Sure, some of this was “not as clear as it could have been.” So what? Remember, the ends justify the means, because the ends are reached on a rose petal-covered road of compassion and caring.
But stop your fretting: if you lose your coverage, that’s a good thing. Because then Obama will make sure you get better coverage, cheaper. Through subsidies. Taken from taxes, or from fake money issued through QE. Or, if you prefer, in order to prevent the scourge of genetically-blessed “free riders” and their dastardly ability to avoid paying too much into the system (by, say, avoiding sickness or disease), Obama and his progressive minions will pay for your comprehensive health care plan if you can’t afford to do so yourself. Unless you make enough money where you can afford to do so — in which case you’ll pay infinitely more, lose your choice, potentially lose your doctor, and lose your disposable income.
All of which is, in the end, a move toward social justice. And if Obama had to accidentally misspeak several score times to convince you of this, well, than that’s a misspokenness worth mispeaking for. For the volk!
(via Washingon Free Beacon, h/t Mark Levin)
It couldn’t have been any clearer. Thing was it was a pack of lies.
That, too, couldn’t have been any clearer — to anyone who had ever been paying attention.
– So the first consequence of all the new free-loaders added to Medicare rears its ugly head, and there will be many more just like it. By this time next week it won’t be 39 Dems screaming and running in circles in all out panic, that number will seem small.
– But hey, Chocolate jesus can just make it all go away by commanding the waters to part and the Doctors to get their asses back on the job with no pay. Just like that. Ingrates!
– San Fran Nan is going to need several clean changes of depends and lots of knee pads scattered on her office floor so she can drop and suck at a moments notice.
– I am going to sooooo enjoy watching Bumblefuck and his army of braindead freeloaders take it in the poop chute for the next three years.
A new excuse is trotted out. One that flatters the boss and so just might be the one pushed by all the lackeys.
However there does not seem a lot of difference between the [ig]Noble Lie and the Effectual Truth and other than the rabid base I don’t see it helping him at all.
Michael Cohen, NYDN: *** It is the most far-reaching piece of social policy since the Great Society, and yet, most Americans are largely unaffected by it. ***
Now there’s a nice lie wrapped up in a tidy bow-ribbon.
No. All Americans are entirely affected by it, because it utterly changes the terms of every American’s relation to his government, completely upending their former relation: the government is now his master (and not he its), and he its slave, to be commanded to purchase whatever product his government would command him to purchase, whether he would want that product or not.
I think he has a lie in every phrase of the piece.
It is only by the delay of the “employer mandate” and the exemptions granted to certain parties such as the Unions that the lie of “keeping your health care plan” hasn’t spread to over 90% of those who had coverage before the ACA monstrosity was passed. Already for many the “30 hour” and the “less than 50 employee” rules are destroying their coverage, work and their lives.
– I think we are only a few more stupid Bumblefuck mistakes away from all out civil war.
. . . the delay of the “employer mandate” . . .
Ah yes, another in the long line of manifestly unconstitutional acts of high crime and misdemeanors committed against the Americans and their Republic. But whatever we do, we mustn’t write our representatives to demand that the miscreant be removed from office by impeachment as prescribed by the Constitution itself. We wouldn’t want to fall back into old and outmoded habits.
if you like your doctor ….
UnitedHealth drops thousands of doctors from insurance plans
oh noes
Pizza and Beer Pongs: U. Miami Students Have “Drop out of Obamacare” Party
And so the notice I received from my primary care provider that they were dropping their participation in all Medicare Advantage plans is explained. Why does this administration hate, hate, hate, any healthcare plan that isn’t totally a government plan?
Obamacare Is the Vasa of Our Times
– nr, thats about the umpteenthth time you’ve reposted links I’ve supplied. Although I really don’t care that you do it whats the point?
– I suspect you don’t check the links others post here, which is sort of weird and a waste of time, but whatever.
– Yes siree geoffb, the Medicare thing is turning out to be another ongoing mess. Hard to tell at this pont, but it appears that a large part of the limited number of people that have “applied” are actually just adding to the Medicare rolls, which is a problem in itself, but even more to the point could have been done for a hell of a lot less than 625 million+. This insane law is going to go down in history as the biggest fuckup in American political history.
Let’s not confuse Medicare and Medicaid. Two different programs. Medicare is being gutted to finance Obamacare. Medicaid is being expanded.
– Stand corrected, meant Medicaid.
– But as you say, Medicare was raided to provide OCare funding and adding to the Medicaid rolls means that both actions are effectively increasing entitlements, because you can bet you ass the funds taken from Medicare will have to be replaced with even greater funding later on to cover costs.
“American citizens are essentially being forced to pay for the health care costs of people who are here illegally every day, until we pass comprehensive immigration reform,” he said. “We’re wondering why rates are going up. … It’s no surprise. When somebody doesn’t have insurance, their costs are shifted onto other people that do.”
– So Rep. Polis, and most of his braindead fellow Dems think that the answer is to give citizenship to millions of illegals.??????
– I guess its ok if “American citizens are essentially being forced to pay for the health care costs of people as long as they’re citizens”. These people are simply fucked in the head. (Well actually the reason they are trying so hard for this is the votes they’ll get from free handouts and unfettered illegal amnesty. The way all Democrats get elected these days.)
– If this insanity persists for much longer I don’t see how civil war is avoidable.
Somewhere I heard yesterday that the subsidies don’t make the plans cheaper after all.
They can bleat all they want about “only a few people affected” but that’s because Teh Emperor delayed the employer-based mandates.
That’s the bigger shoe to drop unless the FULL REPEAL crowd pulls it off.
Obamacare Is the Vasa of Our Times
Am I the only one who didn’t know about the Vasa? Is that common knowledge among those with a slightly better background in history than mine? Or do you have to specialize in Swedish History for that one?
– So Rep. Polis, and most of his braindead fellow Dems think that the answer is to give citizenship to millions of illegals.??????
That’s not the solution to the healthcare debacle, silly. That’s the solution to Dems Not Holding Power In Perpetuity.
As if they had any other goal in their satchel.
– di, subsidies lose their appeal when deductables rise by x10. Its just another shell game.
– No matter how fast they lie the additional costs of free loaders will have to be paid, one way or another, by those that actually pay into the system. Adding ~40 million illegals and their dependents will make it look better for OCare but will exacerbate the costs problem even more.
– If the Dumb assed Dems think there will be no lashback if they try to force a huge increase of welfare recipients on the country at a time when ~97 million Americans are already out of work they’re simply insane.
“That’s the bigger shoe to drop unless the FULL REPEAL crowd pulls it off.”
The biggest shoe, certainly. There’s also a bigger intermediate shoe between now and then, when people find out he was also lying about the “you can keep your doctor” part.
I knew about the Vasa only because I’d been reading Eric Flint’s Assisti Shards series and looked further in to Swedish history. I don’t remember it being covered in any formal course.
if you like your marriage …
Obamacare’s Hidden ‘Marriage Penalty’
wonder what will be the O!care tipping point?
I’m glad we already have a pitchfork.
No offense to Squid and his fine products.
– I don’t want to jump the gun here but it would be soooo poetic justice if this entire OCare mess completeky blows up in the Proggies faces and burries them for the next 50 years.
– So far its looking that way. The more Bumblefuck tries to tweak the more his O’Care tar baby is going to wobble and shake and get unstable until it finally explodes.
– I mean, even now who the hell would be nuts enough to actually try to activate an O’Care based policy and pay a premium when the whole basis could change in the next hour, and you might as well be burning your money on the front porch.
wonder what will be the O!care tipping point?
– Pablo says we’re already there and I agree.
even now who the hell would be nuts enough to actually try to activate an O’Care based policy and pay a premium when the whole basis could change in the next hour . . .
steve would. Other than that? I got no one.
Even if the basis were stable, the website is so insecure your personal medical information could be for sale on some pirate auction site in the time it takes from clicking “Submit” to the landing page loading completely.
Though, granted, we are talking an interval of four to six weeks…
“steve would”
Well, Slaphead said he was going to do it, but oddly doesn’t seem to have gotten around to it yet.
EDITORIAL: Obamacare woes beg for repeal
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
I’m taking his as a troll of his word, Spies.
It’s up to him to prove to us once and for all that he is either a lying liar what lies or a show us proof! that he saved major bank on Ocare.
He and the Wan, both painted into a corner by their own bullshit.
Posting here because I can’t get my ancient Blogspot account to respond.
Jonah said, in his e-mail thingy, wherein he rightly criticizes Big Biz for getting in bed with Big Gubmint:
This is an entirely different category than Corporatist Cooperation. Gubmint contractors are hired by the gubmint to do a gubmint job. The Gubmint decides what needs to be done, and the contractor does it; it’s good because contractors can be fired and gubmint workers cannot.
In Corporatism, Big Biz initiates the cooperative effort for its own ends. Gubmint benefits by expanding its scope of control.
In the case of Obamacare, the Gubmint decided it needed to Exert Control over the healthcare system and so has usurped private control over what used to be a private enterprise.
Ergo, Corporatism has nothing to do with gubmint contracting, so there’s no reason to offer the “I have no problem” caveat (as if one’s subjective discomfort were probative of anything).
No, we need to chop off the tentacles of Gubmint that are meddling where they don’t belong.
Geez Louise, Jonah: you’re the one who pointed out that Microsoft never had lobbyists in DC until Washington tried to mess with it. (The esteemed Senator from Utah, Orrin Hatch, chastised Bill Gates for not having worked the DC scene earlier. As was Gates’s Patriotic Duty.)
There’s no “ethical” business reason not to get in bed with Gubmint that businesses will adopt. There IS, however, a BUSINESS reason not to get in bed, which is the same advice you’d give to Lando Calrissian prior to Vadar’s arrival — you WILL get the raw end of the deal, good and hard, and you’ll be helpless to stop it once the process is in motion.
If the survival of the bidness is at stake, they’ll pay attention. It’s only short-term thinking and stupidity that persuades them to cooperate when the gubmint initiates the deal.
ummm… Because the government cares about you, when all your evil health insurance company only cares about money?
OMG I WANT THIS IN MY YARD!
– di, thats amazing. Really wild how they take to it without fear.
– Dare I say it….Like a duck……well you know the rest… :)
– As far as Steve-dolt, I think he may have finally gotten the memo because hes not investing any meaningful time in his lies campaign any more.
– Its pretty much a done deal that even the glue sniffers and true believers know the end is near for Waffle ears and his impossibly insane bill.
– di, thats amazing. Really wild how they take to it without fear.
Turns out they are induced, at least at first, by placing food in a trough at the top of the slide so that they have to reach for it, and in reaching, they slip over the edge. You can see the food bits on the far side at the top. (This other vid makes it more evident.)
Which prompts the morons in the YouTube comment section (BIRM) to pronounce it cruel.
However, them ducks in the short vid aren’t reaching for no food: they’re going for the gusto.
Love it.
Where the gusto goes (or ends up).
What the Obamacare Shipwreck Tells Us About Liberalism: Part One
wow, sdferr, all those ducks and not a sprig of rosemary in sight.
From NPR’s linky couple threads back…
Mary Shelley and Moses’ autobiographer hardest hit.
that’s nr’s linky. Auto correct can be amusing at times!
I still think the ClownDisasterCare law resembles nothing quite so much as der Führer’s determination to press the attack on Stalingrad. Shakespeare doesn’t deserve the burden.
Has anyone seen an analysis of the money flows that are in Obamacare. With so much more money from the economy being funneled into healthcare insurance under this mess I wonder just where the excess is flowing.
since peeps can’t sign up i wonder if there is any money flowing
surely after cancelling so many policies and very little new business going their way, the health ins. biz is going to feel the effects soon?
Projected money flows then.
projected healthcare.gov functioning any time soon;)
i’m sure the “projected” money flows were what sold the health ins. biz on O!care. but now that it is a reality when the spigot was turned on no money came out.
From NR’s LV-RJ Link:
“All this for a law created to insure the uninsured. Instead, in one month’s time, around 100,000 policies have been sold while millions of Americans on the individual market have had their policies canceled. The law has left the insured uninsured, the president’s purported fix notwithstanding”
Apparently Odumbo has perfected the art of irony.
Well done Sir,
Well done!
– “….and among Obamas multitudenous talents is the unbelievable ability to turn gold to shit.”
around 100,000 policies have been sold
alot of the policies “sold” were peeps signing up for medcaid no?
BigBangHunter says November 16, 2013 at 6:12 pm
That’s golden, BBH. I’m stealing it.
Yes Nr, thats part of the irony too. Dr’s will be refusing to accept new Medicaid patients so they will be defacto uninsured as well.
If we don’t undo this mess pretty soon only the rich will get treatment by jetting to the Bahamas and paying Dr’s cash.
Let’s say it is not repealed and it all goes into effect, which is the assumption that the insurance companies, the administration, the Democrat base and the medical services community do or must assume in order to plan for the future.
We have policy rates increasing by huge amounts. Deductibles and co-pays going up. Right now this is the individual policy market but the employer paid plans, group plans will fall into this also soon. And the many who get cut to 29 hours will have to be in the individual market too.
They will either have to pay these new hugely higher rates, pay a fine which will go higher quickly, or the taxpayers through subsidies or Medicaid will be paying some or all of the costs.
The non-Medicaid part of the money above will flow to the insurance companies (or directly to the medical service providers as deductibles and co-pays are paid,) and some part of it will then go to pay the medical services community for what they are doing. The Medicaid part will have some go to government employees and the rest will go to the medical services community.
The total amount flowing from the policy holders, individual’s and company’s premiums, deductibles/co-pays , and from government as subsidies and Medicaid will be, if this plan stays in effect, substantially larger than the amount that is flowing in previously. Yet the medical community seems to be braced to be seeing substantially less money flowing to them for each service.
So the projected services must be even larger in number than the increase in money flowing in or there is some place where money is being siphoned off for some other purpose. That is why I want to see a projected money flow analysis.
“They will either have to pay these new hugely higher rates, pay a fine which will go higher quickly”
or when the employers drop peeps into this blender next year you have a revolutionary moment. at present we are only into the first minutes of the titantic hitting the iceberg.
– The iceberg has already knocked on the hull. The present situation is the passengers are all rushing around wildly to stake out their favorite spot to stand as the Progressive crew whistles and stamps their feet cheering for the disaster and the ship goes ass-up and decends into the bowels of the economic deep.
> The present situation is the passengers are all rushing around wildly <
give it 8 months when employers start dumping. 11/4/14 election will be interesting
It seems the battle is joined, whether we’re (or they’re) ready or not.
Me? I reject any overlords, new or old.
The present situation is the passengers are all rushing around wildly
Meanwhile the captain and crew and running around trying to sell voyage insurance to the third-class passengers they have just locked belowdecks.
– Did Bumblefuck address his disaster on his weekly radio show this evening? – Why no, no he did not.
– His main comment and message was “Just this week, we learned that for the first time in nearly two decades, the United States of America now produces more of our own oil here at home than we buy from other countries” …..which is sort of a “Hey I may be doing everything I can to cripple the Republic but I did support the Oil industry a little bit, so, uh, thats a good thing right?
– Well it would be, but its another lie. The industry has risen largely due to increased natural demand/exports in spite of Bumblefucks efforts to reclassify millions of fed oil reserve tracts to non-exploration stature.
– What a classic Marxist shitbag liar.
baracky is like “the sting” when it falls apart
O!care is bombing strongholds. the terminator is alive
PTers’ Hours Cut On Over 200 Campuses To Avoid Affordable Healthcare Act
carpet bombing
Not Establishment Press News: Obamacare Causes Bowie State, Md.’s Oldest Black College, to Drop Student Health Insurance
No worry NR, they can all join our buddy DaleK on the Medecaid train. Hey, they’re young, all they need is “minimum health care” and the gov’t is paying for it; so it’s free. Right?
baracky like lbj “we had to destroy the health care in order to save it”
baracky’s vietnam got “boat” peeps too
I think you misunderstood. He was saying: “If you can keep your healthcare plan, you can keep it”
the royal scam
Ha, take a gander at what John Kerry’s “I don’t think we’re stupid” has achieved, albeit unintentionally so.
A France-Israel-Saudi Arabia alliance?
This is one of those you can’t have it both ways moments. Either the law is the disastrous result of good intentions (insure the uninsured) gone dangerously awry, or the good intentions were a pretext for something else, like moving the ball ever closer to the goal of nationalizing health care (clearly the free market has failed Obama /sarc).*
The Democrats are nothing but a coterie of dupes and cads, and the hell with the lot of 'em.
*Now, if you want to blast 'em for being not only duplicitous bastards, but
incompetentarrogant duplicitious bastards, nuke ’em with the blowback bomb.From orbit.
“A France-Israel-Saudi Arabia alliance?”
Yeah, France is not fond of Iran without the US to bell the cat. Saudi knows who Iran will invade in their bid for one caliphate with Suni’s locked out of the holy land.
Suni’s locked out of the holy land.
nice bloodbath that
One word. Nukes.
How awesome is BigBrotherCare? This awesome:
The upshot? Your doctor’s time rations are being increased from 10 minutes to 5 minutes. God save the Queen!
– Yeah, but look at the bright side. With a limited time budget, there is also a limit on the number of bad news health facts your doctor can lay on you, which, you no, in Progtardia percrption is reality. Yaaaaay.
“will deem it a “success” if only 80% of users are able to buy insurance through the website. ”
Here Is Today’s Jaw-Dropping Healthcare.gov Article
hi watcha doing happyfeet?
oh hi thanks for calling but there’s a sign what says I can’t use my cell phone
really … where are you?
I’m at the doctors I need to get a mole checked I have to be concerned you know cause of growing up in south texas I had lots of severe sunburns as a child which is like the #1 most important cause of skin cancer in the whole world
oh. ok yeah you should do that
it just sucks though cause i been here 5 hours already and there’s all these disgusting hacking oozing foodstampers here and I’m scared they’re gonna get all their hepatitis on me
oh my god happy be careful you are so special to us all I hate that you have to jeopardize your health just to get a mole checked do you have any purell?
yeah I still have a quarter of the bottle left but it’s going really really fast
you want me to swing by with some lysol?
oh please that would be a blessing
ok I bring some lysol and a fresh bottle of the purell
ok thanks they’re about to take my phone away so just come straight up and when