“He thinks like them, so they support him, don’t believe anything else”—Townhouse member Steve Gilliard, on why Maryland Senate hopeful, Republican Michael Steele, is an Uncle Tom racist Oreo who takes money from Whitey (and not the good kind of Whitey, either) in order to keep the black man down.
Left unanswered in the fury of Gilliard’s question begging: why would “they” lend their support to someone who doesn’t think like “them”? I mean, let’s face it: not everyone chooses their candidates based on who is willing to pay the biggest consulting fee, Steve.
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(via Confederate Yankee, who has more)
Burn!
TW: groups. But which kind; identity groups or email groups?
Why are sthey so mad at Brown?
IIRC (and I believe I do), the Willie Horton ad was first used against Dukakis by another Democrat.
Steele does take money from racists. Money talks in politics, BS walks. He probably takes money from a lot of bad eggs.
Green counts more than black/white.
Anyway Steele’s OK. If he wins, he’ll probably distance himself from the right-wing crazies now in control of the GOP.
Don’t know much about MD politics; used to go to Hagerstown a lot though….
Carl,
From whom? Or is this yet another ad hominem cheap shot?
I’m sure a man of your integrity wouldn’t just spew forth invective, so let’s see the evidence.
Steele does take money from racists.
I’m sure you have at least one example.
You’re asking Goss?
Twelve words out of Gilliard’s 122, and you think you made a point? I know this will be lost on you, but Gilliard’s money sentence is this one: “He’s taking money from racists.” That’s the THEY he’s talking about. Black people know that he’s in bed with racists.
Hell, I’d love to take money from racists. (And then not give them anything in return except “thanks for the money, racist dudes!”)
I mean, if I take their money, that’s less money they have to spend on racist stuff. We all win.
Money quote from Gillard:
RACIST BY ASSERTION!
Robert Bryd’s response:
…the end.
They just KNOW it. Don’t ask them to prove it.
Who were the people throwing the Oreos at Steele? Were they maybe a tad bit racist?
Also, he’s free from criticism on race issues. But not because of identity politics. Thats wrong and leads to civil war, or something.
In a drawer full of knives, Gilliard is a bent spoon. It’s the rare exception when he says something sensible, so there’s no surprise here.
Washington Post:
The fundraiser thrown for Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele on Thursday night, while ordinary in most ways, struck some African American leaders as notable because of the host.
Unlike the dozens of high-dollar events across the country in his U.S. Senate bid, this event was thrown by the producer of the famous “Willie Horton” ad, the 1988 commercial that came to symbolize the cynical use of skin color as a political wedge.
It seemed a most unusual choice for Steele, the first African American elected to statewide office in Maryland and a Republican whose strategy for winning a Senate seat in a state dominated by Democrats has involved the aggressive courtship of black voters.
”Why would he go for money to those who have done us harm?” asked Elbridge James, a former leader of the NAACP’s Montgomery County branch.
So, you can argue whether the folks who made that ad are racist, or not, but the perception seems to be that they’re racist. In politics, perception is reality.
There, fixed that for you, Sum Ting Wong.
I really don’t think Whitey is a racist, Carl or Lo Ping. He just mumbles alot, and the words get all twisted and such. I mean Mr Bulger is the Democratic mayor of a very Democratic state. So I think you’re just…what?
Oh. Never mind.
He takes money from racist? You mean the Rainbow Coalition is bankrolling him too?
Unlike the dozens of high-dollar events across the country in his U.S. Senate bid, this event was thrown by the producer of the famous “Willie Horton†ad, the 1988 commercial that came to symbolize the cynical use of skin color as a political wedge.
I remember first hearing either a radio version of that ad or a report on the radio about the ad that didn’t mention the race angle. I had this great mental picture of Horton as a grizzled, scowling white career criminal. I figured Dukakis had messed up, big time.
So, the question here is: if a bad criminal policy involves releasing a murderer to kill again, and that murderer happens to be black, should we be banned from discussing the case? If so, why?
Sigivald, I like your attitude. But it might not be practical for politics…
“Who were the people throwing the Oreos at Steele?”
That never happened.
“In liberal politics, perception is reality.”
Yes, that explains why people think George W. Bush is a Texas rancher {Snicker}.
Steele is a racist. There is no Kos list. Glenn Greenwald is GOD!!! THE TRUTH IS WHAT I SAY It IS!!!! I assume that pretty much sums it up for Carl Lo Ping and the rest. Until they start telling us how much stroke Kos gives them per comment I see no reason to take them seriously. Oh and I forgot one. THE NEW REPUBLIC IS RUN BY DARTH ROVE!!!!!! You know fellas, when you finally find out just how much crank Kos in the rest are making for themselves and not sharing with you you are going to feel very, very used. And not in that sort of sexy, kind of fun way either.
“if a bad criminal policy involves releasing a murderer to kill again, and that murderer happens to be black, should we be banned from discussing the case? If so, why?”
Obviously not, so I can’t answer your ‘why’ question. Apparently, lots of people thought the ad played up the race angle.
Corvan, is that weak rant the best you can do? Kos told me to call you a fuckwit.
ahem. Anyhoo, did Steve do a tolerant Sambo photoshop this time?
Lo Ping Wong, not that there’s any point in trying to reason with you, but explain why appearance is reality in politics, and not elsewhere.
Here’s the quote:
“We learned from Clarence Thomas about how skin color doesn’t equal loyalty. Michael Steele is taking money from Floyd Brown? Support from Bill Bennett? He doesn’t care about black votes, and white voters are going to walk away from him. Even a white candidate can use black surrogates to hammer this home. He thinks like them, so they support him, don’t believe anything else.”
Let’s see, y’all learned from Clarence Thomas that not everybody stakes out their political views based on their skin color? Wow.
“I have a dream, that one day (blah, blah, blah), but on the content of their character.”
Lo Ping Wong, what political color are ethnic Chinese in the United States?
I’ve seen a lot of dumb things written in a lot of newspapers, and on blogs, and on TV, but I have to say, for sheer stupid cynicism and intellectual bankruptcy I’ve never seen anything quite as galling as your comment, you filthy troll.
“That never happened” from Lo Ping.
From the article:”“The answer seems to be,†the Sun’s Green says, “that it is not possible to get a definitive answer one way or another.â€Â
So I guess in liberalworld that is the same as saying “that never happened”. If you have no idea what words mean or how logic works.
““We learned from Clarence Thomas about how skin color doesn’t equal loyalty.”
That’s Gilliard saying black people learned a lesson from Clarence Thomas. Are all your questions going to be this pig-stupid?
“Lo Ping Wong, what political color are ethnic Chinese in the United States?”
I see the anwer is “yes.”
I’m afraid you don’t understand the extent of your dumbfuckery, my friend. Some people, somehow, wander off of the reservation, and they’re suddenly disloyal? Cram it up your ass, you rascist scumbag.
“The answer seems to be,†the Sun’s Green says, “that it is not possible to get a definitive answer one way or another.—
But the target of the “assault” himself says no oroes were thrown his way. So, you got a smart answer to that, sparky?
“I’m afraid you don’t understand the extent of your dumbfuckery, my friend.”
Sorry, but you’re not my friend. My friends don’t have potty mouths, and they know how to spell. Now please, continue to tell me how Steve Gilliard’s words make me a racist.
Senator Byrd: “Appearance IS reality, bitches! Now gimme some more of that delicious negro vote!”
Sure, just as soon as you explain to me why it’s not asinine to speak of disloyalty this way, you totalitarian twat. And while we’re talking about orthography, tell me where I can get some “oroes” thrown my way.
I think ownership of a ranch makes one a rancher. But that’s not important, you perceiving libbie, you. George W. Bush is the President of the United States of America. That is what’s important.
This troll is a bore.
Senator Byrd: “Heh. Heh. Heh.”
It’s in the embrace.
Actually Lo Ping, it’s not a rant. Greenwald himself said the list exists, said that it is made up of journalists and political operatives and that it is used for plotting tactics. Another commenter who occasionally comes to these environs, her name is Mona, confirmed the lists existence existence and its purpose over at the Politburo Diktat. As I’ve said before I can think of no reason that journalists should be plotting tactics with political operatives. And were I a journalist plotting tactics wiht political operatives I would be more than a little concerned that Mona and Greenwald are so happy to talk about it.
I would also be more than a little ashamed of the fact that the same people who were so angry about the Gannon deal now seem to be hiding their own captive reporters from public view. Of course you’re not concerned because you’re not very smart. But I bet the journalists in question, who would have a very hard time explaining their presence on the list given all of the above, are very concerned. It’s going to be very fun to watch what happens when one of you finally (intentionally or unintentionally) tosses one of them under the bus.
Lo, you’re such a racist ass and you don’t even realize it. Keep ‘em down on the political plantation; that’s where they belong. An independent thought? What’s that? You’re free to believe anything we tell you to.
You socialists have got most black people so baffled with your perpetual grievance bullshit that they forget how much freedom they actually possess. After all, if they were to discover tomorrow that the chains binding them to your stupid party are all in their imaginations, you’d be shit out of luck, wouldn’t you?
That’s the only reason cynical pukes and ambulance chasers like Kennedy, Gore, Dean, Pelosi, Kerry and Clinton, etc. keep repeating the mantra: you’re powerless without us, you’re powerless without us….. There’s nothing they’d like more than to stay in power based on the ignorance of their constituency. They’re all millionaires already–they got theirs; they couldn’t actually care less about the long-term welfare of black citizens; otherwise, they’d work to mnake them self-sufficent.
The only reason any of them give you cynical racists any allegiance at all is because some of them are suffering under the misapprehension that they can’t take a shit without your advice. They no longer have any faith in themselves. If I recall correctly, you’re also the party that came up with the infamous and failed inner-city housing project. If there’s anything that says, ‘We give up on you, you’re a bunch of losers’ more clearly, I have yet to see it. It’s patronizing, stupid and hateful and broke up the black family in the inner city.
The Republicans are the party of Lincoln, racial equality, self-sufficiency, and faith in the power of the average citizen. One day, black people are going to discover that they are standing at a threshold rich with possibilities. And the Republicans are holding the door open for them. On that day, you go down.
So go screw yourself you crappy, racist, little marxist ass.
“And while we’re talking about orthography,”
Ooh, you said “twat” and “orthography” in the same sentence. I’m getting so turned on.
“Actually Lo Ping, it’s not a rant.”
You’re right, it’s much less than that.
Actually, I said them in consecutive sentences; but whatever floats your boat, dude.
And my dog thinks I’m God, too. Doesn’t make it true.
I remember the ad. It didn’t play anything up except the fact that Dukakis supported the program that put Horton back on the street. Even then it probably wouldn’t have worked if Dukakis hadn’t been such a cold fish.
“Totaltitarian twat”; I like the sound of that.
TEAM USMC, FUCK YEAH!
Corps clears Cpl. Belile, who now plans to produce and sell a studio version of “Hadji Girl”.
tw: Respect where it is due.
“Unlike the dozens of high-dollar events across the country in his U.S. Senate bid, this event was thrown by the producer of the famous “Willie Horton†ad, the 1988 commercial that came to symbolize the cynical use of skin color as a political wedge.”
Well, actually, the fact that Horton was a rapist and a murderer was the wedge.
The fact that he was black is irrelivent.
Carl W. Goss:
That told me all I needed to know. I erased the rest.
Let’s break it down. Steele’s a racist because people that I agree with politically (NAACP) perceive that he is agreeing with what they perceive as racist. Now I add a stupid little folk saying and use it as an unmutable law of reality (In politics, perception is reality), and viola, instant watertight liberal argument!
TW: Example. As in, this is an example of why the left keeps losing elections.
Thats why they showed his picture, rather than his rap sheet. Cuz thats whats relevant.
gahrie
That would be Al Gore. He was hammering Dukakis during the primaries for his veto of a bill that would have made inmates convicted of murder ineligible for furlough.
Whereas the pickup truck with the dangling chains was valid, because . . . well, because everything’s sepia in that cracker world.
OHNOES, this is totally off subject. Did you know that Bob KKK Byrd made a fiddle/singing album in the late 70s? I heard a soundbite from it this morning on NPR. Surprisingly, it didn’t sound too bad. It has a ho-down/barnyard feel to it.
I’m just kidding, y’all. It’s really because, y’know, atrocities never occur in Massachusetts.
“unmutable”
{Snicker}
Keep bringing up Byrd, because it’s the only ammunition you have. Byrd disavowed his racist past. What’s Trent Lott up to these days?
Would someone email little Sing Sing a goddamn candybar so the wee laddy can go sit in a corner and shut up.
Short Kong Ping Pang:
Gilliard = authentic negro
Steele = house negro
And the crowd is bored.
Well, no, the fact that he was a rapist and a murderer is what’s relevant, you racist idiot.
Disavowing his racist past.
Of course it didn’t help.
Thats why they showed his picture, rather than his rap sheet.
Oh, that’s just brilliant. The rap sheet on tee-vee would be as approximately as legible as Jeff’s “Townhouse” screen-shot.
Mug shots exist for a reason.
Cordially…
P.S. Can we suppose that if Trent Lott renounces his racist past–which certainly was never as egregious of Bobby Byrd’s–then he, too, can be called The Conscience Of The Senate?
Yeah, well that, and the whole Civil War and party of the KKK and Roosevelt and the fact that the majority of Congress that voted against the Civil Rights stuff were Democrats, the ‘little Sambo’ democrats such as Steele and the Rainbow coalition, yadda yadda yadda.
But without having an active member of Congress as a member of KKK and talking ‘bout ‘em “White Niggers, I’m gonna use that term, White Niggers…”, geez, there would be absolutely NOTHING racist to talk about in the Democratic party, at all.
Keep bringing up Byrd, because it’s the only ammunition you have.
Oh, no–we haven’t gotten to J. Wm. Fulbright yet, nor Lester Maddox, George Wallace, Theodore Bilbo, Woodrow Wilson, or Jefferson Davis.
Leaving unnamed some millions of Democratic racists (*McKinney*– *koff*–*McKinney*)
Could be a long comment thread.
Cordially…
Cuz goodness only freaking knows, it was Rethuglican Klansmen who used to lynch them darkies.
Really? I guess that’s why he used the phrase “white nigger” five years ago in a national TV interview? Twice?
I guess your definition of racist is different from mine. Bygones.
I got an idea! Hows bout you liberals quit advocating letting child molesters, rapists and murders out of jail on light sentences or crazy furlough programs and we’ll stop putting the monsters you advocated putting on the streets on TV after they oh so predictably offend again.
Liberals:
I know. Thats why show his picture. Cuz its so relevant.
Wait what?
Lo Ping,
Okay, let’s take this step by step:
That’s from Steve Gilliard. The clear meaning is that loyalty to your race is more important than loyalty to other causes. Like your beliefs. Or your country.
To care more about what color a person is than what they have done, is to place a greater value on race than on character.
This, by the way, is the lesson of Willie Horton. Conservatives look at him, and see a murderer. Lefties look at him, and see only his skin color.
To care more about a person’s race than their character is racist.
QED.
No, lo, Byrd is the only ammunition you have. You’re being rather selective today. That, or you are just not well up on the subject. I suspect the latter.
Oh, and by the way: ignore the Retarded Telephone Pole.
Otherwise, he’ll keep pointing out how racist it is to put someone’s face on TV.
Is it just me or does assholus always sound like he’s on some sort of psychotropic drug?
This is a serious question.
Posted by Jay | permalink
on 06/27 at 02:34 PM
Very well put, sir.
Their relevant faces.
The MD primary is not until September 12 and Mfume is running pretty hard against Cardin yet Gilliard only mentions Cardin – Kosola? Or does Cardin owe Gilliard a thank you note saying:
“Thanks, Steve – Really awfully white of you.
Best, Ben”
TW – Works – it works for me.
Personally, I think actus actually has a point.
They should have used a body double for Willy Horton.
I’m thinking an octogenarian German spinster. Cuz of murderers come in all sizes, shapes and colors.
actus …
Have you actually said anything of substance in this thread? Or are you actually thinking you’re being glib or funny with off-topic highly incoherent one-asides?
Are you sure you’re okay?
I agree with Jay. Steele is just doing what politicians do, and that is raise funds. If he has any compunctions about taking money from these people, but does it anyway, he’s no more or less hypocritical than any other politician. However, he doesn’t seem to be doing much for his cause with black voters, whose support he needs. And if Mfume does run against him, the fight will be an interesting one.
>Their relevant faces<
Here’s Jeff’s chance for a “Relevant Man” quote:
“I am not an Acthole! I am a hummingbee!”
So, Kos-fluffer Gilliard is back to true form sliming the black conservative Michael Steele. And I see that his fellow fluffers, like C&L, have picked up the meme and are running with it.
This is how Gilliard gets his traffic. When he’s not demanding apologies from others, he’s monitoring the plantation’s borders to ensure that his fellow blacks don’t stray too far.
How long till Ollie Willis gets in on the act?
It’s really ironic that the same money filtered throught the US government or the United Way doesn’t have the same tint.
Why should you take money from those who have harmed you ? Isn’t this the whole point of slave reparations that Rep. Conyers has been talking about for years ? Should we mark that moot ?
I can’t read Lo’s byline without hearing Scatman Crothers as the voice of Hong Kong Phooey.
I would have guessed this producer to have some other KKK/Stormfront/Aryan Nation bonafides in addition to the memorable production of a political ad in the eighties. If he’s popularly perceived to be a racist then people couldn’t be basing that solely on a single 30 second clip depicting a man known primarily as a felon, could they?
Otherwise the “black community” would have to hold this Horton fellow up as some sort of authentic and central black figure, bigger than his individuality as a scum criminal. “Black leaders” would have to claim outrage that a brother was attacked by having his mug shot shown on television in a negative political ad. People and the press would need to be convinced that the ad was really being racist rather than simply trading on the recognition of an infamous murder to make a point about criminal recidivism. Finally, people and the press would need to believe that this 18-year-old commercial was a better indicator of the producer’s racism than anything else he’d ever (not) done.
Now the WaPo wants to hint that an ancient, trumped up charge of racism will rub off on Steele? Does supporting a Catholic charity give people the perception that I want to protect child molesting priests from prosecution? At least there’s factual proof that children were harmed to start with!
So if we keep nodding and winking to each other that this “perception” is the “reality” in the minds of the voters then we can continue to use it as a partisan fulcrum to vote Democrat? What happened to “people-powered”? What happened to “We can do better”? What happened to “Strong. Smart.”? It betrays more than arrogance, it shows the party believes their loyal voters to be stupid sheep.
How could we forget Bull Connor?
Conservatives against Civil rights? Never forget!
Now explain to me again how Republicans are racists?
Democrats against Civil Rights is the relevant issue. Or are you questioning Mr. Connor’s Democratic authenticity?
TW: Question indeed.
“However, he doesn’t seem to be doing much for his cause with black voters, whose support he needs.”
Which is Gilliard’s point, minus the vitriol.
Gilliard has a point?
Other than racist venom, I mean.
Does anybody remember the “simple Sambo” picture published on Steve G’s blog last October? He replaced it long ago, but I have it on my site and the original post as well.
I assume this is the part of the nutroots’ “Democrat Talkins Points 2006.” Nauseating.
Which is still an asinine point. The block of “black voters” persists only as long Democratic politicians and proffesional victims continue to cry racism at every turn. The Duke rape case is the perfect storm where it all comes together and concludes with reasonable people (hopefully) opening their eyes to the cynical racist machinations of the Democratic political establishment.
In bed with racists? Is that better or worse than being caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy?
Turing Word: district
Not at all. I think he was authentically democrat. And definately not a liberal. He’s the sort of democrat that’s conservative. Or was. I dont think we have them anymore. They’ve either wised up or left the party.
Or wised up AND left the Party….Miller, Zell Miller…
Whoops – forgot the ROE. IGNORE, must ignore.
One Hung Lo, Gossâ€â€want some more racists? How about Cynthia McKinney and her dear old dad? How about the New York Dem (former Panther) who told a public meeting, ‘sometimes I feel like I just have to smack a white person, or I’ll go crazy?†How about Pelosi sandbagging Cold Cash Jefferson while she supports ‘Ethics’ Mollohan?
And of course Byrd renounced his racist heritage. At ten bucks a head as a Klan recruiter, he made his nut in no time at all…
Stop trying to cast the discussion in terms of radical wingy southern old-school “democrats” and modern-day liberals/libertarians.
This bullshit about “professional victims” only serves to perpetuate the fallacy that black people fall for this crap any more than white people do. Invoking the Duke rape case or the Brawley case is pandering to the same irrelevant sensibilities that this Steele case does. Steele will probably lose because he’s blown it; the fact that he betrayed his putative base should be a lesson more politicians learn.
Oh, and I’m not saying that his “base” is black voters; the way the terms of the debate are couched appear to make it so. But that’s just politics
I’ll take Gilliard’s gripes more seriously if Steele didn’t have his credit report stolen by Chuck Schumer’s staff.
I guess it’s important to protect blacks ONLY if they agree with the plantation masters of the left.
-=Mike
Cynn sez:
Cynn, wasn’t it you who, on the previous thread said “I really don’t appreciate being given a back-handed slap just because I make an observation.” and “But apparently, dissention is simply not tolerated.”? You’re projecting.
Invoking either of those is anti-racism. That’s Racial Politics 101, very relevant to the discussion. What do you find irrelevant about it?
Has there been another group so monolithically dedicated to a political party as blacks have been to the Dems? This is why Steele and others like him are scaring the hell out of the Dems. If that black voting bloc breaks, their hopes of retaining national prominence die. When black people stop looking at themselves as victims, they become more conservative as they are less influenced by the empty promises of Jackson, Sharpton and other “black leaders”.
It’s not a fallacy…yet. But give it time, and it will be.
Steele is a Republican. Liberal blacks are not his base. Self interested blacks might be, and they won’t be put off by this.
But you did say that, regardless of whatever frame you’d like this in. You said he’d lose because he “betrayed” his base. Your words, your frame.
… and now, for the Bonus Round question: which one is the Bizarro…?
I think he betrayed his racist, reThuglican base by being black. Or something like that.
We can dance around prettily and pretend we don’t know how things work, or we can be honest. Republicans like to run black conservatives because it fractures and confuses the Democratic base and makes it more difficult for the Democrats to paint them as anti-black. That means that you end up with a lot of black Republicans who’d never make it as candidates if they weren’t black. The Democrats like to run military and ex-military personnel because it fractures and confuses the Republican base and makes it harder to paint Democrats as anti-military. That means you end up with a lot of ex-military Democrats who’d never make it as candidates if they weren’t ex-military.
This is true all over the democratic world. Ayaan Hirsi Ali became a member of the Dutch parliament for the VVD, the most right-wing party in the Dutch system. (Unless you count Lijst Pim Fortuyn, who are more loony than right-wing.) I’m sure there are left-wing candidates with seemingly “right-wing” credentials in other countries as well—probably Barak and the other Labor ex-military candidates in Israel are the best example. Though these cases provide less clear ammo on the qualifications front: Ali is a brilliant linguist and a gifted natural celebrity, while anybody who makes it to the top of the military in Israel is clearly qualified to enter politics for one side or the other.
Accusations of racism in this situation are all pretty beside the point. Obviously someone like Steele is selected as a candidate because he’s black, and one’s positive or negative reaction to him will be influenced by whether one’s image of a “black conservative” is positive (free-thinking intelligent up-by-bootstraps iconoclast) or negative (takes money from the white establishment to blame blacks for their own poverty).
Probably pointless, but here goes…
Actus,
Would you have objected to showing a photo of Willie Horton in an ad (on the visually-oriented medium of TELEVISION, no less) if he was a WHITE rapist/murderer? If you were honest with yourself (who am I kidding?) you would admit you wouldn’t have thought twice about it.
Why then is it wrong or not “relevant” to show a picture of the black Willie Horton. Because Willie Horton is black, we must refrain from showing his picture, right? This is “off limits”. That is what you are to be saying… well, IMPLYING in an obnoxious way.
The fact that you, and other Democrats, make Willie Horton’s race an issue, when clearly the REAL issue was insanely releasing murders on furloughs (black or white), speaks to your own racism, not conservatives’.
YOU are the ones who think black rapists/murders should be treated differently than white rapist/murders.