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If only the poor stupid bastards/baby killers hadn’t been tricked into service by the Bushitler. Maybe now they will understand the evils of their ways. ALLAH HAS SPOKEN THOUGH THE NEW JIHADI KATRINA!
Ok Jeff, call me a troll, but call me. (Haven’t been able to get into my own friggin’ blog for days, thanks to my lame host, but anyway.) I link to you because I love you in some demented way, so please don’t kick me out right away. And when you kick me out, please send me along with a few bucks in my pocket or something, ok? (Already have 3 git-tars, and wouldn’t let Bush touch ‘em, but anyway.) Think fo me a “guest blogger” or “guest annoying bitch” or whatever.
Have so, so wanted to ‘blog’ Katrina and its aftermath and undermath (new word) which is a word for what is beginning to come out of the mouths of Dems and Reps alike: i.e., this 5-6 days-long suffering is ridiculous, and folks who stand up and say so don’t always say it with great grammar or appropriate metaphors, but hell, can’t you just drop your cynicism for a few days, and say that the suffering of folks down there is just that – suffering. And that those of us, wherever we are, are watching this and giving money and/or blood are doing ‘the best we can’ in the wake of a clearly fucked up governmental response?
Okay, I admit it. You’re doing your best to score political points. Happy now? Don’t get me wrong, I commmend you for any money you have given and any work you have done for the surviviors, that is truly a noble thing. The point scoring? Not so much. So, while I’m proud of you and greatful to you for one. I’m not so proud of you or greatful to you for the other.
Sure, Peggy.
Try here. And here. And here. And of course, my disgust with the hyperbolic coverage, which you can find here and, in an amusing series, here.
There’s more, but those ought to keep you busy for a while.
For the record, I think I’ve been pretty good about trying to keep perspective and keep this non-politicized. But I’ve also fought back a bit against those who wish to see it politicized, which I suppose is political on my part, though I feel more like I’m countering disingenuousness.
Thanks for sort of patting me on the head, Jeff, but then again, it’s sort of creepy when all you do is basically reference yourself over and over, to prove some sort of point, instead of just posting some new thoughts about the aftermath of Katrina and/or the various governmental responses.
All I think I tried to say is that what many others (both left and right) are saying – this was fucked up, and we should and will do better.
So where’s the argument, and I ask you (and my ‘leftie’ friends) can’t we just drop our cynicism for awhile? Would it hurt that badly?
turing word: water
oh my.
Hey Jeff, everybody around the country is taking in refugees from Katrina. Why don’t we just go ahead and take in peggy…you know, sort of adopt her?
Although she says she is a troll, she seems like a mild mannered troll, or should I say just mannered troll. Maybe we could even change her point of view a little.
Think about it Jeff; we could make a difference – we could actually……convert one.
Hey Jeff, don’t you think you owe it to the people who’ve been displaced and tormented by this storm to write a NEW post about Jeff Gannon and his, well, you know? I mean, sure, I could just read what you’ve already written, but since I want more, it seems like you owe it to me.
From Peggy’s demeanor I suspect that parts of the left have discovered just how far over the shark they have leapt. Attempting to back track now, eh Peg?
No, corvan. C’mon, say something original and/or thought-provoking, ok?
Why is it always like this anymore; people trying (with varying brain power) to out-snark one another?)
Whatever happened to independent thought?
pssssst, peggy, if you clicked on the links, you’d find all the outside sources that jeff has already referenced. why should he rehash a point he’s already made, and apparently you’re too lazy to read?
Do me now, peggy, do me! What should I say? How may I fulfill your commenting needs?
Okay, Peggy you’ve asked everyone to stow the cynicism and earnestly chat.
Does that mean that you think Rober F. Kennedy’s comments regarding the administration were cynical?
Does that mean you think Jesse Jackson’s slave ship imagery was cheap and cynical?
Doea that mean you think asserting that George Bush doesn’t care about people of color is cynical?
What about Oliver Willis’s assertion that the administration is basically killing poor people so that it can give more money to Paris Hilton. Do you think that was cynical?
Or was all that stuff just thought provoking?
I think Peggy wants a brief concise answer. I will give her one.
How could this happen? Well, it was the worst natural disaster in our country’s history, that’s how.
Why did it take so long to get help? One reason is the flood that occurred after the hurricane that blocked all access. But it is becoming clear to all those who understand the protocol of the government’s chain of responsibility, that the local govt and state govt screwed up monumentaly. It seems to me that the federal govt reacted as soon as it became apparent that the local and state govt were not doing it’s job.
There is no doubt we will learn from this. If only those on the left would learn not to try make political points out of a tragedy only to find out that those truly responsible were the govt. officials of their own party.
Peggy —
You are a nice person who’s commented here before, so I’m going to forgive you for that crack about my “referencing myself” and it being “creepy.” Instead, I’m going to explain it to you this way: I’ve spent every waking hour of the last week, it seems, writing about and thinking about this disaster; I’ve spent countless hours combatting ignorance and vitriol disguised as a critique of the Administration and arguing that we’re dealing with a catastrophe of unprecedented scope and complexity; I’ve spent a lot of time lampooning the overwrought—and, to my mind, dangerously sensationalistic—garbage that our media has been trying to pass off as journalism, which is only serving to politicize and racialize a natural disaster, and before even the dead are collected and identified.
And frankly, I’m tired.
It’s the weekend. I’m watching a baseball game and eating ice cream.
You want something new, write it yourself. I “reference” myself only to show you that your characterization of what I’ve been doing (“cynical”?) as pertains to Katrina “coverage” is silly and a bit insulting.
Sorry, had to take my dogs outside to poop. Ok, so where were we? Now it’s somehow wrong for me to ask us all, right and left, to drop our cynicism? (Major doggie treats, for any enlightened brains, left or right-oriented, who respond with real, original thoughts.)
No treats, and in fact, I hope you can smell my doggies’ poop from there, if you just want to be a clever, but vapid responder.
Why don’t you and your doggies answer my questions?
Jeff,
Thanks for your response and I get it, and thanks for not booting me out. But you’re sort of running away from my first post, which referenced your (to me) cynical post “More proof that a racist President doesn’t care about the suffering of Americans.”
I fully know that people on ‘my side’ of the aisle blog the same kind of provocative crap, all I’m trying to say (and maybe forge here, with your readers) is some sort of cease-and-desist, as regards partisan crap. Think it’s possible? I hope so.
We’re not dumb. We’re all just real tired of the same old same old, eh?
Peggy, you still haven’t answered my questions.
ABC news reporting that CJ William Rehnquist is dead.
hmm…seems pretty quiet here. (an obvious good thing for Jeff’s bandwith, and thank you again, Jeff. My favorite ice cream is butter pecan, so there you have it – I’m a pinko Democrat (in some of your readers’ minds).
To someone else who said I am apparently too lazy to read your archives, well, I’m not. I’m too busy reading the NYT archives of 9/11, thanks.
So, again, call me stupid, but call me. Can we, as ‘citizen journalists’ and all the rest of us who have opinions as big and shiny as our assholes please find some way to learn a lesson or two from Katrina, get off our asses and do things, make changes, yell at our elected officials who are supposed to be taking care of us in times of emergency, etc.? This is NOT partisan stuff, it is HUMAN BEING stuff.
Again, thanks and sorry Jeff, if you think I’ve misread you. It just seems that brighter minds shouldn’t be publishing flippant things. If you’ve published thoughtful, sensitive things, they are probably trumped by reckless, meaningless ones: https://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/18951/
Can I take it back, Jeff? I don’t want to adopt peggy, after all. I don’t think she has been house trained or declawed.
tw: per, only one pet per blog.
oh, you’re just being mean rls. she’s trying so hard to be cute and you don’t appreciate it.
corvan, hey, I’m 52 years old, so when you typed
“Does that mean that you think Rober F. Kennedy’s comments regarding the administration were cynical?” I wasn’t sure what was what, you know? I was like, 15, when Robert F. Kennedy actually like, died – you dig?
So ask me questions if you want, but please stop being so ignorant. And again, may I say – Katrina should NOT be a political thing, which is I’m now understanding is Jeff’s proffessed point. So, I agree with that, and we should all give money and/or blood and shut the fuck up, right? And none of the aftermath is food for snarky/imbecilic rhetoric, right?
Peggy. You’re a drag and you sound like you’ve been smoking something. Want repartee? Get to the party earlier. Adios.
I guess I need to speak v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y for you, Peggy. Try really hard to understand this. If you want all this to stop, try talking to your friends. Posts like this one, whether they’re from Jeff or any other American whose mind isn’t permanently and fatally twisted by insane hatred, are a response to the disgusting slag heap of deranged vitriol coming from the Loony Left, which is pretty much all of it these days.
Frankly, Jeff has more self-control than I would have in dealing with people like you. As far as I’m concerned, you can SHUT THE FUCK UP and go back to your psychotic friends.
GO AWAY.
You still didn’t bother to answer the questions did you?
um, yeah, peggy, if you’d read this post that jeff linked to in an earlier response to you you’d know what corvan was talking about.
At the risk of being snarky and cynical, just how are we supposed to both “shut the fuck up” AND “yell at our elected officials”?
Whoa Craig, guess I’ll just fold some laundry and shut up now. Gee, I sure am in my place.
This is so weird, but someone upthread accused me of not reading every single link Jeff gave, and I said why I didn’t, and Jeff wrote back saying I was still sort of clueless or something, and I even tried to “share” about ice cream and stuff, and still I just get sophmoric, snarky stuff, when I pretty much asked whether we all left and right, can’t rise above that, for a change. Guess not.
BTW, I have friend and family who are a
Democrats and Republicans, and I ‘get’ their opinions/concerns. I don’t live in a fishbowl. Do some of you? Sure hope not.
Okay Peggy, I should have written Robert Kennedy, Jr. That’s who I was talking about. Now will you answer the questions? Please?
Um, no, that isn’t what happened at all, peggy.
You came here, declared yourself a guest blogger and proceeded to tell the host what he should write. When he replied that he’d written about just what you wished he had, you said you didn’t have time to read it and told him, again, what to write.
In between this, and posting about your dog’s excretory habits, you’ve demanded that the rest of us put politics aside, which you seem to define as blaming political figures for their failure to do magic. You, helpfully, linked to the post that we are all reading, right now. You also dismissed every other post as cynical and snarky.
Right? Maybe I’m too stupid/unoriginal, but I think that covers your run here, this evening, in toto.
maggie, thank you so much for your friendly dialogue here on Jeff’s pages.
I did follow the link to RFK junior’s comments (whithin Jeff site again, and hey, who has some deordorant, it’s getting a little *close* in here, ok) – but back to RFK jr’s comments, Hello-so what? – I get what he says, but to reference his remarks, as if they represent ANYONE’S PERSONAL HEART AND/OR POLITITCS serves nothing. We on the Left have jerks. People on the right have jerks. Kumbaya, baby. Gimme a break, ok? And again, can we come together? What’s so hard about that? Is snarking one another too much fun?
Peggy are you saying that Robert Kennedy, Junior, Jesse Jackson and Oliver Willis are jerks? Or are you just avoiding the questions?
bokonon42- seems like you’ve pretty much expressed others’ desire that I just go away. At least you do it with thought and no vulgarity.
I’m not sure why I should go away from this post, but probably will. Another poster said I seemed contradictory with my sort of ‘shouldn’t we all shut the fuck up’ but also ‘yell’ at our local government people. I didn’t mean to sound contradictory, bur probably did. Stuff happens.
What I don’t get, and Jeff will only put up with this for so long and I ‘get’ that too, is why we are all so ready to be so verbally mean. Wow, ain’t we Great?! Wowee zowie, we’re so clever.
Again, c’mon people…not everything’s political, right?
I absolutely did not express any desire that you go away. This is not my blog, I post here, as you do, at the pleasure of our host. I was objecting to your claiming victim status.
Pretty please, with sugar and a cherry on top, will you answer my questions. Was that nice enough? TW-come, as in come on Peggy answer the questions.
corvan, I don’t really give a shit who is saying or declaring what. I care about (and respect) the folks are who actually on the ground, getting it done for these desperate folks, and I bet that’s basically what you care about, too.
Sorry, Peggy, that’s an effort to change the subject. Not an answer to the questions. Will you answer the questions? Will you? Please?
At this point (and at Jeff’s gracious permission, as we have said) -um, like, I don’t get you people who seem to want to make this about me, and not about Katrina victims. If I’ve misunderstood Jeff’s previous postings about Katrina victims, ok, I’ll go back and read them again.
I have to… just have to… however (and please Jeff, let me, and then I’ll go away) say to whoever upthread said that I’d sort of appointed myself “guest blogger.” You igmo, I didn’t do any such thing. If you read my first comment, I was all but begging Jeff to bear with me, and he did.
Anyway, thanks again Jeff, and I hope you get some more creative commenters here. You sure deserve it, with the quality of your writint. (That was NOT sarcastic.) I know I came in like a lion, but I go out like one too, unless any of your readers care to give up their partisan bullshit.
I’ll keep on reading your thoughts, but maybe won’t venture into the comment section, if all it is is well, this.
Peggy, let me be the first to say …
HUH?
Turing word: “meaning” … why, of course.
Whoa (I work with horses, so that sort of pops out) bokonon42- I don’t claim any sort of “victim status” at all, so please re-read my blowhard stuff, but I sure never claimed that status, and don’t claim that status. Be mad at me, but don’t falsely characterize what I wrote, ok?
I’m not at all mad; I’m not even angry with you.
Fine, you don’t claim to be a victim. I misinterpreted all the, ‘I don’t know why everybody’s being so mean to me, all I ever did was share my favorite ice cream flavor,’ stuff. I also misinterpreted the line: “think of me as a guest blogger,” to mean that you were proclaiming yourself a guest blogger.
Nevermind, shut up and go the hell to bed.
~ moveablebeast ~
I’d just like to chime in and say that Peggy is being a tad insufferable. Debating her with a constructive endgame in mind is like a dog chasing its tail. That being said, I’ll chase my tail a bit to illustrate why:
To answer her point: yes it would be nice if we could all drop the partisan shenanigans and focus on what needs to be done, but if one side of the aisle lets political discourse run wild without challenging it, then the debate is largely framed by the more aggressive side.
Thus, while I haven’t said much about the politics on my blog, for example, I’m glad that Jeff is doing the yeoman’s work of laying out the logical, aggressive case against the worst the political left has to offer after this tragedy. Political expression and conflict are inevitable, and clucking your tongue against them can only be done so many times – for a very limited period of time after a disaster – before getting unrealistically sanctimonious. Politics just are.
Tut-tutting against this reality alone is only somewhat “insufferable,” as I can appreciate Peggy’s well-meaning intent and agree with it to some extent. What’s REALLY frustrating is the selective argumentation: from cherrypicking this specific one-line, sarcastic post as a general example of Jeff’s recent efforts, to her refusal to directly answer Corvan’s illustrative questions (are the lefty examples jerks or not, Peggy? Apathy is no answer, especially when you cared enough to criticize a righty blogger), to this obnoxious gem:
1. Why did Jeff “creep(il)y … reference (himself) over and over(?)”
Because you attacked HIS efforts. Thus, to rebut your charge against HIM, he had to reference what HE HIMSELF had done. What’s creepy is the level of batshit dissonance it takes to pick up the rhetorical goalposts like that and set them down to position yourself for the odd personal attack. Creepy.
2. The implication that Goldstein has not “post(ed) some new thoughts about the aftermath of Katrina and/or the various governmental responses,” upon contextual examination of the last week’s posts, is a load of poo. Dirty, dirty poo-poo that smells bad enough to devalue Peggy’s overarching point, which wouldn’t be an intractable one if she expressed it with more skill, logical premises and personal restraint.
Now if you’ll excuse me, all this running around in circles has me dizzy.
Bill, I honestly thought Jeff would have kicked me (and all the wrath I’ve spawned) by now. So I was reading and writing other stuff to other people, but maybe you can address whatever it is that I have said/not said on Jeff’s pages that makes me seem like an ‘enemy’ or something. I truly don’t get it, and frankly, like Jeff, I’m a bit tired of this particular point in time.
Yes, I criticized Jeff for what I thought was a flippant post about Katrina. Meantime, he and his readers have made me aware of his broader recent thoughts (and better posts) on the catastrophe. Great. Cool. Fine.
For anyone who has the ability and brain to rise above the quick click of a reply button, as they sweat and slobber to type out the talking points of their “side” (as if America should be like that, but it is, alas and amen) it’ll be great to engage in REAL discussion, with folks like you, eh?
What Bill said.
And I would also add, that the whole debate-cum-shitflinging campaign over ‘looting’ and the meaning thereof is not a matter of Monday-morning quarterbacking long after all preventative measures could be taken but before the bodies have been buried and a suitable respectful period of mourning has been observed. It is, instead, a debate over a measure which may or may not still be taken. People on both sides of the issue believe that lives might be saved, depending upon how the government chooses to act or not to act. Therefore, ruling it out as a subject for debate on grounds of decorum is pretty silly.
Could the debate be carried out :without: accusations of racism flying around? Well, that would have been nice; unfortunately, it hasn’t happened that way–and now you really cannot expect that anyone who has been (not just in the fever swamps but loudly, conspicuously, publicly, on national television) plastered with one of the most toxic smears possible in our culture will NOT respond with righteous indignation, anger, and–yes–snark.
You’re just wasting your time, Bill. She’s got hold of a theme and you’re not going to get her to shake it. Think she scanned even one out of five words in your comment? Nah.
Were those all the ‘talking points’ of my ‘side’, now? I can never remember.
But nonetheless I’m also off to bed now–just after I mop the sweat from my brow and the slobber from my lips.
Spamword–morning–and, so it is!
a p.s.
people are still dying, as we speak, even though extra, heroic people are finally there, to move/rescue/search for more of our fellow citizens.
The suffering of Katrina victims IS political, in my opinion, but even though I believe that, I also don’t believe that my OPINION or anyone else’s really means a rat’s ass, right now because we blabberheads should shut up and take the opportunity to not promote our various blog, but maybe also shut up and and help one another raise money for our fellow Americnas.
Guess my underlying feeling got lost, for some of you, and for those of you who think you got my underlyiing meaning, and could only offer weird and/or offensive and stupid snark, well, have a nice day, Life, Check book, PTA meeting, Rush Limbaugh program, CNN’s Daryn Kagen clueless but cosmetically fabulous coverage, etc.
I’m pretty sure there’s love in the room, but like Jeff, I just want me some ice cream, so good night, you crabbypants people. Can’t use it. I’ll rag with you tomorrow (if Jeff lets us, that is). Meantime, take your vitamins, or ELSE.
Again,I’m not sure why my thoughts are so egregious to some (but then, they’re usually the ones who didn’ read this entire thread) so-o-o-I bid the all farewell for tonight – it’s after 2 a.m., and, well, heck, this is nuts, and I’ll revisit you fine folks (if Jeff lets us) tomorrow. Or never. Who knows.
Try butter pecan – it’s really, really, good.
You know, Jeff, it’s almost as if she wants you to ban her. Has anyone else brought up banning peggy besides peggy?
peggy, really, the most tiresome thing about you isn’t your points or your politics or even your dogged insistence that Jeff write what you think he should write; what’s tiresome is your repeated insinuations that Jeff may cut you off because…well, that part’s never been clear. If you think people routinely get banned for disagreeing with our host, you just haven’t bothered to read comments. At all.
Not to mention the pervasive smell of burning martyr. . .
You really can’t figure out how that might rankle?
Really?
The thing is, you made an accusation, had it refuted for you by the host (in the middle of one of the few games his team has won this season), and then (instead of apologizing and retracting it) called the post (which you’ve spent five hours commenting on) flippant, reckless, and meaningless. You said that this post trumps all his previous thoughts on the topic.
Additionally, you’ve called every commenter who tried to engage you (snidely or gently) cynical, unoriginal, and too stupid to unearth your “underlyiing meaning”, what ever that might mean. You’re non-responsive, you’re beligerant, and you seem to have dire short-term memory problems.
And besides, everybody knows Rum Raisin is the best ice cream.
yeah, not sure how i misunderstood this:
tw:suddenly, it all makes sense.
oh, and Jeff’s a GIVER. i can’t recall anyone that’s been banned. ghandi came close, but no gefilte fish.
Jeff,
I want to apologize for the wiseguy tone I took last night. It was the butter pecan talkin’ – so thanks for not booting me out. I read and link to your blog because you’re a talented writer, and because I can count on my perceptions of you folks on the other side of the aisle to be challenged with humor and true style.
It’s probably too soon to know all the parties responsible for the ridiculously inadequate response to Katrina, but like you (I think), I want their heads! (Metaphorically, that is.) And I share your disgust with ‘what passes for journalism’ these days.
Anyway, I am sorry for the snotty stuff I said to you. I’m not sorry for the snotty stuff I said to some of your readers, but hey, am not gonna press my luck. Will go back to quietly lurking and reading now.
Ok, I have to ask: does this part make sense to anyone here?
Nope.
Maybe someone should introduce Peggy to Ken – there’s a kind of karmic rightness to it, somehow.
Notice me! NOTICE MEEEEE!