Which won’t be trumpeted near as much as their earlier support for the measure, something the groups’ leadership assured everyone was a real boon for gun wonders — and in fact, was a huge ass-kicking moment for Mr Toomey.
Turns out Schumer was laying in wait and stripped out the pro-gun provisions at the last moment. Whoops!
To paraphrase Eric Stratton, you fucked up. You trusted them!
The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms has withdrawn its support for the Manchin-Toomey alternative background check measure because a key amendment for restoration of firearms rights is not being considered.
Our support for this measure was contingent on several key provisions, the cornerstone of which was a rights restoration provision that is not on the schedule for consideration. This is not a reflection against Senators Joe Manchin or Pat Toomey, who are staunch Second Amendment advocates.
Maybe. But that just means they are political useful idiots, as was the CCRKBA.
Congrats.
And good luck scrambling at the last moment to take back your support. Once you gave it, that’s all the press needed to hear. They sold that far and wide.
They’ll report on your withdraw of support later, after the voting is done. Which by my watch is in about 40 minutes, no? But by all means, continue on with the late stage OUTRAGE!
[…] it appears the Democratic leadership in the Senate was opposed to letting this important consideration come up for a vote. We told everyone including a number of senators, that while there are many pro-gun rights provisions added to the main body of the bill, our support was contingent on this additional amendment coming to the floor. When we say something, we mean it.
Rights restoration has been withheld from American citizens for more than two decades, ever since Sen. Charles Schumer – when he was still in the House of Representatives – successfully strong-armed a provision to withdraw funding for rights restoration investigations by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Senators Manchin and Toomey are not to blame for this, as they have been negotiating in good faith throughout this process. But Schumer and other anti-gun Democrats are continuing their campaign of demagoguery in order to permanently disqualify as many Americans as possible from being able to exercise their fundamental rights under the Second Amendment.
[…]
If the Manchin-Toomey alternative now goes down to defeat, Democrats in the Senate, led by Harry Reid, have only themselves to blame. While the Manchin-Toomey alternative has a significant number of gains for gun owners, it will not include this key provision, upon which our support was dependent.
We cannot, in clear conscience, continue to support a measure that will not include this critical relief component. If Democrats like Schumer thought we could be flim flammed on this, they were wrong.
You keep telling yourself that, Chairman Gottlieb. You shamed yourself and your organization by pretending that anything MAIG or Schumer or Holder or Obama could have ever supported would provide relief for gun owners.
Obama sat on the Joyce Foundation. Holder is on record as saying Americans have to be brain washed so that they can have their guns taken away. And Schumer and Reid, by your own admission here, are snakes and deal in nothing but bad faith.
It’s who they are. It’s what they do.
You got played. As did Toomey. And no, I don’t think Manchin innocent in all this: he knew what the end game was. As did many pro-Second Amendment supporters who you harmed with the cover you gave these gun grabbers.
All for what you hoped were a few pieces of silver.
Live with it.
Too late. I hope more people drop their memberships with this clown car outfit.
Comity, collegiality, compromise. Stick them all where the sun don’t shine.
You got played. As did Toomey. And no, I don’t think Manchin innocent in all this: he knew what the end game was.
There are no more Boll Weevils or Blue Dogs anymore. They are all Commiecrats.
If they REALLY mean it then how about they have their leadership hold new elections and agree to step down. A clean and house and acceptance of some consequences help sell the repentance.
Yeah it’s down to the CCRKBA being dumb, intimidated into compliance, or corrupt. Any of those damn an advocacy group.
And frankly CCRKBA sounds like the name of some post WW2 eastern bloc Satellite that collapse after 1989.
I hadn’t joined Crackbay yet. Now I don’t need to.
If the Democrats are all reds now, where do you suppose the pinkos are hiding?
If the Democrats are all reds now, where do you suppose the pinkos are hiding?
Among the RINOs? :-)
where do you suppose the pinkos are hiding?
Why there goes
onea couple now.Which raises the uncomfortable question of who the real Only in Name Republicans are, don’t you think?
dirty harry just voted no
toomey/manchin amendment fails
He had to in order to bring a later motion to reconsider, right?
54 votes, though.
Now, the Cruz amendment is likely a good one. Let’s see if it passes…
So. Is this the first time in history that a citizens’ committee put their own heads in a noose?
Manchin votes against the Cruz amendment.
I wonder if CCRKBA is shocked — SHOCKED! — that he’s not really all that pro gun after all!
Well, there was Robespierre’s Committee of Public Safety, but technically that was a guillotine, not a noose, and they called themselves citoyens, not citizens.
Probably close enough for government work.
The Committee for Public Safety put a lot of other heads up on the block before they started putting each other’s up.
How the conversation should proceed:
Chuck Schumer: Really! It’s in there!
Repubs: “Prove it.”
CS: What, you don’t believe me?
R: Nope.
CS: How dare you impugn my veracity!
R: We dare because you’re a lying shit-weasle, Chuck.
CS: GASP!!
R: Oh, sit down. Nobody’s buying.
We need six fine souls
to turn their coats
turn their coats
turn their coats .
We need six brave souls
to turn their coats
and forty more
to dress like goats.
They curl up in the doggy bed and then wonder why they’re all itchy the next day…
Cruz is really showing that this is all about figuring out ways to criminalize gun ownership and nothing about safety or ensnaring bad actors intent on acting badly.
I agree with this take that various gun rights organizations have different strengths and really should know their limitations.
R: Oh, sit down. Nobody’s buying.
At least they aren’t offering to give him a pearl necklace so he can clutch at it.
Invertebrate.
Blah blah blah. That sensible Geraghty fellow explained all that days ago.
I mean, what would you rather have, a guy who’s going to vote to protect some of your rights some of the time, or a guy who’s going to vote to take away most of your rights most of the time? You need to stop confusing the issue by insisting on clarity here. Dirty purist.
He noted sarcastically.
If I had huge tits, I wonder if I could have a blog where I claim that people like John McCain make me not want to be a Republican any more and get published at Wonkette.
In my imagination you do, palaeo.
““Would it have prevented the most recent acts of gun violence? In all likelihood, no.”
So why vote for it, then? Why is it even on the floor?
Oh, right.
This from the guy who co-sponsored the Incumbent Protection Act.
Sounds like they should have…
*puts on sunglasses*
…stuck to their guns.
YYYYYEEeeeeaaaaaahhhhh!!!! GUITAR CHORDS
Thanks for that, William.
Good times.
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Anyone looking at my avatar can tell I’m all about the hot threads.
POTUS is on the tube right now, smoke coming out of his ears. The sound on the tube was low, so I couldn’t make out every word, but I got the gist:
HOW DARE YOU DEFY ME!
#NoClass
Anybody hear the subnormals at NPR this afternoon? I did, where I learned that “shame on you” hollered post-vote from the Senate balcony was newsworthy. Because the NRA is a hive of lying, lobbying, moneyed villainy, QED.
That bipartisan radio Pravda invests more emotional capital on quoting one another’s “liberalism” than a room full of Baghdad Bob sock puppets.
Di, The Five showed him marching to the lectern and then returned to their show. They said we could catch his remarks on Special Report.
Heh.
Because the NRA is a hive of lying, lobbying, moneyed villainy, QED.
What do they have against the National Restaurant Association?
Herman Cain, obviously
Raaaaaacists!
Speaking of Megan’s cowardly daddy, NPR did and they broadcast his back-slapping Messrs. Manchin and Toomey for their tireless advocacy for all that is right and proper or some such.
There was a bit about Republicans going all out to ensure legal weapons traffic continues among drug lords and mob kingpins, although nothing much was said about official gunrunning in Mexico.
Didn’t Bloomberg’s Mayor’s Against Illegal Guns group already outspend the NRA? I think I saw that on instapundit. Pablo?
Evidently shouting dissent from the balconies of Congress is suddenly back in vogue, leigh. Because morality.
“about Republicans going all out to ensure legal weapons traffic continues among drug lords and mob kingpin”
Oh yeah. Let’s investigate Justice and the Fast and the Furious further.
I’m sure the little god-king is going to need another vacation or two in order to calm down.
No need, palaeomerus. At NPR they’re already Justice.
” ensure legal weapons traffic continues among drug lords and mob kingpin”
Yep, because making them illegal would stop those two groups, who are well-known for their scrupulous respect for the law.
Jesus. Schumer is a fucking disaster. Honestly, I was out picking up my son but I recorded C-SPAN an he actually spoke against Cornyn’s amendment to allow CCW holders to carrry in other stats that allow CCW, and Schumer’s response was to say it’s “despicable,” that “police wouldn’t know who has a CCW,” and besides, criminals would go out and get them.
Does he not know what they are?
I swear to fuck this country is being run for morons by moronas.
“police wouldn’t know who has a CCW,”
Sure. Just like we don’t let people drive in other states, because the police wouldn’t know who has an out of state driver’s license.
If Schumer has ever uttered a rational sentence in his life, I’m not recalling it.
Feinstein: ‘Show Some Guts!’
difi see courtroom in phila.
link
Schumer isn’t a moron, he is fucking evil.
In my view, a state should be able to enforce whatever restrictions on gun use and possession within its borders that it chooses, as long as those restrictions are constitutional.
So none of them then, what with that whole “shall not be infringed” bit. Glad to see we’re on the same page, Mr. Hinderaker!
fu pinhead
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345878/obama-lashes-out-gun-lobby-wake-senate-vote
link
Obama Lashes Out at Gun Lobby in Wake of Senate Vote
“So none of them then, what with that whole “shall not be infringed” bit.”
Oh, but this is a mere explicitly enumerated Constitutional right. It’s not like it’s something important, like, say, gay marriage.
I can take the fact that our perpetually petulant president is in another snit with great fortitude.
Michelle’s going to have to fix him a sugar tit tonight.
We have always had “this right” and will even if you get your way and “get” it by infringing on it through the law.
To hell with “I hope he fails.” I hope he cries. Literally. On live TV.
Threadwinner.
oh boo hoo
At Pivotal Point in Presidency, Obama Routed on Gun Control
Dunno McGehee.. SBP caused me to suffer a slight smile. )
He is such a disappointment.
Obazm is pissed. Good. The loathsome piece of shit.
Ahhhhh…. taking a break from rubbing lefties’ faces in it on hostile websites.
…..
Okay, off again!
oh my difi
Feinstein’s Gun Ban Goes Down 40-60 After She Scolds Colleagues
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2013/4/senate-rejects-manchin-toomey-gun-control-amendment-on-gun-purchases-in-54-46-vote.aspx
It’s exciting to get a NRA-ILA email that’s not full of gloom and doom.
– During his carefully prepared piss and moan speech, the biggest whopper, that “90% of the American public supports gun control”, (the figure is barely 4%), Bumbledick is showing that he’s poking his head out of the Progressive bubble enough to see his dreams of an American Socialist Utopia go up in smoke.
– Get used to it little man. There’s an abundance of it in your future.
– One upside to the misery of this 8 years of political insanity is watching him and his pandercrats fail.
I hope he’s using a condom.
The gun laws that people support are those laws that are already in place. Most of what the public is being told about the current state of gun laws is incorrect.
Also, polls are almost always worded to get results most favorable to those wishing to put forth a given position.
Reid is going to twist those Dem arms and turn Graham. Then he’ll bring it back up. Boom. 60 votes.
you gotta be sincere
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Live by the poll, die by the poll Barack.
lindsey’s up 2014. he may find his staunchness on this one
I agree, Jeff. He will not give up.
Reid can’t get them reelected next year. And he’s gone full retard.
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In reference to the pingback above, it’s so cute when progressives project.
The perpetually petulant progressive president pointedly projects.
Howie Carr remarked (truthfully) that Obazm is angrier about losing his gun-grab vote than he is about the bombing in Boston.
Yes, Howie is quite right. This was his chance, and now he’s let a crisis go to waste. All those beautiful, bloody little corpses and he’s gotten jack shit out of it except for the end of Mario Cuomo’s presidential ambitions.
Heckuva job, Baracky.
– Since the FEDs also cancelled the 9pm presser things have quieted down. From the reports trickling out it appears they have a lot of crime scene related evidence, but can’t make a positive ID on the perp yet.
– Also possible they’re on his trail and don’t want to tip him, but if he has access to news, he already knows what they know.
– Meanwhile a Miss. man has been charged with mailing the Racine laced letters.
Also possible they’re on his trail and don’t want to tip him, but if he has access to news, he already knows what they know.
If the FBI is that far along they may be hoping to rattle him/them into flight – which could lead to further connections.
Although I doubt it, about the only way they could have a name ID at this point is if someone was stupid enough to use a personally identifiable phone during the deed.
Drudge has a boatload of pictures he got from 4Chan. There appear to be three guys, not two and they look ME. Go figure.
Ricin guy is an Elvis impersonator. His neighbors have described him as “teched”.
I hope he doesn’t. If there’s any justice in this world Schumer will die of a horrible venereal desease.
– One comment a police source made is they’re pretty sure there’s more than one person involved. The pressure cooker bombs were too big to hide in one bag, and anyone carrying two or three large bags would attract attention. Remember, our resident Bostonian reported the place was crawling with cops and bomb sniffing dogs.
leigh,
4chan link . Two of the guys with backpacks (one white, one ME-looking) look an awful lot like security (dressed exactly the same – khaki pants, tan shoes, black jackets and packs). The white guy even has what looks like some kind of pass (press pass, security tag) hanging from his jacket.
On the whole, I’m not sure there’s anything useful there.
Tonight, a massive fire in a fertilizer plant north of Waco, Texas was not brought under control by the firefighters in time, and it caused an explosion that the news said partially leveled four blocks.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/texas-explosion/index.html
“Schumer isn’t a moron, he is fucking evil.”
Don’t be a moron. Fuck evil. Do it today!
“Michelle’s going to have to fix him a sugar tit tonight.”
Yeah he will probably sneak a pack or two tonight.
CBS report now says at least 60 dead in Texas. Christ.
When I saw the report they talked about the explosion for about three minutes before the thought to mention the firefighters trying to put it out for a hour or so. I guess they wanted to get people speculating about it being an attack instead of an industrial accident. I dunno, but it was weird.
@McGeehee: old joke about Mickey Mouse divorcing Minnie:
“No, your honor, I didn’t say she was insane. I said she was fucking Goofy.”
And right on cue, our old friend Erik Loomis is there to explain that you’re just gonna get a certain amount of fertilizer factory explosions in a non-union state.
Because let’s face it, the Professional Left sort of fell down on their whole “well, if our preferred policies were in place this sort of thing would never happen” job, with regards to the Boston explosion.
I pray it doesn’t reach 1947 levels.
Isn’t it well known in Hollywood that you shouldn’t believe the “facts” your own flacks put out.
I pray it doesn’t reach 1947 levels.
– Yeh….that’s all we need, another Roswell.
“Isn’t it well known in Hollywood that you shouldn’t believe the “facts” your own flacks put out.”
Wow. They sound like us on election night.
I wonder if this is an inflection point. If so, FINALLY.
RE: Erik Loomis, one of the tweets is a BRILLIANT response.
” GTJessop • 2 hours ago ?
The guy has a point… Outrageous union contracts would have put that plant out of business YEARS ago, saving countless lives…
13 •Reply•”
Unions are shrinking precisely because the reality doesn’t live up to the unfettered wish-casting of idiots like Loomis. Unions are SO GREAT that people are practically fleeing them.
BTW, @brandondarby is live on the scene, tweeting developments and helping to organize relief efforts. Worth following, if you don’t do so already.
From the Australian named Andrew Bolt:
The Washington Times’ Joseph Cotto quizzes blogger Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdom:
Cotto: Aside from the obvious partisan and philosophical differences, what would you say is the greatest difference between the left-leaning and right-leaning blogospheres?
Goldstein: The right-leaning blogosphere tends to be far more self-critical. It runs as a kind of far-flung debating society — or at least, it did. Lately there’s been pressure to coalesce around a given set of political narratives, to “rebrand,” which would follow the left-leaning model, under which messages are disseminated using a top down, “talking points” model.
It’s no accident that on a number of occasions the left has been caught organizing its messaging, whether through secret email groups or, as we saw thanks to an open mic before a Romney press event, through an active collusion of activist journalists looking to drive an agreed-upon narrative.
A major battle on the right, it seems to me, comes from conservative resistance to just such a model. It turns out Hobbits aren’t terribly gracious when they’re told to get their asses in line. Who knew?
(Via Instapundit.)
I still dislike your opinions on illegal immigrants, but credit should be given where it’s due. Goldstein is all over the web today. Kudos.
“illegal immigrants”
“Undocumented probationary Democratic voters”, please.
17 K Bruins fans singing the national anthem is pretty cool.
You tracking that, Baracky?
Thank God he didn’t get his hands on any Sturtevant to load into those letters.
It would be self-inflicted. If there’s any justice.
Imagine having to wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and realize you’re Charles Schumer?
this is the NRA’s fault. Where do I join the NRA?
Look what our side had to battle: billionaire bloomburg and his propoganda, the 1% president, most media outlets, Hollywood, the grieving newtown parents as political props….
How many different times did we drive a stake through the heart of Obama-care?
And yet the damn thing wouldn’t stay pinned to the ground.
Look what our side had to battle: billionaire bloomburg and his propoganda, the 1% president, most media outlets, Hollywood, the grieving newtown parents as political props….
You neglect to mention ‘our side’ too. Voting to bring this mess to the floor in the first place were Sens. Lamar Alexander, Kelly Ayotte, Richard Burr, Saxby Chambliss, Tom Coburn, Susan Collins, Bob Corker, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham, Dean Heller, John Hoeven, Johnny Isakson, Mark Kirk, John McCain, Pat Toomey and Roger Wicker. Republicans every last one of them. Don’t ever get the notion that tyranny only exists on the progressive side of the aisle. Every last one of those turds listed needs to get removed from D.C. How after the last week can you think that R=good?
I think Schumer’s run is over. And I’m increasingly confident that New York’s run is coming to an end, too.
In the past, what made NY “great” was its iconic image as our Financial Capitol. Well, that image doesn’t fit anymore. If it weren’t for DHS port-security funds seized from the “fly-over” states, and for the Fedsuries insistence on laundering its QE’s and your withheld taxes thru Schumer’s financial dynasties, the city’d have to make do on its tourism and restaurants, and, well, the Devil can only wear SO MUCH Prada.
Methinks NY’s reign is thru. One threatening thought is, what if Phoenix decides to compete with NY by opening a new US stock exchange? I think PHX’s newness, and it’s burgeoning economy, sitting astride the SW’s pulsing freeways linking Texas with Nevada with California with Mexico with Colorado as it does, represents an immediate threat to NY stodgy, hide-bound guards.
An aside: the wonky, stale pols of Connecticut that live off of NY’s reinvested jetsam and that voted for “sensible” gun-control measures so unthinkingly would dry up like a zit under Clearasil if NYC lost its monopoly claim to being America’s financial center.
I’ve got nothing against New Yorkers, but their heads have gotten too big since the hey-days of the eighties, and they need to deflate their egos a bit to meet new realities. It’s wakey-wakey time for Schumer et al.
The headlines are kind of misleading. S. 649 is still alive and well, thank you. The Manchin/Toomey amendment failed, but it was only one of seven amendments to that bill to fail yesterday.
S. 649 could still be passed. An amendment very much like Manchin/Toomey could still pass, should sufficient leverage or quid pro quo be invoked. This isn’t the end; not by a long shot. 649 is just a vehicle for whatever combination of amendments and support come together for a vote for passage.
Which isn’t to minimize, certainly. On the contrary: this could just be a head-fake.
Yeah, they’re resuming consideration of 649 as we speak. Keep a close watch.
Looks like there’s not a quorum. Weird. Everyone’s out to lunch?
The NYSE isn’t going anywhere.
CSPAN says they are waiting on a quorum call. Meanwhile, Kerry is yapping about Lord knows what.
Someone is speaking now. He makes me happy.
He has said “shame” about 37 times in 90 seconds.
Richard Bloomenthal is speechifying and trying to shame the Senate into voting on their stupid amendments.
Krauthammer was right, it’s emotional blackmail.
Oh. It’s Blumenthal. What a tool.
It’s obvious that Dick cares nothing about the people of West, TX. Probably because no children were killed.
This would be a filibuster if anything were up for a vote. Is he ever going to shut up?
I hope so since so far he hasn’t said anything.
Leahy is currently saying something sensible. How could that have happened?
How could they have a roll call? There’s no one in chambers?
Proxy votes, maybe?
Kind of OT but:
I just had a friend of a friend argue that if I really wanted to protect my family during a home invasion, I’d sneak them out of my house. Run and hide!
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British friend? That’s the general legal rule there.
Nope. He’s an American. Who obviously knows nothing about the layout of my house. Or how I feel about those who commit a crime to enter my house.
Sneak them and myself out of the house to pick them off as they flee my Rottweiler.
That’s no way to speak of your mother-in-law, McGehee.
Senor Leigh,
Exchanges come and go, Man!
They’re only trading floors afterall, and, unless you think the NYSE is “too big too fail,” NY’s bourse is not immune from the tides of change.
As is, the QE’s are corrupting the NYSE’s market mechanism to the point that noone knows the value of the stocks they’re buying.
This provides an opening to an upstart start-up not laboring under NYC’s oppressive regulations, and perhaps, using new web-based technology in a scattered design, the upstart won’t be prone to the vulnerabilities the NY exchanges exhibit to terrorism. And, being sited outside urban democrats’ domains, the new bourse may escape urban liberals’ capricious salary limits on its new managers.
That’s Senora, to you steveaz.
Bidness was my bidness for a long, long time.
No one wants to live in fucking Phoenix. It’s too damned hot and it’s ugly.
And if that doesn’t work, you could always just give them what they want if they promise not to hurt anyone.
i want to see the castle
You’ve just summarized the GOP’s hard-nosed negotiation tactics, with regards to the Dems.
SW, I gave my m-i-l an NRA membership for her birthday. She thanked me.
A year’s or life?
No one wants to live in fucking Phoenix. It’s too damned hot and it’s ugly.
Have you never been to Manhattan? That sort of density makes people sociopathic. Plus, it smells like urine, and you can’t buy a fucking Big Gulp.
Of course, there’s also the question of why anyone needs to live anywhere to trade stocks (other than ultra-high-frequency trading, say).
Put the computers in multiple Cheyenne Mountain-style bunkers, with multiply redundant fiber, microwave, and satellite data links.
I had no idea that NRA members get their own ships. That’s totally awesome.
US to Obama. Ummm I’m just not that into you lately.
Have you never been to Manhattan?
Lots of times. Density isn’t that big a deal. Look at Tokyo. I love it there.
Year’s. I like her, I didn’t marry her.
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