use it anymore?

  38. bains says:

    Actually jdm, in certain circumstances trolling can be quite entertaining…

    It does however require a bit of intelligence and creativity.

    Man I had fun on the pro-Bush message boards pre 2001.  Before I realized that some don’t give a damn about certain inalienable rights…

    Particularly the right to Live!

    As I have said before, I’d rather be alive tomorrow to correct our mistakes of today, rather than being dead tomorrow because we corrected our mistakes today.

  39. Mark says:

    GMG,

    Mark, sweetheart, bubelah… you just pissed away the huge animal rights vote…

    They vote?  gulp

  40. MarkD says:

    Hey, right about now, I’m all for this Socialist Workers’s equality stuff.  Since I’ve spent about 34 of the last 48 hours at work, I could use a hand.

    I assume this thread has a point and I assume it relates to me, somehow.

    Yes, I am an equal opportunity annoyer.

  41. Amanda Marc*tte's Uterus says:

    Amanda Marc’tte’s Uterus, how can you demean Meredith Baxter by defining her by the possessive patronym of her cast-aside patriarchal-oppressive husband David Birney, when she doesn’t even use it anymore?

    Yeah, sorry about that.  It’s just that there’s something about a woman with a double or hyphenated last name that’s so… so… truth-y to power-y, that it makes us progressyves get all gooey in our no-no places.

    Not that it matters, since we’re getting Valerie Bertinelli to play Dr. Andrew Haggerty of Broome Community College, instead of Ms. Baxter.  We’ve also signed Nancy McKeon to play the part of Jeff Goldstein’s evil man-junk, with Mayim Bialik and the ghost of Bert Convy as the International Zionist Cabal.

  42. McGehee says:

    …all gooey in our no-no places.

    I hear there’s an ointment for that.

  43. McGehee says:

    We’ve also signed Nancy McKeon to play the part of Jeff Goldstein’s evil man-junk…

    When will that poor creature stop being typecast!?

  44. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Well, it happens that my junk goes by “Jo” and likes to fix carburators and pick on Mindy Cohn.

    So I think some casting director’s either really lucky, or else really did his/her homework.

  45. southwestpaw says:

    From what I can tell, this is a very toxic pond.  J*ff is a failed fiction writer who somehow has attracted a lot of losers to lurk in this cesspool.  For some reason that escapes me, Pajamas Media has chosen this pathetic excuse for a blog as one of its one.  J*ff is wordy, petty and not the sharpest tack on the board but somehow, thinks he’s witty, mature and bright. And apparently there are a lot of losers who have nothing better to do than hang out here.

    On second thought, Jeff, I’ll pass on the offer to be part of your menagerie – the stench is overpowering and as far as I can tell, there’s no compensating virtue to make it worth it to hang out in your sewer.

    Good luck with this fascinating endeavor.

    Deb

  46. OHNOES says:

    Question: What started the asterisking out Marcotte’s (or Mr. Goldstein’s) names on blog posts?

  47. Ric Locke says:

    OHNOES,

    *m*nd* did.

    See, Google and TLB both work by links and references—the more links to a particular place, and the more references found to a particular blog, the more important it’s assumed to be. But they don’t even try to do it by hand, they have computer programs that screen through the pages to compute the counts.

    *m*nd* doesn’t want to give Jeff any linky love, that is, doesn’t want mentions in her blog to increase either Jeff’s hit count or his Ecosphere ranking. Therefore she obscures the name, so the robots won’t pick it up as a mention of Jeff’s blog. We simply return the favor. Petty, but kind of fun in a nihilistic sort of way.

    Regards,

    Ric

  48. southwestpaw says:

    Petty, but kind of fun in a nihilistic sort of way.

    Regards,

    Ric

    No idea what pathetic, petty game you are referring to but I can easily believe that Je** engaged in petty, juvenile behavior.

    You all need to get a life!  Get one quick!  This guy’s like Jim Jones – stop sipping the kool-aid before it’s too late!  Trust me – I’m a psychologist!  This place is a intellectual CESSPOOL!!!!! Get out while you still have some neurons!

  49. OHNOES says:

    Debbie Frisch: She hates people because they disagree with her!

    Playing games with truth is all well and good.  But sooner or later, this will become the standard method of argumentation.  And at that point, we’re fucked.

    Mr. Goldstein, with all due respect, I don’t see it as going that far (Most of the time.). When it comes to Feministe and their ilk, mouth-breathing morons on the internet are a Kos’s distance from anything mainstream, as much as the press likes to masturbate about them.

    You know, wait, come to think of it, considering how RIDICULOUSLY difficult it is to get my parents to believe that the press is operating from a partisan slant… damn it. You may be right. But I think part of the issue is that many people don’t realize that the large institutions (The UN, the news media) are NOT neutral and worthy of default respect. Those preconceptions were big obstacles in my liberal nitwit youth.

  50. Jeff Goldstein says:

    Yes. A failed fiction writer. Whatever that is.  Which, all things considered, beats being an academic who couldn’t manage tenure, and who can’t build an audience without pimping her shit on sites that consider her nothing more than a passing amusement. 

    But that’s why God invented Counterpunch, I guess.

    Bon voyage, Debbie.  We’ll miss your…uh… Bon Voyage, Debbie!

  51. Master Tang says:

    On second thought, Jeff, I’ll pass on the offer to be part of your menagerie…

    Southwestpaw, did you think you were interviewing for a position or something?  Troll-in-residence, maybe, as the job description?

  52. southwestpaw says:

    this is just a test to see if the pathetic pissant who runs this place has banned me or just shooed me.

    if this had been a REAL post, you would have been MUCH more amused.

  53. Master Tang says:

    Wait, SWP, which of your personalities is active now?  You need to assign a number, or something.

  54. OHNOES says:

    We really need to stop letting 12 year olds on the internet.

  55. Jeff Goldstein says:

    You keep threatening to leave, Dr Debbie, and yet you can’t seem to break away.  Although don’t think I haven’t noticed that you’re upping the ad hominem stakes.

    The best part about having left the academy to become self-employed is that I don’t have to worry about people like you trying to hurt me professionally.

    And of course, I can’t hurt you professionally.  Anyone denied tenure is moribund in academia anyway.  So I’m content to sit back and watch you die a slow and ignominious academic death.

    Now. Did I say Bon Voyage yet?

  56. Bon Voyage

    can someone translate this for me?  downer

  57. OHNOES says:

    GOLDSTEIN WINS

    FLAWLESS VICTORY

    Ahem, at the risk of sounding like a fanboy, that last post by our host made me cackle with glee.

  58. Darleen says:

    Debbie

    You keep touting the “I’m a psychologist!” thing like we should all be impressed.

    Mortician? Yep. Chiropracter? You betcha.

    Psychologist? :::yawn:::

    And while you are attempting to offer clinical diagnosis over the ‘net to people you don’t even know, don’t think that some of us don’t realize that is a serious breach of professional ethics.

    How in order IS your license, sweetcheeks?

  59. southwestpaw says:

    Dear Jeff,

    I know we’re less than 48 hours into our quote relationship unquote and I trust you understand that I am ANYTHING BUT your stereotypical female but….I kinda sort of feel like we need to have one of those “relationship” talks.

    Yesterday you were wooing me with talks of zoos and fedoras and accordians and today it’s here’s your hat what’s your hurry.

    I am hoping we can start over again on the right foot (feet?). I really think I could be a GREAT moonbat troll for you wise proteins if you’d just gimme a chance, doggarnit!

    Sincerely,

    Cruella de Trolle

  60. cynn says:

    Happy Fourth, everyone!  Can I just say this because it’s Independance Day, and I feel kind of independant?  I just spent the last four days cleaning my house and hauling furniture because of painting/floor refinishing.  The fumes are still overwhelming, but it’s my home, and I’m glad to be here.

    I get tired of this partisan ranting.  I get tired of the impenetrable walls that get thrown up by both left and right, and I wonder if you all even know what you stand for anymore.  I was a kid during the Nixon debacle, and I remember my parents and their friends muttering to each other at cocktail parties about how the whole thing was an “anomaly” and the “good people” would eventually prevail.

    I remember the Carter administration as benevolennt but bumbling, and the Reagan administration as sneering but effective.  I really can’t remember Bush I, except from Saturday Night Live.  Ford I can’t recall either.  Clinton’s administration was a grinning, conniving affair.  So here I am today.  I am bound to hold this current administration to account, because I have a child who will inherit the outcome (yes, it’s that simple.)

    But where are those “good people” that my parents had faith in?  I don’t see them, on any side.  I feel compromised and insulted.  Call me whatever you want, but remember we are a sovereign nation and not an empire.  Happy Fourth, and light one for me!  (I mean a sparkler!)

  61. Master Tang says:

    This is fascinating – in a Kraft-Ebbing sort of way.

  62. Ric Locke says:

    Dr. Frisch,

    Speaking strictly for myself, I hope Jeff doesn’t ban you.

    From your acceptance of an “invitation” so laden with irony that I’m still wiping rust off my monitor, through a set of “poems” so inane and juvenile I can hear the bubblegum popping, to your blank incomprehension of a rather simple point of Internet rivalry, the overall impression you give is of somebody with the intellect of an eleven-year-old joke-blonde. If you represent the true caliber of the opposition, we can go to battle with Nerf™ bats and water pistols, and expect to wipe the floor with your ass.

    Sadly, no. We think of ourselves as adults, here. Brooksfoe may be wrong, but is coherent and rational. Actus is young and a bit self-centered, and not nearly as good at “laconic” as he (?) clearly thinks he is. Both are grownups, and well worthy of answering and debating with. Even Dr. Vic, who has screws loose in some really serious parts of the mechanism, manages an adult version of insanity. You? Hah. I’ve heard better potty-jokes from preteen cheerleaders in small Iowa towns, and you have never, even once, actually made a point.

    If it’s real, you are dense as a brick and seriously cracked to boot. If it’s feigned, you have the intellect of a chimpanzee on acid. You serve as a demonstration of something we had heretofore considered impossible: a moonbat so thoroughly cracked that not even academics can tolerate you. “Gadfly” indeed. Welcome. You aren’t fun, but you are an inspiration. It just isn’t the inspiration you think it is.

  63. Just Passing Through says:

    …I trust you understand I am ANYTHING BUT your stereotypical female…

    I rather doubt anybody has missed something that obvious. Trust us, we understand what you are.

    Since you seem to desperately want to say goodbye forever but just can’t manage it, perhaps Jeff should help you out by banning you as you’ve coyly suggested he do. It would give you something to crow about in the fever swamps and spare us having to listen to your dithering.

  64. Master Tang says:

    If it’s real, you are dense as a brick and seriously cracked to boot. If it’s feigned, you have the intellect of a chimpanzee on acid. You serve as a demonstration of something we had heretofore considered impossible: a moonbat so thoroughly cracked that not even academics can tolerate you. “Gadfly” indeed. Welcome. You aren’t fun, but you are an inspiration. It just isn’t the inspiration you think it is.

    And you said you had strayed from the path of Enlightenment, Ric?  Hardly – that post shows Buddha nature.

    LOL

  65. Mark says:

    Darleen, I think the yawn can be summed up thusly:

    psychologists feel :: psychiatrists prescribe :: Run, just as fast as you can!

  66. McGehee says:

    if this had been a REAL post, you would have been MUCH more amused.

    Oh, we’re all plenty amused. Not in a nice way, I’ll grant you. But in a semi-nostalgic, “It’s been years since I watched this kind of train wreck” way.

  67. marcus says:

    Y’all go easy on Dr Deb.

    She’s obviously in a manic episode and her tardive dyskenesia makes her hands type things she doesn’t mean, the poor dear.

  68. bains says:

    Remember nutrooters, you have to focus on what American didn’t do rather than what it has accomplished…

    It would be horrible if anyone recognized, when all is said and done what a good force the United States of America really is.

    Message discipline you know.

    ps fuck you TalkLeft.

  69. Verc says:

    Kind of funny that there really isn’t another profession that A) takes so long to achieve and B) is so “eh”-inspiring than a psychologist.

  70. Ric Locke says:

    Tang,

    Putting up V-mesh fence wire is an ideal opportunity to contemplate the Way. Meeting the ideals of post-spacing and precisely the right tensioning of the mesh leaves the intellect free, and the Tao of the Hammer is clean and undisturbed. The result, nicely orthagonal, taut, and gleaming in the sunlight, is satisfyingly centered.

    Aerobic exercise, too. There’s another ten rods of it to put up. Perhaps I should invite Dr. Deb to participate?

    And now to bed. Cynn, I’d like you to think for a bit about what the word <i>imperial<i> means. Tang can provide guidance.

    Regards,

    Ric

  71. Sean M. says:

    Dr. Deb never did answer my question from the wee small hours of this morning–namely that if she sees America as a “sick, diseased, cancer,” then what the fuck is she still doing here?

  72. oh, sean, she probably meant it as much as she meant all the other drivel she’s posted. I can spot the “cute and stupid, LOOK AT ME!!!!!” routine a mile away. it works alot better in person, or not.

  73. Master Tang says:

    Ric – the idea of Doc Debbie wielding a fence-hole digger (that’s what my wife calls ‘em, she’s a Southern girl – cf. with the term “kaiser blade” for what other parts of the country deem a “job hook” or “sling blade”) is fascinating.  Maybe get her to lug some blocks of salt out too, for the herd’s delectation and her edification.

    Happy Fourth of July, to you and all!

  74. southwestpaw says:

    9:12 p.m.

    July 4, 2006

    Eugene, Oregon

    Cascadia

    USA

    Dear fellow and fella Americans,

    I am still getting many hostile vibes from y’all, despite my repeated and increasingly sycophantic attempts to communicate to you that I am not your enemy, though I loathe, despise and disdain you with every single cell of my being.

    Though I loathe you at least as much as y’all loathe me, I believe it is our duty and I dare say, our destiny to find a sliver of common ground upon which to continue our relationship.

    Were it not the anniversary of the birth of the glorious failed experiment known as the United States of America, I most likely would not have the chutzpah to say what I’m about to say.  But as the sound of fireworks echoes in my ear – what a sick and twisted tradition, this is, to blow things up to celebrate the successful occupation of north america by european outcasts – I feel inspired to speak to you as fellow citizens of the gorgeous hunk of land currently known as the US of phuquing A. 

    One of y’all – Sean? sorry I am having trouble separating my Tang from my Darleen, my Sean from my Witheld, etc.!  There sure are a lot of y’all!

    asked why I live in the US if I hate the US.

    I love the land.  I love the prosperity.  I love my first amendment, some might say, too much.

    But I hate the hypocrisy.  I hate the mockery made of Marines by occupying Fallujah, of NASA by the launching of DISCOVERY – the world’s most expensive, highest-tech GARBAGE TRUCK!!!!  What a joke.

    Sam’s a joke.  A memory as painful and faded as a two month old vase full of a dozen roses.  Maybe worse.

    I don’t care if you’re on the left or the right, anarchist, libertarian, kooky kristian or moonbat. 

    If you are disgusted and appalled by your GOVERNMENT, then you are on the SAME PAGE AS ME!

    All I am saying is that on this day, I choose to believe that I landed in this cesspool because…. because… well, because I belong here.  I am one of YOU, no matter how much this disgusts, shocks, infuriates me nor how untrue it rings. 

    If there is one thing that is CRYSTAL CLEAR to me, it’s that I ain’t one of y’all.

    But maybe…just maybe, I am one of y’all.

    The thought scares and disgusts me as much as I reckon is s&d’s y’all.

    I gotta go now.  But it sure has been nice meeting y’all. If there is any hope for the political progeny of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Thoreau etc., ‘tis us, mates. 

    Tis us.

    Ciao.

    Deb

  75. random m says:

    I think most Lefties really believe in truth and in being “nice” (a somewhat abused word).  What has been frightening to me has been the types of “all conservatives are evil/liars” attitudes that places like Kos seem to promote.  I had always assumed that the lefties were well-intentioned but ill-informed and that with more explanation many would see the light.  Others will never have the guts to recognize the tradeoffs reality makes necessary, but overall I assumed the left/right divide was an educational issue (an issue that maturity helped).  But the absolute rabid way some lefties view the conservatives is worrisome. 

    If they really think we are all Rove robots engaged in the VRWC, then it is probably easier to give up on the ideal of truth and determine that niceness isn’t enough to stand against the Great Evil.  And so the goofy but loveable fellow Americans become the Soviet wannabes who lack just a little push to make them deliberately lie and attack (rather than unconsciously distort).  The Soviets believed as do the Jihadists that it is okay to lie in pursuit of the Greater Good.

    My point is that I would like to think the US is made up of good people-that have common values still.  But as annoying as the MSM have been for years it wasn’t until they ran and hid from the one thing I thought they would always fight for-freedom of the press when that cartoon controversy came up-that I felt the chill of true fear for the future of our nation.  And the nuts on dailyK*s support the theory that something has gone very wrong.  I know they are the fringe, but have you notice how obsessed they are with camps, and suspension of civil liberties?  We know we have no such ambitions—but if those people really hate us, to the point they don’t really see us as people…well it seems impossible, but they were projecting the “marching orders” meme on us, when they were the guilty parties.  I hesitate to express this worry that the Left is truly rushing headlong into commie power fantasies, but I was very shaken up by the complete and utter failure of the MSM to stand up for freedom of the press during the cartoon farce. 

    They look down their noses at us now and make speeches to themselves about their courage, but when push came to shove they FOLDED.  They bowed down to the fascists out of fear.  And who on the left called them on it? 

    Sorry its late, I’m rambling.  Good night.

  76. cynn says:

    Hey, thanks, Ric!  I feel like I’m on Romper Room!  I’m thinking about the word “imperial”—WOW!  Can the uberguy Tang untangle it all?

  77. Master Tang says:

    If there is any hope for the political progeny of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Thoreau etc., ‘tis us, mates.

    I dunno, Deb – looks like you, or one of your personalities, may have already dropped the ball in that regard.

    Also, you insult the artistry and originality of Sean, Darleen, and Witheld when you pretend you cannot distinguish their writings from those of lowly Tang.

  78. Sean M. says:

    Thanks for finally posting an answer to my question, Dr. Deb, loony and rambling though it was.

  79. Darleen says:

    Deb

    It’s not true that I loathe you.

    That would assume I care about you.

  80. so who’s starting the pool on how many goodbyes dr. deb will make?  I want, uh, hold on….. carry the one…. 27.

    TW: never. now don’t be so pessimistic!

  81. Master Tang says:

    Tang is now an uberguy, Cynn?  Please to tell Mrs. Tang!

    In any event, you commence your quest too abruptly.  Meditate first on this:

    A monk asked Zhaozhou, “What is the meaning of Bodhidharma’s coming from the west?” Zhaozhou said, “The cypress tree in the courtyard”.

    Then we shall proceed on to the discussion of your original face before your parents were born, as recommended by Hui Neng (without, of course, mention of good or evil) and examine flags flapping in the wind.  This, I think, at a minimum before we treat with this “imperialism” of which you speak.

  82. Sean M. says:

    Maggie, I fear you’re off by a factor of about ten.

  83. Maggie, I fear you’re off by a factor of about ten.

    so, put your money where your mouth is boy!

  84. Were it not the anniversary of the birth of the glorious failed experiment known as the United States of America, I most likely would not have the chutzpah to say what I’m about to say.

    – Apparently the failed experiment concerned not drowning you at birth you foul mouthed, Marxist anti-American, 24 carat, brain dead bitch.

    – Fireworks in your ear. Yeh I’d vote for that, and up your ass while they were at it. Crawl back under your rock, and give sanity a chance. You’re not a “gadfly”. You’re a raving moron.

  85. southwestpaw says:

    Big Bang Hunter: Apparently the failed experiment concerned not drowning you at birth you foul mouthed, Marxist anti-American, 24 carat, brain dead bitch.

    Dear Jeff,

    I am not sure you are serious about retaining a pet moonbat for your zoo.  But if you are, you need to do something to discourage the content-free pissing like this example from the hunter of the big bang (unsuccessful so far, I’d say).

    You really need to “take it up a notch” as Emiril says if you want to retain a high-quality moonbat.

    Just my two cents!

    Have a great day!

    Deb

  86. Master Tang says:

    Maggie, Sean – it’s like you’re freakin’ psychic.

    By the way, anyone have fifty yet?

  87. – Oh you’re still here Deb dearest…. Was it the “Cow Bell fashion model” thing…. Because I really was funning you. I’m with the rest of sane humans that post here. Like Darleen, I care so little about your pathetic, attention getting screeds, I wouldn’t wipe my ass with your hair.

    – Subtle enough?

  88. Sean M. says:

    so, put your money where your mouth is boy!

    I work for a newspaper, Maggie.  I don’t have any money.  wink

  89. Verc says:

    Just my two cents!

    Have a great day!

    Deb

    Kee-rist, is that two or three in one shot? I’m settling for 175, in that case.

    Assume two goodbyes per post, seven to eight posts per day, I make ten days as being the sell-by date for princess potty-mouth here.

  90. I work for a newspaper, Maggie.  I don’t have any money.

    oh, cry me a river. i have a 2 day a week temp job that seems to be indefinite at this point, and a music degree. oh, and a very supportive husband.  we aren’t talking high stakes here. a quarter sound good?  so it’s:

    MK – 27

    MT – 50

    SM – ??

  91. cynn says:

    Mister Master Tang has deigned to respond to the little cricket that I am, chirping hoplessly in the corner of your grand palace.  I still don’t get you tighty whitey righties.

  92. cynn says:

    I meant to say that.  I can’t hop.

  93. Master Tang says:

    Tang bears you no ill will, Cynn.  His whiteys are not tighty either.

    Nor has he a grand palace – such is not in accord with buddha-dhata.  Or property values, at least in Tang’s income bracket.

    TW “better” – the device prompts one on the Eightfold path!

  94. Sean M. says:

    Well, Maggie, since I said you were off by a factor of ten, and you picked 27, I guess that would make my pick for the pool 270.  And sure, I’m good for two bits.

  95. KJ says:

    “I meant to say that.  I can’t hop.”

    Most clever response to a typo i’ve seen in a very long time.

  96. CraigC says:

    This is America, dammit. These freaks can spew in it, but they’re not getting behind the wheel unless we let them.

    Hey, if you’re gonna spew, spew into this!

  97. I guess that would make my pick for the pool 270.  And sure, I’m good for two bits.

    great, great, and, uh, could you keep track of all this, cause, um, i’m gonna be busy the next couple days…..  wink

    tw: best, you’re the best, sean!

  98. Sean M. says:

    Thanks, Maggie.  And don’t forget about Verc, who’s in for 175.

  99. Master Tang says:

    Tang is so going to lose a quarter on this.

  100. Sean M. says:

    That’s okay, Master Tang.  After all, a quarter is a material thing.  You’ll probably be happier without it.

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