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“National surveys show that teens who believe their parents would strongly disapprove of them using substances were less likely to try them than their peers.” [Darleen Click]

Too many parents have doubts of their influence on their children …

The report, from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), says nearly one in 10 parents (9.1%) said they did not talk to their kids ages 12 through 17 about the dangers of using alcohol, tobacco or other drugs in the past year. […]

National surveys show that teens who believe their parents would strongly disapprove of them using substances were less likely to try them than their peers were, says Peter Delany, director of the Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality at the SAMHSA.

“Any time is a good time to talk to your kids when you have a chance,” Delany says. “But if you haven’t started talking to your kids, before school gets out is an especially good time.

For many teens, having a parent set expectations of sobriety actually give the teen an “out” during peer pressure. “If my dad found out I took meth, he’d kill me!” can carry weight with peers.

It’s dismaying to find such a significant percentage of parents feel so helpless and ineffectual they don’t even try; but it is not surprising. We are bombarded with “let teens do what they want, they will anyway” cynicism. “Self-control” is a dirty dirty concept.

Just look at the treatment directed at any adult who believes sexual behavior for teens is Not.A.Good.Idea.

Heh.

138 Replies to ““National surveys show that teens who believe their parents would strongly disapprove of them using substances were less likely to try them than their peers.” [Darleen Click]”

  1. happyfeet says:

    that report is a good use of the money we borrow from the chinesers

    or maybe we bought this with the free money what whorenanke printed up for us

    but either way it’s good that the government tells us what we is supposed to say to our kids

    thank you government!

    damn I know it seems like I never stop saying that, but I mean it

  2. Ernst Schreiber says:

    As you noted, just another of the many mixed messages society puts out for public consumption.

    Somebody needs to invent an addiction prophylactic.

  3. BigBangHunter says:

    – Somebody needs to remember that neither villages or children raise children.

  4. BigBangHunter says:

    – Bumblefuck “pivots” back into campaigning mode.

    – Because really, for the Left, as long as he promises to do certain things, whether its a lie, and they know its a lie, its only the perception that counts for them, as things continue to go undone in either direction, leading from behind.

  5. dicentra says:

    It’s also hard for parents who toked a few in their day, because they don’t want to be hypocrites, and being a hypocrite is worse than standing by passively while your kid plows his life into a cliff.

  6. LBascom says:

    I think the mistake waaaay too many parents make is they think they need to be their kids bestest buddy.

    Wrong.

    I about died yesterday, watching an old episode of “Good Times”. The story involved the young son being tormented by a bully, and the father, against the advice of the mom(!), told the kid to stand up to the punk and punch his lights out. Wait, that’s not the amazing part.

    So, standing up to the bully worked so well the kid didn’t even end up having to fight the kid, and actually made friends and invited the punk over for the night to help him with his homework. But that bit of realism isn’t what got me either.

    The punk shows up, and starts giving the Dad a ton of attitude, and here’s where I almost cried at what once was…

    The dad dragged the little punk in the back room and took a belt to his little ass! Right on TV! There was crying and screaming coming from the room while the kids that lived there calmly discussed if dad was administrating the standard, tough, or nuclear whipping. The kid staggers out, shirt ripped, an amazed look on his face, and has trouble sitting, whereupon the other kids pronounce it was the nuclear. Then the punk is further amazed when the dad says he held back because he wasn’t a family member, and the mom explains the harsher whipping of a family member was due to the greater love parents feel for their kids.

    it was surreal to see a peek at the past few scarcely even believe happened. And fewer still understand that kids are happier and end up better people for having clear boundaries that promote understanding of the limits of life.

    It’s weird to watch civilization devolve in the name of progressive intellectualism…

  7. Ernst Schreiber says:

    And then they wrote John Amos out of the series because two parents wasn’t authentic to the black experience.

    Or so I’ve heard.

    Line from that show I’ll never forget: John Amos heads to the bedroom declaring he’s going to go watch the John Wayne movie. The mother asks him how he knows there’s a John Wayne movie on.

    “Baby, there’s always a John Wayne movie on.”

    Damn, I love John Wayne movies.

  8. Patrick Chester says:

    It’s also hard for parents who toked a few in their day, because they don’t want to be hypocrites, and being a hypocrite is worse than standing by passively while your kid plows his life into a cliff.

    The word “hypocrite” seems to be another term that has been deliberately redefined/mangled by progressives. Parents who use drugs, and tell their kids not to are hypocrites. Parents who used to use drugs, stopped when they realized what a bad idea it was and try to keep their kids from starting are not hypocrites.

    Though progressives seem to enjoy pretending the latter instance is hypocrisy.

  9. LBascom says:

    It was funny too, after that there waq s an episode of “What’s Happening” where there were some comments made about race that would have made the payments on a thousand lawyers student loans had they been made today.

    America really sucks now that it’s Utopia….

  10. LBascom says:

    I once warned my kid about the dangers of using recreational pharmaceuticals while sharing a joint with him.

    Does that make me a hypocrite?

  11. BigBangHunter says:

    – Hopefully before I die my youngest will mature enough to forgive me for raising him. Whatever he decides, the important thing is whatever I did helps him survive long enough to be alive to be able to make that choice.

  12. Patrick Chester says:

    LBascom: Unless you were doing it to show how bad the coughing jags get, yeah, likely. ;-D

  13. BigBangHunter says:

    – Proof of Global warming is getting more difficult to ignore with each passing day.

  14. Car in says:

    This can’t be true. The young folks I work with tell me I’m doing it all wrong by expecting my kids to not drink and have sex as teenagers.

    Because, you see, THEIR parents let them do these things, and they turned out fine.

    Additionally, apparently my stance (so ridged, you know) is going to MAKE THEM WANT TO DO IT EVEN MORE. They’re probably going to turn into drug addicts and sluts. Because that’s what happened to their friends who had parents who weren’t as accommodating as theirs.

    I can’t argue with that-there logic.

  15. Car in says:

    I tell them my kids – three in high school right now (actually, one is graduating) – are all good kids who don’t rebel against my rigidity – not drinking behind my back or sneaking out to have sex.

    They nod knowingly to each other at my naivete.

    Except, they are completely wrong. I think it was because I homeschooled them until high school, but they don’t rebel, etc. They have friends and a social life, but simply aren’t drawn to the bad kids.

  16. serr8d says:

    Worked for conservative me; parent pressure overcame popular-culture-degraded peer pressure. And as further anecdotal evidence, a liberal family I know well has two offspring. Both grew up without traditional value-added pressures. One is in college draining her parents of scant resources, unmindful of the costs. The other is fast-tracking to failure, on substances I’ve never heard of..

    Another told me his son is going back to Quantico to train as a drill instructor. He takes some credit for that, because he was always yelling at the kid.

    You tend your crop of kids well, you will be rewarded with successful adults. Otherwise you’ll have a national crisis when all the little shits grow up and vote free shit for their spoiled selves.

  17. BigBangHunter says:

    – This post would definately need to be included in the “Water is Wet” – The Big book of everyday common sense facts for learning challenged Progressives.

  18. Slartibartfast says:

    They nod knowingly to each other at my naivete.

    What they don’t know is that even if they are right, you are training your children to be much more creative and devious than their kids are.

  19. I think the mistake waaaay too many parents make is they think they need to be their kids bestest buddy.

    At the risk of quoting myself, “A nation that trades ideals for approachability trades aspirations that reach to the stars for those that barely stretch across the room.”

    (From this almost totally unrelated blog entry I posted just this morning.)

  20. leigh says:

    Carin, those kids you work with would really call me naïve: Catholic primary school, organized sports, chores, jobs, threat of removing college funds if they fuck up by a) wrecking the car by driving like an ass, b) doing drugs, which would also get them bounced from sports, c) knocking up a girl before marriage.

    Lee, my philosophy about being their “friend” is that they have lots of friends. They only get one mother and father.

  21. dicentra says:

    Oh, c’mon you guys!

    QUESTION AUTHORITY!

    A self-deconstructing statement if ever there was one.

  22. Libby says:

    My son an I were downtown (16th street mall) only a few blocks from the 420 pot-a-palooza this year. He got a good look at ‘your brain on drugs’ as I have told him many times that pot can permanently damage your brain over time. The bonus was having him hear a partially coherent account of the shooting from a stoned dude as we stood in line at a coffee shop. He thought the guy was weird and smelled. Lesson learned: being wasted makes you look (and act and smell) weird and unsafe.

  23. Darleen says:

    my SIL’s mom works at a high desert school and we were swapping horror stories about how public skools just don’t give a sh*t about the kids .. all they care is about the $$. She says the teachers at her school are not backed up all by the admin, that the bad kids (and we’re NOT talking about pranks, but stuff like rape, drug dealing and hooking in the bathrooms) seem to run the school. One particularly bad dude, currently on probation for sexual assault, is still at the school AND dealing drugs, but he’s a great football player so the principal makes excuses for him.

    insane

  24. SDN says:

    darleen, I’m guessing that probie is also a member of an Official Government Victim Group.

  25. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The only way Carin’s story could be better is if the yutes warning her that her rigid, authoritarian, indeed, maternal ways are going to turn her oppressed kids into rebellious drug addicted sluts are themselves drug addicts and sluts.

  26. leigh says:

    They are, Ernst. She has related their weed smoking, round heeled ways in the past.

  27. LBascom says:

    I really think the effects of smoking weed are greatly exaggerated. I think you do damage to your credibility in telling kids weed is in the same league as, say, crack.

    Then they look around and see that the president smoked weed(well, two presidents, but the other one says he didn’t inhale). Newt admitted smoking weed. All kinds of very successful people smoke(d) weed.

    By the way, Tommy Chong turned 70 the other day. He’s still touring which Cheech.

    I’m not suggesting you tell kids weed is cool or anything, just keep things in perspective, that’s all.

  28. dicentra says:

    Newt, Clinton, Obama.

    Three people whom we’d all like our children to emulate.

  29. leigh says:

    The weed today is exponentially stronger than the weed of the 70s. Today’s weed is more like opiated hashish from back in the day. We’ve had this discussion before, regarding the long term damage done from heavy marijuana smoking. Any kind of drug abuse, and that includes alcohol, is going to arrest the development and coping skills of the user at the age of onset.

    Getting high on the weekends is a whole other category than toking up in the truck on your lunch break at work everyday and then smoking bong hits all night until it’s time to go to bed. Multiply that out over, so 20 to 30 years and you are going to see a multiplier effect.

    Alcohol-wise, a boy in my son’s class died last week from alcohol poisoning. 17 years old and that’s all she wrote. His asshat “friends” just thought he’d passed out (no biggie, amiright?) until someone noticed he wasn’t breathing and probably hadn’t been for a couple of hours. Panic ensued while the under aged party goers alternately took off or stuck around to talk to the cops. Parents, you ask? Who knows where they were.

  30. happyfeet says:

    my new neighbors smoke a lot of weed but I like them a lot even though the alcove we share smells like weed all the time now

    i don’t smoke weed myself personally but maybe when i buy the new xbox and become an extreme hardcore gamer I might could give it a try

    but that won’t be til after christmas

    or realistically probably not til after taxes for 2013 are squared away

    i’ll need to get a prescription from a doctor though

  31. happyfeet says:

    as far as the alcohols go i’m a go right now to fresh n easy and fill up a cart with that wounded warrior wine

    it’s cheap and I hope hope hope it’s drinkable

    but anyway it’s for a good cause

    i pretty much quit doing any charitable activities since food stamp got reelected but I can make an exception for this I think

  32. bh says:

    In my experience the only real danger with the devil’s weed involves listening to some guy talk about the time he saw The String Cheese Incident.

  33. leigh says:

    Sounds dangerous, bh. You being in Cheeseheadlandia and all.

  34. Ernst Schreiber says:

    What about the threat to our precious bodily fluids? I thought dope was a Commie plot to enervate our life essence.

  35. bh says:

    It was Chicago at the time, leigh.

    Towards the post, I’d say Car in has it right. (Then you in a later comment, and then Libby in another.) Towards ganja itself? It’s one of those classic self-selection/correlation is not causation dealios.

    Thinking of everyone I know who smoked in college and for awhile after, you’d maybe think it automatically caused them to work 70 hour weeks. Which isn’t true either.

  36. leigh says:

    I agree about the self-selection/correction thing, bh. Like you, most people I knew who smoked and a few who did harder drugs, eventually stopped because of work/real life commitments. Sadly, a few fell down the rabbit hole and some never came back out. The thing I try to tell my boys is that you really, really need to be careful about who you party with if you decide to party. I can’t stop them when they get out from under my roof, but until then, I want to know who they’re with and what they’re doing. I only have the baby, the 17 year old baby *sniff* left at home, but he’s grown up watching his brother doing well and getting a great job right out of college without any us having to bail him out of jail/other problems or having Dad drive to Norman and give him a Stern Talking To.

  37. bh says:

    I thought dope was a Commie plot to enervate our life essence.

    To take a joke seriously, I tend to think that pot makes the enervation of one’s essence more enjoyable than normal rather than causing one to make the initial decision to “fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.”

  38. dicentra says:

    I’ve spent my entire adult life trying to get my brain chemistry to just be NORMAL. Blamed if I’m gonna deliberately screw with it.

  39. bh says:

    As a parent (which I’m not), I think I’d try and teach my kid to non-binge drink by giving him/her a little glass of beer/wine during big events like holidays or personal celebrations from about 16 or so onward. Then I’d talk about how it erodes inhibitions and could cause you to make dumb decisions if you drink too much.

    Towards pot? Think I’d say it’s a bad idea to take drugs while the brain is still developing. That they might well be making a bad choice to retard themselves. That there’ll be punishments meted out if I ever catch wind of any use.

    Towards all the rest? I will murder them and all their friends and maybe burn the whole block down. I’d use my crazy eyes and use lots of hand gestures.

  40. newrouter says:

    “use lots of hand gestures.”

    that’s when i knew you were serious

  41. bh says:

    Hand gestures show that you mean business.

    Or that you’re one of those hot-blooded peoples from the Mediterranean.

  42. bh says:

    I reckon some of this comes down to a parents’ willingness to knuckle down and give a good example.

    Right before I went back home to take care of my siblings after my ma died I was still smoking weed and drinking too much. But, the circumstances changed so I had to as well. It didn’t matter that I could get wasted and still be at work the next morning, which was how I justified it in my own life. It wasn’t a good example for them because they shouldn’t be doing so and they were watching me.

    It sucked. But, in a way, it really didn’t. In any normal historical time period, I wouldn’t have been living as a juvenile, feral male at that age anyways. I would have been married with my own kids.

    Maybe some people have problems being parents because they have problems coming to grips with being adults.

  43. leigh says:

    Maybe some people have problems being parents because they have problems coming to grips with being adults.

    I don’t believe there is any maybe about it, bh. It’s embarrassing that my 50+ friends insist on acting like children. No wonder I stay home a lot.

  44. bh says:

    I could have been that 50+ friend if things had gone differently, I imagine.

    It’s one of those reasons I’m a very religion friendly agnostic. Say what you want about The Church but they successfully instilled some very basic ideas into my young head.

    Dress appropriately. Yes, ma’am. Yes, sir. Show up on time. Work a full day. Be clean. Be pleasant to those around you.

    Shit, that’s about all I’d ask for in a young kid nowadays and they’d have the inside track on a management job.

  45. bh says:

    And… think twice about getting that neck tattoo, son.

    At least sleep on it.

  46. LBascom says:

    “Three people whom we’d all like our children to emulate”.

    People that became the most powerful/influential in the world?

    Na, they can have it, pot smoking aside…

    “bh says May 27, 2013 at 7:37 pm”

    This was pretty much my philosophy on kids and drugs in a nutshell.

  47. leigh says:

    I could have been right there on the next barstool with you, bh. I took a good look at my life when I was about 25 and decided I was on the fast track to Nowhere and changed all that. It cost me my “friends” who turned out not to be my friends, but my codependents and enablers, but it also forced me to grow up. It makes me want to shake them now that most of them have been married and divorced about a dozen times and have numerous children scattered around. The funny thing is, their kids act like parents to their parents. That is if the kids will still allow them in their lives now that they have children of their own and are real straight arrows. Or jailbirds depending on which path they decided to follow, but mostly the former.

    Ixnay on the tats, is what I tell my kids. If you still feel the need to get inked up, wait until you are ensconced in a well-paying job and cannot be replaced.

    In other words: Never.

  48. happyfeet says:

    the wounded warrior wine is ok

    it could have a lil more personality but it’s not bad

    i got two cases of the red and one bottle of the white

    here are the places where you can buy them

    it helps soldiers what have had grievous mishaps, so you should make the effort

    i can’t imagine why people would want to place themselves in the service of a fascist whorecountry like our one, especially to where they might not get to keep all their parts

    it’s mystifying

    but still whatever it’s a much more better cause than most

    like that fucking hurricane sandy bullshit

  49. bh says:

    The funny thing is, their kids act like parents to their parents.

    I occasionally have problems relating to well-reared, healthy people because of this.

    You don’t know how to handle this problem? You’re gonna break down and cry? How did you survive your childhood then? You’re clearly trying to con me.

  50. newrouter says:

    ” I’m a very religion friendly agnostic.”

    i with the xtians. all the other cults spin their wheels.

  51. BT says:

    i can’t imagine why people would want to place themselves in the service of a fascist whorecountry like our one, especially to where they might not get to keep all their parts

    Forks in the road.

  52. happyfeet says:

    Dust in the wind.

  53. bh says:

    There are currently serving military men reading this blog. You could always ask them.

  54. bh says:

    I mean, you’re wondering, right?

    Be forthright. Ask the question.

  55. newrouter says:

    “Forks in the road.”

    see that fuck that be chitown , see that fork that be america

  56. bh says:

    I have some email addresses if you’d like to ask directly.

    Just let me know and I’ll email them to you.

  57. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I think the country is still big. It’s the political class that’s gotten small.

  58. happyfeet says:

    the only really good reason to go into the military is cause the job market for young people is shit I think

    my lil nephew person wants to go into the navy

    this will be a feasible thing for him to do in a scant few years

    on the flipside his college is paid for so there’s no real reason to go risking life and limb in the service of a fascist whorestate

    but I guess if you’re already in the military you want to stay in cause the job market is shit

    and you can aim for that sweet sweet pension

    which, ok, but be super careful and don’t take any unnecessary risks

    but really the people what do the mostest good for america are the private sector people what create wealth or assist in the creation of wealth so if you’re patriotic it’s way more better to place yourself in the service of free enterprise than in the service of a fascist whorestate I think

  59. bh says:

    So what you’re saying is that you don’t want to ask that question directly to people who could answer it with personal knowledge?

  60. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Wow. The banality. It’s just…

    wow

  61. bh says:

    You could mention how the only good reason to join the military is because the job market is shit and how you should only stay in because the job market is shit and the pensions.

    You could mention this personally. Directly.

    Then, after expressing this wonderment, you could ask them your question.

  62. happyfeet says:

    no i don’t really care what they think I’m paying their fucking paycheck remember

  63. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Markos wassis-kos couldn’t have said that any better.

  64. bh says:

    no i don’t really care what they think I’m paying their fucking paycheck remember

    You’re a super awesome employer. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

  65. Ernst Schreiber says:

    My 10:18 was for ‘feet’s 10:14, but it applies to his 10:18 too.

  66. happyfeet says:

    with the part of my paycheck leftover from paying for military readyness and such I got some beats wireless headphones

    which, yes I know you overpay for them but so far I’m pretty happy

    i tried to go to fry’s to make a Shrewd Purchase but that place is a goddamn mess – and it’s weird how much empty shelf space and pegboard they have

    so i went to best buy and asked a lil kid I said hey what are some good wireless headphones, and he said these ones, and handed me the dre wireless things

    I said thank you – done and done

    and that is the story of how I came to own my beats wireless headphones

  67. newrouter says:

    ” Do they mean peace, or do they mean we just want to be left in peace? There can be no real peace while one American is dying some place in the world for the rest of us. We’re at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind in his long climb from the swamp to the stars, and it’s been said if we lose that war, and in so doing lose this way of freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment that those who had the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening. Well I think it’s time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers.”

  68. happyfeet says:

    yeah well Mr. newrouter after the feckless Iraq and Afghanistan fiascoes where we spent a buttload of money in exchange for a handful of shit we all have to rethink this military bullshit cause it’s fucked up

    food stamp squandered any and every opportunity for any of this to have meant anything – and he did it lickety-split with nary a peep from Team R

    done and done

    and now our mostest biggest national security issues are our fascist america-hating president and our gigantic obscene swollen debt

    no it’s not Russia, loser-assed piece of shit Mitt Romney

    the enemy is already inside the gates you dumbass

  69. bh says:

    It’s strange that you aren’t more curious about other people’s thoughts and motivations, ‘feets.

    You’re talking about them, their jobs, and their sense of honorable obligation. But you don’t care at all what they might think?

    Strange.

  70. BT says:

    “Forks in the road.”

    see that fuck that be chitown , see that fork that be america

    For me it was south to orlando or east to columbia. For others it was jail or enlist.

    Those were different times. We operated without the benefit of a crystallizing event like 9/11.

  71. newrouter says:

    “Mr. newrouter after the feckless Iraq and Afghanistan fiascoes”

    yes also include the shores of tripoli

  72. happyfeet says:

    it’s not that strange really

    people are free to make their own choices

    I like people making their own choices

    but I don’t necessarily want to hear all the whys and wherefores

  73. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Well I think it’s time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers.”

    I asked the The Magic Eight Ball and was told to “concentrate and ask again.”

    Which seems to me to be about right.

  74. newrouter says:

    “We operated without the benefit of a crystallizing event like 9/11.”

    i laugh at that. the proggtardians are ready to go. forward into a proggtard dereliction.

  75. newrouter says:

    “I like people making their own choices”

    allan ackbar you die plumbing infidel.

  76. Ernst Schreiber says:

    You know, newrouter, the difference between you and happyfeet is that you don’t mean to be a troll when you get trollish.

  77. bh says:

    Here, I’ll make it easier for you.

    Serving in the military, even at this very moment, doesn’t give one any absolute moral authority. Indeed, out of the many in service, a few have to be total assholes. Like, really, really big assholes.

    See, I said the hard stuff for you. You still don’t want to hear any whys or wherefores?

    This is strange. I imagine that you try to get into the head of the person serving you food if they have a momentarily off look on their face.

    But, here on this blog, after stating things so provocatively, you don’t care at all what active service military might think? Not at all? Not even a little?

    Don’t wonder just a wee teensy bit?

  78. Ernst Schreiber says:

    As far as I know. Maybe you’re just a better troll than he is.

  79. BT says:

    I was speaking of the progtards. I was speaking from my own experience.

    9/11/2001, just after the 2nd plane hit my son called and asked if he should go enlist. I told him to wait a bit. He did and he did. He is still serving.

    Different times, different forks, different roads.

  80. happyfeet says:

    i have no idea what you’re on about

    things what can’t go on forever won’t

    and that includes our brokedick whorestate’s gold-plated superpower military

  81. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Forget it Jake bh. It’s China- troll attention-whore-town.

  82. BT says:

    I wasn’t speaking of the progtards.

  83. happyfeet says:

    oh. excuse me Mr. BT i should have been more clear I was responding to Mr. bh

  84. Ernst Schreiber says:

    That brokedick whorestate’s gold-plated superpower military, for all it’s faults, has kept the peace* for more than half a century.

    *relatively speaking. We didn’t all burn during the coldwar, and for the most part, the Jihad has remained in the sandbox.

    If the Nobel people (whomever they are) had any integrity at all, they’d award the Peace prize to the armed forces of the United States in perpetuity, and close shop.

  85. happyfeet says:

    If the Nobel people (whomever they are) had any integrity at all, they’d award the Peace prize to the armed forces of the United States in perpetuity, and close shop.

    i agree one hundred percent but about whomever they are I’m pretty sure they’re some exotic varietal of scandi

  86. bh says:

    i have no idea what you’re on about

    i can’t imagine why people would want to place themselves in the service of a fascist whorecountry like our one, especially to where they might not get to keep all their parts

    There are currently serving military men reading this blog. You could always ask them.

  87. newrouter says:

    “i have no idea what you’re on about”

    islam/muslims have been at war with whoever since about 700 ad. you could look it up?

  88. happyfeet says:

    yes i could

    but tediousness would ensue and i have new headphones to play with

  89. bh says:

    Those are the relevant snippets.

    It’s not a particularly hard concept to digest.

    You have something you can’t imagine. There are people around here who might help you with this. They could tell you their motivations and thoughts personally. Would you like me to facilitate your speaking with them directly so that they might help answer your question?

  90. newrouter says:

    “You know, newrouter, the difference between you and happyfeet is that you don’t mean to be a troll when you get trollish.”

    yes i was trolling for plumbing put downs

  91. newrouter says:

    “but tediousness would ensue and i have new headphones to play with”

    or a man in la with a meat cleaver screaming ” allan has fine clones”

  92. Ernst Schreiber says:

    That would take genuine humility, bh, a quality alien to the pickachu.

  93. happyfeet says:

    thanks but no thanks Mr. bh I’m not super-concerned with knowing more about enlisted people’s motivations and thoughts personally

    i have friends and family serving in uniform and last time I talked to one of them we talked about star trek into darkness which me personally I have not seen

    before that we talked about obamacare

    it is what it is they’re in the military I hope they stay safe

    but they have been ill-used in our recent past and it’s likely they will be ill-used some mores as we move forward

    jesus fuck why is meghan’s coward daddy in syria for the love of all that’s holy

  94. Ernst Schreiber says:

    i agree one hundred percent [that If the Nobel people (whomever they are) had any integrity at all, they’d award the Peace prize to the armed forces of the United States in perpetuity, and close shop.]but about whomever they are I’m pretty sure they’re some exotic varietal of scandi

    So, why then would you presume that the only reason for someone to join one of the most benificent organizations in the history of Man is a paycheck?

  95. newrouter says:

    so what happens when one of allan’s guys cuts the throat of a pikachu in la on tv? i’m sure buzzfeed will carry it.

  96. newrouter says:

    hey pickachu the allan’s guys play for the reals

  97. happyfeet says:

    you did not answer my question about meghan’s coward daddy

  98. Ernst Schreiber says:

    We’re a nation aborned in revolution against an oppressive regime. McCain ws being dangerous.

  99. happyfeet says:

    we are a nation under the thumb of an oppressive regime

    we are a nation what is not noticeably in revolution mode

  100. happyfeet says:

    did you know about snipping tool

    it started in Win 7 I think

    go to START and in the search programs and files box type “snipping”

  101. newrouter says:

    “you did not answer my question about meghan’s coward daddy”

    he don’t have fat tits to show just fat war bullshit. eff him and his military bureaucracy background. eff his admirals.

  102. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Maybe the fact that we’re not in revolution mode is why McCain is in Syria living revolution vicariously.

  103. newrouter says:

    at this point i’m disappointed with the north vietnamese

  104. happyfeet says:

    i’m just disappointed rather generally and ubiquitously

    this america thing is turning out to be a crock of shit

  105. newrouter says:

    john mccain with a stupid daughter is john effin kerry with a dumb biotch wife

  106. newrouter says:

    Thus the power structure, through the agency of those who carry out the sanctions, those anonymous components of the system, will spew the greengrocer from its mouth. The system, through its alienating presence in people, will punish him for his rebellion. It must do so because the logic of its automatism and self-defense dictate it. The greengrocer has not committed a simple, individual offense, isolated in its own uniqueness, but something incomparably more serious. By breaking the rules of the game, he has disrupted the game as such. He has exposed it as a mere game. He has shattered the world of appearances, the fundamental pillar of the system. He has upset the power structure by tearing apart what holds it together. He has demonstrated that living a lie is living a lie. He has broken through the exalted facade of the system and exposed the real, base foundations of power. He has said that the emperor is naked.

    link

  107. bh says:

    this america thing is turning out to be a crock of shit

    Looking at it in such a light, yeah, it did create some fairly incurious subjects.

    On the plus side, we don’t have to think about it in such a light. This America thing remains a thing. Like an idea, maybe.

  108. Ernst Schreiber says:

    This ought to give the GOP cheerleaders pause, but I doubt it.

    The GOP is moribund.

  109. happyfeet says:

    not sure I buy that whole idea thing when we have people slavering to denude a teen lesbian chick of her freedom and lock her up for 15 years

    this freedom thing does not seem to remain very much of a thing at all

    it’s scarcely an idea anymore

  110. newrouter says:

    “people slavering to denude a teen lesbian chick of her freedom and lock her up for 15 years”

    killing pickachus with a cleaver on the streets of la is more fun

  111. bh says:

    Take the former up with Hammurabi and how such things have been useful through the ages.

    For the latter? Why pretend that you care about such things? You don’t. Let’s not waste time making believe.

  112. newrouter says:

    pickachu the allan ackbar crowd will contain your anti darwinistic stuff

  113. happyfeet says:

    i care deeply

    i am a very deeply-caring person

    message: I care

  114. bh says:

    This is the sort of magic that will finally get you staffed in a CW writing room.

  115. Ernst Schreiber says:

    There you go confusing freedom with license. Again.

  116. newrouter says:

    “i am a very deeply-caring person”

    you be making a moral vacuum. the allan ackbar crowd will fill it.

  117. palaeomerus says:

    “i’m just disappointed rather generally and ubiquitously
    this america thing is turning out to be a crock of shit”

    Yeah. If nobody does that corny America thing anymore then it just won’t get done.

  118. Pablo says:

    this freedom thing does not seem to remain very much of a thing at all

    If only the Founders had enumerated the right to have sex with 14 year olds…

  119. Car in says:

    he only way Carin’s story could be better is if the yutes warning her that her rigid, authoritarian, indeed, maternal ways are going to turn her oppressed kids into rebellious drug addicted sluts are themselves drug addicts and sluts.

    Well, they’re a mixed bag. Mostly, I think they’re too young to be giving a parent advice on how to raise kids. For every person who did drugs, drank, and had sex at the age of 14 and TURNED OUT FINE, I could point out a shit-ton of other folks who didn’t turn out so great.

    All I have to do, really, is point to the dishwashers. (restaurant work)

    If you’re a dishwasher over the age of 21, you’re doing it wrong.

  120. Car in says:

    this freedom thing does not seem to remain very much of a thing at all

    If only the Founders had enumerated the right to have sex with 14 year olds…

    The 18 year old was free to “love” the 14 year old. Just not touch her.

  121. Slartibartfast says:

    The threadjack, it is epic.

    I’m not super-concerned with knowing more about enlisted people’s motivations and thoughts personally

    hf is super-concerned with much, but not super-concerned with knowing things. especially things that he can just make up in his tiny pikachu brain.

  122. mondamay says:

    happyfeet says May 27, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    i don’t smoke weed myself personally but maybe when i buy the new xbox and become an extreme hardcore gamer I might could give it a try

    Real “hardcore gamers” build their own rigs. They don’t just buy a neutered media consumption/tracking box from Microsoft.

  123. happyfeet says:

    you’re probably right but I need to have the whole xbox live thing going on – the gaming thing is partly something I need to do for work so I stay up to speed on it

    it doesn’t sound like you have big expectations for the next gen xbox thing

  124. mondamay says:

    The new Xbox is more about selling you movies and stuff than any kind of serious gaming. Given Microsoft’s track record of bad/noisy/unreliable hardware, you probably won’t want this thing on while you’re watching a movie, and if/when it goes fails, you’ll have to rewire your whole setup, because Microsoft wants you to run everything through the Xbox, like a home theater PC, only proprietary, prefab, and watching every move you make through its always-on camera and microphone.

    If the gaming/media thing doesn’t work out they can always blackmail you for what you do in your living room I guess. That’s still a more realistic revenue model that Twitter.

    Tell your friends/coworkers to go with Steam on a PC if they need an online game service. They only charge you for stuff you buy rather than that monthly fee for nothing that the consoles want.

  125. Gulermo says:

    “people are free to make their own choices”

    Freedom; where DOES it come from?

    Personal question for you; the irony, does it burn?

    My Dad once told me that some people are born to stupid to know when to breath. He said the fact that they survive at all is the testament to HIS sense of humor.

  126. Gulermo says:

    “The 18 year old was free to “love” the 14 year old. Just not touch her.”

    Grooming, just a she was groomed.

  127. happyfeet says:

    i can look at steam in the meantime

    but i need to pick up a joystick and what have you if I’m a do the pc game thing

    the new pc is ready but I didn’t go swap out the drives yesterday – might will do that tonight

  128. mondamay says:

    Sorry for typos:

    if/when it fails

    than Twitter

  129. happyfeet says:

    plus also even if the new xbox is disappointing one way you might could fix that is with sufficient amounts of marijuana consumption

  130. mondamay says:

    So the goal isn’t hardcore gaming, but is instead hardcore pot smoking?

    There will be a record. The unblinking eye never sleeps.

  131. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Grooming

    Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

  132. Gulermo says:

    “Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?”

    No, no it doesn’t.

    Some here will tell you it’s not a choice they are, after all, born “that” way. Evidence suggest something entirely different.

  133. serr8d says:

    The unblinking eye never sleeps

    Bandaid. Or duct tape.

    Personally, I’d use a 5-lb sledge.

  134. Gulermo says:

    “Bandaid. Or duct tape.”

    Or a mask. Something in yellow?

  135. serr8d says:

    MaryJane is a hardcore gamer’s e1it3 mistress. Some things never change cross platforms, be it old arcade monkey boxes or home BluRay monkey boxes.

  136. Dale Price says:

    At least it’s nice to see social science backing up what our grandparents could have told us–had we bothered to ask.

    Parents matter, and they always will–despite all the wishcasting to the contrary.

  137. geoffb says:

    Holder: message, I care. Too.

  138. LBascom says:

    The only reason The child rapist turned down the plea deal and opened herself up to 15 years in prison is the Hunt family hasn’t made enough money off the #free kate merchandising franchise yet, and the Hunt family really needs the money since daddy Hunt was fired from the police department for lying under oath.

    If you’re an incurious varmint none of that matters though, I guess.

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