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“The apathy of most of America is stunning and appalling to me, Billy. For instance, on December 12, 2005, Dear Leader admitted that his illegal war for oil and Zion has slaughtered 30,000 Iraqi civilians. Even if one accepts this very low guesstimate by King George, there is no denying that his policies have been responsible for ten times the 3000 deaths of September 11, 2001. Which means that by his own admission, he is ten times the terrorist Osama bin Laden ever was. Yet nobody seems to care.”* | |
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“Good points. And well stated. Of course, should we follow that calculus too closely, we’re forced to admit that Chimpy has also bungled his way into freeing—what?—50 million times the number of oppressed Muslims you have?
“Which is not to say you aren’t making a difference, Mother. Far from it. Only that I think it’s time to take a step back and consider whether or not the difference you’re actually making doesn’t, y’know…royally fucking suck.”* |
You’re halfway right Cindy!, but you really need to sit down and shut up.
CINDY! and her views have much more gravitas now that she is being championed by that paragon of deep philosophical thought, David Letterman.
You said it Jeff! Life is so much better now than it ever was with Saddam in charge. Everyone is free, free, free! Our President is like Abraham Lincoln except not gay.
is it any wonder her husband dumped her and her family disowned her? this filthy commie bitch is whoring her own dead son, who by his own actions, enlisting and re-enlisting disowned the skank himself.
“commie” is sooo 20th Century! Just “Filthy Bitch” and “skank” would suffice, don’t you think?
Good god, she writes like she talks … nasally white-trash whine. And she’s still flogging her son’s corpse for effect!
Related: take a look at a congresscritter in San Diego who was all giggles and smiles basking in the bosom of Leftist “Out of Iraq” Sheehan-style acolytes and what happened when he was questioned by Lt. Smash
Ima: would you like it better if we called her a “Nazi”? I mean, she has been endorsed by David Duke….
Ima is one of those trolls who still thinks it clever to mock the jingoistic “flagwaving” of faux patriots unsophisticated enough to believe that love of country means something other than persistent and smugly ironic criticism of the US, sneering self-hatred that tries to point out that our avowed superiority is nothing more than a propagandistic ruse sold us by the opportunistic chauvinists of right wing radio who pander to our ignorant, insular, provincialism—and our fear of the dirty brown man—by providing us with a steady diet of sloganeering country music and the aggessive mindset exhibited in NASCAR and tackle football.
Of course, such a rhetorical strategy is hackneyed and boring—and is particularly misplaced on a site run by someone who has taught for years in the liberal humanities, and whose commenters are an enormously bright lot, among whom are military officers, intel personnel, lawyers, professors, rhetoriticians, and professional writers.
Not that such a realization is likely to stop Ima. After all, he’s a one trick pony, and he’s spent so very long polishing his practiced zingers that it would be unfair to ask him to stop now.
Play it out, Ima. We’re here for you, pal!
For Cindy, I prefer just “pro-terrorist”.
When mother Sheehan said that we were carpet-bombing Iraqi cities, she must have meant that we were dropping actual carpets, right?
Because even David Letterman knows that we stopped dropping masses of dumb bombs after the Vietnam War, right?
So is Mother Sheehan protesting the style of carpet that we’re dropping on the humanity of Iraq? Like, they’re too tacky or cheap for the taste of the average Iraqi human? So we’re committing atrocities and war crimes by offending their stylistic sensibilities?
Right?
C’mon, Ima Troll. Just come out and say the opposite thing that you’re implying. It’s not like anyone’s going to think any less of you. It’s not easy to go any lower.
Look, she has a right to speak out. Her son died to defend that right. Regardless of how embittered, misguided or just plain wrong her opinions are.
She has been used mercilously by the media and is playing to her supporters. Let her. I really don’t think she is helping her cause when she opens her mouth.
Nor do I think she has any moral authority to speak for her dead son.
I had to say goodbye to my son on Monday when he departed for his second tour in Iraq on and we are having his fiance over for dinner tonight. So I can understand her pain, even if she is channeling it in an inappropraite (and disrespectful) manner.
But let’s not forget what her son died for. Her’s – and our – right to speak out freely.
Gaius
Gaius, her son and I and many others have served or are serving for, among other reasons, to protect every American’s right to free speech. However, none of us, as I recall, served for or gained for her the right not to be mocked for using her free speech to demonstrate her ignorance, nor her stupidity, nor her nor her gullibility, nor her willingness to put on public display what appear to normal people to be her emotional and psychological instabilities.
If she wants to put it out there in the public square, we have as much right to hoot and point as she does to make vapid, ignorant comments.
Thank you for your support.
P.S. If my Mom used her free speech rights (for which my Dad and his brothers, many ancestors, some cousins, and my brother and I served to protect) to make such idiotic comments, I’d give her a hard time, too. Fortunately, my Mom is much more sensible than ‘Mother Sheehan’ and undoubtedly a better Mom, too.
I never said anyone had to keep silent about her comments. Freedom of speech does not give one immunity from other’s right to free speech.
At the same time, one can comment – and even slam someone – without vicousness and without sinking to the level of vitriol and malice that some of the really ugly lefties (and righties) can reach. I would like to see some civility brought back into the political discourse. That’s all.
My family has been serving in the Army for as long as there has been an Army in this country (first arrived here in 1683 according to the geneolgists in the family). And none of my ancestors would have been happy with her comments. But they would have spoken politely to her, even if they were putting her down.
I hope that you understand where I am on this issue.
Gaius
Hmmm.
Frankly I think the push by gays to portray Lincoln as gay as ridiculously pathetic.
Inappropriate and disrespectful? Get real.
She’s an out and out antisemite, backed by David Duke, just to name a couple of things she’s done in the recent past. And gosh, let’s not forget that tasteful photo of her smiling while lying on her son’s grave.
Long story short, I’ll start being more civil when she does. And the fact that she’s doing her very damndest to side with those who’d remove those free-speech rights, i.e. those whom her son *fought against*, only strengthens my point.
Clue up…
Gaius:
Mother Sheehan is out in public, taking money from fifth-column organizations, calling the president every name in a the book, undermining the mission, spreading defeatist propaganda in foreign countries, putting her son’s comrades in danger, and ensuring that this war lasts longer and is more dangerous not only for our troops but for the Iraqis she claims to care so much about.
Why can’t I slam her her with the most vitriol that my vitriol-glands can muster? Her rhetoric is indestinguishable from that of Aiman al Zawahiri, al Qaeda’s second in command.
Plus, if she truly felt anything for her son, she wouldn’t pose stretched out on his grave for a photo spread in Vanity Fair, complete with black leotards to give her a svelte, sexy, catlike bod.
She’s deserving of all the slams she gets.
Doesn’t matter if she’s an outright klucker. She has a right. As do you. As do I. You can put her down – usually much more effectively – by being civil than by resorting to name-calling and the like.
There’s a joke that covers this.
Two women are sitting on a porch. One goes on about the new car her husband bought her. The other says “That’s nice”. The first goes on about the mink coat her husband bought her. The second says, “That’s nice”. The first says, “My husband buys me all these thinegs, what does your husband do for you?”
The second woman says, “My husband sent me to charm school.”
“Charm school? What good was that”?
“It taught me to say ‘that’s nice’ instead of ‘who gives a fu**’”.
Get the point?
Yeah, it’s the one on top of your head.
tw: Who asked you anyways?
NOW KICK HER IN THE JAW, BILLY!
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Oh. Um, sorry. Bit carried away.
I’d have to go with Gaius on this one. At the end of the day, just because the object of derision happens to be a slack-jawed semi-sentient fool, doesn’t mean that we can’t be witty, erudite, and intelligent best when making them look like the mouth-breathing fools they are.
Speaking of which, what happened to Ima?
Oh…
Wait…
I guess that also means I should probably review my comments before posting.
Derf.
Who gives a fuck, Gaius?
Cindy and the media had a mutual use pact.
It was the news consumer that got used mercilously. Using the emotions that we would naturally feel for a mother who’d lost her son, they slipped in an editorial opinion disguised as a news story. Just like the over-played Ray Nagin anti-Feds rant during Katrina, it was a case of using someone else’s words to make the anti-Bush points they’d been wanting to say all along. All while they hope we’re emotional enough to feel a bond with the one saying it and won’t notice we’re being manipulated.
And now Cindy has slipped from news coverage and the media can’t even pretend she was ever really important enough to explain to us why she’s no longer relevant. They’d gotten what they wanted out of us.
Cindy Sheehan walks into a bar and the bartender says, “Why the long face?”
*crickets*
wrong thread?
Here’s what struck me. When she talked about what the govt had done:
The NSA has only been listening to international calls which involve known or suspected terrorists.
Which terrorists has “Mother Sheehan” been talking to?
Cindy’s right to say what she wants isn’t the point. For the ten billionth time, I know she has the right. Nobody–repeat, nobody–is arguing that she doesn’t have the right.
Similarly, I have the right to call her a destructive, delusional, dishonest, and repulsive liar who sounds like a lisping twelve-year-old.
(Her lisping twelve-year-old voice isn’t why she disgusts me, but it’s the final piece of grotesquerie in an utterly depressing, revolting situation all around.)
Nothin’ but love, Gaius, but don’t fall for the “criticism=crushing of dissent” line. The same right you keep insisting Cindy has is the same right that everyone else is exercising in slamming her.
You can suggest that we rise above it, but don’t appeal to her undisputed right to speak.
If Cindy Sheehan’s son had lost his life as a volunteer in the coal mines of W.Va., it still would have been George Bush’s fault. Discuss. . .
Jeff, this hackneyed and boring crap about “mother” Sheehan is truly beneath you. It also brings out the worst in your enormously bright commmentors
Jim,
Besides Sheehan, what other terrorist sympathizers are you here to defend?
Damn. I took a couple of weeks off, certain in my own mind that she’d be back to muff diving by the time I got back. But not only do I come back to the continuting Cindy-Billy conversation, you send me to a link that sends me to a link to MICHAEL FUCKING MOORE.
Am I somebody in the age of something tonight? No?
Aha. Just remembered where I’ve seen Gaius before.
So which goof is he? Pyrro or Hubris?
Thanks, Robin, for making my point!
Odds are, “Mother Sheehan” gets her news entirely from the MSM. I’ve yet to hear the MSM describe the NSA program in terms other than “domestic spying”. The smallest mention trots out that term, while the truth languishes, ignored.
I say someone needs to fix up Sheehan with Belafonte, then they could have a love…I mean hate child to fill the void left by her heroic son. You know, someone new to exploit for her crushing need for attention.
I believe 50,000,000 x 0 = 0
Chairman, you got your math wrong.
50,000,000 / 0 = ∞
Thanks Jim, for making my point.
What to think of Cindy Sheehan. It just boggles the mind. Here we have a woman, whose son volunteered for a second tour of duty, calling the people who killed her son “freedom fighters.” It just doesn’t add up. She is actually cheering on the people who killed her son….
You are right though. She has the right to do so – to speak out in any way she wants. I wonder how she would feel though if she went to join the freedom fighters that she admires so much. I can’t see that she’d look any worse in a long dress and scarf covering her face (sorry about being politically incorrect – I do not know the correct terms for a woman’s articles of clothing in the Islamic world). But I do know this, they wouldn’t allow her to open her mouth to speak out. Is that convoluted or what?
But you have to admire her for her perseverance. The longer she gets attention, the more people look at her and say, “WTF?”. She is helping the Republicans more than she knows. So I say, “Keep on speaking your convoluted and obviously delusional spiel, Cindy. And thanks from Republicans all over!”
Ah, specter, but you see, it wasn’t the “freedom fighters” who killed her son, it was the evil Chimperor McBushitlerburon who killed him by sending him over there to pester those poor peace-loving insurgents.
lol Farmer Joe. I know that is what she believes. But isn’t it kind of like this. If her son was a cop and went voluntarily on a call, was shot and killed by a gang member, would she then blame the chief of police for sending the son out? Would she call the gang member something like, “just a guy protecting his own turf.” The logic is still not there. Clearly she is delusional. LOL. And as for Billy Jack – I got a right foot that I could easily put right….well never mind…
JWebb, you say that jokingly, but I actually heard an interview on NPR (the bastin of a-political news agencies) last Friday where a union representative connected the dots all of the way to President Bush. It was something like, “…and Bush’s federal appointment for MSHA has weakened mine safety and made it dangerous for coal miners.”
God bless the souls of those miners, but fucking-A, could one event go by with out placing the blame on the President?
Yes! I mean to start a vigil at the local Social Security office. Hegemonic bastards. Post office too.
Would someone mind relaying that thought to Mother Sheehan? I doubt her poor addled brain has yet grasped that fact.
Recent evidence points to a resounding “no” as the answer. On the plus side, the left may just idiot themselves out of any hope of mid-term election games. Is it OK if I use “idiot” as a verb? Never tried it before…
Idiot as a verb this context is the goodest syntax I has readed.