…I am not a conservative (in a sense he’s right: I’m a classical liberal, technically, or maybe even a minarchist libertarian; but the fluidity of political labels being what they are, modern day classical liberals are often called conservatives, whereas modern day, illiberal leftists have usurped the term “liberal”), but am instead, rather, a “socialist”:
@proteinwisdom I can show you are a Socialist, not a Conservative. But you have to be honest.
— Bill Waters (@BillWaters7) January 7, 2015
In addition to my being a socialist — which he says he’ll prove — I am also something of an unintelligent “chimp”:
@proteinwisdom @idaho_expatriot @TalkSouthRadio @HouseGOP @ByronYork Babble? Laughing! Physics sounds like babble 2a chimp.
— Bill Waters (@BillWaters7) January 6, 2015
So I’ve offered today to give him the comments section to make his argument — again, his assertion is that I’m a socialist and he can prove it, based on my Tweets criticizing Boehner supporters and party pom-pom wavers — after which I’ll respond.
This is an open invitation to a public debate that doesn’t constrain us each to 140 characters. And it is also a calling out of one of these sneering “realists” who think it’s the height of “grown-up” politics to support a Speaker who has spent years breaking promises and caucusing with the Dems when his own party wouldn’t go along with his feckless, ball-less strategies.
My guess last night was that his argument would hinge on calling TEA Party types “populists,” then tie “populism” (cf. Huey Long) to leftism, etc.; problem is, I’m hardly a populist, nor am I a nativist, extremist, racist, or any other -ist straw suit he’d like me to wear for what I’m certain will be his strained attempt to create some sort of risible analogy.
But maybe I’m wrong and maybe my 13+ years online fighting leftists and socialists (as well as losing-more-slowly GOP pragmatists) was just my being delusional. Maybe I really am a “Socialist” after all.
All I ask is that he show his work.
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update: Brave soul has cut and run:
@proteinwisdom Answer here. Or not. I dont do steroids, so no interest in your web site.
— Bill Waters (@BillWaters7) January 7, 2015
And no, I’m not at all surprised. He is what I thought he was: a posturing coward with a mouth bigger than his brain.
I can show you are a Socialist, not a Conservative. But you have to be honest.
Way to poison the well there Bill.
Either you can show it, or you can’t.
Who is Bill Waters, that thou art mindful of him?
(Honestly, who is this clown, and where in the name of heaven did his denigration of our host come from?)
Mr. Waters has learned there must be substance behind the Tweet. To many hide behind 140 character, evidence-free assertions. He’s obviously a poseur who didn’t expect to be given a forum to present his case. He is rightly consigned to the ash heap of wannabe intellectuals.
I can show that Barak Obama is a Kenyan born, soviet agent of influence cum manchurian candidate muslim on the down low but he’d have to be honest.
I can show Hillary Clinton is a lesbian but she’d have to be honest.
Too bad he chickened out. Because we all know how easy it is to destroy Jeff Goldstein in a debate when he doesn’t cheat.
twitter is to discourse what the catcall is to courtship
I just read some of this coward’s Twitter Timeline and, I must say, he has a screw loose [I’m not joking].
Wait, what? Steroids?
I’m certain that for his next trick, he’ll loudly proclaim that he’s far too nuanced a deep thinker to judge a book by the title…
Bob B: I think he is missing a main chassis to put a screw into, which he also lacks, as well as nuts.
Delurking briefly to say I am so sick and tired of strawman arguments and keyboard warriors. Put up or shut up. Bunch of pantywaisted idiots that would soil themselves if ever confronted in person my our host.
Jeff, keep fighting the good fight. Your efforts are NOT in vain. Do not let the “establishment” marginalize you. There are too many good people that support you. The efforts you have made from humor, to teaching language to pointing out the rank hypocrisy of those in power are making an effect.
I know it’s cliche but when you are catching AA fire it’s because you are over the target.
One last request, bring back the opossum on the half shelf. That’s what we call an armadillo in Georgia.
Squid, the steroids page is one of the hidden pages that you need the super doublesecret probation password to access.
Or is that the torture-porn page where Jeff posts all his violenty violent fantasies about the things he’d like to do to a tree?
I think he is missing a main chassis to put a screw into, which he also lacks, as well as nuts.
I’ll second that. Granted, Twitter can make anyone sound odd because brevity, but that guy’s techincal problem is between the monitor and the chair.
Also known as error code I D ten T
(works better verbally)
Well since this site is about steroids now, according to Waters the Disappointing idiot, I’d like to say that Cortizone dose packs and Prednisone drops have helped me out every now and then.
I can show you are a Socialist, not a Conservative. But you have to be eat 700 vegan tacos dressed as a rabbit in a row boat on Wednesday Feb 29th and even then I’ll need to use fluid definitions, odd inferences, put some words in your mouth, and possibly hallucinate to get the job done. But I’m quite optimistic this will work.
It is impossible for a Socialist to call himself Conservative
Is that like an axiom, a theory or some voices Bill heard in his head?
I think that’s a test. Like the one, where Jeff is made out of wood is he weighs the same as a duck.
Assertion monkey asserts. Assert, assertion monkey, assert.
The truly honest know that if you really want to make an argument here, you will be heard, but it had better be a good one. Of course, people rarely argue in good faith any more.
Now Cranky, you’re just not being honest about what goes on in this wretched hive mind of socialist scum and steroidal villainy.
You’re right. We’re all a bunch of commies.
–You’re right. We’re all a bunch of commies.
And Jeff’s Party Member # is 666.
-Channeling Barbara Walters: If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?
Me?…the Larch.
He’s still yelling “ANSWER MY HYPOTHETICAL!”
Been down that road before.
Steroids make my joints not hurt. And they also cut down on ‘chupacabras trying to hump my leg’ incidents by as much as 41%.
“-Channeling Barbara Walters: If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?”
I would be a Psi-Chi-A-Tree or a Pan Tree.
If I was an unhappy conscript crewman on a ship I’d want to be a Bear-uh-tree!
Bill Waters’s opinion has been duly noted and is being accorded all the respect it deserves.
Seriously. Every solitary quantum of due respect.
It’s all right there, behind Al Sharpton’s integrity.
bill waters’ sister
> Sally Kohn
People kill in the name of all religions—incl Islam, Christianity, Judaism. They don’t represent entire community. They are EXTREMISTS.<
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more arguing with idiots
MSNBC Guest Equates Jerry Falwell Suing Hustler to Paris Attack
klu klux kommunists too
Got Hate? Here’s the Most Fascist Piece You Will Read Today (UPDATE IV)
no you really can’t discuss reality with these ‘religious fanatics”
Vox’s Max Fisher Blames “Islamophobia” For Islamic Terrorism…
Try telling Bill it’s impossible to answer his hypothetical because he’s already implied that he couldn’t or wouldn’t trust your answer was an honest one?
Nothing like a terrorist attack to bring the useful idiots out in droves, is there?
At least not since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
You fly away now, little Starling. Fly fly fly. Fly fly fly…
Shelter From the Storm
swirling clouds
German Interior Minister: Charlie Hebdo murders have nothing to do with Islam
kinda windy
CNN Memo Instructs Employees to Not Exhibit Cartoons of “The Prophet”
In Paris and America, Freedom is Under Attack
It was so windy today in the Atlanta area the planes were landing sideways. There’s nothing more restful than looking out the window, watching the town water tower swaying in the breeze.
I hope Raul Castro will return my outdoor furniture.
when the proggtarded get mugged are their attackers victims?
Jeez, get a job. Arguing with hicks on twitter all day is not an occupation for an able-bodied fellow. Also the fact that Goldstein is rather notorious on the netz for deleting/editing comments of his enemies might be one of the reasons no one comes here to play anymore. Didn’t jeff once attempt a prank on William Yelverton in which he substituted “n**gers” in the place of “African-Americans” and then take screenshots in a hateful attempt to get him fired from the school he taught at? I seem to recall reading that somewhere but I’d be willing to hear the whole story.
Big shout-out to Darleen Click for bravely standing up to RS McCain when he slandered the awesome power of the female sex drive. U go, grrlfriend. For a guy who constantly claims to have lived the freewheeling life of a super stud, he apparently hasn’t encountered many multiple female orgasms . Darleen, do you think he confuses “women not wanting to have sex with him” for “women don’t like sex that much in general?”
>Jeez, get a job. Arguing with hicks on twitter all day is not an occupation for an able-bodied fellow.<
mostly faggots like you on the twitter no? mr. negro/spanish for black?
If you don’t want your comment deleted, don’t leave delete worthy comments
>freshovenbakedcodfish says<
chickens coming home to roost
Malia Obama pictured wearing logo of cop-hating rap group
and the nigger girls sing
>
Im screaming who want war nigga
They dont want that war
[Bridge 2: Kirk Knight]
Shit your articles of clothing was an issue
With these magazine niggas talking shit, I’ll load a full clip
Never face Defeat, but word up in the streets
We ain’t free, don’t sell me dreams
You ain’t know that talk is cheap
[Verse 2 : Dyemond Lewis]
Kirk be the nigga with problems
We gonna call Prob up, he gonna handle the problems
Vodka blocking my chakras
Bumping that Flying Lo and TOKiMONSTA
Ahh I gotcha
We superior beings, you seen how I been
Been living on clouds but this ain’t no dream
Been riding on nimbus I’m out for the spinach
My bitch didn’t like it then fuck you, good riddance
It’s hard to stay sane in a world full of sinning
But, see, all I got is my niggas
Kreeper and Slacka, you know we mean business
Fucking gods on earth build and destroy it, our will is our tu<
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/malia_obama_pictured_wearing_logo_of_cophating_rap_group.html#ixzz3OCXhvKyJ
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Big shout-out to Darleen Click for bravely standing up to RS McCain when he slandered the awesome power of the female sex drive<
hey 'science/darwin dude': the girls want to make babies?
>If you don’t want your comment deleted, don’t leave delete worthy comments<
the islam, faggot, negro, lesbian, transgendered et al alliance: Carthago delenda est
to sum: proggtardia delenda est
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You know, if I wanted to be a martyr for a cause –what with the cachet victimhood carries in all the best social circles– I might, just might, mind you, start crapping all over a third party’s blog to see if I could get myself banned, or at least edited/deleted. Then I could complain loudly about the abuse inherent to the system while wrapping myself in the fake-bloody shirt of “free expression.”
Certainly that’s better than a real bloody shirt. Do you guys have any idea what a bitch it would be, to be a martyr for a socially approved cause and not be able to enjoy your hard earned victim status, and all because some masked sonofabitch with a Kalishnikov blew your brains out all over the conference room table?
I just now started following Protein Wisdom on twitter. I noticed your excellent photograph. (While simultaneously muting Kurt Schlichter, he’s getting on my nerves.)
I say this as second eldest of five children, one time over breakfast I asserted second children are raised differently than first and Dad got mad as hell. He got so mad he couldn’t speak. It ruined the breakfast. He stomped out. He insisted we were raised exactly the same and in many ways he is right. That’s how I got to stay up late at the same time as my older brother who paved the way for a lot of things that I just fell into. But there were differences.
Later, much later, over cocktails, Dad recognized there should have been even more differences. For example he had to actually yell at Barry to get through to him and it wouldn’t bother him a bit, “It’d just roll off the boy’s back like water off a duck,” but one tiny cross word with me and, “you’d be moping around the house for two weeks.”
One Christmas at my sisters we played with her first child all afternoon. The girl was in everybody’s arms, sitting on everyone’s lap, chatting it up with everyone there, the attention poured on. Such a special creature. This went on so long I actually forgot there was a second girl asleep in another room. Odd, I had presents for both of them, but that is how quiet she was all day long. Then we sat down to dinner and the sleeping child woke up in the dark, alone and hearing voices, started crying. Mum smacked the table and said, “That kid is just like you. Cry all the time. Sleep and eat and shit and cry and that’s all she ever does.”
I took umbrage with that assessment.
I mention this as reminder and gentile suggestion. I do like your photo quite a lot. It is splendid and speaks volumes of love.
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And winning, which is the source of codpiece’s butthurt.
Got down to single digits here in subtropical west Georgia this morning.
Brasstown Bald, at 4,000-some feet up in the north GA “mountains,” got to -2.
Up here in Novanglus, we’ve got 0 degrees and a -20 to -30 wind chill factor [which is, interestingly, much better than The O’Reilly Factor].
The top of Mount Washington is colder than Antarctica [and a witch’s boob].
Here’s the “whole story”. It never happened, and this is the first I’m hearing about it.
Funny how you take your marching orders from a “right-winger” like Patrick Frey, though. Dance, troll monkey!
Look: both you and several people I’ve criticized on the right share the same agenda. To try to get rid of my voice on the web. If it happens, it’ll be my choice, not yours. I mean, seriously: do you really think I’m going to be cut to the quick by a guy calling himself “freshbakedcodfish”?
I will note, however, that your little snipe is no different from the ones I’ve been taking for years — mostly from the left, but then from people like Frey and his pals once I got them sufficiently agitated. Seems to me the smart, “progressive” move would be to point out how Frey and friends, once pressured and flustered, betray the whole “family values” / individualism spiel they pretend to stand for.
Instead, it’s me you go after. That’s flattering. Guess nobody fears predictable party voices.
“freshbakedspacetittier”, is my guess.
It’s their way, Jeff. Notice that Boehner has always been tougher on Republicans than Democrats.
freshbakedcodswallop.
Some people can’t quit me. I infuriate them to the point of obsession.
Sounds like steve, Miley, etc. He really cain’t quit you.
Who is this guy and why does he warrant a discussion thread on PW…? His Twitter reads like a rambling nutjob… Additionally, I’ve been a rambling nutjob for years and never had a PW thread of my own… I’m kind of slighted.
Brokeback Protein, eh?
Seems @BillWaters7 ran away like a scared rabbit. As did others, I checked his twitter TL and found it to be, well…an amalgamation of bullshit, the crazy ramblings of a madman.
You know I looked around and actually found the pages in question from years ago.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fU518cE_Zc4J:patterico.com/2009/12/20/protein-wisdom-alters-commenters-words-to-mock-them/+site:patterico.com+patterico+goldstein+changes+comments&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
http://loosetncanon.blogspot.com/2010/09/protein-wisdoms-jeff-goldstein-commits.html
There seems to be a lot of people at Patterico who confirm that Goldstein is in the habit of altering comments – unless this is a conspiracy and they’re all making it up of course. At any rate if I saw a Bill Walters or anyone else attempting a serious in-depth debate here, I’d drop them a line of warning. The words you type at Protein Wisdom are not always the ones that appear on screen. Jeff, I think you need to take a long look in the mirror buddy. Not abusing moderator privileges is a basic part of running a public blog. Some might go so far as to call it “unprofessional.”
You didn’t look hard enough, hotbutteredcameltoe: http://web.archive.org/web/20100103025813/https://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=3011
http://web.archive.org/web/20100103025442/https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15657
http://web.archive.org/web/20100103025813/https://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=3011
https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=21147
I announce to persistent trolls, who reach manic stage, that I’m going to start altering their comments. I do so in ways that I find humorous. I believe this is common practice at Ace’s place, too.
At any rate, this has all been gone over extensively. So you might try looking at yourself in the mirror, freshovensteameddumppile, and ask: why is it I spend my time concern trolling Jeff?
But you keep dancing for Patterico. And tell all your progressive friends that he’s one right-winger who’s A-ok by you!
I wonder what codswallop’s next “comment” will end up looking like. Jeff’s parody rewrites tend to make trolls seem more erudite and self-aware than they really are.
Which in this case could be accomplished by replacing the entire comment with repetitions of “asdf”.
Funny Codswallower…I know Jeff G. to be a fair minded person who would never alter a serious comment by anyone on HIS blog. What you do on your own blog…if you have one, is your own business, but don’t project your own failings on someone else- own up to them…take responsibility for your own stupidity. Be a man.
Also, a “public” blog is still private property. If one is told to leave and doesn’t, the owner has rights and Jeff is not afraid to exercize them.
Well that is certainly interesting. First you claim to have ‘never heard’ of Yelverton’s accusations against you, and then claim an hour later that this is old news, all been covered before, and not a big deal because everyone knows that you do it. You should have just been honest from the start.
I’m by no means saying that you shouldn’t run your personal hobby-blog any wayyou like, you have that right. But if you indulge in such practices, you essentially abrogate any right you have to complain when you “invite” Twitterers like Bill Walters over to your private playground and they politely disincline. If your front yard is filled with rusty bear traps and endless piles of dogshit, don’t be surprised when the neighbors don’t come over for tea. Also, the fact that you admit to altering comments in minor cases makes it seem much more likely that you would do it in more serious cases. I definitely sense that you and your followers yearned to see Yelverton lose his place in academia in the same manner that you did. This goes far beyond mere lighthearted fun.
According to what I’m reading here, you feel that the onus is on your opponents to not say anything that will warrant alteration. No, sir, the onus is on you to create a professionally-run forum where your opponents can reasonably expect honest and open debate. The price you would pay for that is missing the fun of playing your silly games, and it’s a price you’ve refused to pay. This is one of the many reasons why protein wisdom has dwindled in recent years instead of growing. Act like a personal hobby-blog, expect the status of a personal hobby-blog. I suppose that at one point you reckoned that cheeky comment-alterations would be accepted as part of your ‘outlaw’ mystique and be another PW staple that everyone on your side would understand and chuckle at. That proved to be a miscalculation. I think the first thing I ever heard about Jeff Goldstein was that he was “that guy who altered the comments of people who don’t agree with him.” That’s not exactly a good rep to have online.
Bill Walters called you a socialist. You’re not, so move on. Bill Walters is probably like most people here. He has to go someplace for 8 or 10 hours per day to work and make money. He might not have the entire day free to bicker in depth with every random lunk he comes across. The fact that you -do- have that much time on your hands is your problem.
Codswallop is chief of the Blog Police. When he tells you what onus is on you, why by cracky you’d better listen!
Of course, one would expect a police chief to conduct — professionally! — an investigation before pronouncing a blogger guilty of some stray accusation.
Seems this frey codpiece is suited only for easy-read, cookie-cutter blogs, where warehoused writers conform to the modest expectations of his and his brethren like-minded, circle-jerking, mundane-thinking, cookie-cutter readers.
Back to your caucus of conformity, you lowborn creepscallion.
You made my night, Serr8d – brilliant.
Of course, the interesting question is: If Jeff were stealth-modding tootightcodpiece’s comments to make him look like an idiot…
How would we tell?
The faux idiocy would almost certainly have a larger vocabulary.
Did Boehner get the message ?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150110/us–boehners_republicans-e0f5089979.html
Did Boehner get the message?
In a word: no.
A trick within a feint within a master plan, no doubt.
One needn’t evaluate any current or future Boehner legislative proposal or whatnot in order to understand that he has not understood the “message” of the conservative revolt within his party. One need only observe that Boehner has not of his own accord stepped away from the office he keeps.
Boner isn’t playing 3-D chess, he is playing checkers. Badly.