Only, I guess they wanted to shut down the government first, hassle some vets, close some parks, then let timid GOP establishment types run from the fight, disavow those “wacko birds” in their ranks who led it, and position themselves politically not as the Party that saved some Americans — at least temporarily — from the debacle that ObamaCare has already shown itself to be. This, we were told, was what the “grownups” in the room brought to the table: a willingness not to stand on principle.
Or, if you prefer, look at it this way: by backstabbing Cruz and Lee in the Senate and conservatives in the House, and by cutting a deal (that I’m sure Boehner was thankful for) that helped circumvent the TEA Party caucus, our GOP establishment has given Schumer and the Dems the opportunity to transfer the power of the purse over to the Executive (the “McConnell Rule”!) while simultaneously missing out on an opportunity to stand up for the American people and force Obama to relent, or continue his refusal to relent, in the face of a technological and social nightmare that would have highlighted his and Harry Reid’s desire to harm the citizenry rather than negotiate with Congress over what is obviously an egregious health insurance mess.
Well played, smart set! Very Madisonian!
Let’s face it: so long as McConnell, McCain, Cornyn, Boehner, Cantor, Alexander, McCarthy, et al remain the GOP leadership, then GOP leadership will remain an oxymoron.
With an emphasis on the last two syllables.
Hey, I know some very nice morons, and none of them are mentally deficient enough to pull some of the circular firing squad BS seen out of DC recently…
Glancing at the growing list of Democrat defectors, I reckon we might predict the next one to follow by perusing this other list of Senators up for relection in 2014.
Merckly? Warner? Schatz? Reed?
sdferr, of course, the GOP will make common cause with the Democrats and run an “electable” candidate against the defector.
Jeff wrote: …then GOP leadership will remain an oxymoron.
You mean morons on oxycontin?…cause that makes sense.
Jeff wrote: Well played, smart set! Very Madisonian!
Indeed…but not in the way you think.
‘Madison’ means ‘son of Maud’.
Now ‘Maud’ is the way it was spelled in Old English.
‘Maude’ is the way it is spelled today.
Maude was an obnoxious douchebag on a Norman Lear TV show who had an abortion.
So…if you’re saying the GOP Establishment are the Sons Of Maude [ie: abortions], then I agree with you [‘and then there’s Maude’].
I need to lay down now.
Which is why a traditionalist like myself always rolls his eyes when I hear of someone proudly naming his or her daughter that…
I do too, Mondamay…and they call me a smart ass for pointing out the truth to them [I prefer to think of myself as a wise arse].
Better a smart/wise one than a dumb one…
“Democrats want delay that TEA Party extremists previously offered them ”
Women, minorities, and mynameissteve hardest hit…
40% of CareFirst Customers in VA, MD, D.C. Lose Insurance Due to Obamacare
Tis true, Drumwaster.
Question: Because I’m half-Italian, does that mean I’m a Wise Guy Arse???
Estimate: 16 Million Americans Will Lose Current Coverage Because of Obamacare
Not Reed. Obama could walk around setting babies on fire with Reed handing him matches and it wouldn’t cost Reed a vote.
Yep, I kinda figured he’s in the bucket with Durbin, Markey, and Coons, but stuck him in the short list anyhow so’s I didn’t have to include Franken to make a foursome.
The only reason the tea party wanted a delay was to buy time to kill it. No one seriously believes you guys just wanted to ensure a smoother roll out.
Sooner or later, Slaphead, you’re going to have to accept that your guys screwed the pooch on this big time.
Why not now? It’s like ripping off a bandaid.
I’m still wondering how an alleged 1%er like yourself justifies saving money on his insurance at the expense of the 99%ers who will see their rates go up.
The only reason the tea party wanted a delay was to buy time to kill it.
They had two conditions to the funding of ObamaCare:
1) that the one-year delay Obama had given to his donors and cronies be applied to everyone, and
2) that even Congress and its staff be required to obey the same law as everyone else in the country.
Obama and Reid shut down the government over such clearly unfair demands.
Interesting question: where did the money come from to pay for all those Barry-cades and National Park enforcement agents?
No one seriously believes you guys just wanted to ensure a smoother roll out.
proggtard your whole shit stinks to high allan. go behead some tea bagger.
The hilarious thing is that if Bumbles gives the delay now, he will be revealing the Establishment Republicans and himself as a petty tyrant, all in a stroke!
(ProTip: He didn’t have the authority to re-write the legislation the first times, which means he has violated his oath of office, and violated the Constitution. Which means he also doesn’t have the authority to re-write it this time, and any so-called Executive Order would be just as illegal as if he had ordered his Secret Service to start murdering random civilians.)
IOW, the law you are raving about is not the same one he signed, and you are aiding and abetting his sedition after the fact, knowing that he is violating both the law he signed and the oath he took. How do you plead?
So drum, if Obama had agreed to those conditions the tea party would have stood aside and let it take effect in a year?
*revealing the quisling timidity of Establishment*
SBP, prior to obamacare insurance rates were going up at 10+% per year. Something you guys were fine with.
So drum, if Obama had agreed to those conditions the tea party would have stood aside and let it take effect in a year?
You think that 4 years could have solved what three years has not? Since he got the full funding, then I am all for full enforcement on all citizens and residents, forthwith. And Obama has no authority to amend the law to issue any delay in the first place…
So how are you going to defend his violation of the Separation of Powers?
SBP, prior to obamacare insurance rates were going up at 10+% per year
So we now raise that 10% to a whopping 100% and force everyone to buy some! PROGRESS!
So drum, if Obama had agreed to those conditions the tea party would have stood aside and let it take effect in a year?
good allan dude the baracky does not negotiate with “hostage takers” or val gal
if Obama had agreed to those conditions
The funny thing is that you accept that there are some people who should be excused from the requirements of the law for no other reason than because Obama says so, and you are perfectly okay with this? I ask merely for the establishment of precedent.
prior to obamacare insurance rates were going up at 10+% per year. </i?
after obamacare 20,000,ooo lost their "health care" ahole
“ellomynameissteve says October 24, 2013 at 8:55 pm
SBP, prior to obamacare insurance rates were going up at 10+% per year. Something you guys were fine with.”
I’ll take ‘Ted Kennedy’s 1973 HMO reforms of employer heathcare benefits ‘for $200 Alex.
eggs omelets for the baracky clowns
“hellomynameissteve says October 24, 2013 at 8:27 pm
The only reason the tea party wanted a delay was to buy time to kill it. No one seriously believes you guys just wanted to ensure a smoother roll out.”
Yeah but the thing is now everyone sees what we wanted to kill and realizes exactly why we wanted to kill it.
prior to obamacare insurance rates were going up at 10+% per year.
yo hack rates are declining now because PEEPS CAN”T GET THE SHIT AT YOUR WEB FARCE”
mynameissoros
tarred/feathered use squid™ products
Do they still sew people into an old sail and then slap at them them with oars for falling asleep on night watch? Probably not.
“Something you guys were fine with.”
You, of course, have evidence that everyone here was “fine with” insurance rates going up 10% per year, right, liebot?
You, specifically, are apparently fine with the rates in Oregon going up 24-54%, this year alone, right, liebot?
http://www.forbes.com/special-report/2013/what-will-obamacare-cost-you-map.html
Insurance is one of the most heavily regulated businesses in the US yet costs keep going up.
So, the solution is, wait for it, more government regulation.
Some morons are oxier than others, but hellomynameisumwhatismynameanyway is also incontinent.
Forbes: Rates go up 24%!!! (but include drug coverage. Oh, we forgot to mention that.)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/04/interactive-map-in-13-states-plus-d-c-individual-health-premiums-will-increase-by-an-average-of-24/
Drum, that’s a lie and you’re a liar. You think it’s unconstitutional and want it repealed.
For the record, I’d like all presidents to follow the constitution (and by that, I mean, as it’s generally understood by the executive, legislative, and judicial branch – not some version of the constitution you imagine that doesn’t allow an FDA or EPA). You guys want Democratic presidents to follow the constitution, but Republicans to be more expedient, unless you’d like to dig out your vociferous objections to the patriot act under Bush.
Oh, wait:
https://www.google.com/search?q=patriot+act+site%3Aproteinwisdom.com&espv=210&es_sm=91&sa=X&ei=1ulpUur5IMSaiQLZyoDIDw&ved=0CB8QpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F2007&tbm=#es_sm=91&espv=210&q=patriot+act+site:proteinwisdom.com&tbas=0
Maybe y’all should have got on the same side as the ACLU back then – but those were different times, and a different party in the white house, so nothing to see THERE – just move along.
This one’s particularly awesome!
https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=2095
And this one:
https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=5619
Too bad the really old posts here seem to have been lost.
Shorter hellomynameissomestupidnamepickedoutofaphonebook:
Look, SQUIRREL!
Standard playbook: Ignore. Deny. Make counter-accusations.
You are also conflating Jeff and I. There is a bit of a difference. (ProTip: he’s the one who owns the site, I just comment and point out stupidity whenever I see it. You seem to have a plethora.)
Second, what does the Patriot act have to do with the failure of ObamaCare, unless this is just a poor attempt at tu quoque, while offering no real equivalency, hoping that the accusation of me being a liar (for daring to suggest that a President who swore to uphold the laws, and who then sued the States to force them to STOP enforcing those same laws, et alia, might be acting in a manner inconsistent with that oath) would be enough to confuse the issue and let the attempt slip by unnoticed?
I await the explanation and offer of proof with barely bated breath.
“Rates go up 24%!!! (butbut include drug coverage. Oh, we forgot to mention that.)”
That’s 24-54%. You only get the 24% if you’re a healthy kid. Which you aren’t.
They include a 4,000-12,000 deductible! Oh, you forgot to mention that.
http://www.healthpocket.com/healthcare-research/infostat/obamacare-expands-drug-coverage-but-out-of-pocket-expenses-go-up/#.Umn0QpTU0nU
“First, many plans apply the deductible against drug costs so that the full price of drugs must be paid by the enrollee until the deductible is satisfied. ”
It’s like everything else with Zero Care: you get to pay hundreds out of pocket every month for NOTHING. You only get “coverage” after you’ve spent thousands.
I’m not even going to address your attempts to change the subject.
“Some morons are oxier than others,”
I was trying to think up a pun involving OxyClean, but he’s really more of a ShamWow! guy, I think.
You guys want Democratic presidents to follow the constitution, but Republicans to be more expedient, unless you’d like to dig out your vociferous objections to the patriot act under Bush.
Oh, and the Patriot Act also survived constitutional challenges, so your attempt to paint Bush as someone who violated his oath of office (like Bumbles did) is yet another massive pile of fail.
You want to know another law that survived constitutional challenges before Bumbles stated that he would not enforce the law (which was specifically mentioned in that oath, I believe) because he unilaterally declared it unConstitutional? The Federal DOMA, signed by Bill Clinton.
Amazing how LAW OF THE LAND only applies to the things you like, innit?
geez, myinaneissteve sure sounds like timmy
or just that leftylyingtrolls have no imagination due to being absorbed by the collective …
and by that, I mean, as it’s generally understood by the executive, legislative, and judicial branch – not some version of the constitution you imagine that doesn’t allow an FDA or EPA
Can you show me where the Constitution says that unelected workers for independent agencies under the Executive Branch has the authority to make law? Article or Amendment and Section, please. Because I have looked carefully, and I just can’t seem to find it anywhere…
Case in point: IRS (Amendment 16)
Your turn.
There’s a reason why I use cloning as a way to describe them.
Maybe I should try the term homunculi to add a little spice to it?
Senate candidate Michelle Nunn (D-Georgia): off the ship.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/330443-hagan-becomes-latest-red-state-dem-to-call-for-obamacare-delay
Representatives Rick Nolan (D-Minnesota), Gerry Connolly (D-Virginia) and Gene Green (D-Texas): off the ship.
http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-website-rollout-democrats-joe-manchin-mandate-delay-2013-10
“Drum, that’s a lie and you’re a liar. You think it’s unconstitutional and want it repealed.”
Ooh! Ooh! Why don’t you put him on one of your dumb fucking lists that no one cares about ? Then you can declare yourself the winner like some hyper active seven year old and convince no one anywhere of anything (beyond what a feckless, annoying, compulsive yet impotent little dunce you are).
You think it’s unconstitutional and want it repealed
These two things are actually antithetical. If it were unConstitutional, it would be null and void, and wouldn’t need to be repealed.
Man, you can’t even get it right when you are building your straw men!
Once you’ve been to “Camp Obama” your life will never be the same, or your own either.
Not exactly nothing. It’s catastrophic coverage at super-duper full coverage prices. You pay for the BMW and they deliver the “Trabi.”
@geoffb: Maybe I should compare them to the Cyclops Army from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, having them spew prog talking points while lurching towards people instead of what they were saying in the anime.
At best…
Sen. Obama warned about Patriot Act abuses. President Obama proved him right.
While we’re on the subject:
Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
hellomynameissteve says October 24, 2013 at 8:55 pm
SBP, prior to obamacare insurance rates were going up at 10+% per year. Something you guys were fine with.
– See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51686#comments
Considering, under the new Obama exchange, my rates will go up over 100%, I’ll take the ten per cent.
But my real question for you is:
What is it about fascism that you find so compelling? I’d really like an answer.
Here’s the thing about the Patriot Act: it was passed with bipartisan support, and I fucking hate the thing, and I would like it to go away.
Obama, on the other hand, is using it as his playtoy.
Buckstoppage-avoidance: what the Left screamed about until their guy turned out to be a Jedi Master at it.
@Patrick
This would fly right past me as my knowledge of the genre ends around 2000 with things like “Lain” and “Excel Saga.” Using the series of my avatar, “Camp Obama” is a small scale real world actualization of SEELE’s “Human Instrumentality Project.”
It’s obvious that Slaphead would rather talk about anything than Zero Care at this point. I would recommend not indulging him.
Note that Slaphead still hasn’t signed up for that “awesome” coverage from the woman-hating God-botherers at Providence. I’m sure he’ll be getting right on that any time now.
Your President needs you, Slappy! Your President needs 7 million paying customers (not, I repeat not new Medicaid enrollees) before January or the house of cards collapses.
Hint: he’s not going to get them.
Obamacare’s Hispanic Website Features Asians – Not Hispanics
So we’re all going to be turned into Tang?
It’s very compliant, and every glass is the same as every other one, unlike the wild stuff.
Is it asking too much to want to see Ted Cruz stand up and say, “No deferments, no delays, Mr. President. LAW OF THE LAND, MUTHAFUKKA!”
I guess steve had to go take a poop.
I’m sure he’ll be back any minute.
Gee, hellomynameisfillintheblank showed up again. So, how about those credentials? I’ll help you:
1. My occupation is _________. 2. My level of education is __________. 3. I have a degree(s) in __________. 4. I earned my degree(s) at __________. 5. Here is something you don’t know about me that might make me likeable __________.
I make $250k a year.
Honest. In round figures, naturally. Rounding up. Ok, rounding up a LOT.
Yes it is.
I think we could probably force ’em to enroll in 0-care without the benefit of the extra-constitutional subsidy the President gave them and their staffers, though.
That ought to be good for a smile.
prior to obamacare insurance rates were going up at 10+% per year. Something you guys were fine with.
Late to the party, sorry.
Steve, that was a one time increase of 9% that took place last year prior to the Ocare roll-out. Ocare prohibits insurance companies from raising rates at more than 10% per annum. They saw the handwriting on the wall and being businessmen seized the moment. You’d do the same thing, seeing as you are a 1%er. One doesn’t become a robber baron by playing nice.
Bennet (D-Colorado): off the ship.
Heinrich (D-New Mexico): off the ship.
Feinstein(!) (D-California): off the ship.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/10/25/9-senate-democrats-sign-shaheen-letter-pushing-for-open-enrollment-extension/
That’s 10 solids. Three more needed to force the issue come January.
You’ve lost Feinstein, Slaphead. A well-known secret RethugliKKKan agent, to be sure.
RI Red, the last question on your list is a trick question, right?
Hmmm, interesting SBP, insofar as Feinstein, Heinrich and Bennet break the pattern of Sens. up for re-election in 2014 (as well as in the two cases (CA and NM) the looser association with so-called purple states). So rosy-fingered dawn is rising? Nah. Can’t be.
I dunno Blake. I think we all might like him a just wee bit better if we discovered he was waaaayyyy into autoerotic asphyxiation.
Humility would make him likeable.
hellomynameissteve, there is no shame in admitting that you were WRONG. From such admissions comes much growth.
Feinstein suddenly discovered that she was racist, is my theory.
I guess steve had to go take a poop.
I’m sure he’ll be back any minute
Considering how full of it he is, this might be a while…
Oh, and it is now being reported that more people have been kicked off their health insurance plans in just three states (500,000+) than have successfully applied to OCare in all 50 States (476,000). (Note: Those 476k do not yet have any insurance, they have merely been the ones to successfully fill out the applications.)
PROGRESS!
http://tinyurl.com/kvpdv2a
Ernst, not until I see a copy of the toe tag. Even then, I’d probably have to go with “if you have nothing good to say….” Sort of like I did when Ted Kennedy finally left this mortal realm.
Obama Adminsitration TOTALLY SWEARSIES that the 404Care website will be “absolutely fixed by the end of November”.
“Mr. President, which of your cabinet officers will you be throwing under the bus when this latest deadline passes without results?”
(No chance he has the grain of shame within him that would cause him to think of resigning himself, of course. Chicago thug and all…)
Meanwhile, notice how no one is talking about Fast & Furious (death of Federal agents), Benghazi (death of US Ambassador while videographer languishes in jail) or egregious IRS abuse of political opponents? Next up, AMNESTY!
Even then, I’d probably have to go with “if you have nothing good to say….” Sort of like I did when Ted Kennedy finally left this mortal realm.
My response: “He’s finally dead? Good.”
(My second thought was “Dead? How can they tell?” )
“absolutely fixed by the end of November”
The new guys are from a division of UnitedHealth, so that’s probably a step in the right direction.
I don’t think they’ll have it fixed by then, though. I’m expecting that we’re out in “scrap and rewrite from scratch” territory here.
Spies, I’m waiting for an announcement that the Zero Care plan was “ahead of its time” and sadly, will have to be shelved until further notice.
Of course, that could have been a dream.
Hmmm .
Here
I hope that works. I miss preview.
“…come sit by me.” –Dorothy Parker
Dorothy was right on in that respect and totally left in her politics.
…when Ted Kennedy finally left this mortal realm.
The only proper response…
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
“Obama Adminsitration TOTALLY SWEARSIES that the 404Care website will be “absolutely fixed by the end of November”. –
It gives the press a chance to shut up and say “I told you so” for about one month. It sounds like bullshit to you but for someone with Stockholm syndrome and a need to be in the crowd and guiltless it’s the Pavlovian equivalent of a miracle and the Holy Grail wrapped in a sugar-burrito with a bunch of cronuts.