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Punch back twice as hard [Darleen Click]

Re: Garland, Texas

Re: UCLA BDS Party loses

Lets Act! (LA), the far-left student political party at UCLA, was dramatically swept from power, in election results released Friday, May 1, 2015.

LA, a coalition of mostly identity-based groups (e.g. Afrikan Student Union, MEChA, Queer Alliance, etc.) was defeated 8 seats to 3 (with 3 independents) by their rival, Bruins United (BU), a coalition of most everyone else (led by the Jewish community, fraternities, and sororities).

LA was responsible for slew of anti-Israel actions: Two BDS resolutions at UCLA; objecting to the Judicial Board appointment to Rachel Beyda because she is Jewish; and attempts to disqualify candidates who took trips to Israel.

More, please.

87 Replies to “Punch back twice as hard [Darleen Click]”

  1. 11B40 says:

    Greetings:

    Strange as it may seem to some, what the Garland, Texas event brought to my mind was my favorite Platoon Sergeant’s repeated teaching that “in the infantry game, there are two basic plays, “Find ’em, fix ’em, and finish ’em” and “Let ’em find you, fix ’em, and finish ’em.”

    Islam is the millstone. It is nothing more than the globalization of 7th Century A.D. (if I may) predatory Arab tribal culture under a thin veneer of religion. And if your plan doesn’t include constraining, undermining, or eradicating Islam, you don’t have a plan. What you have is a hope.

    That Geller broad, she has a plan.

  2. dicentra says:

    Two interesting message types on Twitter last night, both from Team Red, regarding Pamela Geller.

    On the one hand, people eager to say “I don’t like Pam Geller,” which Ben Howe wonders about. (Does she really advocate violence and ethnic cleansing?)

    There were the expected, cynical “she just does it for attention” assertions from The Usual Suspects, but then from Debbie Schlussel we get more than just cynicism.

    I went to the links provided and did some Googling on my own. This one is weird: Geller stages an anti-Honor-killing rally and features as a speaker a mother who delivered up her own daughters to their father, who killed them.

    I’m not sure why Geller would do that: the benefit to her is unclear.

    OTOH, the other accusation is that Geller helped finance jihad during a car loan fraud scam she and her ex-husband were involved in. Some cursory Googling on that wise yielded preliminary reports but no conclusions about Geller’s actual involvement.

    So what does this all mean? Let’s say it’s true that Geller is a total fraud, that she is not acting on principle at all; she’s merely found a vehicle to raise her status and raise money for her own pockets.

    How does that change the dynamic of the situation?

    If she staged the cartoon constest for the sole purpose of generating controversy, I can’t say it matters that she was self-interested. Her right to be a rancid provocateur — whose “We will not be silenced by Jihadis” was motivated by less than pure principle — still does not change whether the Assassin’s Veto is appropriate.

    OTOH, if, as Chid alleges, she was genuinely trying to provoke bloodshed — any bloodshed — that’s a different story.

    Does anyone have any knowledge that would lend credence to any of these theories?

    I remember when Charles Johnson parted company with her for meeting with questionable European right-wing (racial nationalist) groups back in the day. I haven’t followed her activities since, so I don’t have a dog in the fight. Author Brad Thor calls her and Robert Spencer dear friends.

    It is inevitable that within any movement you’ll find charlatans who exploit the movement for their own egotistical ends. Some of them are sociopaths whose lying could fool the Devil himself.

    Is Geller one of these? Or is she just a provocateur who cheeses off people on both sides?

  3. McGehee says:

    More, please.

    And faster. Please.

  4. McGehee says:

    Geller has somehow managed to make a lot of enemies, but I’m not one to assume that’s altogether her fault.

    Having so many enemies, I would expect that anything she did that was actually criminal would have been laid before the public in lurid detail by now. For her to be able to suppress the truth of such things would imply a cover-up machine to rival Hillary’s and Barack’s.

  5. dicentra says:

    That’s why I’m baffled by Schlussel’s accusations: I hadn’t heard a thing about being involved in a scam until yesterday.

    Thing is, even if Geller is a con artist, she gets to stage the cartoon contest without fear of violene.

  6. dicentra says:

    Also, I was informed by a Soviet-supporting Finn last night that displaying a few stupid cartoons is not worth losing lives to defend.

    I went ahead and called him a Euroweenie because if anyone deserved the epithet, it was this moron.

    Peace at any cost, is what.

    ::spit::

  7. bgbear says:

    Lot more money on the SJW side. Why stir up people who want/would to kill you?

    Would have to be solely for attention, not money.

  8. bgbear says:

    For the “just because you have a right to insult them does not mean you should crowd”. It bothers me that Charlie Hebdo or Geller etc did not start this. They are reacting to extreme violence by violent jihadists and their belief that you can question their motives.

    (sorry, if that is well thought out, busy right now)

  9. LBascom says:

    Well, then the question is; “when should we insult them? ”

    When they tell us we can’t display a cross? When they tell us the national flag is an insult to Islam? When they actually get around to sawing YOUR head off, got a zinger ready for then?

    Geller is saying ” I won’t submit”. Pretty fucking timely I’d say. And people better start taking the question seriously, the list is endless. Remember the offensive ice cream top?

  10. Drumwaster says:

    Remember the offensive ice cream top?

    Or the offensive tire treads?
    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-25/business/fi-3948_1_tires

    Or the offensive Easter egg hunt?
    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/muslims-in-dearborn-michigan-complains-that-egg-hunt-is-offensive-to-muslims/

    And the list goes on…
    http://amboytimes.typepad.com/the_amboy_times/2007/02/the_list_of_thi.html

    Meanwhile, the murder of 3,000 civilians on 9/11? They’re hunki-dori with that. Blowing up Israelis merely trying to live their lives? No problem. Cutting off the heads of Christians? Burning people alive? Stoning homosexuals? Gimme more, and faster!

    Time to start keeping the powder dry…

  11. bgbear says:

    . . .can’t question. . .

  12. Shermlaw says:

    . . . a Soviet-supporting Finn. . .

    That’s a rare beast. I know from family connections, the vast majority of Finns hate the Russians. Tsarist, Soviet, whatever.

  13. bgbear says:

    Some Finns appreciated the target practice provided by the Soviets.

  14. newrouter says:

    >the vast majority of Finns hate the Russians. Tsarist, Soviet, <

    could be some microaggression

    Winter War

  15. Shermlaw says:

    @Newrouter

    I have relatives on my wife’s side who fought the Russians during that time in those northern forests. There is a reason the Stalin didn’t try to occupy Finland.

  16. cranky-d says:

    Apropos of nothing, a favorite scene of mine from the movie “Red” is the Asian hit-man shooting the Dillon Minigun and watching the brass fly in slow motion. I smile every time I think about it.

  17. Darleen says:

    That’s why I’m baffled by Schlussel’s accusations

    Debbie is jealous. She is a total attention whore hack. And a pig.

    Pam used to be part of a group I was in “The Cotillion” … sort of an informal group blog of ladies including Beth Cleaver, Joy McCann, Greta Perry, Juliette Ochieng, Kathleen McKinnley, Mary Katherine Ham … but she felt she outgrew us … she really really loves the spotlight but I do believe she is sincere in her stance against Islamism (not secular Muslims).

    My own opinion, of course.

  18. Shermlaw says:

    @Cranky

    I watched that movie the other night. Love Helen Mirren.

  19. newrouter says:

    > she is sincere in her stance against Islamism (not secular Muslims). <

    a muslim follows moe who founded islam. there are no secular/moderate muslims. islam is a binary cult. with us or against us.

  20. newrouter says:

    tribalism is the “rage” these days peeps.

  21. newrouter says:

    sparing you a havel quote most of what he talks about in the powfthepowless is a tribal system of maintaining a certain dogma.

  22. gahrie says:

    According to Islam, there is no such thing as secular Muslims.

    I myself have no problem with Arabs. I know many, and they can be good or evil like anyone else.

    I have a major problem with Islam, as does Western Civilization. Whether we like it or not, Islam is at war with us, and has been for almost 1,500 years. The first foriegn war the U.S. was involved in, was freeing U.S. and European slaves from Muslim piracy and slavery.

  23. geoffb says:

    Finnish relatives and friends here too. Hate the Soviets. Full movie Talvisota [Winter War] that nr linked the wiki, or just a taste of it here.

  24. Danger says:

    “I remember when Charles Johnson parted company with her”

    Charles Johnson parted ways with any one that had the audacity to have a view (regardless of how small) conflicting with his. His website trapdoor was set to spring at the slightest doubt or question about one of his proclamations.

  25. […] was Muslim Convert Regular Right Guy: Garland Shooter Identified Darleen Click/Protein Wisdom: Punch back twice as hard Instapundit: Is Pam Geller the bravest woman in the U.S? (well does Ayaan Hirsi Ali live in the […]

  26. Darleen says:

    gahrie

    Maybe ‘non-practicing’ Muslim? I work with a few immigrant & 1st gen American Iranian attorneys. At least a couple were raised Muslim but no longer practice.

  27. geoffb says:

    58% US Muslims reject right to criticize Islam/Muhammad,12% want blasphemers killed per Sharia

    From 2013 piece here.

  28. geoffb says:

    Constitutional law professor concludes that the heckler’s veto should reign supreme if the heckler is violent enough.

    There are two exceptions from the constitutional right to free speech – defamation and the doctrine of “fighting words” or “incitement,” said John Szmer, an associate professor of political science and a constitutional law expert at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

    “Fighting words is the idea that you are saying something that is so offensive that it will lead to an immediate breach of the peace,” Szmer explained. “In other words, you are saying something and you should expect a violent reaction by other people.”

    The exhibit of cartoons in Texas might have crossed the line, Szmer said.

    “I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect what they were doing would incite a violent reaction,” he said.

    I think the professor misunderstands the whole “fighting words exception” thing, but missing the point is the point with Constitutional law professors on the left, even those who are mere temporary lecturers.

  29. Darleen says:

    geoffb

    So the “prof” would find the producers of The Book of Mormon responsible for any deaths/property damage/assaults if only LDS learned to make bombs?

  30. gahrie says:

    Maybe ‘non-practicing’ Muslim? I work with a few immigrant & 1st gen American Iranian attorneys. At least a couple were raised Muslim but no longer practice

    That works for me and you. But as far as their fellow Muslims believe, non-practicing Muslims are apostates and subject to the death penalty. It is one of the major reasons why Islam will never reform, can’t reform. To question any facet of islam, or to call for changes in islam is apostasy and punished by death.

    Frankly I am a little surprised that some Iman hasn’t accused Obama of becoming a Muslim in Indonesia, and that he is an apostate now.

  31. Darleen says:

    But as far as their fellow Muslims believe, non-practicing Muslims are apostates and subject to the death penalty.

    Yep. Which is why the whole “oh those violent jihadists aren’t REAL Muslims” is such utter crap.

  32. Danger says:

    “Frankly I am a little surprised that some Iman hasn’t accused Obama of becoming a Muslim in Indonesia, and that he is an apostate now.”

    Two (not mutually exclusive) possibilities:

    They all believe…

    1. He’s a useful idiot, doing their bidding in his current capacity
    and/or
    2. He’s just waiting to have for more flexibility to show his real colors

  33. geoffb says:

    The professor reminds me of something which paraphrases, since I can’t remember the exact quote, “The finest ideals and highest principles will always give way with the proper application of a rubber hose.” The left loves using brutal violence to stop their political foes and would see it ensconced as a constitutional principle.

  34. Drumwaster says:

    The exhibit of cartoons in Texas might have crossed the line, Szmer said.

    Meanwhile, Piss Christ and Dung Virgin Mary shake their heads in disgust. By that standard, Christians need to start rioting every now and then, with a little mass slaughter of atheists thrown in, just to keep their rights as defined by leftists.

  35. geoffb says:

    Al Hijra is the Islamic doctrine of emigration & subversion of host culture. Muhammad did it.”

  36. Danger says:

    Hence my remark about Joan Walsh’s “there is no debate” comment, Geoff.

    Does the left really want to turn this Country from one based on ideas openly debated to one where their opponent is pushed into a corner with no avenue other than violence to respond?

  37. Danger says:

    ” Muhammad did it.”

    And so did the 911 terrorists.

  38. **** In addition to his research, Dr. Szmer teaches a variety of courses at UNC Charlotte, including judicial process, judicial politics, constitutional law, gender and the law, quantitative methods (for undergraduates and Ph.D. students), and the introduction to American politics. He is also a coach of the UNC Charlotte Mock Trial team, as well as an Honors Faculty member, Director of the Political Science Honors Program, core faculty member in the UNC Charlotte Public Policy Ph.D. program, and a Women’s and Gender Studies affiliate faculty member. ****

  39. McGehee says:

    I seem to remember the Obama “apostate” thing having come up, maybe from Ahmadamnutjob.

    I think that got squelched because the mullarchy perceived O as a friendly.

  40. Steve B says:

    “Other than free speech, why would you host this event?”

    Uh….how about…”attrition?”

    And it worked.

  41. geoffb says:

    As I outline in Islam and Free Speech, classical sharia forbids most artistic representations of animate life, not just expressions that are obviously sacrilegious.

    This is something which is not generally known and has not been pressed yet by the Islamists, perhaps because they wish to first get Sharia blasphemy law set into international law.

    The threat to liberty in this instance is sharia blasphemy law. A bloc of Muslim-majority countries, with the assistance of the Obama administration (led by the U.S. State Department, particularly under Hillary Clinton), is trying to use international law to impose Islam’s repressive law to make it illegal to subject Islam to negative criticism.

    And then they can tighten the screws and ban all representations of the human form. This ban is the reason that intricate geometric designs are what decorate Islamic buildings.

    This ban is the reason for much of the destruction of ancient artifacts. They depict the human form. It is why the Islamists in Egypt, just before Napoleon invaded, blew the nose off the Spinx in an attempt to destroy it. Getting the blame pushed onto the French was just typical taqiya.

  42. guinspen says:

    “Political power grows out of the Women’s and Gender Studies Departments”

    ~ Mao Tse-Tongue ~

  43. dicentra says:

    Charles Johnson parted ways with any one that had the audacity to have a view (regardless of how small) conflicting with his.

    CJ’s excommunication of Geller was the beginning of his 180° (Step 2 was Glenn Beck’s TV advent). Prior to that, he’d been pretty tolerant and cool about everything, just as you’d expect from a laid-back jazz musician.

    I suspect he met his fiancee around then, and she was a rabid SJW, and that’s what motivated him to go Section 8.

    Cherchez la femme, as they say.

  44. dicentra says:

    I do believe she is sincere in her stance against Islamism

    Do you have any insight about why Pam would feature a (supposedly unrepentant) woman who delivered her own kids up to honor killings?

  45. dicentra says:

    if only LDS learned to make bombs

    Browning of rifle fame was LDS.

  46. dicentra says:

    Interesting to watch Ace adopt and defend positions I used to smack him for not holding:

    I should not advertise any hostility I may have towards Ms. Gellar to prove I’m “among the acceptable ones.”

    Acceptable to whom? Who is making this list?

    (It’s a good article, BTW.)

    Back in 2011, when Bachmann and Cain were being hammered in the press, Ace’s possee referred to them as “clowns.”

    The following Twitter convo occurred (threading’s been lost, so here’s the reconstruction):

    Ace
    Just so it’s on the record, I *DO* think that conservatives CAN BE goofballs, unlike @proteinwisdom, who thinks they are incompatible.

    Dicentra
    Jeff doesn’t form his opinions to avoid mockery from Teh Hip. Neither do I. You often do.

    Ace
    By “The Hip” you seem to mean the non-emotionally-crazed and “people who respect intelligence and achievement”

    Dicentra
    I know what it’s like to want respect from The Left while staying conservative. Price is too high.

    Ace
    So you are Better Than Me, yes?

    Jeff
    How could an adept of cults who rides the Purist crazytrain ever believe he’s better than someone who doesn’t?

    So, yeah.

  47. bgbear says:

    “fighting words” have to be direct and personal don’t they?

  48. dicentra says:

    Schlussel and her flunky just can’t quit me.

  49. McGehee says:

    “fighting words” have to be direct and personal don’t they?

    What’s that supposed to mean!!??

    Seriously though, I wonder if the SCOTties have ever regretted getting into that brier patch.

  50. bgbear says:

    Makes me think of Joe Pesci in “Good Fellows” taking offense and any little perceived slight.

  51. newrouter says:

    oh noes

    >And she has created a new expectation in the city: that police officers who arrest without what she considers to be probable cause (an often subjective standard) are subject not just to civil action (the current norm) but criminal action. Mere mistakes, or judgments exercised under duress, can land them in the pokey.

    How about Mosby’s own mistake? Her case against the two arresting officers rests upon an “illegal” arrest. She says the knife that Freddie Gray was carrying was legal. But according to the Baltimore Sun, the police task force examined it and said the officers were indeed correct, the knife was spring-assisted and therefore prohibited. If so, it was Mosby who made the “illegal” arrest, and could be charged under her own theory of “false imprisonment.” And sued to boot, since she forfeited her immunity from civil action by doing the charging herself. <

    link

  52. McGehee says:

    Who knew he was doing a parody of splodeydopes?

  53. newrouter says:

    #isisisislam news

    >“This will heal the hearts of our brothers and disperse the ones behind her. To those who protect her: this will be your only warning of housing this woman and her circus show. Everyone who houses her events, gives her a platform to spill her filth are legitimate targets. We have been watching closely who was present at this event and the shooter of our brothers. We knew that the target was protected. Our intention was to show how easy we give our lives for the Sake of Allah.”

    The message says ISIS has stationed “71 trained soldiers in 15 different states ready at our word to attack any target we desire.”

    “Out of the 71 trained soldiers 23 have signed up for missions like Sunday, We are increasing in number bithnillah. Of the 15 states, 5 we will name… Virginia, Maryland, Illinois, California, and Michigan,” the posting continues. “The disbelievers who shot our brothers think that you killed someone untrained, nay, they gave you their bodies in plain view because we were watching.”

    “The next six months will be interesting, To our Amir Al Mu’mineen make dua for us and continue your reign, May Allah enoble your face,” it concludes, using an honorific title for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.<

    link

  54. newrouter says:

    >The American Freedom Defense Initiative can’t debate Islamic theology in the liberal press. Nobody understands a thing about that. What they understand is the image of happy, smiling, clapping people in exotic clothing. The reason why the media see no threat in Islamism is because they don’t take it seriously. Ironically, they fear Geller and her associates is because they do.<

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/05/05/inspirational-vs-operational/#ixzz3ZJeFPNcE

  55. LBascom says:

    Funny how Ace is so defensive instead of taking responsibility for his part in being exactly whom he is now damning.

    He should be apologizing to Jeff and those of us who were telling him that shit years ago.

    I really doubt he’s actually ready to start speaking truth to consensus, but rather consensus has changed, and he’s trying to get out front.

  56. newrouter says:

    >Funny how Ace is so defensive instead of taking responsibility for his part in being exactly whom he is now damning. <

    his side kick gabe malor is into the "upper middle class" gay sensitivities these days. for the "tribe".

  57. newrouter says:

    >but rather consensus has changed,<

    consensus' is mostly a con/scam to dicktate policy. my goal is to destroy the tower of babel. their goal is to preserve it.

  58. gahrie says:

    “Do you have any insight about why Pam would feature a (supposedly unrepentant) woman who delivered her own kids up to honor killings”

    Know thine enemy?

  59. Danger says:

    That’s what I was thinking, gahrie.

    Show the world just how depraved these people can be.

    I didn’t see the features but if I were to do it, I’d let her tell her story free of editorial comments.

    Basically playing the sympathetic/supportive cop allowing her to seal her fate.

    If I appear cold, detached, and callous

  60. Danger says:

    That’s what I was thinking, gahrie.

    Show the world just how depraved these people can be.

    I didn’t see the features but if I were to do it, I’d let her tell her story free of editorial comments.

    Basically playing the sympathetic/supportive cop allowing her to seal her fate.

    If I enlighten/warn an ignorant public than I could live with appearing cold, detached, and callous.

  61. Danger says:

    Sorry about the double post.
    Stupid phone :-(

  62. geoffb says:

    Danger.

    This too was what the event did, unintentionally, also and is what the media is attempting to cover over with the “look squirrel” method.

  63. Danger says:

    Yeah Geoff,

    And fortunately, this time the Muslims overplayed their hand.

    Storming a well defended event and shooting a Texas cop did not end well for them.

    They’ll come again though. (Past) Time to prep the battlefield.

  64. geoffb says:

    From nr’s 7:02.

    What they understand is the image of happy, smiling, clapping people in exotic clothing trying to stay free of some whiskey preacher. The reason why the media see no threat in Islamism is because they don’t take it seriously. Ironically, they fear Geller and her associates is because they do.

    For the multi-culti left what matters is the clothing, the music, the food, the art-ifacts of the [semi]-“other.” This is the “multi” the diversity that is the important distinction between all peoples [tribes] of the planet. That someone might think differently, might see the entire world through a mindset, a sensual filter where what “X” means, what the value of “Y” is, is not only not on the same page but in another universe is unthinkable except for those crazy believing Christians and Jews.

    All the good people think just as they do. They just have different tastes. They, the left, see the differences but don’t see them. All those exotic rituals and oddities are just thought of as surface things. No different than dress down day at the office and meaning just as much.

    As Arthur Jenson put it 40 years ago in “Network.”

    There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today!

    The international materialist order. How could anyone not insane think otherwise.

  65. geoffb says:

    They, ISIS, are at least saying that the outcome was expected and demonstrative.

    We knew that the target was protected. Our intention was to show how easy we give our lives for the Sake of Allah.”
    […]
    “Out of the 71 trained soldiers 23 have signed up for missions like Sunday, We are increasing in number bithnillah. Of the 15 states, 5 we will name… Virginia, Maryland, Illinois, California, and Michigan,” the posting continues. “The disbelievers who shot our brothers think that you killed someone untrained, nay, they gave you their bodies in plain view because we were watching.”

  66. Danger says:

    Geoff,

    They are welcome to impress us with “how easy they give their lives for the sake of Allah”

    Out of the 71 trained soldiers 23 have signed up “for missions like Sunday,”

    The 48 unsigned soldiers are driving as fast and far from Texas (or any other right to carry State) as possible.

  67. Ernst Schreiber says:

    re geoffb’s 5/4/15/@2050:

    Time to get medieval on some flagburner’s ass.

  68. McGehee says:

    We knew that the target was protected. Our intention was to show how easy we give our lives for the Sake of Allah.

    They like to claim Muslims outnumber Christians.

    How long do they think that’ll last?

  69. geoffb says:

    The “smart” set weighs in.

    [H]ate speech is excluded from protection. dont just say you love the constitution…read it

  70. sdferr says:

    Fox News’ tripemonger Bill O’Reilly (professional piece-of-mental-dogshit) stands with Chris Cuomo. Must be a New Yorker Empire State sort of deal, at guesses.

  71. McGehee says:

    I wonder if either of them knows what the Constitution’s purpose is. A lot of the ruling class seems to think its limits and prohibitions are on the ruled instead of on the rulers.

  72. sdferr says:

    I tend to dismiss their Roman Catholic connection out of hand, but maybe I’m too hasty to do that?

  73. geoffb says:

    Doubling down on the stupid. An O’Reilly tactic too.

  74. sdferr says:

    Do the Jesuits formally teach their pupils how to be a bull-headed moron?

  75. geoffb says:

    I don’t think so. bh would know.

  76. geoffb says:

    First there was “A”, “Arab Spring” which worked out so well. Well not so well for the Arabs but just as planned for the White House Social Justice League.

    Now there is to be a “B”, “Black Spring” which will likely work just as well for WHSJL as before.

    Will next year be a “C”, Chicano Spring?

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  78. dicentra says:

    They like to claim Muslims outnumber Christians.

    How long do they think that’ll last?

    When SCOTUS makes SSM the law of the land, all churches (but not mosques) that refuse to recognize SSM will be designated “hate groups,” and the parishoners who cannot bear the social stigma will leave the pews and hasten to signal that they’re either “one of the good ones” or “evolved.”

    So that cuts down our numbers. Those who cannot endure the mockery of their peers can hardly be counted on to raise a sword in their own defense.

  79. McGehee says:

    If they would be driven from church by social stigma, they were never Christians to begin with, and aren’t now.

    I still say though, that the numbers game doesn’t favor the suicidists.

  80. dicentra says:

    If they would be driven from church by social stigma, they were never Christians to begin with, and aren’t now.

    Given the number of times Jesus assures his followers to expect and even welcome persecution from a wicked world, those who don’t know what comes with the territory are pretty moronic.

    Sometimes God uses the wicked to yank up some of the tares from among the wheat. Sends not peace but a sword.

    Yay us.

  81. newrouter says:

    pam geller

    >Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, a tyrant can wreak havoc unopposed, while his opponents are silenced.

    Putting up with being offended is essential in a pluralistic society in which people differ on basic truths. If a group will not stand for being offended without resorting to violence, that group will rule unopposed, while everyone else lives in fear.

    Islamic law as it’s interpreted by extremists forbids criticism of Islam, the Quran, and Muhammad. If they cannot be criticized in the United States, we are in effect accepting Islamic law as overriding the freedom of speech. This would establish Muslims as a protected class and prevent honest discussion of how Islamic jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence.

    Some say that “hate speech” should be censored. But what constitutes “hate speech” is a subjective judgment that is unavoidably influenced by the political perspective of the one doing the judging.

    Allowing this sort of censorship would mean nothing less civilizational suicide. Many in the media and academic elite assign no blame to an ideology that calls for death to blasphemers — i.e., those who criticize or offend Islam. Instead, they target and blame those who expose this fanaticism. If the cultural elites directed their barbs and attacks at the extremist doctrine of jihad, the world would be a vastly safer place.

    You can try to avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. The shootings in Garland, Paris, and Copenhagen targeting defenders of free speech, and the raging jihad across the Middle East, Africa, and Europe, are the disastrous consequences of avoiding reality.<

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  82. geoffb says:

    Garland Mayor decides he is against free speech or something.

    Garland Mayor Douglas Athas, who said of Geller: “Her actions put my police officers, my citizens and others at risk. Her program invited an incendiary reaction. She picked my community, which does not support in any shape, passion or form, her ideology.”

  83. bgbear says:

    My police, my citizens, my community

    my, my, my

    Mayor Athas, turn in your Texan card or crawl on your knees to the Alamo and ask the ghosts for forgiveness.

  84. McGehee says:

    I suspect Athas has something in common with the other picante sauce in those Pace commercials.

  85. LBascom says:

    I believe the NSA has enough information to apply pressure on nearly anyone their masters desire. If, as I suspect, SCJ Roberts was so pressured, a small town police chief would likely be impressed by a call from a high ranking federal official that knows all kinds of stuff about you…and yours.

  86. LBascom says:

    Oh, mayor I meant, not police.

    I wonder how that mayor would describe Gellers “idealology” he’s so indignant about.

    I’m thinking its most likely Douglas pisses himself just at the thought of swarthy men in turbans.

    This is all nothing more than idle speculation on my part. It’s just all so bazaro world to me.

  87. sdferr says:

    Athas, Parthas and Oromis: the treed mooseketeers

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