A Christian couple fined $13,000 for refusing to host a lesbian wedding on their New York farm has decided to close the venue rather than violate their religious beliefs.
Cynthia and Robert Gifford decided not to host ceremonies anymore, other than those already scheduled, Alliance Defending Freedom attorney James Trainor told The Blaze. ”Since the order essentially compelled them to do all ceremonies or none at all, they have chosen the latter in order to stay true to their religious convictions, even though it will likely hurt their business in the short run,” he said.
New Jersey couple Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin took the Giffords to court when they refused to host their 2012 wedding at Liberty Ridge Farm, where the Giffords host about a dozen weddings a year.
The Giffords were willing to host the reception, but not the actual ceremony.
Good on them.
#TraditionalMarriage
Looks kinda like Il Papa better shut his Stanley Laurel looking mouth with his blasphemies against Islam if he wants to keep breathing and riding around in his Papamobile. #missionnotyetfinished
serr8d
Not good. I believe that such businesses are actively sought out for lawsuits to get them to close down.
It’s part of the Left’s program to force Judeo-Christianity out of the public square, water down & marginalize the First Amendment and enforce their dogma as the only acceptable one.
This business is in these people’s HOME (a working farm).
>”Since the order essentially compelled them to do all ceremonies or none at all,<
there's a civil rights lawsuit here. lawfare can't be a one way war
-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;-
The incorporation of the Bill of Rights (or incorporation for short) is the process by which American courts have applied portions of the U.S. Bill of Rights to the states. Prior to 1925, the Bill of Rights was held only to apply to the federal government. Under the incorporation doctrine, most provisions of the Bill of Rights now also apply to the state and local governments.
ny constitution
>[Freedom of worship; religious liberty]
§3. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed in this state to all humankind; <
link
lol
You’re on probation, griefer. Keep that in mind.
lol is all i got on this one
is it a serious “lol” or just a pedestrian “lol”
in between I guess
so you’re a lolino
tentatively, yes
go away we need burly lol @ pw
nr, considering the rule of law is essentially dead in this country, Cynthia and Robert probably took the correct course. Cynthia and Robert appear to be true believers, and decided to “go Galt,” knowing full well that God will look after them one way or another.
Good on Cynthia and Robert.
> and decided to “go Galt,”<
i don't think surrender to the forces of tyranny are what we need now. start suing these bastards. fight back. it only gets worse with more TWANLOC
WTF happened to “we reserve the right to refuse service at any time”? And where in the Constitution is there a right to not be offended? If enough people are offended by the criteria used to refuse said service, the marketplace will settle their hash by causing them to lose business to the point of closing down. If not, then those who are offended will have to either 1) shop elsewhere, 2) do without whatever is being offered, or 3) turn down their Offendedness Detectors. Or any combination of the three that suits them.
In the sense that they didn’t fold for the gheyNazis, it’s a good thing.
Related, other Christians are arming and fighting back against the ghey ISIS thugs. Another “good on them”, and wondering how far we are from that level response?
i’d love to have a nice farm to where all kinds of people could come and make a loving commitment to each other and then have some cake
as long as it was somewhere you can’t get lyme disease or that chunky chunky disease
or ebola
I’d start with just chickens and a goat named The Great Ta
and i should very much like a hillside out back that i could climb up and up and up and look down on the little farm below
I would call it Tolerance Farm and I’d get all my groceries from Amazon Fresh so I only had to go into town on the odd occasion or for when I was craving enchiladas
>I would call it Tolerance Farm<
well isis would blow that up infidel
nonono Tolerance Farm would be a very peaceful farm
and after i nailed the whole chicken thing down i’d like to breed those shaggy Highland moo cows
god bless america hello little cow
you lolinos are so funny
I’m waiting for the first homosexual couple to demand they be married in a Mosque and then file suit when they’re refused.
I’ll bet a lot of money these wankers damn well know they’re safe picking on Christians, for now, but don’t dare get on the wrong side of Moslems.
you should make some sweet potato fries while you wait and some tapatio mayo for dipping
Blake I strongly suspect that the leftist worldview formulae for intersectionality values muslims higher than it does LGBTQ. LGBTQ is good for bashing conservatives and non-aligned christians and that’s about it. Any other target like “women” or “people of color” will likely get them a rough head rocking slap and some time in the quiet desert of shame.
palaeomerus, you just reminded that me there is proof Muslims are more protected than homosexuals. I think Darleen linked to an article about the Moslem who killed 3 homosexual men, Evidently, the murderer used some sort of same-sex hookup app to meet his victims.
If it has been a white Christian killing homosexuals, it would have been front page news for weeks. As it is, I didn’t know about it until I just happened to run across the story.
And, of course, I cannot find a link to the story.
a lot of gay people in America ARE christians – probably about half or so
whereas the number of muslims what are christian, I couldn’t even guess
it’s probably not statistically significant
but if a christian went on a killing spree targeting gay people, there’s a good chance that a lot of that’s gonna be them killing their own people
American Muslim Admits To Killing Four People To Protest U.S. Involvement In Middle East
> probably about half or so<
eff u pikachu yellow the "gays" are 3 % eff u commie losers
LGBQTWTF won’t ever get out of their Desert of Shame, not just because established religions point and frown, but even natural SCIENCE!, led by Ghod Darwin, determined them useless dead-enders, so they must force everyone else into sharing their foul desserts at Point of Law.
the “gays” are anti darwin clowns!!11!!
the “proggslams” are anti darwin clowns too
no Mr. newrouter what I mean to say is that about half of gay people are religious in America and not sure but the bulk of those are most likely Christians
the number would be higher but a lot of them don’t feel welcome in church, which I’d bet is a lot cause of people like these farm people in the story
and that’s the work of the devil right there
here is some data on gay people and religion
serr8d, I used a variation on that argument with my daughter. I asked her point blank how homosexuality promoted the survival of the species.
To my daughter’s credit, she promptly replied it doesn’t. And the discussion ended at that point.
a lot of them don’t feel welcome in church
griefer, even the Catholic church welcomes gays — we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
But just like Jesus said to the adulterous woman, “Go forth and sin no more.”
Identity isn’t a sin, behavior is. These farmers didn’t bar any gay folk from their farm, they even had no objection to hosting the reception.
They just drew the line at participating in, and lending their support of, an activity that condoned sin.
I would support any wedding venue from not allowing members of the Church of Christian Identity or Westboro Church using their facility.
I believe in the First Amendment. But the Constitution is over 100 years old so it doesn’t count any more to the hipsters and gay mafia.
it’s in the study i linked
all i know is it wasn’t cause of me I’m always really nice
say they have been made to feel unwelcome
And as everyone knows, what a person subjectively FEELs is proof positive such an activity took place.
Some Ferguson looters said they did it because they feel they were owed due to white man oppression, disrespect and no jobs.
Well, I guess that proves White Man caused the looting in Ferguson.
well we have a post right here where christians told these people they weren’t welcome to get married at their farm
hence the two lesbian people were made to feel unwelcome i guess
i’m sorry for them how they were treated like that but all i can do is try and treat lesbians nice
i can’t make up for other people
brb I’m a get caught up with Leftovers
So griefer, I guess then you support The State forcing churches/temples/mosques to officiate same sex weddings?
no
but people should be more nicer it’s like you said
we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God
and all those people our farm people think are so special that they let them get married right there on the farm
they’re all sinners too, same same as lesbians and gay people and benedict cumberbatch, whatever he is
sinner sinners sinners so there’s no logical reason for to exclude anybody
just bigotry just prejudice just stupidity
people should be more nicer what can i tell you
it’s a fallen whirl
I would have urged the Giffords to keep on holding real weddings at their farm.
But, they should claim the happy couples are their friends and they are letting them use their site as friends.
If, by some luck, some cash were to be left on the Gifford’s table and not be claimed…well, hey, God works in mysterious ways.
OUTLAW.
it says they only did like a dozen a year anyways
they were dabblers
So much sandy Belial now, and so little rock left. The erosion is almost total. How shall we ever build again? Must we trade houses for boats that go nowhere but at least won’t sink and subside?
They didn’t exclude anybody. They declined to host a particular ceremony. RTFA, griefer.
If sin were about logic, there would be more logic.
there’s no logical reason for to exclude anybody
Many government facilities exclude religious expression and activities.
“Regular as habit, the cocks begin to crow.
Can the old buck rabbit, sing ‘Stuff it up your jumper.’
Vo-do-de-oh.”
Vo-do-de-oops.
serr8d, I used a variation on that argument with my daughter. I asked her point blank how homosexuality promoted the survival of the species. To my daughter’s credit, she promptly replied it doesn’t. And the discussion ended at that point.
A homosexual uncle can provide resources and assistance without producing more mouths to consume.
Provide resources, eh? As long as these resources can arrive post paid.
…nor hands to help out, nor progeny to perpetuate whatever traits might be beneficial to the species.
Natural selection doesn’t care about “providing resources,” it cares about genes.
It’s simply incorrect to assume homosexuals don’t have offspring, since many do. And yet this fact has what to do with what?
For a case actual sterility, this line of polemic makes a shining example.
[…] Darleen Click of Protein Wisdom noted that the left have accomplished their mission: rather than compromise their religious values, the […]
“the number would be higher but a lot of them don’t feel welcome in church, which I’d bet is a lot cause of people like these farm people in the story”
You are for sure a dumb ass. Let me direct you again to the last quote of the post:
You honestly believe people in a Christian church should be sued if they don’t condone the sin of homosexuality? How about hetro’s “living in sin”? Should Christians be sued for using that term, or not celebrating their “love”?
If you don’t want to follow the teachings of Jesus then go to a pagan for a blessing. otherwise, you’re just being an asshole, which you are.
i never said anyone should be sued
i said that these people need to be nice and act like civilized members of their community not some weird hate cult
If you’re talking about the lesbo hate cult driving Christians out of business, I’d agree. But you are not.
“Cuz you are a weird little person.
why you gotta get all personal and shit it’s a fuckin holiday
You basically told me I’m a member of a hate cult (because I agree with the people in question about condoning what is clearly a sin to Christians), and you act offended at being called a weird asshole? Huh. Maybe you wouldn’t be so sensitive if you didn’t have so much penis stuffed up you.
now you hurt my feelings to where I feel sad
>i said that these people need to be nice and act like civilized members of their community not some weird hate cult<
yes gaysters like isis. tribal aholes the lot. oh dear i offended you . stfu.
OT and I know nobody else here cares about Mississippi State football, but dayum!
worst. labor day weekend. ever.
Worse more so for Michael Sam, “FIRST OPENLY GAY NFL PLAYER!!!! 11!1ELEVENTY!!1” to ever be cut.
Ram it, Michael Sam!
he had a good run he got his name out there
he’ll do fine
he should do some reality tv while he studies for a real estate license
… path of least resistance and etc
oopsy=daisy
Mitch McConnell’s pillsbury dough campaign manager
is sleazy…
you know –
like a whore
A bad night to be from Hattiesburg.
oh well that’s a big 180
How To Go #OUTLAW – Lesson I
-This short report* from The Daily Caller, Rachel Stoltzfoos reporting, is worth quoting in full [tip of the fedora to Darleen ‘Boudica’ Click]: A Christian couple fined $13,000 for refusing to host a lesbian wedding on their New York farm has decide…
Come to think of it, is there ever a good night to be from Hattiesburg? USM’s record last season, apparently, was 1-11.
At least they’re consistent.
It’s a sacrament now and you’ll worship it or else.
Major League Butt Hurt!
Ben Dreyfuss, presiding.
Hey, Ben, leftists, understand this:
The NFL is about blood, sweat & tears.
NOT about blood, semem & feces.
Got it?
#Caring
The issue here isn’t tolerance or even acceptance. It’s validation.
More specifically, its about expecting that others validate your “lifestyle choices” irrespective of their own beliefs, because egalitarianism demands it.
That is all.
when you get validated a lot of times the valet is free but you still have to tip a few bucks
There is a great horned owl hooting in the woods near my house.
Fascinating. Someone should splatter this topside..
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/08/ideologies2.png
“Political Ideologies of Churches and Religions in America”
Sorry. Forgot to link the post. Red-meat chart makes it an afterthought.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-31/intersection-church-and-state-one-chart-and-44-bubbles
the argentine bishop of rome ain’t catholic. socialist stooge yes. that chart is funny what with those “die hard catholics” like pelosi and kerry leading from behind. what fun