Or, as my wife put it, Ann Coulter’s superconservative superstar essentially signed a ban on dubious parenting, depending on one’s perspective — in a further blow against religious liberty, and keeping the government out of the personal affairs of families.
If the family won’t act, politicians will. For the children! Because nobody knows your child better than a legislator in a state government. And if the government wasn’t more than capable of running your household for you, how else might we explain the tremendous success they’ve had in, for instance, the black community?
Saddest of all, you can bet your ass that there will be an outpouring of “conservative” punditry praising this move (we know who on here will be celebrating with a liberation cupcake) — which is nothing more than a cynical political manuever by Christie to position himself as national a candidate at the expense of ever-increasing conflation between the family and the government, with the government, led by fat sleezy lawyers and nameless bureaucrats, assuming the role of family patriarch and de facto household head.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie signed legislation Monday banning the controversial practice of “conversion” therapy for gay youth. It is a victory for gay rights groups that have long been trying to get the Republican governor to reverse his position on same-sex marriage.
The law forbids licensed therapists from using therapy to try to change the sexual orientation of minors. New Jersey is the second state, after California, to ban the practice.
Christie said that while he is concerned about “government limiting parental choice on the care and treatment of their own children,” he sided with expert opinion from the American Psychological Association that the practice can lead to depression, suicidal thoughts and substance abuse in teenagers.
Of course, there are millions of things that can lead to depression, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse in teens — among them, broken families; pressure from parents to do well in school; pressure from peers to engage in oral sex and sexual intercourse; the college application process; failure to make sports teams or cheerleading squads; or just plain anti-depressant medications prescribed — ironicallyl — by psychologists and doctors.
It’s like the GOP has launched a suicide mission, and when they explosion goes off in 2016, they want the biggest, most gruesomely blubbery bang for their buck.
Christie is to “conservative” as people who refer to themselves as liberals are to liberal.
This is just further proof that we are fucked: because rather than explain the liberty and autonomy and small government reasoning behind not interfering in what is clearly not the government’s bailwick, the establishment GOP has taken the easy way out and tried to adopt liberal policies that they think will win over moderate voters too stupid to be sold on the message of the proper role of government and its limitations.
And that, in turn, is because the ruling class Republicans don’t think there should be limitations. Except when it comes to raising taxes, mostly on their constituent groups.
Christie, like Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney and Bob Dole and John McCain and other Bushies, are standard bearers for this form of technocratic statism.
Which has served the GOP remarkably well.
— not their constituencies, mind you. But the party. Which moves ever left while running, campaigning, and fund raising as the only viable obstacles to an ever leftward moving statist government.
I’m pretty sure you’re being profoundly unhelpful again.
Good show, sir.
It’s like the GOP has launched a suicide mission, and when they explosion goes off in 2016, they want the biggest, most gruesomely blubbery bang for their buck.
So, it’s Chris Creosote, then?
fatty fat fat
He’s thinner around the waist because the fat has migrated into his skull.
Steward! I’d like my deck chair over here on the south side, please. And can you stop all those horns hooting and those silly people from running around, making such a frightful bother. Yes, away from all the shattered chunks of ice.
After all, the White Star Line has assured me that this ship is an unsinkable masterpiece of engineering…
“Christie said that while he is concerned about ‘government limiting parental choice on the care and treatment of their own children,’ he sided with expert opinion from the American Psychological Association that the practice can lead to depression, suicidal thoughts and substance abuse in teenagers.”
1) “Expert opinion from the APA”? They VOICE-VOTED on homosexuality in 1973–because isn’t that how science gets done?
2) Weren’t gay men already depressed and suicidal from all the poppers and stinky-poo sex BEFORE they tried therapy?
When the process completes he can switch his Party label and run as Anvil-head reincarnated.
What you wanna bet that straight to gay conversion is not just perfectly okay and legal but encouraged.
It’s not “conversion”, it’s just “experimenting” and why are you so prudish? Proctor! One more for retrogression training and realignment, chop-chop!
‘Gay conversion therapy’ defined as the years of MSM – Hollywood – Pre-K to University inundation of it on Popular Culture, for to soften American’s attitudes against what is a natural, biological aversion to gay lifestyles? Sorry, Christie, you’re too late.
For what it’s worth, NJ has a “New Jersey State Board of Cosmetology and Hairstyling”, which handles licensing of Hairstyling, Cosmetology, and Manicurists.
To be a Hairstylist, you have to complete 1,200 hours of instruction at an approved school. To be a Manicurist, 300 hours. And no doubt some hefty license and testing fees paid directly to the state. To do a thing that anyone can do adequately, with no training whatsoever. See: every Mom ever.
What I’m saying is that NJ likes themselves some heavy government regulation of things they shouldn’t necessarily give a rat’s ass about. Makes the New Jeresians all warm and fuzzy knowing that their friends and neighbors are Properly Regulated.
Hateful place. Won’t even let you pump your own gas.
What you wanna bet that straight to gay conversion is not just perfectly okay and legal but encouraged.
But of course. The gays, just like the Mexican hordes, will solidly vote 90% in favor of all Approved Candidates and Ideas, so we need as many of them as can be created/citizenified.
The straight white folk what already live here? Unreliable.
Well, it’s a good thing they didn’t license gay conversion therapists instead of banning the practice. I can’t imagine how many dicks they’d make you suck for that piece of paper.
is gay to transgender still ok in nj?
I have a question: does New Jersey law allow for the medical practice of sexual surrogacy? Interesting discussions can be had, either way…
isn’t the gay agenda kinda gay?
gay conversion therapy is same as fraud, which is already illegal
“gay conversion therapy is same as fraud”
why de gays can’t become transgendered? you be jimmy crow sir.
or in rj3.0 that be retarded sir.
I don’t even understand how this stupid law is supposed to work. Do fake gay men go to therapists and dare them to pray for them?
So, happy, do you think sex change operations should be illegal? If not,why not? Sex change operations are demonstrably fraudulent and, I’ll bet, quite a bit more expensive than gay conversion therapy.
sex change operations shouldn’t be illegal but they should be very, very expensive
happy, so, as long as it’s expensive, it’s not fraud.
And people wonder why I despair at times.
a 2fer
Palin: Obama Having ‘Gay Old Time’ While ‘All Hell’ Breaks Loose
“sex change operations shouldn’t be illegal but they should be very, very expensive”
why you prevent de gays from changing de sex?
why doesn’t fatty fat fat go after the transgender industry?
So how does signing the gay conversion bill change his stance re: same sex marriage? Did the signing pen magically grease his shoes for the inevitable slide down the slippery slope. or what?
Some people are gay because of child sexual abuse.
Treat the abuse; the gay fades away.
BAN IT! BAN IT TOOT SWEET!
There is no rationality or consistency to this kind of governance. This is government as (bad) parent stuff.
Remember: Don’t make government angry, you wouldn’t like government when it’s angry.
Blake says August 19, 2013 at 6:52 pm
as long as it’s expensive, it’s not fraud.
I think you just explained the organic food industry.
And “designer dogs”.
And a bunch of other stuff I’m not feeling creative enough to mention right now.
This bill applies to therapists who are treating children, amirite? Children who are generally considered to be little boys and girls who are not sexually aware or active. Children who, as di says, may have been abused and are now confused.
This smacks of feel good legislation that has the potential to go horribly wrong. I hope the State (or are they a Commonwealth?) of New Jersey is heavily insured when a class action suit rears its ugly head years down this road to perdition.
“This bill applies to therapists who are treating children”
with there parents consent?
Off-topic, but is anyone else having issues accessing this site via mobile browsers? I’m seeing URL not found errors for an ad network, and the subsequent main page not rendering correctly after that…
New Jersey is one of the 46 States. The Commonwealths are Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Virginia.
This actually goes to the heart of the First Amendment and demonstrates, yet again, why “pragmatic” and “compassionate” RINOs wanting just to be sure of “doing something” are worse enemies than blatant Lefty despots.
Since when does the State get to crawl into a therapist’s office and monitor the speech of the therapist behind closed doors?
Does the State get to monitor the counseling that clergy provides in the privacy of the office?
The State is ever out to run peoples lives for them
Whether or not someone wants help with sexual confusion is none of The State’s business, nor whom they wish to go to or what that latter person says to ’em.
Children who are generally considered to be little boys and girls
HOW DARE YOU condemn those nascent adults to the straight-jacket of gender binarism! I’ll have you know the obviously superior Euros are way ahead of us, as the best enlightened parenting units are correctly raising non-gender specific nascent adults. Indeed, Germany has just legalized a non-gender specific birth certificate!
History is leaving you and your crass heteronormativity behind! Change!!1!
Jesus wept with that legislation in Germany.
Is it still OK to try and get a bi-sexual teen to lean hetro?
“Bisexuality immediately doubles your chance of a date on Saturday night.” — Woody Allen
It also doubles one’s chances of catching an STI.
” Germany has just legalized a non-gender specific birth certificate!”
they be “anti science” no?
meanwhile in the O! world
Cairo Correspondent: Muslim Brotherhood Spreading Terrorism in All of Egypt
eCurmudgeon, my iPad and iPod are showing this site in a turquoise background (just faaabulous!, by the way), but my PC still has the old site colors.
The law forbids licensed therapists from using therapy to try to change the sexual orientation of minors.
Christie said that while he is concerned about “government limiting parental choice on the care and treatment of their own children,” he sided with expert opinion from the American Psychological Association that the practice can lead to depression, suicidal thoughts and substance abuse in teenagers.
Isn’t the APA the same group that said homosexuality was a mental disorder not all that long ago? If they were wrong then, why would anyone think they’re right now?
There are two APAs, Ernst. The American Psychological Society dropped homosexuality from the DSM back in the 70s, mainly because there are tons of gays who are therapists.
The American Psychiatric Association never dropped their definition of homosexuality as a disorder, to my knowledge. But I am but a lowly Psy. D. not an MD.
” he sided with expert opinion from the American Psychological Association”
are there experts on the side or just “kooks”? i luvs soviet “science”
for the pickachu:
Noam Chomsky: Palin Was Right About Obama
Which one is responsible for that God-awful, damn near useless parenthetical citation system?
for that matter the pikachu was right about obama too
he’s a fascist cunt it’s not rocket science
real c*nt 2016 s. palin
That would be the American Psychological Association with its evil DSM-V (I believe that’s the updated version). They also require all of their position papers to be submitted in MLA format.
Heartless.
oh my
Nonprofit executive overseeing the White House’s Obamacare youth video contest is the disgraced ACORN group’s former top lobbyist
Christie said that while he is concerned about “government limiting parental choice on the care and treatment of their own children,” he isn’t nearly so concerned as he is about those rich homosexual campaign donations.
I remember when the MLA still liked end notes.
End notes suck almost as much as parenthetical citations.
is homo culture gay and anti science?
MLA – Modern Language Association: Ebonics? Esperanto? L33t?
the establishment GOP has taken the easy way out and tried to adopt liberal policies that they think will win over moderate voters too stupid to be sold on the message of the proper role of government and its limitations.
Bootlickers to the GOP like Medved insist that this strategy always works. He practically claims this is how Reagan won office. Would love to see empirical evidence of this.
Funny how moderation didn’t work out so well with McCain and Romney. Both Medved pinup boys.
Another enabler of moderate Republicans is a guy like former consultant Mike Murphy. He’s a guy responsible for a string of Republican victories! With winners in the past like Christine Todd Whitman, Mittens Romney, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Now, I can’t speak for any other state, but having lived through him, a goofball like Arnold, who claimed he did not have to answer to any special interest money or group, practically destroyed what was left of the Republican party in Clownifornia by caving in on his promises to change the state at the expense of his political career if necessary. He told us we could elect him precisely because he was beholden to no one. Instead he pooched his maid and sold out in mere months to the Democrats. So tell me again how these winning moderate candidates prevent the slide leftward. I remind you among the many liberal policies he established were green fuel initiatives. How very conservative.
Sex change operations are bad, m’kay?
Ahnold is from Austria. That should have been a large clue about him. Another was being married to a Kennedy.
But if you get one, and then find someone else who got one, and then date that person, you might get an article printed about you in the Daily Mail.
Apparently the same is true if you start out as a gender, change to the other, and then change back, claiming amnesia.
I guess now that tattooed or even bearded ladies are passe, these modern sideshows have to up the ante.
Hey, did you hear there’s a new HTTP code? Like 404 – Page not found or 500 – Server error?
It’s 451, for when the gubmint censors the page.
Get it? 451?
I didn’t.
For which I earned the scorn of the entire Engineering department (and deserved it).
dicentra says August 19, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Get it? 451?
Really? I don’t see it in my official list.
Anyone else think it might be easier to stand against a corrupt book-burning system if your job tools involved a flame-thrower?
Oops. It was at the bottom of the list. Burned by my own attempt at cleverness.
I love 418.
Stupid criminals, stupid politicos.
Now since stolen guns sell for less than $100 on the streets of NYC to criminals needing the tools of their trade but can fetch much more from a law abiding person who feels threatened how exactly would someone make money buying retail in the Carolinas and then transporting to NYC for resale?
Either the guns were stolen in the Carolinas to be resold out of State or they were retail straw purchases to be sold at very high prices to those citizens Bloomy and company like to keep disarmed as prey for the local thugs.
You really didn’t get the 451 joke?
For shame.
Jeff’s points appear inarguable, but would add that Christie is like all politicians when they get to office: They find “solving” remarkably bracing.
It matters not what political stripe they are–conservatives are as bad as anyone else (GW Bush 2001-2009)–they are all hunters in search of the problem that can be solved with a pen and paper (which is no kind of problem at all.)
In this case, Christie, a governor of a state whose political class rotates in and out of prison with some velocity, and economically is essentially six very affluent counties on top of rural Mississippi, solved a problem that precisely no one thought existed. Gay conversion therapy is absurd, the intellectual heir to radical young earth creationism; so is interfering in Constitutionally obvious private conduct to seek it out.
Bloomberg should concentrate his undercover gun-buying where the biggest source is.
She has outed herself as a metric person now.
There has never been any evidence that Bush is a conservative, whether or not the left and the media claimed it was so.
FYI, Christie isn’t one either.
Kerry decides that the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi including the Ambassador is not a big enough deal for anyone to lose their job over.
Two words you will find nowhere in the Constitution: “solve” or “problems”.
She has outed herself as a metric person now.
I am most certainly NOT a metric person.
It was Monday at 2 p.m., and you can’t expect a girl to be up to speed at that hour.
Noted for future reference. 4 p.m. eastern, okay.
Cranky,
Just so.
Check it out:
PROTESTANTISM is genetic.
I’m also a left-wing fan of Theo Dalrymple, or something.
My mother is Catholic.
If you’ll excuse me, I need to go join the Secret Police and start stamping out dissidents. It’s in the blood, ya know…
Ah yes, “polishing and parading ethical purity.” Or what a someone without ethics calls someone trying to adhere to some sort of ethical standard.
So, Mr. Bradbury is being remembered through the creation of a 451 error?
Interesting.
It’s not real.
Di, a leftie? Surely not. Reading comprehension isn’t high that fella’s list is it?
Marxism was an adaptation of Judaism
Ugh. Why does that guy propound pernicious lies? Or, what’s common to Nazi racial science and the “better” modern science of genetics? Why, science — that’s what. Duh.
Or to put it another way, the non-reflective, gross, malignant, malicious stupidity of the willful to power.
what’s common to Nazi racial science and the “better” modern science of genetics?
Now, now. Direct parallels to Nazi doctrine are just argumentum ad Hitlerum and Godwin will come pound you to sand.
I’m standing by my accusation of schizophrenia, wherein connections that don’t exist are CRYSTAL CLEAR to the clazy.
Nazi theorists weren’t capable of developing their own racial science, poor things, but merely took up what was already at hand for use as their political desires would direct (at hand for many decades, in fact), so we can’t exactly accuse them of being pan-optically sufficient to themselves. No more, perhaps, than that we should forget that Marx, bless his twisted soul, would take up what St. Simon and Hegel would provide him free of charge. But only look what Judaists those two were!
PROTESTANTISM is genetic.
Only in the sense of “what makes you think you know how to do it better than I do?” seems to be genetic. Which was how the core of Protestant religions got their start, not to mention the thousands of sectarian divisions since then…
Most of them being so similar, you have to check the sign out front to tell the difference.
What if you’re a lesbian in a man’s body? Come on, think these things through!
See my link to sex change operations above, charles.
Tab A into Slot B, folks. It’s that easy. Anything else won’t construct anything.
When in doubt, read the directions.
I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy. — Steve Martin