Dear Rep Lewis,
While we in the TEA Party movement -- that is, those Americans who stand and fight for constitutional principles, the sovereignty of the individual, and the epistemology of the Enlightenment -- appreciate your timely reminder of the Democratic Party's past involvements in segregation and the brutal subjugation of parts of the citizenry, we would like to correct your latest attempt to tie our efforts at resisting the remaking of the citizen-as-subject, as an economic unit in service of a state master, that is, as slaves, to past attempts by your Party to enslave Americans, or keep them segregated and subjugated, tied to some particular plantation or other over which you lord.
The Supreme Court has ruled before -- and John Roberts, in a last minute attempt to secure for himself a legacy of bipartisan comity rather than judicial rigor, a move that will forever tarnish his reputation and damage the standing of the Court, ruled in the case of ObamaCare -- that in fact the US government does have a right to force Americans into a kind of sanctioned slavery. In this case, we are told that the federal government can force us to enter in a contract it writes for us and demands we pay for under penalty of fine or imprisonment, even though to enter into that contract means we are compelled to purchase services we may not want or need, and by doing so, subsidize those same services for those who can't afford to purchase them on their own. Legalized theft disguised as forced charity.
If to resist such coercion truly reminds you of an attempt to keep southern blacks away from lunch counters or in the backs of buses, one can only conclude that you haven't the faculties to operate a shoe lace, much less serve as a lawmaker -- though to be fair, this is not merely an indictment upon you, but upon those who vote for you, who have been taught to believe (and haven't the intellectual curiosity to challenge) such ludicrous parallels as those you try to draw. In one instance, we have people of all races, genders, sexual orientations, and prior political affiliations rising up to protest the unpopular imposition upon us of a health insurance system that we neither want nor can afford -- one that we know will decrease the quality of our health care while increasing our financial burdens, should we not be that part of your constituency that you insist be able to exist on the labor of others through your endless wealth redistribution schemes, the very thing that buys you votes and keeps your client list full. In the second instance, we have those who -- while they worked to make sure they themselves were heavily subsidized and not forced to live under the very law they insist upon foisting on us, even as they've proven that access to the means of procuring the health insurance they claim to provide is impossible, onerous, and open to all sort of invasions of privacy and the theft of personal data -- still insist we shut up and accept our lot as subjects.
And yet you have the audacity to tie the former to racial oppressors, while painting yourselves and your subjugators as noble and compassionate liberators, marchers against the predations of a capitalist system whose private health insurance providers (to the extent they're even able to remain private, given the breadth and scope of government regulation) routinely grant claims at a higher rate than previous iterations of government health insurance (Medicare has a higher rejection rate than all private insurers)?
You sir, are a disgrace to the civil rights movement, a disgrace to the seriousness of the historic fight for equal rights for blacks (led by Republicans), a disgrace to those you purport to represent, yet upon whose ignorance and perpetually stoked victimization you continue to prey.
I despise people like you. You've turned a past injustice into a cottage race industry upon which you live like a parasite. And your attempts to tether that past injustice to those of us who today fight for the freedom and autonomy of the individual to resist the oppression of the state suggests that it is you, sir, who today carries the fire hoses and have shown yourself willing, time and again, to release the dogs against those who oppose your designs on their liberty.
In short, you are an opportunistic relic who, your protestations to the contrary, has become a bane to the very progress of the people your purport to speak for. So go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
We, the People
well said.
Damn, that’s epic. Cheers!
Thanks, Jeff. We needed that.
Make sure his office gets a copy, with multiple CCs to media outlets. Make sure the e-mail issues a receipt upon opening.
Hell, I’d settle for some retweets.
Anyone who’d see it from my retweeting it, is almost certainly reading PW already.
Awesome. Please tell me you actually sent that.
I’ll hit the RT thinger if I ever get home tonight. Still have a few more welfare recipients I need to fund with my overly taxed working hours… )
Goddamnit Goldman. That last bit brought a tear to my eye.
Not if you do it like this.
Goddamn beautiful, Jeff.
Bob Highly Recommends: An Open Letter To Rep John Lewis (D-GA) by @ProteinWisdom…
An open letter to Rep John Lewis (D-GA) | protein wisdom. That rat bastard hustler Lewis needed a major beatdown and Jeff deserves our gratitude….
The civil rights struggle is more real to those who respect it enough to be glad its many moments of shame, hope, danger, and glory lie in the past, than to those who dress up in its relics and whore them out for cheap. To people like Lewis it is just sugar to draw the ants with. It’s a cool subject for a poster on sale in an online store. It’s an empty but profitable exercise founded in tradition more than experience and it’s not unlike a country auctioneer’s pander in it’s dry, insincere, rote commercialism.
Ooooh! … THAT should sting!
(There are actually SEVERAL members of the Congressional Black Caucus who should receive this, or something quite similar…)
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PS- Fred Reed has an interesting take on the notion of “reparations”: who needs to pay whom, and for what…
http://fredoneverything.net/Ideas.shtml
It’s the October 20th post
Did I read this right? Did some teabagger just pen an angry missive wherein it was claimed that Rep. John Lewis is a disgrace to the civil rights movement? Seriously, how can you presume to judge someone who was arrested countless times, who shed his own blood repeatedly, in order to push a kicking and screaming American populace to live up to the principles enshrined in our Constitution. You, sir, are not even fit to type the name of a patriot like John Lewis. Thank goodness that most Americans have woken up to the kind of selfish, anti-American fanatics you tea-partiers are. I truly enjoy watching your influence diminish into irrelevancy as a result of such wrong-headed, ignorant, and mean-spirited nonsense.
You despise John Lewis? LOL. I’m sure that this American hero is really hurt by your impotent little tantrum. Keep digging, teabaggers; you’re not winning yourself any friends.
Did I read this right?
Perhaps if you actually read what he wrote you would have understood it.
But no, that isn’t what you were ordered to do, was it?
So, no. You didn’t read it right. You read only what your prejudices told you.
Hm. Another troll decanted from the cloning tank. Someone is getting a bit worried about your writings, Jeff.
Clean up on Aisle 15.
By his actions. Reading is fundamental. You should try it.
Rep. John Lewis is a disgrace to the civil rights movement?
Considering he has betrayed everything he ever fought for to smear those of his fellow Americans who want to see a return to those same Constitutional principles you claim he defended, with the brush of racial animosity started and protected by the very same Democratic Party who is now giving you your marching orders, yeah, he is.
The KKK is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party, and if Lewis doesn’t know this, then he is a fool, too. More fool you for believing everything he says, while we’re setting definitions.
Facts suck when they can’t be spun away, don’t they? Just ask hellomynameiswaitIneedtoseewhatIwrotedownohyeahthatsrightitssteve…
Steampunked.
PS- Fred Reed has an interesting take on the notion of “reparations”: who needs to pay whom, and for what…
Sounds like he just read some good Mark Twain…
http://www.abelard.org/iqedfran/gondour.php
See, I think using accusations of racism as a shut-up ploy because you’re rooting for the dude with the darker skin is pretty fucking racist.
Plus, it presumes that Obama needs that kind of help, which is even more racisty.
Via Ian Walsh:
So save the fauxtrage, proggies. We all know better.
Don’t feed the troll, folks.
John Lewis is a legendary civil rights leader, which means he took significant risks to practice nonviolent methods of protesting abhorrent, systemic racial discrimination. He helped change the country for the better, and he did it with quiet honor and dignity. Even if you disagree with him, he is a man who has earned respect.
This “open letter” is disgraceful. Next time you wonder why the Tea Party doesn’t get any respect, remember this letter.
I’m certain that Jesse Jackson was also once admirable.
That doesn’t make him currentlyadmirable.
But thank you for your Always A Hero vote.
I think “smashing its head with a blunt object until the twitching stops” wouldn’t qualify as “feeding”, but YMMV.
In 2011, John Lewis falsely claimed that he was called a “nigger” when video and audio evidence proved this account flase.
Regardless of his iconic status as a civil rights icon, he has become an old fool. He is worthy of all the respect of the late, unlamented Grand Kleagle Bob “The Conscience of the Senate” Byrd of Teddy “The Swimmer” Kennedy; that is none.
Agreed, Drum. See my last.
See also: Benedict Arnold.
Even if you disagree with him, he is a man who has earned respect.
And then he threw it all away with this openly partisan accusation of racism and attachment to a group that his own party created and protected. Just as with John McCain, he once did great things, and deserved the accolades he got. But in his senility, he has completely shredded whatever respect he had by violating his own principles for partisan gain.
If Westboro Baptist (a fervent supporter of Barack and everything he does) had come out and said these things, would you still be supporting what was said? Or are you only defending the comments because the person saying them has a preferred skin tone? If it is that second answer, how do you justify your own racism?
Rather than dealing with the substance of my post, it’s easier to mumble some nonsense about how “reading is fundamental” and dismiss me as troll, which apparently has come to mean someone who disagrees with you. Erm, okay. Just know that you all aren’t fit to shine Rep. Lewis’s shoes. It’s easy to talk like a big tough guy whilst hiding behind your keyboard. Until you’ve had the shit kicked out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you don’t really have any ground upon which to stand. You teabaggers are truly pathetic.
I’m guessing the formerly all-important nuance will be carelessly discarded, if it replies.
So, a good asskicking is necessary in order to have an opinion? When did the REST of government have theirs?
I think it’s imperative that they all get one, stat.
I say that until you’ve captured Ticonderoga, you don’t have any ground on which to stand.
I first met John Lewis when I was in college. At the time, I respected him based on personal sacrifices he made during the 1950s and 1960s. Years later, I moved back to Atlanta, and he become my Representative. I met him a few other times, and he was always a gentleman. But the man is a certified cook. His views or American history (and world history) are distorted, he is economically illiterate, and – what should be shocking – he is always ready to blame some others for failures of blacks to prosper. It is like he do not learn his own lessons about individual responsibility and self-sacrifice. Of course, it may be too many blows to head. Regardless, this letter is spot on. John Lewis has spent the last few years demonizing responsible Americans for his own personal gain. And to re-enslave America’s black community. There is no need to show John Lewis respect he does not deserve. I say fight back and punch twice as hard.
LOL. I didn’t realize this was a blog for angry idiots, which, in hindsight, was obvious from the ridiculous “open letter” and the kudos it got from the wingnut gallery. My bad.
Rather than dealing with the substance of Jeff’s original post, you came in and mumbled some nonsense, some insults, and left again without ever actually trying to understand what was actually written, ending on a note of self-satisfied pomposity that is only deserved in that FantasyLand currently playing inside your skull.
It’s easy to talk like a big tough guy whilst hiding behind your keyboard.
Mr. Pot, there someone named ‘Kettle’ on line 2.
Until you’ve had the shit kicked out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you don’t really have any ground upon which to stand.
We eagerly await your own experiences of having to defend your country, your family and yourself, because you will need it 50 years down the road when you go senile, too. John Lewis is a proven liar, and who has now revealed himself to be nothing more than a paid flack defending something he would have been fighting against 50 years ago. Enjoy your 404Care, lickspittle.
LOL. I didn’t realize this was a blog for angry idiots
No, the angry idiots are the ones who show up and act all butthurt over something they neither do nor can understand. See also the nearest mirror for further explanation.
Until you’ve had the shit kicked out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you don’t really have any ground upon which to stand.
I believe this is the “‘Nuff said!” argument. Fail.
When did this happen to you, new person? I submit until you have had the shit beat out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you are unfit to comment on who is fit to comment on what.
Anybody else troubled by the whole shoe shining imprecation?
Absolutely smacks of RACISM!
I distinctly heard a “boy” in there somewhere…
A music for our times, to accompany Rep. Lewis’ dance on this day.
Yes, Jeff. I thought that shoe shine remark smacked of the raaaaaacism.
“I think “smashing its head with a blunt object until the twitching stops” wouldn’t qualify as “feeding”, but YMMV.”
Your implied threats of violence against those with whom you disagree are truly fetching. I hope you feel good about yourself and your political movement, which is become less relevant by the day. Seriously, y’all must be pretty angry to bash a seventy three year old American hero. It’s no wonder you keep loosing elections given this level of hate and vituperation.
But then he spent the capital he had earned by fashioning chains to put Americans into. Fuck him. Thanks for the memories, though.
Benedict Arnold was an American hero once too.
Your implied threats of violence against those with whom you disagree are truly fetching.
If you were sitting here, it wouldn’t have been implied, but you wouldn’t have dared actually make those comments if you were actually sitting here, now would you, tough guy? (See also “metaphor”, dolt.)
Seriously, y’all must be pretty angry to bash a seventy three year old American hero.
You should see how we talk about Mav McCain… But when said 73yo is a certifiably insane windbag who has trouble telling right from left, (never mind right from wrong), and who betrays the very principles on which he built his reputation, why shouldn’t we get mad, when we are the ones made to suffer for his illness?
Oh for Pete’s sake. You morons are always accusing us of violent imagery. It isn’t us who defaces peoples political signage and offices, hangs the opposition in effigy, and destroys private property a la Occupy.
It is patently obvious that you are a Know Nothing and you like it that way.
Louis: [possessed by Vinz Clortho] I am The Keymaster!
Dana Barrett: [possessed by Zuul] I am The Gatekeeper!
Heh, Slarti.
This, from someone who just finished insisting that a good asskicking was needed before one’s opinion becomes credible, is sort of ironic.
“When did this happen to you, new person?’
I never said it happened to me. I said it happened to Lewis. I’m not the one questioning Lewis’s credentials as a civil rights hero. My argument was that this guy has shed his own blood to make the US a better, more inclusive nation. Until you’ve sacrificed similarly, you might just ease up on the smears.
Otherwise, I have no idea what shining shoes has to do with race. You guys are weird.
I get the impression that jewelbomb is going to spend the next 3 weeks storming off indignantly.
I’m guessing newbie is crafting his account of the epic ass-kicking he took in the name of freedom.
Your implied threats of violence against those with whom you disagree are truly fetching.
What goes around, comes around, toots. Or did you think you could glorify New Left / SDS/ SLA / Weathermen types and not expect a response?
“I hope you feel good about yourself and your political movement, which is become less relevant by the day.”
Given the leftist indoctrination factories you and your ilk created in academia and the media, sadly you may be right.
“Seriously, y’all must be pretty angry to bash a seventy three year old American hero.”
An “American hero” who shows hate and contempt for America?
But all that said, it’s time to tell John Lewis and his ilk that if they hate it here so much, they can leave. The next time one of them screams for “Reparations”, whilst murdering a young white couple out on a date, or burning a Korean American’s store down, suggest *repatriation* for them.
Things that are true aren’t smears, dear. Lewis was once a great man. Now, he’s a tragic old fool.
I never said it happened to me
I knew that already. My point was that you are also not fit to comment on others opinions until you have had the shit kicked out of you. I’m using your standard, jewel.
Until you’ve sacrificed similarly, you might just ease up on the smears.
Well, if that is the standard, I say FUCK HIM, and you can just deal with it. (Disabled American Vet, so I have credibility by your own definition, and I say you, too, are full of shit.)
Gosh, that was simple. NEXT!
“Otherwise, I have no idea what shining shoes has to do with race. You guys are weird.”
Youth wasted on the young and all that.
. . . to make the US a better, more inclusive nation.
And to what, oh knower of the truth, did he appeal in his efforts to exact this measure of justice? And what has he abandoned now that he has power in his hands? No, don’t stop to think. It wouldn’t become you.
“If you were sitting here, it wouldn’t have been implied, but you wouldn’t have dared actually make those comments if you were actually sitting here, now would you, tough guy?”
Ooooooo. Pretty scary, bro. Do you threaten everyone who disagrees with you, or am I just lucky? Clearly your ideas are pretty great since the slightest bit of push-back makes you want to hit someone. It’s cool, my three-year-old acts the same way. Like her, you might need a bit of a time-out to cool down.
No one here is either. His credentials, as you call them, were justly earned. In the past.
No one is questioning his past actions. Just his recent ones.
He lost something along the way. Possibly his soul.
Since I wrote the “ridiculous” open letter, I’ll issue this challenge to our new commentators, visiting us from Wonkette (where evidently it is a slow news day for anal sex stories): explain to me where I’m wrong in the substance of my letter.
So far I’ve heard this: 1) once someone is a “civil rights legend,” he remains fixed in time as a hero. Unless of course he’s a Charlton Heston. In which case, fuck that nutjob.
2) We as (most likely) lily white progressives are OUTRAGED by your temerity to turn on a race hustler who once fought the race industry but who has since taken to attempting to dehumanize an entire group of diverse individuals by claiming them monsters who disagree with policy issues because they despise 1/2 the color of the President’s skin.
3) I said good-day, sir!
Bring it. The thing you’ll one day come to understand (or maybe not; I mean, you read Wonkette, for Chrissakes) is that race-baiting and shaming doesn’t work on those who are confident in their principles and secure in their own heart. Unfortunately for you, we aren’t the shrinking establishment GOP violets that grow fearful over being called “racists” by a “civil rights legend” engaging in his own absurd race-baiting bigotry. We wear it as a badge of honor. I no more want nor need the approbation of John Lewis than I do any other modern-day race baiter.
Again, I say to those of you visiting: if you wish to point out the flaw in my critique — and I’d prefer you dig a little deeper than “he was once X so he must always be X,” because I’m certain this is not the same reasoning you used when embracing Bob Byrd, and your antifoundationalism doesn’t confuse me — do so. I’m right here. And I’m not afraid of anything you have to say to me — be it from behind my keyboard or out in the open. I use my name to publish what I publish. So trust me when I say you aren’t the first people, on the left or on the right, who have endeavored to try to tarnish it.
You’ll find I am quite adept, though, at defending it.
“This “open letter” is disgraceful. Next time you wonder why the Tea Party doesn’t get any respect, remember this letter. ”
I don’t hear a lot of respect for ANYONE in Washington except in the press and they sound pretty dishonest. Lohn Lewis earned his glory back in the day and his shame ever since. He is serving in the party of Jim Crow and a liar now. He turned his back on his glory and his glroy has turned its back on him. He is an example of why the current civil rights movement is held in such contempt compared to its origins and heyday. He has become a fake and a charlatan and the people who support him in this are nostalgic idiots or cynical exploitative scum and not worth listening to on any topic. Obviously that includes you and your lame fraud enabling bullshit.
Do you threaten everyone who disagrees with you, or am I just lucky?
Where have I threatened you? Be specific. I have made reference to your cowardice, but that wasn’t a threat. You pretend to read, but can you actually understand what is being displayed on the screen?
“I’m not the one questioning Lewis’s credentials as a civil rights hero. ”
Which makes you an ignorant sucker, or someone who trying to make money off the past at the expense of the present. Most of that money will come from K street and ignorant suckers.
“I knew that already. My point was that you are also not fit to comment on others opinions until you have had the shit kicked out of you. I’m using your standard, jewel”
Erm…no. I never said that anyone is not fit to comment on other’s opinions until they have met with violence. I said that you probably shouldn’t besmirch the name of those who have sacrificed their blood and freedom fighting to make America live up to its founding principles. It’s really not that difficult to understand.
Addendum to Jeff G. @ 10:51
Unlike at Wonkette, comments here are open and unmoderated. So you’re unencumbered.
I never said that anyone is not fit to comment on other’s opinions until they have met with violence.
Liar. And I quote: “Until you’ve had the shit kicked out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you don’t really have any ground upon which to stand.”
Pathetic.
A && !A, bitches. What’s hard to understand about that?
Hey, Jeff, you’ve attracted a flock of libs! I’ll wager that this thread goes into multiples of whatever hellomynameisstevenomynameisslipperyslopenoiveforgottenmylastalias was able to do.
Which founding principles was he standing up for when he suggested those who distrust government control over their health care choices don’t really distrust government control over their health care choices. That instead, they just want to stone the descendents of Rosa Parks to death and then burn a cross on the White House lawn?
its founding principles
Pardon, but that’s just an empty name without substance. How about putting a little meat on the bones?
jewelbomb @ 10:54
jewelbomb @ 10:27:
Try again, dear. You’re flailing.
“Until you’ve sacrificed similarly, you might just ease up on the smears. ”
The smears aren’t smears. They are accurate reports of a rather long history of perfidy. And the prior sacrifices are not a license to be a scumbag for free later on. Being a scumbag stains your prior accomplishments or “sacrifices” if you will. That was the message behind the Breaking Bad tv show you leftist farts love to jabber about so much. You live your whole life as a gentle self sacrificing chemistry teacher and then spend the last few months transforming into a paranoid ruthless meth cooker and you’ll go down as a bloody handed meth cooker. Even if you claim to have done it so you can leave some money to your poor wife.
“Where have I threatened you? Be specific.”
Okay: ““I think “smashing its head with a blunt object until the twitching stops” wouldn’t qualify as “feeding”, but YMMV.”
“If you were sitting here, it wouldn’t have been implied”
You referenced smashing my head with a blunt object and then assured me that, were I within striking distance, it would be more than a threat. It’s really not too complicated.
Your ideas must be really good since the slightest bit of dissent has you wishing for blunt objects to wield against your ideological foes.
Here’s where they are coming from — along with whomever else has picked up on it.
Reminds me of my salad days.
Someone’s being just a tidge too literal.
I remember when I was overly literal. I think that was when I was 8.
Oh. Wonkette. Wasn’t that a hive of bumfuckery, in recent memory?
““I think “smashing its head with a blunt object until the twitching stops” wouldn’t qualify as “feeding”, but YMMV.”
“If you were sitting here, it wouldn’t have been implied”
Oh, so you think leigh was saying “stop delivering the pizzas and chicken stir fry” when reference was made to “feed{ing} the troll”?
I did tell you to look up “metaphor”, and now I will add another word for your Daily List of Words You Didn’t Know: “inferred” (and how it is different from “implied”.)
Gonna have to dig deeper than that, you illiterate troglodyte.
Dearest jewelbomb —
You seem to have seized on a “threat” made you and are now (pardon me) beating that horse to death. Your outrage has been noted. Care now to comment substantively on the letter? Or have you just decided permanent deflection mode is your best chance of surviving here intellectually until you eventually skulk off, having convinced yourself you really set a bitch straight!
I also made reference to your cowardice, so be sure to include that.
I said that you probably shouldn’t besmirch the name of those who have sacrificed their blood and freedom fighting to make America live up to its founding principles.
No. That isn’t what you said. You’re like Obama’s handlers coming out and revising what you said into what you meant. Since you know exactly jackshit about anyone on here, how do you presume to know the experiences of any of us?
John Lewis is a racist and until he looks in the mirror and acknowledges what he is and apologizes for it, he can go screw.
Proggies just love them some John Lewis, except for when they don’t, in which case that’s all righteous and truthy.
YOU GAVE ME MORE BUTTHURT!!!
Oh. Wonkette.
Is she the one who chronicled her slutting around like it was a badge of honor? She’s not even a good businesswoman. Whores can make good money and there she was, giving it away.
Stupid broad.
Okay. I’ll explain very slowly. Given JL’s history of sacrifice, he’s earned a bit of respect. Since I presume that most of you didn’t face similar bodily harm fighting for civil rights, you have very little rhetorical ground on which to stand. It’s a mater of ethos, which JL has established through his actions and sacrifice. Sorry, but one’s actions often inform their credibility in regards to certain issues. When it comes to civil rights, I’ll probably defer to someone who has established his credibility with his actions rather than relying on the opinion of some internet guy whose accomplishments are…?
Interesting that the wonkette writer seems to think imprecations of hell are way useful in a political disagreement. Does a heaven go along with ClownDisasterCare too? Were these writ into holy founding principle by Pambasileias ClownDisaster himself?
“Did I read this right? ”
Probably not. Preening lefty scolds never do. It’s not in keeping with their MO.
“Did some teabagger just pen an angry missive wherein it ”
As soon as I saw the idiot’s mark, the agit -word ‘teabagger’ used without irony, I knew that the canned ritual pseudo-outrage to follow would be the worthless, presumptuous, preening, scolding, zero effort effluvia of someone not worth listening to.
“You seem to have seized on a “threat” made you and are now (pardon me) beating that horse to death”
I didn’t seize on anything, you fucking nitwit: I was answering his/her/its question about where he threatened me.
He got that, right up until he started spouting racist nonsense.
Why is this difficult for you to understand.
“Okay. I’ll explain very slowly.”
Does dumb tired shit from an idiot gain value when expounded S—L—OOooowwwly?
Oh. Wonkette. Wasn’t that a hive of bumfuckery, in recent memory?
Isn’t it still? Alex Pareene was doing a good tranny show there, and the original bimbo moved on, I thought.
whose accomplishments are…?
What have you done for the city lately, Socrates? Thinking and talking? You mean, nothing? Ah, well then, have a drink and shut up.
“As soon as I saw the idiot’s mark, the agit -word ‘teabagger’ used without irony”
Isn’t that what you dudes call yourselves? Has the preferred nomenclature changed? Would you prefer I call you reactionaries? Whigs? Fascists? What’s the acceptable term?
Since I presume that most of you didn’t face similar bodily harm fighting for civil rights, you have very little rhetorical ground on which to stand
Unfounded presumption based solely on your racial animosity and prejudices. You also ignore that I HAVE faced similar bodily harm defending civil rights, my opinion carries just as much weight as the race-baiter John Lewis does, except that I haven’t thrown it all away by trying to enslave my fellow Americans, which he has.
So fuck him. And you.
Sorry, but one’s actions often inform their credibility in regards to certain issues.
This is directly belied by the very deference you offer John Lewis just a sentence or two prior, since it is his actions under discussion (and very carefully laid out in the post above you clearly didn’t bother to read) that have ruined his credibility. Nevertheless, you grant him a status above and beyond the consequences of those actions and for no other reason than the color of his skin. And so what kind of racist does that make YOU?
I presume that most of you didn’t face similar bodily harm
You know what they say about assuming, do you not, Grasshopper?
“He got that, right up until he started spouting racist nonsense.”
I’ve seen no credible evidence that JL has spouted racist nonsense.
Isn’t that what you dudes call yourselves? Has the preferred nomenclature changed? Would you prefer I call you reactionaries? Whigs? Fascists? What’s the acceptable term?
1. No
2. No
3. No (See also Bill Ayers)
4. You have no idea of the history of the word.
5. See #4
6. It used to be “Americans”, but you and your ilk have turned that into a global pejorative.
I’ve seen no credible evidence that JL has spouted racist nonsense
Try reading the post at the top of the page. Get a friend to help with the tri-syllabic words
“Is she the one who chronicled her slutting around like it was a badge of honor? She’s not even a good businesswoman. Whores can make good money and there she was, giving it away.”
I think Anna Marie Cox left the site a long time ago when her thread bare butt-sex gag stopped getting her instapundit links. The Gawker people gave her “Washington DC gossip/rumor” site to someone else who apparently no one cares about. I think she works for the politics desk at GQ magazine, and blogs for the Guardian so British people see the US through her supposedly youthful and hip, 41 year old eyes.
I was answering his/her/its question about where he threatened me.
While failing to actually provide any sort of threats made against you, that is. (Do you ALWAYS make shit up, or is it only when you are on the Internet?)
“You know what they say about assuming, do you not, Grasshopper?”
By all means, please regale us with tales of your prominent role in the civil rights movement rather than just coyly insinuating that you were beaten or something.
I think jewelbomb’s point is that Lewis’ history entitles him some indulgence in bad behavior. He can say and do stupid things and should not be criticized for them.
Or perhaps that he be criticized somewhat more respectfully, giving deference that would normally be due to e.g. the President of the United States.
“Isn’t that what you dudes call yourselves? Has the preferred nomenclature changed? Would you prefer I call you reactionaries? Whigs? Fascists? What’s the acceptable term?”
As I said, the clueless idiot’s mark. Thank you for the prompt demonstration of exactly why I call it that.
Isn’t that what you dudes call yourselves? Has the preferred nomenclature changed?
Now the Commiecrat is just dishonestly playing dumb. In a situation like this, is beating the truth out of her legitimate? Metaphorically?
Was that the substantive part? Or are we still on about how threatened we feel by a metaphor?
“Try reading the post at the top of the page. Get a friend to help with the tri-syllabic words”
Nope…sorry no CREDIBLE evidence of racism in that post. Otherwise, you can keep playing dumb about your threats but they remain on the thread for everyone to read. Words…how do they work?
just coyly insinuating that you were beaten or something.
I am still waiting for your account of having had your ass kicked six ways to sunday for The Cause™, thus giving you the imprimatur of gravitas in all things. As for me, I am not the one claiming arbitration status and I owe you nothing.
By all means, please regale us with tales of your prominent role in the civil rights movement rather than just coyly insinuating that you were beaten or something
Still waiting for yours, unless you admit that we shouldn’t take your opinion at all seriously. I’m going to use my Moral Absolute Card that your logic and definitions grant me to point out AGAIN that you are so full of shit, it’s seeping out of your ears.
John Lewis fought for civil rights, therefore he can’t be racist, therefore the assertion that he has indulged in racism is inherently self-contradictory.
I don’t get that, really, but that’s white people for you.
Nope…sorry no CREDIBLE evidence of racism in that post.
You have no authority to decide credible or incredible unless and until you put up your own bona fides regarding getting your ass kicked “for the cause”.
By your own definitions.
Words…how do they work?
It’s a near certainty they don’t work the way you think they do.
No Slartibartfast, jewelbomb’s point is the usual payload of “shut-up tea bagger” fake-outrage with intent to shame while ignoring the particulars of what supposedly caused the outrage. It’s the usual zero effort left-preach bullshit.
Hey jewelbomb, what happens if no one thinks your d- lefty screed is smart or persuasive and they don’t take your styrofoam OUTRAGE seriously enough? What then?
“I think jewelbomb’s point is that Lewis’ history entitles him some indulgence in bad behavior.”
Kind of, though I’ve seen no real evidence of bad behavior on JL’s part. What, you feel entitled to smear the guy because he’s on the other side of the aisle and his opinions that are different than yours? I mean, Jesus, the folks on this site seem to think that he’s Stalin mixed with Louis Farrakhan rather than the middle-of-the-road Democrat that he is. Get some perspective.
Why are our trolls always such whiny pussies? They swoop in here calling everyone names and using homophobic slurs and them make like Captain Renault in “Casablanca” acting Shocked! SHOCKED!!” that they get it back in spades.
— that he never claimed you were racist just because you disagreed with, say, a tax cut.
Incidentally, the jargon you use is particularly rich, given my real accomplishments. The idea that I have no rhetorical ground to stand on — the whole “authentic” “ethos” you’ve imbibed from would-be totalitarians like Edward Said — is absurd: it’s yet another iteration of the chickenhawk argument, and a particularly dull one at that. Because really what you’re saying is because I haven’t been SEEN or aren’t KNOWN FOR having fought for certain things, I can’t possibly have done so, and therefore lack standing to comment upon those issues.
I reject the premise. You are here, commenting on the issues, glomming on to a “civil rights legend” as if your doing so gives you some special grace, through the transitive property of progressive cult of personality arithmetic, I guess. And yet you haven’t declared yourself ineligible to speak to the issues.
My “credibility” on the issue is or is not established in the points I made, which you refuse to address. I made my argument quite clear. Your choice is to declare it de facto wrongheaded because of who said it, and of whom things were said, rather than to deal with what was said and why.
That’s not intellectualism. That’s the mark of a hive mind flailing impotently at those who would question their status as drones.
Of course not. You’re not qualified to.
That would be telling, except you’re the first person to mention either of those names.
Using Godwin’s Rules, jewelbomb just lost.
Look at the lame attempt to explain to us why Jeff said what he said that ignores the explicit delineation of why he said what he said. Note the presumption that any negative feedback must be a smear, and the idiotic straw man propositions for why there might have been negative feedback.
Nothing ever comes out of a healthy asshole but shit.
Racist.
Also, I think we’ve shown some restraint. After all, no one has yet asked jewelbomb how their balls taste.
You can disagree with Miss Daisy, but there’s a way that such a thing is done and a way that it isn’t, you see.
Okay…let’s try this again. I never said that one needs to have been beaten to have an opinion. I said that perhaps a bit of deference was in order to those who still bear physical scars from the struggle. Since I’m not presuming to question a prominent civil rights hero’s bona fides, whether or not I’ve been beaten is immaterial. My argument, once again, is in regards to JL’s ethos, which has been established by his actions during the civil rights struggle.
Racist.
I was going to denounce myself, but hey . . .
I never said that one needs to have been beaten to have an opinion.
Except when you did. Try again.
Yes let’s try the ridiculous canned outrage approach again. Let’s see if it fails the same way twice or if the first time was a fluke.
What is a jewelbomb anyway? Is that like one of those strap-on thingers, except replacing the shrapnel ball-bearings, nuts and screws with marginal sapphires, rubys and emeralds, thus making a waste not merely of lives, but of tiny objects of beauty as well?
What deference did you grant me when you first showed up here? Do you know me? Know any of what I’ve done, or what I may have suffered?
No. And I don’t expect you to have researched me before engaging the argument I wrote. To demand such is absurd. I made it clear why I believe Lewis doesn’t deserve deference. And I reacted to his attempt to smear people like me.
If you want to win this game against me you best go to the rules committee and convince them that counterpunching needs be outlawed. Because RACISM!
I figured it was a body piercing of some sort.
“Except when you did. Try again.”
Sorry, but no.
I just want to hang that one up on the wall so’s I can laugh at it.
Whether or not anyone has been beaten is immaterial to this discussion. That you have asserted that it is is…well, special.
If you give us your true name, we’ll make sure this particular instantiation of logical fallacy is named after you in perpetuity.
“What is a jewelbomb anyway? Is that like one of those strap-on thingers, except replacing the shrapnel ball-bearings, nuts and screws with marginal sapphires, rubys and emeralds, thus making a waste not merely of lives, but of tiny objects of beauty as well?”
Um…Yes. I have no idea what you are talking about. Sounds pretty neat!
The only way this could be funnier is for jewelbomb to deny that it was attempting a logical argument.
I never said that one needs to have been beaten to have an opinion.
You are a liar. I already gave your previous quote where you said exactly that. So Fuck You, saith the Moral Absolute Card Carrier.
OK, let me repeat the assertion you’ve already debunked..
Sounds pretty neat!
Thus making proof positive that you don’t know what I’m talking about. But then, one might have guessed without any need for a demonstration.
Wow. It’s like the 60s fell into a bizarro universe and spit out hippies whose goal is to embrace authority and cling bitterly to the status quo.
WHAT DO WE WANT? UNASSAILABLE ICONS WITH PERMANENT ABSOLUTE MORAL AUTHORITY! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? I SUPPOSE THEY’LL TELL US, THEN WE’LL GET BACK TO YOU!
“You are a liar. I already gave your previous quote where you said exactly that.”
Sorry. Not so. But keep saying I did; eventually it will lead to…something?
To clarify the stance contra John Lewis’ view of the ACA: Lewis’ position is immoral by definition under the prevailing ethic of the Americans, who in an abiding majority reject the law Lewis and his party would impose upon them, and therefore, as he holds to an immoral act on his own part as well as on behalf of his party and nominal Executive, he is on these grounds an immoral actor. It isn’t terribly difficult to understand.
Kitty already tired of new toy. Going back into paper bag now.
Who you gonna believe? Me or your own lying control-c ?
Stay golden, Jeff.
I never said that one needs to have been beaten to have an opinion.
Sorry. Not so.
Oh, so it was someone else logged in on your account that wrote “Until you’ve had the shit kicked out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you don’t really have any ground upon which to stand.”?
Because if you really did type those words, then you DID say it, and your denials merely expose you as more of a liar than John Lewis. Why do you hate black people so much?
Sorry, but no.
You said this:
Until you’ve had the shit kicked out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you don’t really have any ground upon which to stand. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51752#comment-1030533
Either take it back and admit you were talking out of your ass or regale us.
Wow. It’s like the 60s fell into a bizarro universe and spit out hippies whose goal is to embrace authority and cling bitterly to the status quo.
The New Left went from outside the institutions pissing in, to inside the institutions pissing out.
“Wow. It’s like the 60s fell into a bizarro universe and spit out hippies whose goal is to embrace authority and cling bitterly to the status quo.”
Dude. I’m not embracing authority. I just think it’s funny that some dude who, I don’t know, hates paying taxes or something, would presume to tell someone who risked his health and well-being to make he country better that he was a disgrace to the civil rights movement. It’s just really rich. But please, keep thinking that beating up on a well-regarded statesman and American hero is, like, virtuous or something. Whatever gets you through the night.
Goodness gracious. Just went over to that site and read comments. Not a lot of critical thinking exhibited. But it does show that the sides are so far apart there will never be a reconciliation.
This jewel person is interesting, though. Much less canned script than hellomynameis. Lots of feeling.
Statesmen, in order to maintain a status as statesmen, are required to act as statesmen. Acting as petty dictators, you might surmise, doesn’t qualify.
Cliché beats…well, everything else.
“Either take it back and admit you were talking out of your ass or regale us.”
Oh jeez. I wasn’t saying that you didn’t have the right to talk. I was saying that you are on shaky epistemological ground given JL’s accomplishments.
Someone put too much salt on the popcorn again…
Oh jeez. I wasn’t saying that you didn’t have the right to talk.
Yes, you were. Plain language and all. No metaphors allowed here, just as you pointed out.
“Cliché beats…well, everything else.”
Um…ouch?
The New Left went from outside the institutions pissing in, to inside the institutions pissing out.
Just now it may be better to imagine these are pissing down their own well-creased pantlegs, if the frantic mendacious campaigning is an indication of anything at all.
Someone needs to be more careful of the words they select. Unless they seek to obfuscate rather than illuminate, in which case: carry on.
— it said, accepting Lewis’ Absolute Moral Authority based on a frozen moment in time that can never be subsequently sullied. Because.
I just think it’s funny that some dude who, I don’t know, hates paying taxes or something, would presume to tell someone who risked his health and well-being to make he country better that he was a disgrace to the civil rights movement.
Of course you do. Because hypocrisy and dishonesty mean nothing to you, and those like you, who have no integrity and no honor, and you see events solely in terms of “institutional power”.
This is why the same crime is a “hate crime” with one set of perps, and is so totally *not* with another set.
“Hide the decline” seems to have become the generalized object of governance.
Question: was it possible for Bob Byrd to be rehabilitated? And if so, how is it not possible for Lewis to find an opposite trajectory. Speaking solely from an epistemological perspective, if that’s how you’d like to do this.
Oh jeez. I wasn’t saying that you didn’t have the right to talk.
No. You came in here with guns blazing tell us we were all a bunch of testicle-sucking homos who unless we had had an identical life experience of having been beaten in the 1960s had not right to speak ill of John Lewis and his racist, fascist worldview. You doubled down on this assertion a number of times, then backed off and now are in full retreat from your original “suck my balls” post.
Son, I don’t need your permission to speak.
By the way, I’ll put it out there that we here are allowing you a forum to converse and make your case that is not being granted us over at Wonkette, where the moderators decide who gets to say what, and so in that way can “guide” the “conversation.”
I suppose it could be that jewelbomb’s point is that John Lewis, by virtue of his experience in Civil Rights activism, knows him some racism, and that Jeff doesn’t.
Because there’s no school like the school of hard knocks, or something.
…and that it takes a special vantage point, gained thereby, to recognize it and speak about it with authority. And that said vantage point and expertise never, ever goes away.
Racism, then, is something that cannot be described. Rather, it must be experienced. And the only people that can identify it are people who have experienced it.
So, there’s no describing the elephant, except from the vantage points of those who have actually touched one.
And what would a guy named Goldstein know of prejudice, anyway? He’s probably, like, part of Big Banking or some such.
…and that it takes a special vantage point, gained thereby, to recognize it and speak about it with authority. And that said vantage point and expertise never, ever goes away.
And remember, in Leftist group dynamics, only whites can be racist. White victims don’t count, and nor do Jewish and Asian ones either. In fact, I can wager jewelbomb masturbates at the thought of them.
There’s a metaphor about that, Slarti.
You’re talking about authenticity, Slart. Which, now that I think about it, have you ever been criticized for having written about that before? Because if not, you lack rhetorical ground to do so now, as I understand it.
I fear we’ve chased this one off. Perhaps it will report back to the moderated comment section of its forays into the deepest darkest depths of Teatardia.
Where it’ll be safe once again.
He chickened already? Oh well.
It’s a waste of time Slart. I love your fjords, your fjords are the best, the pride of Magrathea. B Shout-a-tron is not programmed for learning and self examination. Shout-a-tron already has all data required to function.
*golfclap*
I have to stop now, because people around me are wondering why I am snickering.
I love your fjords, your fjords are the best, –> I love your fjords; your fjords are the best,
Let’s all pretend that I typed that second instead.
He chickened already? Oh well.
I say it’s a she. Although in this now five gendered world, who knows. From what she wrote, I would call her “Angela Davis wannabe meets Life of Julia”. She mentioned a kid, but that could have been inseminated.
Somewhere between 10:54 and 11:47 somebody took jewelbomb aside and reminded him (her?) (what difference, at this point does it make?) that “erm” is a Britishism and that Americans use “um.”
Even richer then, Curmudgeon. I suspected a female since she was arguing like a girl.
Isn’t it odd how epistemological grounds somehow ceased to have anything at all to do with what stands before us in the present? One might have thought that thinking on how knowing works would at least have something to do with the present. But heck, evidently it can only work on the past, or possibly the future, say, in the known prospect of the shining success of ClownDisasterCare to come. Without which, of course, that whole endsjustifyingmeans business might look a little corrupt.
Americans use erm too if they are nerds. They usually get it from Monty Python and Alan Moore comics.
Or maybe Alice Walker wannabe meets Life of Julia. Either way, the need for deportation and resettlement in the mythical utopian Motherland came to my mind.
By the way, since the topic seems over, how does one get a nifty Icon? I try to edit profile and do not see the option.
A pumpkin mocha latte, a big bar of chocolate and a pile of Lifetime movies will fix her right up.
I assumed that a nick like Jewelbomb and coming from a link on Wonkette should make it around a 70% likelihood that it was a y-chromosome free agent.
Go to gravatar.com and load one off your harddrive or out of their gallery.
Crumudgeon http://en.gravatar.com/
“A pumpkin mocha latte, a big bar of chocolate and a pile of Lifetime movies will fix her right up.”
Oh. So, raw cookie dough and ice cream is on the outs now? Nobody tells me anything.
Funny how the only civil rights leader respected by the Tea Party is dead. Living ones are a little too uppity.
If I’m not mistaken, I think there’s one necessity Curmudgeon, insofar as I believe you have to use the same e-mail account signing up at gravatar as you use at pw in order to complete the interlinking of the two.
Beats me, palaeo. I’m not your typical gal, so it was a trip to the range and then a few cold ones when I got stressed out. Having all those brothers growing up influenced me.
I assumed that a nick like Jewelbomb and coming from a link on Wonkette should make it around a 70% likelihood that it was a y-chromosome free agent.
And the indignation over John Lewis (of all people, a minor twinkle in the Civil Rights firmament) implies a desire on her part for “authentic” “blackness”.
Also, if you have another wordpress account, the avatar will upload on every wordpress account you have.
Uppity is fine. This whole site is about being uppity.
But being full of shit and a lame dishonest shrill while hiding behind civil rights cred is just asshole territory. It must suck to feel yourself obliged to prop up a supposedly ethical person when they act like a dishonest idiot and soul their prior accomplishments.
soul -> soil
Funny how the only civil rights leader respected by the Tea Party is dead. Living ones are a little too uppity.
And a lot too fraudulent, but hey, when did truth matter to you? (A new troll! the thread goes on)
Where can I find this list of TEA Party respectees, JBB? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
How would anyone begin to know what current civil rights leaders a political multitude like the Tea Party people would admire? Seems an absurd projection on its face, but then, for some people absurd projecting can be a way of life.
“Uppity?” As in we don’t know our place? Aren’t “your kind of people?” What are you driving at, Miss Daisy?
“Beats me, palaeo. I’m not your typical gal, so it was a trip to the range and then a few cold ones when I got stressed out. Having all those brothers growing up influenced me.”
I did girly sad time once (thanks to my 1970’s feminine side pre-installed luxury feature) by dipping corn dogs into chili-con-queso. The grim reaper showed up and told me I was stupid to eat that and threw it all in the trash and left me with a greek yoghurt dipped granola bar.
The Grim Reaper is a real asshole sometimes. That Blue Oyster Cult song about him is a lot of crap.
Pablo, I’ll go with option B since it seems to be the default of the trolls today.
Uppity! We use that word, unironically, all the time!
Because we are racist! It’s what racists do!
White people can be that way, I hear.
The Grim Reaper is a real asshole sometimes. That Blue Oyster Cult song about him is a lot of crap.
But the cowbell is awesome.
I once put some barbecued brisket and corned beef brisket in a bolillo once and let them fight. The Barbecue brisket eventually won, but I’ll never forget how valiantly the corned beef fought.
Yeah, I missed lunch.
I admire guys like Ben Carson. He’s a leader by example, which is what the “civil rights community” could use a lot more of.
And if you check out his life story, he didn’t get where he is by being humble.
John Lott’s another fella who faithfully busts his knuckles on the unthinking stone of powergrabbing tyranny in an effort to preserve a civil right.
Ward Connerly is a really cool guy, as are Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas. Alan West is okay, too.
J. Christian Adams plugs away with his efforts to preserve voting integrity, another type of civil right, at least so one would think in a nominal liberal-democracy.
It seems to me that being a civil rights leader, by definition, means standing up against Democrats.
It seems to me that being a civil rights leader, by definition, means standing up against Democrats.
There is a reason Martin Luther King, Jr., was a Republican… named after another man who decided to step off the reservation.
Well, MLK was a little on the fraud order since his real name was Michael, not Martin Luther. But, hey it’s artistic license.
And then there’s the widely celebrated Lois Lerner, doing what she can to stand up for the 5th amendment right to not be “. . . compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against [her]self . . .”.
Thankfully, they have a lot of so-white-they’re-nearly-transparent progressives around to champion them. Otherwise they’d not stand a chance. The poor dumb beasts.
Surprise! Timb shows up on Twitter to call me stupid, etc. Seriously. My name is mentioned and he’s conjured up. Like a demon. Or a stalker.
Or some sort of demon-stalker hybrid. A “dalker”… or a “semon”.
Harvey Mansfield could write in 1975
*** “Intellectuals, for their part, take for granted their ability to publish their undying thoughts in indelible ink, to be quoted in the media, and to receive the adulation of the young; but they despise know-nothing businessmen who have never taught a class and/or do not know what it is to study. They say that America suffers terribly from economic inequality and some of them are socialists; but they propose to nationalize only the means of producing economic articles, never the means of artistic or intellectual expression, and they have an ultimate, existential concern for the well-being of the copyright law.” ***
and one might have thought this interesting omission from the project to nationalize enterprise in America would have made a useful observation today. But hoah up there, people, for we have Mark Levin pointing just now to this article by Tim Cavanaugh at The Daily Caller, which just may indicate a change of purpose on the socializing left.
Holy shit!
The sheer number of distortions, misunderestimations, Bushian reframings and other weird ass-grabbery is astounding.
Notwithstanding the above, the attack on someone whose well earned status you really have no earthly right to assail (and what precisely have you done?)
Oy Vey – seriously?
Tea Party people are lovely people. I’ll say that once and a thousand times….
I’ll also say that they are woefully misinformed by people like Jeff who is essentially fomenting hatred by saying untrue things (as if they were true, thus inflaming outrage), distorting things (see prior reason) and leaving out context (see initial reason).
Tea Party people – you are lovely people. You all believed in something once and now really crass opportunists are taking advantage of you.
You’re smarter than this.
Have a lovely day!
Notwithstanding the above, the attack on someone whose well earned status you really have no earthly right to assail (and what precisely have you done?)
We’ve already established that, according to your own logic and that of your progressive fellow travellers, unless you establish your own bona fides, you have no right to an opinion. Thanks for playing!
(Jeez, can ANY of them actually read?)
You all believed in something once and now really crass opportunists are taking advantage of you.
You’re smarter than this.
Eh, go huff a tube of model airplane glue: live a little!
Your slimy first claim — that we’ve no idea how we’re being “taken advantage of” [when we judge that we’re not mistaken at all!] — is directly contradicted by your greasy second claim pretending to respect the intelligence you first deny.
“You all believed in something once and now really crass opportunists are taking advantage of you.”
No, that would be the useful idiot communists.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
How many libertarian/limited government regimes do you see on that list?
whose well earned status you really have no earthly right to assail (and what precisely have you done?)
yea i’ll assail the bullshit “status” of lewis like i do mccain clown. i’ll assail statists whatever color, creed, or dick size
Wonkette? That’s still a thing?
I thought Denton pulled the plug on that years ago.
Who was stupid/clueless enough to take it off his hands?
oy vey! Another self-hating Jew stuck in the world of progressive politics where they’ll notice that he’s one of the good ones.
What have I done? Well, in this letter, spoke directly to Mr Lewis, who likes to pretend that because I don’t want socialized medicine I must be one of those people who once wanted blacks kept to separate water fountains.
That’s obscene, bigoted, and a full-on attempt at dehumanizing me. Fuck him. And fuck all his progressive champions who pretend that this guy — or any of you — stand for the dignity and autonomy of the individual.
You can’t shame me. And when the time comes, the leftists — having finished with you — always seem to line your like up against the wall first.
Enjoy!
seriousyougoys seems to believe in superheroes beyond reproach — but obviously such only exist among those he agrees with.
Sorry to disillusion you, friend, but nobody’s perfect — and those who purvey a brief career of courage and righteousness into a lifetime of pimping and promoting moral hazard as government policy, least of all.
the attack on someone whose well earned status you really have no earthly right to assail
Precisely what is it about John Lewis that puts his every mental burp Beyond Reproach or Criticism? Something he did half a century ago, or something he is doing today? Is it something about him that you automatically genuflect to as having Absolute Moral Authority, or is it his argument that people who want to not have the government involved with every decision of every day (up to and including deciding what your health care needs will be for now and always) are worse than the Klan?
Because unless you can come up with something that imbues him with that sainted status of “His Every Word Shalt Never Be Qvestioned”, I am going to assume that it is solely because he is black and that makes you a racist.
Put up or shut up time! (And don’t forget the pictures of the scars you earned in defending your right to be a human being, or else your opinion is utterly without merit and worthless, by your own logic.)
There are plenty of people on the right whose “well-earned status” you phony pricks routinely attack — and not because they’ve done anything like claim you’re all domestic terrorists, racists, or societal arsonists, but rather because you just don’t want them opening their mouths and challenging your claims to your rightful place as civilization’s masterminds.
So again, I say this: you should spend a little less time with the make believe finger wags and more time worrying about what happens when your alternating shame / RACISM gambits no longer work to silence us.
It’s coming. Deal with it.
Tea Party people – you are lovely people. You all believed in something once and now really crass opportunists are taking advantage of you.
eff u
But as long as we snared a new one, I’ll repeat the question that scared the others off: was Bob Byrd capable of rehabilitation? And if so, how is it that John Lewis is not capable of taking an opposite trajectory — other than the false and tendentious claim that an adherence to progressivism is in and of itself proof of righteousness, and therefore righteousness is always a part of the progressive, regardless of whether or not he once donned a Kleagle hood and engaged in a little bit of darkie bashing, or has decided to dehumanize a group of people based on a particular cultural identity?
” The sheer number of distortions, misunderestimations, Bushian reframings and other weird ass-grabbery is astounding.”
That’s nothing a stupid pile of pompous words, uselessly farted out, with all the passion that a tired old obscenity carved into the paint of a bathroom stall inspires. It’s one more lumpy, shimmering, partially congealed dollop of brainless powdered outrage concentrate (just add water!) mix, carelessly slopped onto the lunch tray of life by the ladle of leftist indolence.
Compare and contrast: John Lewis and Clarence Thomas.
Guess which one comes in for the uppity darkie bashing most often and by the oh so tolerant left.
precisely, palaeomerus — they string this shit together like they’re writing some sort of negative movie review, knowing that the mere assertion is enough to put off the “right kinds of people.” It’s intellectually lazy, morally vapid, and socially embarrassing.
Perhaps that’s why they hide most times on moderated comment boards. The “reality-based community” can’t have dangerous oppositional ideas seeping through, lest that challenge the “reality” they’ve so carefully constructed and so insipidly and ineffectually guard.
” Or some sort of demon-stalker hybrid. A “dalker”… or a “semon”. ”
When life gives you semons make semonade.
Clarence Thomas isn’t authentic, you see. Just like Condi Rice. I remember the Joe Lieberman in blackface posts and Condi as Aunt Jemimah. All for wandering off of the (very very very white) plantation erected by progressives for keeping their chattel overseen and provided for.
Good times!
To the extent that morality to a leftist is merely a certain pose, then surely it can stand to reason that a leftist, having seen quite clearly with his own eyes John Lewis taking that pose once upon a time, can thereafter simply appeal to what he has seen. No further behavior by Lewis is necessary, or hell, even possible, since the sum and substance has already been attained — there is nothing remaining or left undone for Rep. Lewis’ embodiment of morality to correspond to.
Yup, Jeff. I remember when Ward Connerly was chancellor of the Universities of California, there was much caterwauling about his Uncle Tom-ness. He also was inauthentic, despite his Abe Lincoln like upbringing.
The Left hates them some go-getters.
Now, Alcee Hastings? Authentic!
This is the modern civil rights credentials of the partisan left today:
http://michellemalkinblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/condicartoon_1.jpg
Note the respect for accomplishments, the focus on the individual instead of an odious stereotype, and the clear point on policy that the author didn’t think was required despite his being a superior leftist with an advanced sophisticated social consciousness that supposedly puts the backward right and the racist US South to shame.
Let this be a teachable moment for the left: You only fool dumb people with your ridiculous claims of being at the moral vanguard. We see clearly who you really are and how you really think.
Most of them ignore Thomas Sowell altogether.
They probably check for him under their bed before they go to sleep, though.
And yet you haven’t pointed to so much as one of them, let alone tried to rebut any of them. Do you have a Big Brother you could send over to do your heavy work, perhaps? You suck at this.
Notice that Dr. Ben Carson, once a black Superman, can no longer be referred to without “Fox News Contributor” attached. He’s no longer the role model he ought to be to children of all colors, now he’s just another house nigger, sold out to Rupert Murdoch.
I despise these progressive scum. Bring your best, bitches, and don’t say you weren’t warned.
Recalling Condi Rice to mind I find best undertaken in this fashion — it’s pleasanter that way.
Bushian reframings
Is that anything like “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”? Or “I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term”? Or the one about closing Gitmo? Or… well, there are too many to list here.
I ask merely for information. I would also like you to point out all the places where you blamed Clinton for any of Bush’s policy failings. Because, hypocrisy alert.
When are the troops coming home? That’s the one I’m waiting on.
whose well earned status
hi cindy sheehan how’s that baracky encampment working out. lies, damn lies, proggtards
What about unemployment? Obama acted like it was straight up hell when it was 5% under GWB. It’s twice that now. I mean, wtf?
jewelbomb bleated:
Rather than dealing with the substance of my post, it’s easier to mumble some nonsense about how “reading is fundamental” and dismiss me as troll, which apparently has come to mean someone who disagrees with you.
The “substance” of your post demonstrates that you did not, in fact, read what Jeff actually wrote and use it as an excuse to make a “how dare you” screech.
Oh and it’s funny how trolls bleat about how they’re called that because they “disagree” with their accuser. It’s actually your general stupidity and behavior like your eager use of the childish “teabagger” slur that makes you one. HTH. HAND.
Hm. Someone dumped an entire batch of clones onto the blog.
Jeff, you hit a nerve. How dare you call out an “icon” like John Lewis for cynically using the past to smear a bunch of people he hates? It’s… blasphemy.
Or something.
It’s not, but we might tolerate you for a bit if you eat your vegetables and don’t spit on the sidewalk.
jeweltwit bleats:
Your implied threats of violence against those with whom you disagree are truly fetching.
AFTER it bleated
Until you’ve had the shit kicked out of you for asserting your right to be a human being, you don’t really have any ground upon which to stand.
Working nights has it’s disadvantages: I miss the unintentional comedy like this and have to leave a bunch of comments at the end of the thread.
Jewel bleated:I never said that anyone is not fit to comment on other’s opinions until they have met with violence.
Now, now. These drones don’t have much in the way of memory retention. Only enough to store teh Narrative of the moment. So it probably doesn’t remember writing that.
Plus the concept of scrolling up and seeing what they wrote earlier is beyond them.
…followed by jewelbomb flailing like mad and whingeing like a victim when it’s targets don’t shrink away in fear like mainstream Republicans do.
Poor little drone.
Well, looking at that blog was a few minutes I’ll never get back.
There’s an awful lot of violent imagery over there, too. That’s not nice, wankers.
Rat bastard Tea Party people (that don’t exist) being mean to the 1939 Nazis again. Good thing CNN is on the case.
Pwn3d by the phoney senator. Good job!
an arsonist in a field of strawmen
Thanks, but we can scroll down and read the rest of your post. No need for the warning of your intentions.
“oyveyseriously” you left off you white guys.you effin’ racist!!11!!
“oyveyseriously” a laurie penny for your “thoughts”
“oyveyseriously”
STEELY DAN, Razor Boy
Because of the bribings. And the getting kicked off the bench by both the House (impeachment) and Senate (conviction). What could possibly be more authentically black to a progfascist?
I wonder if there are other things John Lewis can do that will get people rushing to his defense because he’s such a wonderful civil rights icon?
Drowning puppies? Kicking kittens? Sacrificing infants to Ba’al? Running with scissors?
I mean if lying about people is “okay” in prog eyes because the liar in question is a “civil rights icon” what else can the liar do?
charter ’77
KATY LIED BY STEELY DAN (FULL ALBUM) 1975
palaeomerus, re: “That’s nothing a stupid pile of pompous words, uselessly farted out, with all the passion that a tired old obscenity carved into the paint of a bathroom stall inspires. It’s one more lumpy, shimmering, partially congealed dollop of brainless powdered outrage concentrate (just add water!) mix, carelessly slopped onto the lunch tray of life by the ladle of leftist indolence.”
That was really funny, and probably about 30% true. It really wasn’t as arch as you and Jeff have framed it however.
If you’re open to a full-on serious discussion I’m up for it with you and Jeff. Happy to engage on facts…but not so much on distortions.
By the way my post wasn’t in any way written in a sarcastic voice. I get that isn’t how you took it, but please re-read it and drop the filters. I really think Tea Party folks are angry, but I feel they’ve been fed misinformation. Heaps of it in fact, and the huge challenge on the right and left is that people tend to go to read people who agree with them and it becomes a circle jerk.
I decided to engage here in a place where I really felt Jeff is misplacing his rage.
I grew up in a place where I was (arguably) a targeted minority and while the majority was targeting people like me, the people who they really should have been attacking got off scot free.
So really the problem here is not Health Care it seems – it’s what you guys feel it represents and beyond really badly used words like socialism and communism, how you feel it impinges upon your rights.
I want to understand without all the heated rhetoric.
Drumwaster says October 31, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Bushian reframings
Is that anything like “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”? Or “I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term”? Or the one about closing Gitmo? Or… well, there are too many to list here.
I ask merely for information. I would also like you to point out all the places where you blamed Clinton for any of Bush’s policy failings. Because, hypocrisy alert.
“If you like your plan you can keep your plan” refers to the vast majority of plan holders. I think it was either deceptive or in artful. I think the outrage reaction is disproportionate…and remember when Medicare part D was put in place? I don’t recall any Democrats spending the rest of their days trying to scuttle the new law…
“I will cut the deficit in half…” well I think Bush screwed the pooch very badly which resulted in this broken promise. I won’t totally blame Bush though…but he really deserves much of it.
Closing Gitmo – totally on point here. It’s unconscionable that it is still open. Obama should (and I don’t know what really goes on in there, but I’m happy to say) grow some balls and close the fucking place already.
I didn’t blame Clinton for not going after Bin Laden….and really you’re attacking someone in your head – not me.
So really the problem here is not Health Care it seems
healthcare costs i can easily pay out of pocket so next year I think I’m a not have a policy
i only been to the doctor three times in 13 years and that was all for to quit smoking, which wasn’t covered anyway
but if I need to go to the doctor I can just pay monies for next year, and since I never get a tax refund the federal government can’t penalize me
this way I can save some monies for when I want to get covered maybe the year after – my understanding is that premiums are going through the roof!
run run rudolph sarah save the christmas
floatin down the flint river catch yourself a lil catfish dinner
Except that administration officials are on record from early in the post-enactment phase expecting the majority to be unable to keep their plans. Obama kept repeating it like a mantra. It wasn’t “inartful,” it was a flat out, deliberate lie.
It was an expansion of the federal government, and one they had been calling for. Whereas Obamacare? Not something the GOP base wanted. Ever.
Happyfeet: “healthcare costs i can easily pay out of pocket so next year I think I’m a not have a policy i only been to the doctor three times in 13 years and that was all for to quit smoking, which wasn’t covered anyway but if I need to go to the doctor I can just pay monies for next year, and since I never get a tax refund the federal government can’t penalize me this way I can save some monies for when I want to get covered maybe the year after – my understanding is that premiums are going through the roof!”
The notion that premiums are going through the roof is a huge distortion. Did you see the three couples on Hannity talking about how their premiums were spiking? One said he couldn’t afford to hire people because of the ACA?
Each one of them was fact checked and found to be lying or distorting their position. When they looked deeper, all three would have saved money under the ACA, so these tales of premiums going through the roof is a Republican distortion.
But I get it…if people sign in and realize they’re going to get greater coverage for less money, they’ll love the ACA and that would be poisonous to the right…thus the faux outrage which is fanning the flames of the Tea Party faithful.
Problem is it ain’t true…
McGehee,
Point one is a lot more complicated than many people are willing to admit. The real problem is for 8 years anything Bush said I took with a grain of salt. Now the shoe is on the other foot and when Obama says something, some people (perhaps including you) will take the quote and beat the shit out of him with it.
Fair enough, but again it’s a more subtle point than that. And the MAJORITY keeps their plans…and that’s always been the case as far as I can tell:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/29/david-axelrod/david-axelrod-says-vast-majority-americans-will-ke/
To your second point, you’re kinda sidestepping what I’m saying. The sheer level of obstructionism that the Tea Party fed Republicans are engaged in is truly ridiculous. What is astounding is that, okay I won’t lump anyone in here, Ted Cruz is transparently fake. He’s as ‘authentic’ as…what…as Cheney’s daughter’s Wyoming gambit.
The guy is torpedoing the Republican party for purely personal reasons.
When the Democrats lost they may have pulled a bit of bullshit, granted, but the level of obstructionism here is truly nuts. Voting to defund a law..what 40 odd times? That’s not principled – that’s just sucking up to people who think it’s principled. It’s really aimed at the deep core true believers..the delusional.
Thing is the ACA is passed law. Get over it and educate yourselves when the (oh my god don’t get me started fucking horrorshow of a) website is actually running…
They were “fact checked” by TPM. Take that for what you will.
Oh brother. Another “it’s the law of the land!” type.
no I do not watch cable news stop the inHannities
i think it’s obvious premiums are going up cause you’re jacking up the demand for the healthcares by sprinkling it all over the smelly food stampers, while at the same time you are limiting supply cause doctors are saying fuck this shit I’m out of here
so if I know premiums are going to soar, the only way to hedge against that is to drop out for awhile while I can afford it… while I’m still healthy and before supreme judgeslut John Robertses beloved tax penalties get teeth
I’ve already lost my doctor. I’ve already seen my coverage get worse (higher deductables). I’ve already seen my premiums spike, and all of this since the passage of ACA. Oh, and I count myself among the lucky, because
I love how these trolls act like they can deny a prediction that for many of us has already happened.
Edit fix:
I count myself among the lucky, because I don’t have to deal with the exchange site.
Until the plan changes. If the premium goes up, as premiums do — especially when a new law anticipates massive new participation by young people, and they don’t participate. Or if new benefits have to be added because the law says so. Or any one of a million different things happens, either as a natural consequence of life in a changing economy, or as an unnatural consequence of a stupid law foisted on America by one party over the unanimous objections of the other and its supporters.
So no — what you’re bringing into this conversation is at the very least obsolete allegations of fact refuted by subsequent revelations.
Leigh – they were not fact checked by TPM.
Once upon a time, so was “separate but equal.” So was the Fugitive Slave Act.
The Left’s reverence for passed law doesn’t seem to extend to California’s Proposition 8…
And here’s something to chew on that’s germaine to the discussion. Another fact check of Cavallaro who didn’t look into her options but instead did the rounds on new shows.
Deborah Cavallaro is a hard-working real estate agent in the Westchester suburb of Los Angeles who has been featured prominently on a round of news shows lately, talking about how badly Obamacare is going to cost her when her existing plan gets canceled and she has to find a replacement.
She says she’s angry at President Obama for having promised that people who like their health plans could keep them, when hers is getting canceled for not meeting Obamacare’s standards.
“Please explain to me,” she told Maria Bartiromo on CNBC Wednesday, “how my plan is a ‘substandard’ plan when … I’d be paying more for the exchange plans than I am currently paying by a wide margin.”
Bartiromo didn’t take her up on her request. So I will.
The bottom line is that Cavallaro’s assertion that “there’s nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act,” as she put it Tuesday on NBC Channel 4, is the product of her own misunderstandings, abetted by a passel of uninformed and incurious news reporters.
I talked with Cavallaro, 60, after her CNBC appearance. Let’s walk through what she told me.
Her current plan, from Anthem Blue Cross, is a catastrophic coverage plan for which she pays $293 a month as an individual policyholder. It requires her to pay a deductible of $5,000 a year and limits her out-of-pocket costs to $8,500 a year. Her plan also limits her to two doctor visits a year, for which she shoulders a copay of $40 each. After that, she pays the whole cost of subsequent visits.
This fits the very definition of a nonconforming plan under Obamacare. The deductible and out-of-pocket maximums are too high, the provisions for doctor visits too skimpy.
As for a replacement plan, she says she was quoted $478 a month by her insurance broker, but that’s a lot more than she’ll really be paying. Cavallaro told me she hasn’t checked the website of Covered California, the state’s health plan exchange, herself. I did so while we talked.
Here’s what I found. I won’t divulge her current income, which is personal, but this year it qualifies her for a hefty federal premium subsidy.
At her age, she’s eligible for a good “silver” plan for $333 a month after the subsidy — $40 a month more than she’s paying now. But the plan is much better than her current plan — the deductible is $2,000, not $5,000. The maximum out-of-pocket expense is $6,350, not $8,500. Her co-pays would be $45 for a primary care visit and $65 for a specialty visit — but all visits would be covered, not just two.
Is that better than her current plan? Yes, by a mile.
If she wanted to pay less, Cavallaro could opt for lesser coverage in a “bronze” plan. She could buy one from the California exchange for as little as $194 a month. From Anthem, it’s $256, or $444 a year less than she’s paying now. That buys her a $5,000 deductible (the same as she’s paying today) but the out-of-pocket limit is lower, $6,350. Office visits would be $60 for primary care and $70 for specialties, but again with no limit on the number of visits. Factor in the premium savings, and it’s hard to deny that she’s still ahead.
Cavallaro told me a couple of things that are worth considering. First, what she likes about her current plan is that she can go to any doctor of her choice and any hospital. That’s not entirely true, because her current plan with Anthem does favor a network. Plainly, however, it’s broad enough to serve her purposes. She’s concerned that the new plans will offer smaller networks, which is probably true, though it’s not necessarily true that the new networks will exclude her favorite doctors, hospitals or prescription formularies.
She also mentioned that her annual income fluctuates. It can be substantially lower, or substantially higher, than it is this year. What if next year she earns too much to qualify for the subsidy? Also a fair point — at her current income, the subsidy is worth more than $200 a month to her. But that’s not the same as saying that “there’s nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act,” because at her current income, the act is vastly more affordable to her than what she’s paying now.
When she told Channel 4 that “for the first time in my whole life, I will be without insurance,” it’s hard to understand what she was talking about. (Channel 4 didn’t ask.) Better plans than she has now are available for her to purchase today, some of them for less money.
The sad truth is that Cavallaro has been very poorly served by the health insurance industry and the news media. It seems that Anthem didn’t adequately explain her options for 2014 when it disclosed that her current plan is being canceled. If her insurance brokers told her what she says they did, they failed her. And the reporters who interviewed her without getting all the facts produced inexcusably shoddy work — from Maria Bartiromo on down. They not only did her a disservice, but failed the rest of us too.
McGehee says November 1, 2013 at 8:22 am
I would be interested in seeing the numbers on that MAJORITY if the ACA hadn’t specifically excluded collective bargaining obtained plans, and Obama hadn’t unilaterally delayed portions of the law.
ooh an anecdote
how illustrative!
If you’re going to copy/paste big blocks of lame argument, at least credit the person or entity doing your thinking for you.
something’s wrong when you have to find 5 goddamn remotes just to hear your catfish dinner song
And yet, it is insurance that actually works like insurance.
The problem with health care insurance is that too many plans don’t work like actual insurance. That’s why it’s so expensive, and why carriers work so hard not to cover catastrophic care — they’re paying out too much on routine claims.
If all insurance worked like most health policies do, I would bill my auto insurance for a fill-up, and my homeowner’s policy to pay the kid down the street for mowing my lawn.
Obamacare hardens this distortion instead of fixing it.
oyveyseriously,
I say three (3) stories yesterday claiming that the persons who lost their insurance were lying liars who lied. All three stories were bylined by lib news aggregators—one was by Alan Colmes.
Seconding mondamay: citation on giant block o’ text.
Repetition of lies doesn’t make them truth.
On the lefthand sidebar is a list of Jeff’s archives. Read and then come back.
Your tears for the tragic future of a party you have no use for, are duly noted.
push push in the bush
Hey, where did the chew toy go?
I’m still waiting for one of these people to, you know, actually address those issues Jeff brought up in his open letter.
It’s like dealing with people who don’t actually understand english.
“Do you stock a drivers side axle for a 2003 Nissan pathfinder ?”
“You want caliper for Ford escort?”
“No. I need a price on a drivers side axle for a 2003 Nissan.”
“You want rotor for Nissan?”
“Forget it.”
Such as: “it depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is” is”? That was a good one.
Keyword analysis complete: http://www.tagxedo.com/artful/562d472186b14fc9
Nothing to see here. Just love.
Alartibartfast says November 1, 2013 at 10:05 am
germainegermane
I stand corrected – apologies. I must have been channelling the Jackson Five…
Bushian reframings
Such as: “it depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is” is”? That was a good one.
No but that was a spectacular bit of bullshit wasn’t it? Clinton’s wriggling was really disgusting.
I mean when Rove talked about Suskind being part of the reality based community – putting it right out there that they were going to create their own reality and react accordingly.
The real problem is that everything Bush said, the Left widely and nastily reviled. This is just holding Obama to the same standards, except for the Chimperor drawings which would be racist in this context and not allowed.
Letting Obama off would be racist, right? I mean, equal opportunity and all that. And it’s not as if he hasn’t attempted to channel Harry Truman on numerous occasions; why not hold him to it?
McGehee says November 1, 2013 at 8:37 am
The guy is torpedoing the Republican party for purely personal reasons.
Your tears for the tragic future of a party you have no use for, are duly noted.
Neither tragedy nor tears.
However I have concern for the good of the United States.
leads to a box with a red “X” in it. Impressive.
Reframing stinks of Lakoff. Which rhymes with? That’s right, onanism.
Hiltzik, is that you sockpuppeting AGAIN?
Slartibartfast says November 1, 2013 at 10:22 am
Keyword analysis complete:
leads to a box with a red “X” in it. Impressive.
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It’s the level of critical thinking we’ve come to expect from Steve.
SLart – what browser are you using? Opera?
IE8
http://worditout.com/word-cloud/291837
Anticlimactic. Worthless. Equivalent in value to a box with a red “X” in it.
hellomynameissteve says November 1, 2013 at 10:18 am –
Wow. Words.
Well, I’m convinced!
Next time shape them into one of those scary black gun shapes that makes you libs wet yourselves. Then you’ll really be communicating!
I like how much “disgrace” shows up. But you’re really going to want more “slave”. Trust me guys.
Somebody is shooting up the LA airport right now. Just heard on the radio.
However I have concern for the good of the United States.
Just none of the residents therein or the freedoms they once had. Got it. Bill Maher phrased it as “I love America. It’s Americans I can’t stand.”
Oyvey’s little debunking was then debunked. I posted on it yesterday. The LAT tried to walk back its earlier story. Failed.
Keep in mind something here as well: the generic rates are based on lies 26-49 used generic 27-year-olds; 50-over used generic 50-year-olds.
The whole thing is a fraud and a lie.
No but that was a spectacular bit of bullshit wasn’t it? Clinton’s wriggling was really disgusting.
Whereas, Obama? “Artful.”
“What he really meant was that if you liked your plan that offered maternity care to widowed grandfathers, but not his 20-something granddaughter, you can keep that scam-disguised-as-insurance. At least, until the rates are raised sufficiently that they are no longer qualify as ‘grandfathered’, and it gets cancelled, but that’s the insurance company writing those rules, not the Democrats in Congress (without a single GOP vote). That’s what he REALLY meant.”
Yes, palaeo. They used a “high powered rifle” instead of a low-powered rifle.
I like how much “disgrace” shows up. .
If the shoe fits…
But you’re really going to want more “slave”. Trust me guys.
Ibid, but nice of you to admit it.
“I want to understand without all the heated rhetoric.”
Then why are you here to defend John Lewis’ unreasonable, gratuitous use of heated and dishonest rhetoric by yowling about how wrong it is to criticize his current poor actions in light of his prior excellent ones that he has turned his back to ? Why did you lead off with heated rhetoric?
Drumwaster says November 1, 2013 at 11:14 am – If the shoe fits…
I can’t believe how many disgraces showed up, just in this thread alone.
Why did you lead off with heated rhetoric?
Rules are always for the other guy.
Case in point, I am now considered an “extremist” for insisting that Obama live up to his own law, without all the exceptions and waivers he has no right to issue, and without any delays even after the multiple-traincrash-that-IS the website. (I mean, they only had 3 years to build a website designed to do just a single thing, and it fails on Day One. Hell, even WinME did better than that.)
“What he really meant was that if you liked your plan”
The people can’t really know if they like something until they free their minds from the false consciousness that distorts their perceptions and keeps them from recognizing their true interests in the class struggle. Until then they need to be guided by the One’s superior transformational viewpoint. Duh.
I own a low-powered rifle.
You’re no less dead if you’re killed by my Marlin .22LR, though.
helloournamesaresteve seem to think there’s something sinister in saying unhappy things about something that makes hundreds of millions of people unhappy.
You should. We all do.
But if you think Ted Cruz is the problem, you have no clue what the problem is.
I hope that wasn’t supposed to be any sort of genuine attempt to critique, because if so: epic fail.
Precisely, McG.
If you word-salad MLK’s “I have a dream” speech, the biggest word is “Negro”.
I win.
Sinister, that’s left-handed, isn’t it? So roughly indicative of what, say 7 to 10 % of the world population? ClownDisaster, we note, is one of the sinister. But at least he’s capable of maintaining a beard, by choice.
Without question. Kudos.
Stevebycommittee, at least tell us something about you that might make you likeable.
I missed the Wonkett trollop, but agree fully with the original letter Jeff G posted above and this followup.
John Lewis struggled to earn respect the hard way; he fought the good fight against Democrats who would’ve kept him segregated. Then, he turned right around and pissed that respect away when he became enslaved to the far-Left Democratic Party and their ‘Great Society’. If only he’d kept his wits about him, and not followed the proffered easy money, he’d still be a worthy.
My hat’s off to the man he once was; my finger’s up to the man he is now.
Oh, speaking of LBJ and what all he purchased with his ‘Great Society’ program that’s enslaved so many Americans today, this quote seems apropos…
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