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Um.
So, how about that Tebow pick?
Report: Patriots Sign Tim Tebow
Home Depot Co-Founder: We Should Throw the NSA Leaker a Party
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RSM stepped in it here.
I asked him if “just following orders” was now a viable defense. No response, yet.
On Tebow going to the Patriots..if there’s anyone who can build an offense capable of using Tebow, it’s Belichick.
Perfect for Tebow, he isn’t going to beat out Brady so there is zero pressure on him, though you might see him running a wildcat at the goal line as a change of pace. If anyone can get Tebow to accept a change from QB it is probably Belichick.
Thanks, bh.
Repost from last thread on the surprising things you can learn from metadata:
http://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/
A grad school labmate did his PhD on this stuff. It’s pretty interesting.
Dem Senator: Obama Didn’t Brief Congress Like He Claimed
Stop Blaming the ‘Rogue Agents’
The myth is debunked, and key IRS officials in D.C. are quietly retiring just in time.
I don’t see anything in RSM’s response that implies anyone is just following orders. What RSM is missing is that while he wants the authorities to take steps to protect us, he is willing to believe they will not misuse any authority they have granted unto themselves For the Children™, where we are the children. I have seen far too much to trust the federal government with the authority they have already been granted, much less any authority they chose to usurp. “Shut up, they explained,” no longer cuts it for me.
Oh, and Snowden is not a hero in any sense of the word. Running off to China because he claims they have a commitment to free speech ought to disabuse almost anyone thinking of trying to lionize him.
FWIW, I have friends that have worked for Clapper and they like him, but public relations is clearly not his forte.
Oh, yeah, of course there is value in the data and they wouldn’t be bothering with it. (The fact the RSM doens’t know of any specific harm doesn’t mean squat — absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.) There are branches of SIGINT that deal not with the content of the signal but the metadata surrounding where it come from, where it went, how often it shows up, etc. One of the famous examples of this from the outisde was someone noticing that military action by the United States could be predicted by watching how many pizzas got delivered to the Pentagon after hours.
Hey, nobody is a bigger draw than Brady, and Tebow will prosper under Belichick and the offensive coaches. Hell, you can even throw him in as a tight end. Remember what Doug Fluties’ last play was? This’ll work
Wow. I put in that tight end comment before I read the article. I wasn’t actually serious about that, as we have some amazing tight ends.
Belichick is going to break out the three TE offense this year…
The fact the RSM doens’t know of any specific harm doesn’t mean squat
I observed that the bar for the 4th Amendment isn’t harm or no harm but “probable cause,” on account of you could have a slew of warrantless, no-knock raids on random people’s homes and the result could be no harm, but that makes it OK?
Furthermore, metadata analysis can tell you more than listening to a single phone call or reading a single e-mail (unless it’s the phone call where you communicate the entire plan to someone).
They’re warehousing all our data, so that later they can go back at their leisure and listen to this phone call here and read that e-mail there. So yeah, they’re not sitting there reading all your e-mails or listening to all your Skype sessions in real time.
They’ll get to you later.
I for one am pleased to see Tim Tebow going to New England. I watched almost his entire playing time at Florida, and consequently think it an awful shame that his skills should lie entirely fallow or unused. The guy is just one hell of a good football player, though possibly not so much as an NFL quarterback. But then, I also watched Billy Kilmer with the Redskins. So.
Already has it Charles, just doesn’t use it that often
Seen on Twitter: Tebow loves God and Belichick thinks he IS God. Perfect match.
You saw Kilmer play? I am so jealous. I missed him and Unitas, saw the end of Namath and Tarkenton.
Di, TOO FUNNY!!!
Better yet, I saw Sonny Jurgenson.
Who do we see Tebowing first, Brady or Gronkowski?
And now to see what Levin says.
Brian Sussman is substituting. Rats.
Maybe Tebow can finally connect with one of the bust UF receivers the Pats continue to draft.
Started following football back in 70. Pats fan since then and we sucked so bad that laws of physics were broken ( sucking AND blowing) Never got to see TV due to blackout rules, could only go to 2-4 games a year. You REALLY didn’t want to be at Scheaffer (sp?) in December
I had thought that A. Hernandez was considered to be pretty good at what he does? But others would know better than I, probably.
Hernandez would be a #1 TE on the other 31 teams. Gronk is a force of nature.
Really hope injuries (and infections) don’t hurt Gronk’s career.
I think the infection in his arm has passed. Now a surgery on his back I believe. The man lives and plays hard. We’ll see.
Wow: IRS Claims Law Protecting the Privacy of Taxpayer Information Also Protects the Privacy of Those Who Violate Taxpayer Privacy
The Patriots took Tebow?
The apocalypse is nigh.
Cripes, look what I started! I don’t give a rip about football picks!
I hope conservatives can recognize the difference between national security and the Fourth*. They are not mutually exclusive.
So far I haven’t seen any “the Constitution is not a death pact” but plenty of crossovers like this.
Or this.
For every fifty affirmations of the Fourth, of course, we have a foolishness like this. Fortunately the writer’s track record speaks for itself. I think paleoneocon is the word I’m looking for.
*as an absolute the Fourth expects there be all sorts of checks on the unmitigated, heretofore unknown surveillance of the State. None are in place this time but countless CYA and lies litter the aftermath, making this way more than an issue of national security.
There were times I gave a passing thought to the question whether the Jets took Tebow simply in order to have the opportunity to persecute him, which, in some respects fitted quite nicely with the way they treated him. Yet, passing as I say, I could never discover a sufficient motive to explain what would otherwise be such a waste.
Sorry Di, but I do.
Jho? I’m REALLY not getting all this. On one hand, I’m not doing anything wrong ( terrorism, threatening, CP) On the other, with the IRS shit, I’m doing everything wrong. Hell, you should see my facebook. So I’m not threaned, and yet? I am. VERY conflicted here.
Sdferr, Ryan never wanted him, it was the GM. IF Ryan had played him? Jets would have won 1 or 2 more.
SBP says June 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm
People ought take a look at that link.
It’s relevant and the added bonus is that it’s damn fascinating in its own right. These varied metrics for centrality are a complete revelation for me.
Been there bh, and beginning to understand. Maybe I’m thinking too personally and not the bigger picture. Will rethink.
Hayek would totally love that shit. Just love it.
If we take those centrality metrics out of this context and instead think of them as information flow or price signals they’re essentially the econometric tools he didn’t have back in his time.
The Progressive Fourth Amendment:
The Republican Fourth Amendment:
The Classically Liberal Fourth Amendment:
“People ought take a look at that link.”
yes it brought back painfull memories of a stress analysis program i tried to write in college
These varied metrics for centrality are a complete revelation for me.
– Ok, here’s the skinny. As a former project manager for several NSA Elint/SIGINT data collection systems. This shit has been going on since the early 70’s. The only real difference in todays operations is the amount of raw data they can process in a given amount of time. Warrents? Never bothered with them. Since the whole magilla started during the height of the cold war, anything and everything was justified on a basis of MAD. Cold war more or less ends and the express train just keeps grinding on, now justified by the WOT.
– Moral of the story. Without spacific prohibitions the gov will always take every fucking step it can, and sometimes even with the prohibitions they’ll do it anyway.
– Practical question. Does it matter to any one individual if they have your private stuff. Unless you are robbing banks, kidnapping for ransom, running an online drug/money laundering racket, or planning on blowing up a electric plant, the answer is no, no it doesn’t matter.
– Makes you uncomfortable. Yes. Effects you in any real way if you’re innocent, no.
– So pick your poison. Problem I have with it is they doen’t seem to be very successful on occassion, even when they do the collecting, ie. Boston marathon creeps, ect.
“Effects you in any real way if you’re innocent, no.”
Innocent of what? Being a Tea Party member? Once purchased a copy of Guns and Ammo with a credit card? What?
Sorry, not comforted.
Computer Access Not Restricted, Lerner Continues to Log In to IRS System
“Problem I have with it is they doen’t seem to be very successful on occassion,”
well when you take islam off the table of your search you going to surprised alot
– SBP, using NSA as a political tool is a whole ‘nother question. If thats going on theres no argument. Someone needs to go to jail, and the reason more than any other is to tell political operatives they’re asses are grass if they cross the line. Its the only way.
– The perk packages they give these shit heads makes it just too lucritive to hold back. You have to make the pain greater than the gain. But thats a different subject. I’m just referring to the normal non-political aspect of the whole thiung. Its not new.
“It’s relevant and the added bonus is that it’s damn fascinating in its own right.”
It’s pretty interesting, to be sure. I read my buddy’s diss and the techniques in that blog post are just a start.
It looks like Amazon has quite a few texts on Social Network Analysis, but I don’t have enough scholarship in the field to recommend one. Maybe I should rectify that.
Here’s a really fun one that’s going over like a lead zeppelin.
“SBP, using NSA as a political tool is a whole ‘nother question. If thats going on theres no argument.”
It might be hard to prove if the only result was (e.g.) a thorough IRS audit, but we know that would never happen, right?
Also, I have a strong suspicion that this is what happened to Petraeus.
““Problem I have with it is they doen’t seem to be very successful on occassion,””
well they did get such enemies of the state such as patreus and allen
elliot spitzer too
Interestingly, Hewitt is out of town this week, and today Rep. John Campbell (R-CA) is in, and he’s cheesed to the max, because this stuff is NOT what he signed off on. (Lovely how English lets me end the sentence with TWO contradictory prepositions.)
So in the Tribble feed (which I only sporadically am able to access), they’re all OVER this bidness of Lois Lerner being able to access her IRS account, thus to delete all incriminating stuffs.
Of course, Lerner can delete all the e-mails she wants: the NSA has them warehoused in their entirety.
John Yoo (from JHo’s link): “it is amazing that someone with such little education and background was given such extensive security clearance”
Yoo doesn’t really know very much about the IT world, does he?
Also, I have a strong suspicion that this is what happened to Petraeus.
– I must admit I do not understand Petraeus. He was outted and did nothing in his defense. If Bumblefuck used the data on him to keep him quiet about the video/talking points crap, why didn’t he roll over once they pulled the trigger on him? Where was Jug ears during the attack?
– With this many Washington weenies willing to lie through their teeth theres got to be some really fucked up secret we still don’t know about the whole Benghazi mess.
Practical question. Does it matter to any one individual if they have your private stuff. Unless you are robbing banks, kidnapping for ransom, running an online drug/money laundering racket, or planning on blowing up a electric plant, the answer is no, no it doesn’t matter.
Damned right it matters. If they were conducting warantless, no-knock police raids in random homes, and you have nothing to hide, your rights are STILL violated.
Don’t let the bastards have stuff just because they want to play with their cool toys.
Yoo doesn’t really know very much about the IT world, does he?
Wotta snob! As if credentials made you trustworthy.
Not really all that obliquely, what kind of outfit do we get when its domestic programs are regressive and explosively expansionary?
– bearing in mind this particular Old Socialism is a tenth of the Smoldering Hole of the State’s fiscal problem.
BBH and everyone else, there is absolutely no reason to think that they (Bush or Obama or Pres. Next) are using this for national security. Why would they want any of that information for national security? Terrorists aren’t a threat to them. Controlling the population — now that is interesting to them. That is useful.
Homeland Security has already issued training materials that anyone who, say, has a Gadsen flag, uses the motto Molon Labe, votes third party, has physical gold, or owns emergency rations is a potential terrorist.
How can someone look at the IRS/EPA/OSHA bullying and then shrug at this and say, “but I trust them to do the right thing?” It baffles me.
As long as they allow Muslim immigration and put on security theater at airports (TSA), the PTB are not interested in security, and are therefore not serious about collecting information for the good and pure motive of protecting the nation. As long as they want amnesty, they are not serious about protecting the nation. So, if they are not serious about national security and yet they have a massive spy network set up solely to collect information about American citizens/residents, what do they want the information for? Thought experiment!
Also, for the telephony thing, I heard a guy call into the radio Sunday night who worked for Ma Bell in Atlanta. He said only a handful of switches in the US handle international calls — you could monitor or control those switches (which, incidentally, are already set up to relay information back to the government) without EVER touching a domestic call. The host was pro-government, so that guy got hung up on. Still an interesting call.
You misspelled community organizing.
why didn’t he roll over once they pulled the trigger on him?
Because there was more, and the other undropped shoe kept him quiet?
And, it’s not like we don’t make retro-active laws. *cough*IRS*cough*
What you’re 100% innocent of today may well be a felony tomorrow, and they have the evidence to prove it.
OUTLAW.
di, I keep thinking of that leak in the first X-Files movie who was getting libeled by the government. He turned to Mulder and asked, “Was it drugs or kiddie porn?”
Petraeus’s outing may well have been a kind of plea bargain.
“I’m not doing anything wrong” usually means “Not doing anything illegal.”
But they go after people for being against them; actual criminals are never prosecuted.
But they go so nicely with unconstitutional laws and post-constitutional laws.
I don’t remember the X-Files movie, but I do remember that one of the end-story theories was that they had set up Mulder with all these honey-pots — fake alien stories to keep him busy gathering “evidence” — so that later they could expose the fakery and discredit Mulder as hopelessly gullible.
– I won’t attempt to assign motive, both because I’m aware of just how inneffective and uninvolved the averarage gov worker is, and because they ‘re generally not particularly smart or capable below a certain G pay grade.
– What you have as a real danger is when political operatives such as ObamaBots get into key positions. Thats when the fun and games start.
– Back in the 70’s and 80’s the operations were clean politically. Whats happened since then I know not, but its pretty obvious looking at the deceit going on in Congress at every turn.
difi to rescue
Feinstein ‘Open’ to Hearings on Surveillance Programs
The image JHo put up is based on this podcast by Arnold Kling from Dec. 2012.
I doubt it marks SBP as a snob to make a joke about hapless IT workers, di.
Hell, I’m guessing that a quarter of us here have paid some college bills by jumping a hurdle no higher than, “Are you sure it’s plugged in?”
Greenwald Says ‘There’s A Lot More Coming,’ Argues NSA Revelations Don’t Harm Security
Wotta snob! As if credentials made you trustworthy.
I’ve been saying that all day, di. To a one, all the newsies are sneering at the lack of Ivy in Snowdon’s league.
I doubt it marks SBP as a snob to make a joke about hapless IT workers, di.
I was talking about Yoo. He was totally being a snob.
I’m fully aware of how shtooopid manu gubmint workers are. I also know that you don’t need much book-larnin to get into IT, because for many, it’s all self-taught.
And if he were a clever hacker as a kid, the gubmint might have recruited him to be a white-hat.
Looks like Snowden is doing a Breitbart with the disclosure: leak a bit, wait for the CYAs and denials and stuff, then slam down more damning evidence to discredit the denunciations that the first disclosure provoked.
Breitbart lives.
Mea culpa, di. I misread you.
No forgiveness, bh. The sin is too great.
baracky be credentialed and a lying sack of sh&t
no free meals for you in cheesehead country
The Obama Adminion shutting down The Gleens would be hella telling, wouldn’t it?
Conversely, not shutting down the Internet by July will be too.
Of course, if I REALLY meant to withhold forgiveness, I’d have also reached through the monitor and throttled you.
Speaking of….
I miss witheld
This is when you’re glad you paid too much for that fancy surge protector. Throttling Guard, I thought. That might come in handy. Why risk it?
From the Dec. 2000 NSA memo Transition 2001, concerning outsourcing.
This was to be a 10 year project to be completed in 2012.
Obama debates Obama.
@CharlesA, RSM went on about how a “private doesn’t get to decide which orders he will obey….”
That where I’m calling out RSM in regards to “just following orders.”
“This was to be a 10 year project to be completed in 2012.”
a fed gov’t project delivered on time and on budget?
“An Army private doesn’t get to decide which orders he will obey, ”
sounds like some projection what with his son being a private in the army.
“An Army private doesn’t get to decide which orders he will obey, ”
um no unlawful orders can be disobeyed like going door to door taking guns from fellow americans.
i think killing innocent jews also falls under unlawful orders
And yet, per Whittle, our armed forces insist on a certain morality from the people that comprise them. Not only are you not expected to follow a clearly immoral order, you’re obligated to do so.
“Why did you open fire on defenseless women and children?” An “I was only following orders” response isn’t going to cut it. In theory, at least.
Not to mention that the armed forces swear allegiance to the Constitution, not the man in the Oval Office.
Though a private contractor IT guy isn’t a member of the armed forces, so none of this is necessarily applicable. Still, seems like a good general principle to carry over to civilians and government workers alike.
This was to be a 10 year project to be completed in 2012.
And one of the private companies they went with was Palantir.
Eye of Sauron indeed!
“It’s never ‘just a 3 hour tour’…”
self parody central
Obama: We still have “too many kids in poverty in this country.” Yes, yes we do.
Though a private contractor IT guy isn’t a member of the armed forces, so none of this is necessarily applicable.
I was a military contractor, and I seem to recall being under a non-disclosure agreement. I didn’t swear an oath, though.
They do both, actually.
Of course, when those giving the orders are also the aforementioned domestic enemies, a man’s got some decisions to make, doesn’t he?
I stand corrected. Or would, if I weren’t currently slouched on a couch.
– Your tax dollars in action.
“I was talking about Yoo. He was totally being a snob.”
Yep, that was how I took it.
Some of the best programmers I’ve known have had no degree at all.
Some more of that memo that seems to have some relation to the current events. Note that this was written to the incoming GW Bush administration and was before 9/11 had its effects on everything.
Any failure of formatting or typos are mine.
– On the Tebow thing. Belichick figures on getting some cheep feedback on Jets offensive formations. He’ll spy in any way he can.
In a different world, Geoff would be collecting his second Pulitzer right about now.
“baracky be credentialed and a lying sack of sh&t”
So was Alger Hiss. Perfect Ivy League pedigree.
I suppose in that different world it wouldn’t be called a Pulitzer either.
“a man’s got some decisions to make, doesn’t he?”
The UMCJ refers to “lawful” orders. Personally, I think an order to violate the Constitution is unlawful on its face.
But yeah, that’s a decision.
“I suppose in that different world it wouldn’t be called a Pulitzer either”
maybe a “breitbart”?
Would people generally agree that it’s the broad-based nature of this search that runs against the 4th?
That if it was targeted (much like a man wearing a red cap was seen driving north on Main St) then these methods could be reasonable?
Or is it generally offensive to the spirit of the 4th based on the inherently greater reach of the underlying technology?
I really, really like that, nr.
the 4th then
I think targeting is built in.
Yes. No warrants shall issue but upon probable cause. General warrants are unconstitutional and I don’t care what or how many courts have decided otherwise.
” 6 plural : movable property : goods ”
link
is your data a “movable property” or does the collective own it?
speaking of the collective
A wife’s consent to donate sperm? That’s sexist and absurd,’ says a male writer who believes it’s a man’s body, a man’s choice
Data is more like “papers” than “effects”, IMO.
That’s sexist and absurd,’
– And he doesn’t live in “communal property” state.
data is more moveable than paper. you should own your activity.
– Better hope the courts don’t start using the “implied consent” rule in area’s other than copywrite law.
– The argument will be: “Its your privacy until you put it in the public forum.”
– Which is the contertemp to the idea that if you value your intellectual property you take at least minimal steps to protect it. I can see there coming a time when that will be the benchmark. If you say something over a public comm system (phone), or you text something over the internet, you lose.
– BTW, the existing forms of public communication neither imply, nor gaurentee privacy, in any way. That’s just a false idea the public takes for granted and the companies let them.
“data is more moveable than paper.”
“Moveable” is not really relevant. Data is stored information. So is paper, in the sense they’re using it (no one was worried about the cops stealing the Charmin or the Bounty towels, right?).
“, nor gaurentee privacy”
who defined “privacy”?
““Moveable” is not really relevant.”
ok i created the “data” do i own it? i know the work i create and get paid for i own ask the irs
– privacy in the “have a reasonable expectation of privacy” sense.
– You can live under a rock if you choose, and go on believeing theres any real expectation of privacy when you use public forms of communication, other than snail mail, but it just isn’t so.
i know the work i create and get paid for i own ask the irs
– It’s protected as long as you take the minimal steps to protect it. If not its up for grabs.
“ok i created the “data” do i own it?”
That depends on what contract you agreed to. By default, under current U.S. copyright law, you do.
However, you have to consider licenses, express or implied. You wouldn’t get very far by (for example) suing Jeff for copyright infringement because his blog transmitted your copyrighted material to everyone else who is reading this. Very likely any court would rule that you’d granted Jeff an implied license to transmit your words by the act of posting them.
It’s not quite as simple as “own”.
Do you mean a legal expectation of privacy or a practical one?
Because “public form of communication” is the airwaves in the street or a bulletin board at the laundromat, not your e-mail.
Or it shouldn’t be.
this too maybe relevant
link
– Email is really problimatical. As a “closed” form of transmission to a “recipient” it is the electronic equivalent of snail mail, as long as the same rules are followed. The problem is made manifest from there being so many ways emails can be intercepted.
– In reality, from the very first, emails should have come under the exact same laws as normal mail. But practically speaking could it even be enforced effectively.
“go on believeing theres any real expectation of privacy when you use public forms of communication, other than snail mail”
even there the fed gov’t doesn’t give a sh&t depending on who is running the show. ask the peeps in the military and their absentee ballots.
also what is the definition of “public forms of communication” ? talking to my neighbor on a “public” sidewalk?
“But practically speaking could it even be enforced effectively.”
enforced against whom? the fed gov’t shouldn’t be allowed to take all internet traffic and store it.
talking to my neighbor on a “public” sidewalk?
– If you were to describe an idea or process that was “overheard” and thence copied by a competitor the answer would be yes.
– You are required by law to take a pro-active stance in the protection of your IP.
– You may not like that, you may think its wrong, but to various degrees and differences in laws in different states, it is in general the law.
On a related note, HHS just celebrated “Health Datapaolooza IV” for another huge year of “data liberation.” So much more of our healthcare data will be centralized and easily accessible thanks to Obamacare.
http://tinyurl.com/kucl2cv
http://healthdatapalooza.org/
I’d never use email to schedule an extramarital tryst. That’s what Twitter is for.
@ “SBP says June 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm ”
an org could build a “paul revere” out of thin air
“You are required by law to take a pro-active stance in the protection of your IP.”
what law/ruling says that?
“If you were to describe an idea or process that was “overheard” and thence copied by a competitor the answer would be yes.”
that’s copyright/patent stuff. is the fed gov’t allowed to record you on a public sidewalk while talking about your dogs bowel movements without a warrant?
i raise my glass to edward snowden
tall he stood amongst foreboding
our dignity and hope eroding
freedom’s bastion fast imploding
and this is what he said:
I can’t allow the US government to destroy privacy and basic liberties.
Snail mail is photographed front and back at the Post Office.
Man, the AARP better watch themselves, sending me stuff all the time like they do. They must not know I throw it away.
“If you were to describe an idea or process that was “overheard” and thence copied by a competitor the answer would be yes.”
this only a concern to the 3rd party acting judge, the fed gov’t. as to whether the one party in a legal case heard something in a public or private setting. it has nothing to do with the fed gov’t in declaring the internet a “public space” and storing all of the data transmitted.
that’s copyright/patent stuff. is the fed gov’t allowed to record you …..
– As far as I know I’ve seen no instance YET of the use of implied consent in data gathering complaints. I was raising the possibility. The gov will always find a way to rationalize what ever it wants to do, and that’s one approach they could use that, in general, finds favor with the courts/legal system.
“They must not know I throw it away.”
Yeah, me too.
After the Obamacare thing, I started throwing it away with extreme force.
– In other words, the court takes the position that you as the originator have the responsibility to take “at least minimal and reasonable steps to protect your personal/private data” (IP).
– Putting anything on the internet in any form, for instance, could be deemed as “careless”.
– I havn’t seen that yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised. The carreriers would embrace it because they’re all about escaping liability.
“to protect your personal/private data” (IP).”
from whom?
– Of course right now the weenies are all running around trying to insure there will be no legal repercusions, particularly Verizon, who right about now is sitting out 100 feet on a very thin limb, having agreed to the gov’s illegal demands. So you’ll see a lot of backroom deals in Congress, trying to shelter various participants.
“, the court takes the position”
the fed gov’t takes this position. one and the same at this point.
well the verizon got on the baracky train just before the bridge collapse
How do you remember Jason Furman? I remember him as the most vigorous demagogue set loose by the Democrats to stop George W. Bush’s attempt to rein in Social Security. And with every trick in the book, Furman was victorious. Which just goes to show: victory (despite what the Marxists say) is no criterion of right.
i like how the “constitution is living” to the proggtards. the “law” not so much.
Perfect (and funny) rebuttal to the “if you’re innocent, it’s no big deal” argument: http://tinyurl.com/mtlsgft
BBH, in case your interested, Verizon is now teamed up with Brighthouse, at least in our area. Talk about a match made in consumer hell.
I will never do business with Verizon. It took me several phone calls and faxes (all at their request) to get an ISDN line shut down and removed from a business that no longer needed the line, nor was the business using the line. I think it took at least 90 days to get the line shut down. Meanwhile, the bastards kept billing us. I found out later this was SOP for Verizon and the method Verizon uses to make their numbers look better.
in case *you’re interested
” *you’re interested”
the dreaded lbascom your;)
Letterman is on right now (don’t ask, I’m not the one who has it on). He’s going off on Holder and even Obama a little bit.
Whoa.
so none of the p wizzles think Edward is a traitor most foul?
that’s what some people at Mr. P’s think
I’m trying to understand them but mostly they just assert
“I’m trying to understand them”
They’re fascists. What’s to understand?
perhaps the newly-liberated Mr. Leno has shamed this David Letterman just a wee little teensy bit
it’s disheartening Mr. Spies
I think he’s traitorous, sure. But we’ll see better as his stolen materials come to light.
open season on “hope and change”
He’s going off on Holder and even Obama a little bit.
– When Lefties turn they do it at light speed. It’s what you do when your only motivation is cynical self-service. If Letterman thinks the ObamaBots are turning on fearless leader he’ll break both legs hating on him.
“I think he’s traitorous, sure. ”
to whom?
Sure. Ask Robespierre how that works.
to whom?
Well he’s not traitorous to China. Take a guess.
the bh cooked up a sous vide thread
Now why the hell would a lawyer be surprised that other lawyers would take the position that revealing the name of the violator(s) would implicate the agency in a violation of privacy laws by, in effect, creating a second violation of the victim’s (ses) right to privacy?
Those privacy rules don’t exist to protect people –they exist to protect bureaucrats from the consequenes of their own incompetence and or malice, under the guise of protecting the victim from further harm.
” Take a guess.”
hi baracky! and fu the stasi state!!11!!
I’m not calling him a traitor or a hero just yet, personally.
Those may not even be exclusive categories in this case, for that matter.
link
– Actually they, and countless other “laws” like them, exist to protect the gov from liability. period.
so what do we do with our lives we leave only a mark will ed’s story shine like a light
or end in the dark
Seems to me (that’s a huge caveat!) that he’s de facto treasonous to the government of the United States.
Two questions remain then. Is this an immoral act? That can be answered by the specifics. Is it a categorical imperative?
Will we be happy to find ourselves in such a group when others in his position decide to make similar decisions when they’re just plain wrong? We’re making some choices here and we shouldn’t pretend that there aren’t costs to be paid in both alternatives.
UK Daily Mail has pix of Snowdon’s
ballerinapole dancer girlfriend.Not Chinese, btw.
– Pay the King’s tribute or pick up a musket. There’s no third way.
nicely said Mr. bh
me I’m a roll the dice with our friend Edward
I’m undecided if Snowden’s a traitor or not.
” he’s de facto treasonous to the government of the United States.”
which edition
” or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
defines the proggtarded/demonrats ask eric holder
Baseball may have a treat in store for us tonight — there’s a rumor Jose Molina has been told to warm up ’cause he may have to pitch in the 14th inning or later, should the Rays fail to tally in the bottom of the 13th and end the game.
Same here, Ernst.
– According to the Crown our forefathers were both, Traitors and Patriots.
Mine were scalliwags.
I consciously decided to say “government of the United States” when I spoke of de facto treason, nr.
so mr. jeff g pays for this website monthly, does the nsa owe him money for the data collected? his site my data or your data. kind of a takings thing no?
The second part of my comment needs to be acknowledged though. When we open this door we have to recognize that many will walk through it.
I’m comfortable with the basic line being “unlawful” or “unconstitutional”. Don’t think we’ll do better than that as a standard for such things. We will have morons make poor choices here unfortunately. We should acknowledge this. There’s not much that can be done. We’re humans living with other humans. We don’t have those optimal choices available to us.
Well, yes.
#NSALoveSongs
if jeff g collects data and the fed gov’t suctions it. is not jeff g ,or millions of other internet sites, owed compensation? jeff g own’s the data no?
also is it “public communications” when done on a private network “eg ie verizon”?
a public network is the usps. totally owned by the fed gov’t
Does Jeff charge you to read his postings or out comments?
What’s the value of “free?”
We shall know (is he a traitor or not) by if he/it prospers.
“Private network”?, public utility.
“Does Jeff charge you to read his postings or out comments?”
can the fed gov’t put a recording device in your local bar without the owner’s knowledge and without probable cause?
“, public utility.”
collectivist gov’t describing their owers
oh powers. one finger typing and one finger to you baracky mostly middle
Not without probable cause, but (n.b., not a lawyer, didn’t stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night) probable cause isn’t that high of a standard. What’s your expectation of privacy in a bar?
“public utility.”
here on 100th anniversary of woody wilson inaug. eff public “utility” and the so called “public” the “public” is proggtardia.
How do you like your eggs?
I like 64 and then dipped in boiling water for 30 sec or so to firm the white more.
” What’s your expectation of privacy in a bar?”
that the fed gov’t isn’t listening to in real time to EVERY conversation AND storing EVERY CONVERSATION.
what’s yours?
– There’s only one civilized way to eat an egg – Benedict style.
– Which, in view of the current fu mess we find ourselves in, seems apropos.
what’s funny in all this: is baracky took islam off the table. oh allan ackbar 72 raisins barry. find the “religion of peace” in a tax payer stay in hawaii. opec don’t like no frackin’
Benedict style
That would be two ways wouldn’t it: the first — poached, the second — as Hollandaise?
@64 C i will try in the sousvide/slowcooker. aldi’s has eggs this week @ $0.79
Glenn Reynolds has a germane pull quote from this Ed Felton piece:
Talk about burying the lede. An 84% foreign test wouldn’t protect Americans’ data in this instance.
bh ?
is it better to use a blow torch in your experience when finishing sous vide dishes?
i tried grilling them but i don’t think the heats there for the finish.
” An 84% foreign test wouldn’t protect Americans’ data in this instance.”
what exactly is the fed gov’t looking for?
What’s my expectation of privacy in a bar?
Let’s just say I wouldn’t go to one in order to plan a revolution.
baracky says islam is a “religion of peace” like bush. the fed gov’t is a liar.
ferriners doing sumptin ferrin no doubt.
By which I mean, finding dots to connect.
It’s seems they’re better at finding dots than they are at connecting them.
“Let’s just say I wouldn’t go to one in order to plan a revolution.”
why is jack bauer near you? why are “they” scooping up my key strokes in the bar down the street, next door. why do we need a STASI?
link
Probably have one or both of two problems that’re related, nr.
Moisture: Dry the protein with paper towels. Water boils away at 212 F.
Heat: Go far hotter. Put a bit of oil in the pan (oil conveys heat far better than air where the pan isn’t touching) and bring it up to smoking. I’m searing at about 480 F. Takes about a minute a side at this temp.
Because a bar is a public place and you don’t know who else is there to overhear your conversation. And the authorities don’t need to scoop up keystrokes.
Just key words.
Get that light olive oil they sell for sauteing. Neutral taste and it works at high heat.
Good heavy pan too so the temp doesn’t drop when the “protein” hits it. Unless you have a commercial power burner maybe?
I’ve been using a 1800 watt induction burner with a heavy steel pan.
I had to look up sous vide, but I do know that if your grill isn’t getting to 480, either you’re not pre-heating it for long enough, or you need a new grill.
And maybe a cast iron sear grate.
All I have is a regular gas stove burner so I’m using a steel pan with a very thick aluminum slug in the base sandwich. Weighs about 5 lbs. Takes awhile to get up to temp.
I’m a sucker for late night cooking gadget infomercials myself,
he jested.
no i did some ribs. after 4-6 hrs they fall apart so grilling is a problem. chicken thighs worked out good on the grill. fun to experiment
What’s wrong with a basic cast-iron pan?
I had some ribs do that too. It was winter so I put them on a rack under the broiler after brushing on some sauce till they browned up. Probably some better way as this was just a hurried improv.
Nothing, don’t have one.
You might get a kick out of looking at the invoices on my desk, Ernst.
Turns out that you can’t equip a commercial kitchen with Ronco products.
Nothing at all. Lodge makes very nice ones that come pre-seasoned and ready to use.
“Turns out that you can’t equip a commercial kitchen with Ronco products.”
well baracky did it
Brown the outside first, then finish ’em in your fancy kitchen jacuzzi.
But, I swear, one of the guys in that nu-wave induction cooker add was a professional chef –in a kitchen and everthing!
I have a Lodge fry pan. I keep meaning to get a dutch oven, but I never seem to get around to it.
so if at some date past i gave jeff g money? is my communication between me and jeff g. ? or the fed gov’t for the “taking”? stupid peeps want to know?
link
If you, purely and hypothetically speaking here, started ranting about the town dog catcher, and then went on to detail your elaborate plan for kidnapping, torturing and feeding him to feral pigs like you once saw in that movie, the local authorities might want to talk to both you and Jeff.
You’re not just communicating with Jeff when you post comments, you’re communicating with anybody and everybody who views the blog post you’re commenting on.
But to his country? That’s another matter.
I agree with nr that recording data for posterity changes things, even if it’s “public”, but so far no court has seen it that way. We had a contentious debate about that here some years ago.
My cast iron skillets and dutch oven are generations old, but I bought a Lodge griddle years back (the kind that straddles two burners) and it’s pretty good. I haven’t used it as much since discovering the wonders of deep-fried bacon, though. The only other thing I use it for is cranking out mass quantities of pancakes, and I haven’t had to make those for a large group for a while.
For ribs on the grill, I use a perforated rack with handles to keep them from falling apart/into the fire, while still allowing unimpeded passage to delicious grease and smoke. Similar, but not identical, to this: http://www.bigkitchen.com/MerchantUploads/edgeCPIGroup/36518.jpg
Mine has loop handles rather than those somewhat stupid and useless-looking “ears”.
Imagine these scenarios:
1) A guy standing next to you at the urinal.
2) A guy standing next to you at the urinal whips out his cell phone and starts taking a video.
The same? I don’t think so.
Now, this scenario fails in that a restroom isn’t a fully public place, but it’s clear that recording can alter the acceptability of behavior in some situations.
Morning updates:
A number of sites are touting a poll (no link because it’s garbage) that purports to show that 62% of Americans favor stopping terrorists over privacy.
Of course, the poll results don’t mention that people who care about privacy are, ahhhh…. somewhat less likely…to answer questions from strangers who call on the phone.
In other news, Orangeman has declared Snowden a traitor, so we can just wrap this whole thread up now. “Boehner said it. I believe it. That settles it.” Right?
Or maybe it’s more like “takes one to know one.”.
“takes one to know one.”.
– Traitor or RINO. One of these is not the same as the other. At least a Traitor thinks he has a purpose.
Americans may be willing in the majority to give up some privacy for security, but PRISM is not benefiting from that attitude. Americans oppose it by 48 points.
Don’t forget dog whistles.
“62% of Americans favor stopping terrorists over privacy”
There’s one other issue other than accuracy: who defines “terrorist,” because according to the current administration *we* on the right are the terrorists. Christians, Tea Party, people who want to uphold the Constittion, gun owners.
I bet the results would be vastly different if the poll question clarified that “terrorist” can and is applied to more than just jihadis.
I’m guessing the poll question didn’t mention that these programs have done a pretty shitty job of stopping terrorism.
The Cloward – Piven-ing pile of scandal.
Kerry wrote himself up for his own medals, Interior Dept. employees approve themselves for their own travel expenses.
EPA, “We’re number one!”
State Dept. “Oh yeah, we’ve got quality and quantity.”
IRS and NSA hardest hit in scandal race to the bottom.
Apologies if so one else beat me to this: Greenwald is promising to release more information today.
FYI on the Fourth Amendment…
Joseph Story, writing in his Commentaries On The Constitution:
http://www.constitution.org/js/js_344.htm
There’s a new NSA slide that Guardian has published today detailing the top secret NSA spy program that has, for years, granted the U.S. government “back door” access to the servers of Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple, AOL, Facebook and others.
Guardian pulled a Breitbart by initially holding onto this so that these tech companies have already issued statements that they DON’t do this. Oopsie.
http://www.naturalnews.com/040693_NSA_spy_grid_PRISM_slides_tech_giants.html
Ernst wrote yesterday at 11:04PM:
But The Founders did, at the Green Dragon Tavern.
that’s from June 8 Mr. Libby
62% of Americans favor stopping terrorists over privacy”
I can assure you that every one of these people assumes that (a) the data CAN be used to find terrorists (b) the data IS being used to find terrorists (c) they’re not doing anything wrong.
Look, we’re accustomed to stripping the diaper of grandma at the airport check-in, and people are supposed to get exercised about warehoused e-mails?
Also, most of those people who were OK with it are likely LIVs. If you point out to them that the NSA is scooping up all the data, but they still can’t detect a card-carrying jihadi (Major Hassan), nor do they heed direct warnings about dangerous people (Tsarnaevs, the underwear bomber), and that they’re not doing jack about the thousands of people who stream across the southern border every day, maybe they’ll be less happy about it.
They also probably assume that it’s just phone metadata, which, fine, but the hard-core terrorists use disposable cell phones, and so they don’t show up an any kind of algorithm.
I have an induction cooktop and it works very well with both stainless and cast iron cookware. The problem with cast iron is of course that my wife just can’t lift the stuff. I have an extra-large skillet that is handy for cooking e.g. 4 large pork chops simultaneously, but she can’t move it around all that well.
Probably an excuse to have me cook more. We’re about par, skill-wise, I think.
The answer to “if you’re not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about” is “the process is the punishment.”
By the time you’re exonerated, you’re already ruined.
Cast iron cookware is a wristbuster.
If that 62% poll is the Pew poll that Rush was just talking about, it seems the biggest change is that respondents who self identify as Democrats are much more likely to support surveillance now than they were when Bush was in the White House.
So it was never the methods they objected to, just the employers.
But we knew that already, didn’t we?
That’s because none of those people are right-wing domestic terrorist sympathizing anti-government types, as designated by Homeland Security’s IFF system contractor, the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Priorities, di.
Wristbusters? What a pansy. (j/k) I have a whole set of Lodge cookware and I haven’t broken a wrist yet. I have to say that I like my All-Clad cookware better, though. I have another set of very heavy cookware from Norway that I bought when I was 18 and I use all three sets for different tasks.
I’m getting tired of douchie newscasters referring to Snowdon as a highschool drop-out. So? My brother has a GED and went to community college, did a hitch in the Army then worked for Dell Computers for 20+ years in their new product development division. He has more money than most people I know and retired when he was 50 with a paid for home and cars.
Go to hell, journalists.
blog post on that pew poll I mentioned
OT: Add Kelly Ayotte to the list of Senators to stick a fork in.
Rubio, Toomey and now Ayotte. The winds are clearly blowing in an unfavorable direction.
Chicago on the Potomac strikes again, eh, Ernst?
With the IRS and NSA scandals you just have to wonder if there was some kind of target placed on the backs of those who were elected as being “Tea Party” and that there were some skeletons, real or virtual, found that were useful.
Or maybe under Holder the FBI now coughs up the raw files to remove the troublesome priests without being asked.
Maybe Greenwald has Obama’s grades and passport information. And all of those Social Security numbers.
I feel like someone should be chanting, “Bring out your dead!”
and that there were some skeletons, real or virtual, found that were useful.
Maybe thinking of this as a detective story with the question as a spur or hypothesis, how would anyone go about answering that question, in a practical sense? It’s certainly a question that jumps out from the circumstances, and the deep mistrust spreading as we speak. It has been asked about other prominent events already, i.e. Dave Petraeus’ adultery for instance.
So who would know? And how to figure out whether this has happened, if someone were to chase it down?
The “targets” themselves would have to know, wouldn’t they, if they were to be affected by the threat? The targeters would know, since they’d be the source of the action. What else, or who else? The processors of the information would know, if these are separable from the initiators of the action. Any others?
like graduating from a piece of shit unionslut-infested American public high school is some kind of fucking achievement
like graduating from a … American public high school
Just surviving one is an accomplishment.
I guess we’ve figured out “how” they got to John Roberts. The “what” would be interesting, but only in the curiousity sense.
Sent to me by sdferr is this piece.
Well, if they start with Kevin Bacon, we’re all in someone’s community before very long.
People are acting like all this spying has only been a Big Deal™ since Bush signed the Patriot Act and Obama reupped it. I may be wrong, but wasn’t there some kind of a controversy about spying when Big Dawg was the prez? So, we’re talking 20 years ago. Of course, they probably laid blame on the E-vil Reagan-Bush years.
Charles, who do you think they started with? Charlie Sheen? :-)
My guess is this is just politicians behaving politically, having been presuaded by events that, as a political force, the Tea Party was strangled in its crib.
Either that or the Tea Party was a better vehicle for getting elected than getting reelected. Saying what you have to say in order to get re-elected, and then doing what you have to do in order to stay elected seems to be the order of the day. Probably always has been, but its become especially craven since Clinton.
We’re seriously going to have to reconsider our labels for the Republican Party. Conservatives are the Republicans In Name Only now (and probably not for much longer). Liberal Republicans are Democrats In All But Label.
“…lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes.”
Yet they still seem to follow one around the room.
Who do I think they started with? Ted Nugent.
– I keep coming back to this question: Given all the excesses, legal or otherwise, the unwanted legislation, the unwanted trend to big gov. the usurption of Constitutional rights, when or what will start or effect a reversal of all this Marxo-Socialistic crap and the influence of the Euro-creeps on our way of life? I’m not seeing much, if any, indication of same. It just seems to get worse and worse.
I think if was called “Carnivore” leigh.
I may start inserting TREADSTONE and BLACK BRIAR into everything, just to see what happens.
It does, BBH. Anyone watching the Faux News? Istanbul is going up in flames and the police are using tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons after 12 days of rioting.
guinspen, Remember Chief Brody saying, “I can do anything; I’m the chief of police.”
Just imagine how President Obama must feel.
Suggests a problem with your premises, doesn it not?
I think if was called “Carnivore”.
I can’t remember a name, but I do remember a controversy and a lot of noise about the AG’s office (Waco, Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzalez for three).
Ralph Kramden: “One of these days HTML, one of these days. . . Pow! Right in the code.”
Heh.
– The first shoe, in a long line to come, drops.
– Maybe the practical answer to my question of reversals is that the bastards will just get their asses sued out of existance.
Those are nothing compared to the controversy of an out of control lifeydoodle Congress delaying the death by starvation (or was it dehydration) of a brain dead woman whose brain deadedness was a matter of legal dispute
he noted cynically.
My guess is this is just politicians behaving politically
“Politicians behaving politically” involves the Old Guard getting dirt on the New Guard and keeping them in line.
Or if not dirt, a reminder that a relative of theirs probably can’t handle a lawsuit over here, or that a friend has applied for something over there.
Indeed, Ernst. Michael Schiavo was treated like the anti-Christ by the press and Mrs. Schiavo’s parents. A foreshadowing of the death panels?
ACLU has filed a lawsuit against the NSA for its grabby ways with our words.
I seem to remember once hearing that you would die without water in three days. My mother-in-law took two weeks to pass after they stopped giving her fluids. Tough old gal, she was a teenager in Tokyo in 1945.
Bless her, Charles. That’s an awful way to go.
That’s barbaric. Couldn’t they have given her something to ease her on her way?
If you mean assisted suicide, uh, no. Long, dreadful tale, starts with Alzheimers beginning years ago, after the final time she lost consciousness her situation finally reached a point where the doctors and daughters decided she was gone, just waiting for the body to expire. Defintely took longer than everyone expected.
But on a happier note, today’s my 30th wedding anniversary.
Mazeltov, Charles. May you have another 30 in like manner.
Congratulations to you and the missus.
He’s going to need a bigger boat.
Congrats to both of you, Charles.
You mistook my meaning. Democrats* kill people** with seeming impunity and get away with it. Republicans try to make sure a dead woman is really dead before the feeding tube gets pulled, and it’s an unendurable assault on civil liberty.
Kind of like how “privacy” has been progressively reduced to the right to fuck whomever, however, whenever, wherever.
Nicht Wahr?
*generally speaking, Ruby Ridge happened under G. H. W. Bush
**nobody died over the Elian Gonzalez affair
Mr. Edward Snowden…
What Top Secret NSA Leak ??
Did you think we did not know ?
Can you read Mr. Edward Snowden ?
What Top Secret NSA program ??
are you all kidding me ??
Title 50 United States Code Chapter 36 Subchapter I
Section 1811.
AUTHORIZATION DURING TIME OF WAR
§ 1811. Notwithstanding ” ANY ” other law, The President, through the
Attorney General, May Authorize Electronic Surveillance Without a Court Order under
this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for a period not to exceed fifteen
calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress.
Title 50 United States Code Chapter 36 Subchapter I
Section 1802,
Electronic Surveillance Authorization Without Court Order; certification by Attorney
General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal; duties and compensation of
communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court”
Executive Order 12333
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and a few court decisions are as follows:
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY CAN INTERCEPT ANY COMMUNICATION
phone call, fax, electronic mail, etc. as long as at least one end is in a foreign country.
Executive Order 12949
Foreign Intelligence Physical Searches
Section 1. Pursuant to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (“Act”) (50 U.S.C. 1801, et
seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- 359, section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the Attorney General is
authorized to approve physical searches, Without a Court Order,
Sec. 3. Pursuant to section 303(a)(7) of the Act, the following officials, each of whom is
employed in the area of NATIONAL SECURITY or DEFENSE, are designated to make
the certifications
President William J. Clinton, February 9, 1995.
Executive Order 12139
By the authority vested in The President of The United States
Exercise of certain authority respecting Electronic Surveillance
1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50
U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to
acquire foreign intelligence information Without a Court Order,
President Jimmy Carter – May 23, 1979
Their is no leak of any so called secret NSA spy program
.. if you know how to read !!!
and by the way
screw all of you mass media cable news talking ( @$%&* ) heads
not one of you know what you are talking about … ass %^&#
ps
I blogged all of this same information at this web page on 12/21/2005
I’m intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Link for 3:30 pm
So “injustice prevails” is Jeff G.?
Nicht Wahr?
Gotcha. I was multi-tasking which I’ve decided I can’t do well anymore.
Mark Steyn nails why the program is fucked.
– Mark Stein and everyone else should be “nailing” why Mark Stien and everyone else is fucked by these programs.
– “Executive orders” circumventing congress. Anyone else see a disturbing pattern here?
link
“[Obama]’s going to need a bigger
boatbus.”Fixed. :-)
“Kind of like how “privacy” has been progressively reduced to the right to fuck whomever, however, whenever, wherever.”
Well, to be fair, it’s also been expanded — at least with respect to the legality of killing the result of said fucking.
charlesaustin: Congratulations!
7-year old Pop-Tart gun offender loses first appeal
Or he is James S. Robbins of NRO, or Hilzoy at Obsidian Wings, as there is reference to their emails.
link
Jailed Filmmaker Vows to Finish Film on Mohammad (Video)
7-year old Pop-Tart gun offender loses first appeal
– A certain segment of the population is certifiably insane.
What has happened to the NSA data gathering programs is that they went from “we know they can do this but don’t know much about the extent” to “Holy shit they are grabbing most everything”.
From “known-unknown” to “known-known”. For some of it, it was from “unknown-unknown” to one of the other levels.
– From the book “Maybe we should just interview Putin if we want to know what the fuck is going on.”
Therein lies the problem. They’re capturing far more than that.
…..as long as at least one end is in a foreign country.
– For any phone system or internet link one end is always in a foreign country. This is a prime example of lawyerspeak, and the gov playing fast and lose with the language.
If no secret was revealed, why are so many Congresscritters calling him a traitor?
Regarding the ebtrayal of Ayotte, being the Cynical SOB I am, I think it may be due to this…
From The Daily Caller of 13 May:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/rubio-set-to-on-air-in-new-hampshire-to-defend-kelly-ayotte/
‘betrayal’, not ‘ebtrayal’ – I’ve got to learn not to type in Ebonics.
“If no secret was revealed, why are so many Congresscritters calling him a traitor? ”
for the narrative
Good grief. If it weren’t for the UK papers, we’d never know what was going on.
Where is today’s William Randolph Hurst? A good old newspaper war would be great about now.
miss lindsey spills the beans
Senator says program goes deeper than believed
– So this is what its come too. We now have reached the Utopian stage where the only way we have of knowing the myriad ways our own gov is screwing us is through the Foreign press.
– Fuck you Obama, just fuck you.
duly noted – nsa
– Hey, that half white mother fucker is welcome to come and get a piece of me anytime he thinks he’s man enough.
Iowahawk got pithy with it:
Hey, that half white mother fucker is welcome to come and get a piece of me anytime he thinks he’s man enough.
Heh. Hubs has said much the same yesterday and today.
cc: NSA
I was in Central Hong Kong when the story broke and using his comments about “CIA down the road”–US Consulate–and Google Maps, I went to six hotels looking for him (Greenwald also said he was in a luxe hotel).
Didn’t get thru but in each hotel the amount of US and PRC Nat Sec types–spies–looking for him grew. Turns out he was in Kowloon, a section of HK across the river and had used “down the road” as a term of art.
A miserable experience, as HK is now ~ 90 plus degrees, 90% humidity and a broad coating of air pollution that traps even more heat. So, net of everything, voluntarily miserable. The hotel lobbies were quite wonderfully cooled though.
That’s interesting, Roddy. I had figured he wasn’t even in Hong Kong at all. Hotel rooms look a lot alike. He could have been in Indianapolis for all anyone knew.
– The Progs are getting even more fidgety than normal, which is a good sign. They might going to lose some of their precious free shit if things keep going South for Bumblefuck.
Either somebody’s advising him or he’s smarter than his published background would suggest.
As I said somewhere else today, I smell a squirrel.
“or he’s smarter than his published background would suggest.”
davy brooks didn’t like the crease in his pants i’ll have you know
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/science/earth/what-to-make-of-a-climate-change-plateau.html
Guess the science wasn’t “settled” after all. Huh.
Oh, they’re doing their best to spin it, but can’t really conceal the fact none of the models match reality. When that happens in “science”, the model is supposed to be scrapped.
But that’s just in the evil heteronormative western white male science that I was taught. It could be different in “other ways of knowing”.
…or maybe he just watches a lot of “Burn Notice.”
link
Senator @TedCruz Demolishes Gang Of 8 Immigration Bill
They might probably will lose most of their precious free shit if things turn up roses for him too.
Looking at the Brooks column excerpt over at Althouse’s from newrouter’s Glenn Reynolds’ link, above, this bit of indignant blather jumps out:
Now, I’m no defender of Snowden (yet), but all I can say to that is David Brooks and fellow Ameritopians, meet the petard you’ve created. That you are now hoist thereupon was no accident.
Trust and respect are two way streets, jackass. Common procedures? Keep your hands off of my shit and I’ll keep mine off yours.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Snowdon is on the level. People are working too hard dissing him six ways to Sunday for there to be no there there.
I believe they are scared shitless.
i like how the gov’t manufactured pop tart”intent”.chompsky uber alles
He may be on the level and a complete crap weasel defector too.
They used to be. The New Left saw to it that they were turned into one way streets, “to improve traffic flow,” the assured us.
Now nobody comes downtown anymore except the skanks and the skels.
As for common procedures, those started going out the window when the courts began to prefer substantive due process to procedural due process.
You think that sounds awful; to me, it just sounds like yesterday. And tomorrow. Today it didn’t quite break 90.
hong kong prc
link
The whole story in one graph. Here‘s the long version, for those who don’t speak data ;).
I has referring to my own surrounds, newrouter.
oh mr. boyd thing slart
The more David Brooks joins the Left in dissing Snowden, the more the Left will revere him as a sensible Conservative.
it is good that the nsa knows the weather in hong kong at this time. will save americans in the future i’m sure
Meanwhile, in the tinfoil hat universe, Alex Jones is railing on about the Bilderberg Group meeting wrapping up in England. These so-called “scandals”, Benghazi, IRS, NSA, etc, are all intended as massive distractions so that we “sheeple” won’t notice that the final plans for a One World Government™ are being formulated as we speak!
O_O
Hey! Why are you laughing! This is serious!!!
I’m glad this disclosure happened. There’s abuses this Republic has committed against it’s citizens that are worthy of stinging rebuke. That this rebuke has come outside the ‘rebuke framework’ set up by the Constitution is unfortunate, but that framework failed to stop these abuses in the first place, so here’s a random emergency override, with perfect timing.
Snowden’s not a hero or a traitor, just a human doing what comes natural to those with opportunity and mettle: the taking of a principled stand, for better or worse.
I imagine the NSA knows the weather conditions in Hong Kong better than you, newrouter.
Your link goes to an 11:30 am Central Standard time update from earlier today. That was just before Midnight Hong Kong Time yesterday.
It’s already the middle of tomorrow over there.
79 with a dewpoint of 68? Not what I would call good sleeping weather.
Was the principled part the disclosure to the virulently anti-American Glen Greenwald, or was it the subsequent taking of the high road to China, so to speak?
Agree with you about the hero part; still undecided about the traitor bit.
It’s gonna be 96 here tomorrow, and humidity level at unbreathtaking. I’d like to be anywhere else, except perhaps Atlanta and environs. Or New Orleans. Because they’re always hotter and more humid than here.
– I’m assuming we won’t be hearing any more rants from the Left concerning Boooooshes outrageous survalance of the electorate.
– I’m watching with interest certain “reactions” from the establishment, or lack there of. In the case of Snowden one thing noticably missing is the use of the word whistleblower. Funny that.
There goes that glimmer of hope that the media might finally start doing its job.
Choosing Gleens because he was accessible I’m guessing (there’s so many of him ). The China dodge is curious, but if the world’s greatest superpower is wanting you dead, where else to turn for help except to the world’s next biggest superpower (who might also want him dead after they extract what he knows). It’s a risk he took, probably not too well-planned. He’s living minute-to-minute I’d imagine, knowing he’s not much of a future ahead of him.
China is just a slowerer suicide at this junct-ure. Kid’s doomed, and he knows it.
If that’s literally true, then we’re no longer a free country. I can understand him thinking that (after all, who are the bad guys, and what do they do to whistleblowers, folks who know too much, the overly curious etc., in damn near every spy/political thriller ever made?), but I don’t think it’s literally true. At least I fervently hope it isn’t.
That again points to what I was complaining about earlier. The schadenfreude of blame America first chickens coming home to roost on the most blame it on America administration we’ve yet experienced isn’t particularly satisfying.
I really wish the guy had called a news conference, laid it all out, and then waited to be arrested.
I wonder what Greenwald’s cabana boy thinks about all of this?
We’re no longer a free county if every little thing we say or do or email or scribe is captured and held without our knowledge. Now that we know the extent of the surveillance, we need to know the real intent of it. Those reasons that’re given? not good enough. We just had a terrorist attack carried out by a handful of numbskulls in Boston; none of this massive surveillance prevented that. We have countless Anonymous hack3rs attacking Government and private computers, and none of this data-mining could stop or identify even those pasty geeks? If not for those two obviously helpful purposes, what (and who) is all of this really intended to stop?
Someone(s) so wants to be as a God, and know everything about every one. O! for omniscience!
Forgot to mention this earlier. While I was out and about this afternoon, I was behind a car with a USMC license plate holder and the following bumper sticker:
What do you feel when you kill a terrorist?
RECOIL
food stamp has already slaughtered american citizens with his killdrones
america is a sick fucking joke anymore
I bet it all falls to shit disease and fail before I even get to taste a cronut
We are the sum of our parts. And our parts have been rotting since the mid-sixties. Look it up.
Eminent Domain” Back On Table Following Fed’s Latest Bailout Proposal
don’t let nobody never tell you you’re not a fucking joke America – for reals with July 4 coming up you need to keep your head on straight and not listen to the bullshitters with their fireworks and their liberty and justice for all nonsense
you know what you are
if i look it up they’ll know i know Mr. serr8d
NR, when I was out looking for him on Monday at lunch time, three separate outdoor thermometers had it at ~ 30 C. Not a shot it was 80
The humidity was over 90% since it opened up around 2 pm
You remind me of the hysterical woman in Airplane! who needed some sense slapped back into her.
your massageyness does not reflect well on you
Trust Us – Trust Us – Trust Us – Repeat
Trust is what is taking the worst beating and will be both hard to restore and something that must be restored if the country is to continue to function at all.
Having it go away, destroying it, might be a big enough win for those hating the US for it to be worth whatever else will follow from the various scandals.
how will we ever know if our elected whores are actually doing what they think their jobs are or if an NSA piggy boy is pulling their strings
boehner has become such a whore for illegal immigrants and so fast, and kelly ayotte is having a wetback baby
you just have to wonder
The wife thought quite the opposite, in point of fact.
oh.
Sometimes massageyness is in the eye of the beholder i think.
Not unlike means and ends.
Sorry in advance…I’m gonna self-whore just this once more time. Because it’s an open thread, I don’t do blogging very much anymore, it’s a rare unusual thing; so don’t expect much, or for it to happen again.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I have a problem loading these long threads. More times than not they hang during loading and I have to reload.
30°C is 86°F. Over pavement embedded among buildings, a six-degree variation is background noise.
Rather than ask the NSA I’ll ask you: what equipment, OS and browser are you using?
If you are on your phone, cranky, I’ve found these long threads do hang during loading. PC or laptop? No problem there.
Firefox, 4-core i7, 12GB of memory, Windows 7.
It’s a few years old now, but still viable I think.
Since I’ve complained, it seems to have stopped happening.
New thread, poster people?
I bet it all falls to shit disease and fail before I even get to taste a cronut
Now THAT’s the unkindest cut of all.
The sun ain’t gonna shine anymore
The moon ain’t gonna rise in the sky
The tears are always clouding your eyes…
Weird, I’m running Firefox-Windows 7 on an old AMD Semipron 3 core with 4 GB of memory and it loads fine.
Sorry in advance…I’m gonna self-whore just this once more time. Because it’s an open thread, I don’t do blogging very much anymore, it’s a rare unusual thing; so don’t expect much, or for it to happen again.
Shucks, that wasn’t whoring. That was just a little flirt.
Holy crap! I’m logged in!
New open thread, folks.