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“little hoops to jump through”
like not spreading your legs whore
yes slut shaming!!11!!
I gave a dollar. I don’t want people getting abortions because well….I don’t like the guy anymore. F*k. I support the right to have an abortion up until viability (actually, the 20th week). After that, no. Tough shit if you can’t get your shit together in 5 months. That said. All too often it is a complete lack of responsibility that created the child, and ‘getting an abortion’ is not taking responsibility for the consequences, it is killing the child and sweeping it under the rug. I can’t stand for banning abortion. It goes against my principles. I didn’t have an abortion, V didn’t (she lost two children to early miscarriages). My mother lost two children and the emotional trauma to both was profound. I can’t imagine being in the position of realizing what they did, and how that will twist them in the future.
I think the film is necessary. I hope it moves the bar. I hope it creates a slippery slope towards reducing abortions. I also support making birth control easier to get. Yea, abstinence is more responsible…but we have seen MILLIONS of examples of people’s irresponsibility. If it saves one spirit from the torture….
I wonder what the ratio is between no birth control resulting in pregnancy ending in abortion and failed birth control resulting in pregnancy ending in abortion.
Ten billion to one…..
tracy
I read the Grand Jury report … it was worse than the worse StevenKingZombieApocolypseFreddieKrugerHalloweenPsycho movie you’ve ever seen.
I contributed $50 when it first hit gofundme (after indiegogo shut them down)
I’ve always considered myself reluctant pro-choice — abortion should be legal with a very narrow window and never after 12 weeks on a healthy fetus. I know it is a compromise, and possibly a bad one as it is still killing a nascent human life for, in 95% of the cases, convenience.
But America is radical in that we DO allow 2nd & even 3rd trimester abortions with little more than shrugged shoulders and lip service. Something that even Europe does not.
The fact that America’s pro-abortion faction is doing everything it can to interfere with this film is damning.
I also support making birth control easier to get.
I don’t know how much easier it can get — but it is interesting that the GOP push to make The Pill available over-the-counter was thoroughly denounced by Dems.
I’ve never encountered birth control that you could get without a prescription. So, over the counter would be an improvement. I’d rather there were no abortions, and I STRONGLY respect your position. Getting anything beyond ‘absolutely none’ is better in my opinion.
As to Gosnell, as opposed as I am to State executions (I don’t oppose the death penalty but figure the State is too corrupt to be trusted to perform them in my name), he deserves it. His staff deserve it. The people in PA Health that supposedly oversaw his ‘office’ deserve life sentences as co-conspirators. It was a human butcher shop. I don’t doubt there are others. This is an example of what happens when there are no ‘governors’, nothing that says HEY! What’s going on? Because if they do the Left screams racist, or woman hater or anything else that shuts down any attempt to supervise.
The entire system failed. Most of it got away with it.
I’ve never encountered birth control that you could get without a prescription.
Condoms, foam, sponge (don’t know if they are available anymore) … yes you have to have a prescription for a diaphragm but that’s because it has to be fitted.
Ten billion to one….
I’ll have to double check, but I believe Planned Parenthood’s own stats show something like an 85% failure rate over a ten year period.
I was wrong. It’s 70% over 10 years
source
That only took an hour to track down
This is interesting:
I guess that makes it 2 to 23, doesn’t it?
Maybe I’m wrong. If I’d been good with statistics, I’d have gone with political science instead of history.
Sorry for pulling a newrouter.
Ernst: and therefore it is less a situation of reckless behavior? They tried and ‘technology’ failed so they resorted to an abhorant choice over a child they didn’t want and tried to prevent from ever happening.
Maybe they should keep their legs together, but then, if there were no one to take advantage of the situation, that also may have taken precautions….
It still takes two to make a baby, whether wanted or not, planned or not….blame seldom, if ever, is shared by the man…
In my youth, I never understood what was so hard about “don’t want a baby? Then don’t put that in there.”
You can put that anywhere else it’ll fit, and you can stick anything else in there, so really kids, use your imaginations. Google if necessary.
Sadly, no longer an issue, personally.
Tracy, I’m glad we agree that sex outside of matrimony is reckless.
There is a form of contraception that is not only 100% effective at preventing pregnancy (only one known Exception in all of History), it is also 100% effective at preventing all known sorts of STDs.
Unfortunately, in today’s world of “Do what thou Wilt Shall be the Whole of the Law”, the special little snowflakes are given sex-ed training in fifth grade, state-paid abortions in junior high (and the school staff are forbidden from informing Mom and Dad), and Hollywood is pushing that pendulum as far as it can go. What have such policies gotten us?
Ernst: If you think abortions only happen with single women, you’d be wrong. Married women get abortions also. And I don’t think sex outside of marriage is ‘reckless’ by definition. I was suggesting that ‘sex outside of marriage is reckless’ is not a primary reason women get abortions and asking if you now agreed with that….
Many people thought when I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane I was being reckless. I took precautions, like wearing a parachute, but people die jumping out of airplanes every year (fortunately very few)….they weren’t reckless either. Not many activities in human behavior that are risk free…
Drumwaster: abstinence is not a form of contraception. It is not having sex. Another useless phrase that was worthless as a slogan.
the lady in the second video is very cute and her accent is very cute and she’s fun to watch whereas the lady in the first video is icky
If the intent is not to conceive a child, whatever method one uses is a form of contraception. The not having sex part would simply be the price one pays for 100% effectiveness.
Hamster, have you ever wondered why no one respects you?
i followed the assignment unlike you mr. popular
That’s kind of interesting, isn’t it? Skydiving is safer than sex, even when practicied “safely.”
If parachutes had the same failure rate over time as contraception, how many people outside of the military would be using them?
My only point is that if we were really serious about keeping people from killing babies, we’d take a more responsible tack towards the activity that makes babies in the first place.
By all accounts that snake in the Garden of Eden was the most beautiful creature on the planet
Just say’in…
The assignment did not ask about your feelings.
Drumwaster: abstinence is not a form of contraception.
as has been pointed out, by definition it is.
It is not having sex.
another definitional issue — abstinence usually is defined as abstaining from sexual intercourse. There are far many more ways to “have sex” than PIV. Even married people do those other things when PIV is unavailable.
Another useless phrase that was worthless as a slogan.
Only because the anti-family Left is all about consequence-free hedonism.
I am no Romeo but, I have never had contraception fail.
Both pregnancies I was part of were because the lady in question wanted sex NOW and damn the consequences that no condom was not nearby and I was a weak young man in his early 20s that cooperated.
I think failure rate is tough to measure. Too much lying or incompetence.
Bear, I have, and there is no “oh shit!” Movement like the one when you pull out a torn condom.
I call my moment “son”…
Also, must have been my upbringing, abortion never even crossed my mind.
Oh, that was supposed to be moment, not movement.
Stupid auto- spell.
McGhee (and Darlene): contra – against, conception – fertilization. An attempt to prevent conception as a consequence of sexual intercourse. So, you don’t have ‘no sex contraception’. There is no risk to mitigate: risk = pregnancy from intercourse.
An actual definition: the deliberate use of artificial methods or other techniques to prevent pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse.
Darlene: No, the slogan was mocked regularly around me regardless of people’s opinion on abortion. As to other playful past times, whatever ‘pursuit of happiness’ works for you… :)
on the rapey: vaginas have 240 hrs after contacting the police to abort the rapist transgressions. the little thing forming is not your baby. your free will knows this.
you get “Raped” you get 9 months also to circumvent your transgressor? eff wymens. you choose stupid.
My political thought professor marked off for use of dictionary definitions.
What mattered was the idea being expressed, not some musty life preserver found in a book. You were expected to be able to defend your usage yourself.
In real life no one assigns extra points for being dictionarily correct.
McGehee: Aw, I did provide my definition, then went and found a ‘standardized’ definition. I don’t need it to state my position – simple word construction does that, but even moreso, our usage generally involves the idea of ‘preventing conception’ within the context of sexual intercourse. Otherwise, there is no need for contraception, there is no risk of conception to be mitigated.
YOU argue that preventing contraception is the goal suggesting there is no other purpose for sexual intercourse. Maybe you are not arguing that, but it is implicit in the position : if you don’t want to conceive, don’t have sex. So, by implication, the only purpose of sex is to conceive. I argue, as do others, that sex has a variety of purposes, conception being only one possibility.
McGehee: “If the intent is not to conceive a child, whatever method one uses is a form of contraception”
That is one position. It is not the one on the table. Called changing the premise. Premise: people have sex. Your statement says, in part: people don’t have sex. In that case, the rest of the discussion is moot. You are not talking about abortion, you are talking about having sex, or specifically, not. You can’t get to “C” if you don’t even get to “B”.
The one on the table is that people have sex and one of the possible consequences is conceiving a child, a consequence many people attempt to prevent or mitigate the risk of and sometimes fail resulting in women obtaining abortions.
Seems to me that McGehee’s “if you don’t want to be birthin’ no babies, don’t be making no two-backed beast” is a lot more realistic than “we know you can’t help but fuck like monkies, so here’s what you need to do to mitigate* the risk of pregnancy before you get you hot monkey sex on.”
*mitigate, not eliminate.
Ernst: Yes, that is McGehee’s point. And it is still useless in the context of abortion because people have sex not intending on having children and YET! it happens and then they try to ‘amend the process’, ‘fix the mistake’, ‘unring the bell’, ‘kabosh the caboose’, KILL THE BABY. So, obviously, as has been found out, a large part of the problem is an attempt to prevent contraception failed. They wanted sex, were allowed to have sex, legally not prevented from it, thought it might be a great idea to stabilize the relationship and you know….show love, caring, respect and affection for one another WITHOUT having to worry about consequences they had made a conscious desire to avoid, avoid conception. Hence CONTRAception.
Unless you want to ban sex and license having children. Like V and I had to have….
Because people be having hot monkey sex as two-backed beasts…..all those damn heterosexuals….
I’m saying sex has a telos, which isn’t orgasm, and no amount of precaution can change that.
tracy
no one wants to ban sex … what many of us are saying is there are consequences
People can live up to their responsibility and learn to control their nature. Which is what an adult human being is supposed to do.
Darlene: to paraphrase you: people can live up to their responsibility and learn to abstain from sex unless they want to have a baby…..
I am saying that lots of people understand the consequences and made a conscious effort to limit those consequences and ‘technology’ failed.
That is being adult. Having an unwanted child is not always the result of an inability to control oneself, or lacking adulthood…which is the finding above….lots of ‘failures’ happen but not being a responsible in control adult is not ALWAYS the problem. So you and I agree that there has to be, sorry, should be, at least a path to deal with the failure of their attempt to limit the consequences after the fact. But it should be soon, really soon, after. Months and months MIGHT be the result of a battle within the woman concerning her own principles and beliefs. But at some point there has to be a deadline. You put it at 12 weeks, I’m at 20. Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people sit at the extreme(s). (I am not saying hurtful, hateful, unthinking)
Gee Ernst, now I think you’re sliding my way…!
tracy
No, you’re not paraphrasing me, you’re rewriting me to your own perception.
ADULTS weigh risks and then live up to their responsibility.
Human nature is something we all struggle with on a daily basis, whether it is an extra donut, a new outfit when our credit card is maxed out, going to work even if we don’t feel like it or engaging in sex.
These are all choices where our thinking deals with controlling or giving in to our feelings
I would love that all people who have PIV sex were consciously aware that each act can lead to a new life and act accordingly including respecting the new life created, even if inconvenient.
They won’t/can’t/find adulthood too ‘offensive’. I want the window as narrow as possible for resorting to abortion on a healthy fetus. I certainly want to continue to promote the immorality of ANY unnecessary abortion while offering alternatives such as adoption.
Darlene: You keep saying people have to live up to their responsibility as if pregnancy is an automatic indicator of not doing so when abortion is contemplated or done.
According to Ernst’s research, more than 50% of abortions occur with women that were on contraceptives at the time of sex. That isn’t living up to their responsibilities?
If 70% of women on contraceptives will get pregnant (few women I’ve ever known were on contraceptives for less than 10 years), maybe the 50% is closer to 70%. That leaves maybe 30% not living up to their responsibilities of having sex and getting pregnant….ok, well, how many women have sex and are not on contraceptives and don’t get pregnant….hmmmmm
According to the CDC 89-92% of abortions happen by the 12th week. So, up…let’s say 89% of women have their abortions within the time frame you suggest. I too am disgusted by people that use abortion as a birth control. I’m disgusted by smokers putting out their butts in food, I am appalled at people that just toss trash (including lit cigarettes) out their car windows.
89-92% before 13 weeks
7.3% between 14 and 20 weeks
1.4% after 21 weeks.
1.4%.
I think 98% are aware of their responsibilities. I think 7% had a hard time with their principles and the consequences of their acts. That leaves 1.4%, about 17k abortions out of 1.2 million.
Obviously I’m a big fan of adoption.
Tracy, I gotta say, you’re being kinda silly.
Conceiving a child is a biological event for which, biologically, IS the only purpose of sex. It may have other uses, but that is it’s purpose. Seems reasonable any strategy you use to prevent pregnancy could be concidered contraception. Including not doing the thing which purpoe of is conception.
People used to understand this better back when girls were supposed to be virgins til marriage. Then came the pill and it became girls weren’t supposed to get pregnant before marriage. Then came easy abortions, and that went out the window, and now over half the babies are born out of wedlock, people think the purpose of sex is recreational, and men are marrying each other.
America was better when sex was special.
Note, off topic, sorta: The threat to Christians worldwide has increased dramatically – this country’s lack of response to it (as a nation) should terrify everyone – it does me. There is a reason I won’t leave this country, I am a target. The Left seems to think they are in some safe cocoon and all bad things are on a par with spilled coffee. The willful ignorance about evil – yes, I believe in the existence of evil – is manifest daily….and Gosnell was a clear example in this Nation’s, but especially in the Left’s own backyard.
I think abortion is terrible. I get self destruction, I see it daily. I get stupid, I see it daily. I can’t…won’t, use government to stop it.
LBascom: I’m not a rutting animal. I get to choose. I have reason and free will. I can ignore a biological imperative.
If you and others want to abstain from sex as a means of contraception, please by all means! This is an argument with little purpose. It doesn’t address abortion. But I will concede this: if you want to avoid becoming an alcoholic, don’t drink; if you want to avoid being a drug addict, don’t take drugs; if you want to avoid divorce, don’t get married.
LBascom and men could demand it of their wives? Ah, the good ole days…
Men should be allowed to expect it from their wives, what with the whole forsaking all others thing, but if you’re demanding it you’re doing it wrong.
You’re missing the point though. The argument isn’t really that abstinence is virtuous (though it is outside of marriage IMHO), but rather abstinence is the only 100% effective method of preventing pregnency and STDs. Just a statement of fact. I don’t get why you’re taking it as victimizing, but I suppose the harsh truth of reality can do that to a person…
Sorry if it seems I am whining and claiming some victimhood. Nothing is further from the truth (on the second point…the first point is a perception I have little control over).
Too much semantics, you can’t get pregnant if you don’t have sex. Not every act of sex has the intention, even if it could, result in pregnancy. People enjoy sex, even in a marriage context. When there was no understanding, no contraception, there was only abstinence and we had families with 6, 9, 11 and 13 kids (in the neighborhood I grew up in).
Yea, you can abstain in a marriage….what a barren existence that probably is. Victoria called it bed-death.
lessee . . . hmmm, ah yes:
marriage
marriage
. . . and the fallout
I have a suspicion that, as a group, people who can’t seem to get contraception to work also have poor credit scores. Owe their friends money. Had a utility shut off. Have parents and then bosses who give them a hard time when they didn’t even do anything wrong. Miss shifts at work because of bad luck.
Some people just have it rough.
Ubaldo just got ejected for hitting a batter (Sandoval, in the shoulder). He has it rough, what with little control of the ball and no warnings issued prior to an immediate dismissal — generally unheard of.
Sounds like another episode of the Ump Show, sdferr.
i mean, he got fucked but I wouldn’t say he’s pregnant cause he’s still Ubaldo. you should see the ump’s strike zone. It’s hilarious.
So, it’s the home cooking episode of the ump show then.
Rule one of sports: Never agree to away games. Negotiate the schedule harder.
well, maybe the fetus homie cooking episode of the ump show, ’cause hell, the game was only 3.2 innings old.
You keep saying people have to live up to their responsibility as if pregnancy is an automatic indicator of not doing so when abortion is contemplated or done.
EXACTLY. Unless there are some extenuating circumstances, that is generally what is happening.
Oops … yeah, I skipped my pill a couple of days and didn’t insist my partner wear a condom and, dayum, the rabbit died! Time to have my uterus sucked clean of “the product of conception” <--(one of most denialist of euphemisms ever coined) This is why limiting your sex partners to the person you'd think would make a wonderful dad/mom you'll spend your life with is Best Practice. Then when an "oopsy" occurs you might be surprised, but you move on to welcoming the newest edition to humanity.
ot so i bought a 7 lb cooked ham @ aldis today for $6. freeze portions. good sous vide temp for eating: 13o F @ 6 hrs w/o defrost? go sideways birds.
Never cooked a cured ham sous vide before. I’d probably cook it like it was a super thick chop after a 10% salt/sugar brine. Maybe cut it into 3 inch thick sections and go near 141 F for around 3 to 4 hours. That’s be my first stab at it anyways.
Myself I’d probably just through it into an oven.
To get some added value out of sous vide here, I’d think about doing something interesting with an infusion or another. Like get a little bourbon and brown sugar in the bag. Or maybe walnut oil and rosemary. Something like that.
through=throw
merci
ot the easter ham bone made a fine soup with great northern beans which i pulverized and added onions, carrots et al. also doing soft pretzels lately. fun to make though don’t get the close to the appearance of manufactured. next bagels.
Sorry to interrupt de chefs…
Darlene: I am generally opposed to making laws to protect people from ‘stupid’, that also means that while I really do enjoy watching people deal with the consequences of their stupidity I try to avoid stomping on their ass when they present it to me for said kicking.
So, Ernst’s finding that more than 50% of women seeking an abortion were on contraceptives and 70% that are on contraceptives for 10 years or more are dismissed as lying sacks of shit. Kewl. That makes arguing a position easier.
I like best practices. I work real hard to try and use them in many places. Did you know that when I go to the beach (I’ve been 10 times so far this year!! Great for natural Vitamin D, which I was suffering a lack of last year) I use baby oil. It hydrates the skin, keeps it moist, doesn’t come off easily in the water and is a barrier to much of the UV. Gives me a great tan too!
In all of human history we don’t get to see many examples of people that took advantage of best practices….even at their point in our history. We tend to, well, using and butchering an Econ concept, make up the difference on volume. I say this because most of our innovation has come from screw ups, or doing things considerably not best practices. I’m not suggesting that we should throw out the book and break the rules and scrape ‘best practices’ except for the publishing industry, just that we, as a country, try to recognize failure and not punish people forever for it. Doesn’t mean that doing something stupid is the same as being innovative or failing at a good idea, but the punishing part is it. In the end, we have tens of thousands of kids needing a good home. I am sure there are a million good Christian homes with a spare bedroom but most of those kids will age out of a system that dumps them on the street.
Who are you punishing?
Yea, don’t do things that can lead to bad consequences, take advantage of the wisdom of history and your parents, try to avoid stupid in all the thousands of ways that presents itself daily. Hopefully, when all that fails, there will be some family, friends, a church or last but hopefully least, government to help avoid starvation and freezing to death.
…now returning to our regularly scheduled de chefs….
The point of the statistics I offered up is that “safe sex” is a lie. The only safe sex is married sex.
If only because there’s a presumption that marriage implies a family.
Granted, that presumption isn’t as secure as it once was.
Ernst,
I’m not sold on the accuracy of Planned parenthoods stats. The 99% for 10 yrs = a 70% overall failure rate may be mathematically correct; (assuming the 99% rate is correct) however, the >50% number of abortions coming on the heels of failed contraception seems suspect and awfully self-serving (how many women use contraceptives for 10 years?).
Also, how many of these contraceptive practitioners were using said products correctly with no missed dosages?
If I was good with math, I’d be doing something really useful, like I said. But it seems to me that only one of two conclusions can be true vis-a-vis birth control: Either women are too stupid (emotional, immature, all of the above) to be entrusted with responsibility for preventing conception, or contraception isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
Danger, I left you a link in that old thread conversation from a couple of days ago.
As a general rule anyone on medication, of any kind, that is taken over periods of years misses doses. Diabetics, people with high blood pressure, it happens with contraceptives also. Generally a single dose miss is not an issue. BTW, most people that have to take medication for years die of the disease anyway. And why yes, women die from pregnancy while men never do because of ejaculation..
Also, not a single woman would become pregnant if men took responsibility for the seed they are planting also. Maybe they are too stupid or emotionally immature to take their responsibility seriously. And their contraception systems don’t actually interfere normal biological functions.
Again, abortion is all about the woman’s behavior….and yes, I take full responsibility for the quality, and quantity of men in my bed and the consequences of OUR actions.
not a single woman would become pregnant if men took responsibility for the seed they are planting also
Still baff’lin with bullshit I see.
And making me near to weep for the awful plight that is being a woman.
Wah!
tracy
As a general rule anyone on medication, of any kind, that is taken over periods of years misses doses.
and
not a single woman would become pregnant if men took responsibility for the seed they are planting also
and
Maybe they are too stupid or emotionally immature to take their responsibility seriously
Do you understand that the third statement is equally applicable to 1 and 2?
If a woman is on the pill and her husband/boyfriend knows that, he is not going to be able to “take responsibility for his seed” unless she tells him “oops, i forgot”.
As a COUPLE they together made the decision on what kind of b/c to use (and they should also be in agreement on what to do if an unintended pregnancy occurs, but that’s another topic)
Her failure to take meds timely may be accidental, but then it is her responsibility to inform her partner. Her failure to do so does not indicate any immaturity or stupidity on the part of the man.
Darleen: (I apologize for misspelling your name…not sure why I didn’t notice til now, deeply sorry.)
Darleen: Yea, I get it, LBascom doesn’t. And just because a woman that is supposed to be on contraceptives doesn’t tell a man, that doesn’t alleviate his responsibility! If he doesn’t want children, it is HIS responsibility to ensure it doesn’t happen. If he wants to engage in sex, fine, choices have consequences and ‘being tricked’ is just a pathetic excuse.
Damn…didn’t think that all the responsibility is the womans. But maybe I should not be. I am responsible for my actions, that I relied on others doesn’t change that. I am responsible for supervising my government, caring for those that can’t care for themselves. These responsibilities can’t be abdicated, though lots of people seek to do so. Sorry. The man is culpable for his seed as the woman is for her egg. As I am so OFTEN told, it takes A MAN AND A WOMAN to make a child. Both bear the responsibility of the act and it’s consequences.
Sdferr.
Scrolling back to take a look see.
Funny though, how a man must bear the consequences of both their irresponsibility, while the woman gets a choice. Even if he acted responsibly. Hell, sometimes when the kid isn’t even his.
Quite right how I don’t “get it”.
the wymens are a whiney bunch of wenches.
Newrouter: I am a wench and don’t you forget it…
LBascom: o poor boy….falling back on big bad laws….man up dude. She has no choice to make if he takes responsibility at the beginning…
Oh, responsibility is ‘not even his’ now….deflect much?
just because a woman that is supposed to be on contraceptives doesn’t tell a man, that doesn’t alleviate his responsibility!
Yes, it does.
mens rea
Darleen: recourse to the law is the last bastion of the scoundrel or …what was it McGehee said: “My political thought professor marked off for use of dictionary definitions. ” or legal ones?
Or maybe Ernst’s take: “Seems to me that McGehee’s “if you don’t want to be birthin’ no babies, don’t be making no two-backed beast” is a lot more realistic than “we know you can’t help but fuck like monkies, so here’s what you need to do to mitigate* the risk of pregnancy before you get you hot monkey sex on.”
Yea, if you don’t want to be birthin’ babies, you can choose to mitigate the risk, but can’t eliminate it if you abdicate the responsibility. Please, double…triple…
Or we can take Ernst’s other point: “The only safe sex is married sex. If only because there’s a presumption that marriage implies a family. Granted, that presumption isn’t as secure as it once was. ” If a man wants sex, it’s because he wants family, if he doesn’t, he can take the responsibility.
If a man and a woman are responsible for the creation of a child, they are responsible for NOT creating a child. Abdication, either in contraception or by excuses, doesn’t change that.
mens rea…
Ernst seems to suggest…sorry, not seems: “Either women are too stupid (emotional, immature, all of the above) to be entrusted with responsibility for preventing conception” so it is up to the man?
mens rea……the law. Better to call the woman a liar and a slut than take responsibility….
I’m done with this one…..those positions disgust me. See ya next time.
sometimes it’s ok just to cuddle
If a man and a woman are responsible for the creation of a child, they are responsible for NOT creating a child.
Tracy, square that with your statement that it is men and men alone who are responsible for “their seed.”
Yes, both parties need to take responsibility for the life that’s created. I would definitely change the law in one of two ways…
#1 For any child born outside of marriage, the default position is that the man has no custody rights and the woman has no right to child support.
OR
#2 for any woman outside marriage who is pregnant via consensual, legal sex … she has to have signed consent from the man for an abortion or adoption. If the man doesn’t agree to abortion, then custody mediation on who will be primary parent after child is born.
Also no man should be required to pay child support for another man’s child. Period. The Law is a total ass on that one and it acts more like a revenue stream for local government than it has anything to do with the child’s well-being
The State needs to stop encouraging single motherhood even via cuckolding.
Darleen you should be in charge
>Also no man should be required to pay child support for another man’s child. Period.<
methinks that the 13th amendment covers dat
ot darleen
Three Days of the Condor – Final Scene
if only the nyt knew
Islamic State: “You will not have safety even in your dreams, until you accept Islam”
That was one of two possible conclusions I offered. The other was “… or contraception isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.”
Clearly I should have said “contraceptives aren’t” instead of “contraception isn’t.” I regret the error.
Neither Eric Garner nor Walter Scott could be reached for comment.
“three days of the condor” has nice views of the former world trade center I & II before the nastiness of 9/11/2001