Here.
Already, several Republicans (and “blue dog, centrist Democrats) have agreed to bring the “debate” on unconstitutionally amending the 2nd Amendment without going through the amendment process to the floor for a vote.
update: Passes 68-31, with at least 16 Republicans joining. And that means the GOP is dead. As in, put it in a hole and throw some dirt over it.
Harry Reid, a rancid, decaying emblem of the post-constitutional ruling class, praises John McCain, another fetid relic and champion of statism, for his leadership and his wisdom in siding with Democrats– which tells you everything you need to know about how broken our government is, and how little the Constitution matters.
Among the votes that are forthcoming, according to Reid: a ban on certain “clips”; a ban on “assault weapons”; and the Toomey-Manchin background check expansion.
Reid says the families of Newtown represent America. And that America demands votes. We are all parents who’ve lost children to a crazy person who executed his mother, stole her guns, and shot up an elementary school now.
This is, of course, ridiculous — as is Reid’s assertion that “a few” Senators trying to block debate by way of filibuster is unacceptable.
All of this — the theater, the dismissal of Constitution to follow a ginned up mob and position oneself politically — is, I’d venture to say, a potential spark. Because it is more evident with each passing day that can’t trust the Congress to uphold the Constitution, and we can’t rely on the Courts, either.
— Which means that we either rely on ourselves, or we surrender. And I refuse to surrender, because to do so would be to allow my children to become subjects.
Watching live, this looks like a bake sale. I expected speechifying.
Liberalism is simply moralizing dogma, entirely and willfully unthought. It is a clinical dysfunction manifest as a political movement.
68-31 for cloture.
yay meghan’s coward daddy and harry reid are bringing this country together to pimp murdered dead connecticut baby wazzles for to free americans – ALL americans – from the constraints of the second amendment
God Bless America!
And thus is the absurdly mendacious, ridiculously inartful, pompously tyrannical Executive Budget — delivered only yesterday — buried as a subject of close attention, which is half of the calculation.
Executive whatnow?
RT @daveweigel: Newtown family members seated in the gallery to watch Senate cloture vote.
classy!
What happened to the filibuster? I expected this crap to never make it to a vote.
Fucking pussies.
Newtown victim family members hold hands and ask Senate to vote for cloture on proceeding to gun bill
pic.twitter.com/KG8qa3qiAY
cause of a dead murdered connecticut baby wazzle corpse is a terrible thing to waste
not when you can pimp the mother-loving shit out of it least ways
oh. too many slanty letters
Those pictures are why we have an amendment process in the first place. It makes the demagoguery difficult.
Incidentally, it’s now time for a third party. We may lose, but at least we can point, laugh, and say I told you so.
Plus, those who join? We’ll know are our allies.
Reid says the families of Newtown represent America.
Well, not the Newtown father who advocates for our side. Surprising that we haven’t seen more of him in the gallery. Or the news shows. Or anywhere at all.
Also, I hope those Newtown families get an introduction to Cindy Sheehan. Seems only fair, since they’re serving the same purpose and will share the same fate.
Is this the language (of the nominal Manchin-Toomey offering)? TITLE I–FIX GUN CHECKS ACT
Whole bill link
Names of the 16?
Video at first link of Biden thanking Scarborough and Bloomberg.
For the Democrats politics is “the war”, albeit a cold one for now, and they fight like it using all the techniques of an intelligence agency against their foes.
Names of the 16?
Not officially available for another few minutes yet.
Just now published.
here for so you no hafta click
Sixteen Republicans sided with Democrats to vote to begin debate on the bill: Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine), Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.).
I noticed that Sen. Lautenberg from NJ was a Not Voting. Which isn’t surprising, as I don’t think he’s capable of much more than drooling, mumbling incoherently, and messing his Depends.
Bill Nelson votes Yea; Rubio votes Nay.
No surprises there.
I don’t like at all the cloture vote on a bill that, to our knowledge, has not yet been written.
of the 16 I think it’s just meghan’s coward daddy what can personally attest to the joys of being disarmed by a totalitarian state
the other ones are going on faith I guess
I don’t like at all the cloture vote on a bill that, to our knowledge, has not yet been written.
The Democrat leader at least bothers to continue to play the shell game, if nothing else. If the Manchin-Toomey thing appears later as an amendment to s.649, that is.
“I don’t like at all the cloture vote on a bill that, to our knowledge, has not yet been written.”
We ain’t seen nothing yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_chamber
Remember, the little god-king already claims the right to execute you extrajudicially if he decides that it’s a good idea.
Toomey and Flake have been real disappointments. As has Ayotte.
If this doesn’t wake up Tennessee to the fact that we have two devils in the Senate, nothing will.
So much for taking back the Senate. Yay team.
No, that’s Schumer’s bill. This would have to have been filed no sooner than Tuesday, 4/9.
Coburn is no surprise. All doctors are gun-grabbers at heart.
I’m watching you, Rand Paul.
Kelly been hangin’ out too much wit her buds, Johnny and Lindsay.
For future reference and/or planning purposes
Up for reelection in 2014:
Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), 74
Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), 70
Susan Collins (Maine), 61
Lindsey Graham (S.C.), 59
Up for reelection in 2016:
Kelly Ayotte, (N.H.) 48
Richard Burr (N.C.), 60
Tom Coburn (Okla.), 68, (pledged not to seek reelection to a 3rd term–like we’ve never heard that before)
Johnny Isakson (Ga.), 71
John Hoeven (N.D.), 59
Mark Kirk (Ill.), 57, (suffered a stroke in 2012, but that didn’t stop Tim Johnson from being reelected; of course, he’s a Democrat, so the rules are different)
John McCain (Ariz.), 80
Pat Toomey (Pa.), 54
Up for reelection in 2018:
Bob Corker (Tenn.), 66
Jeff Flake (Ariz.), 56
Dean Heller (Nev.), 58
Roger Wicker (Miss.), 67
all ages are the age they will be at the time of the election.
Somebody with more amibition than I should look to see which of the 2016 incumbents were darlings of the Tea Party so we can be sure punish their apostasy. Toomey was one, I know, Ayotte as well, perhaps?
This is Harry Reid’s bill. The Toomey/Manchin Bill does not exist:
WASHINGTON, DC – Today, Senators Mike Lee (R-UT), Rand Paul (R-KY) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) released the following statement regarding the pending vote on the motion to proceed to new gun control legislation:
Y’know, I use to think it was a crying shame that Rick Santorum blew up his political career supporting Arlen Specter.
I guess he know, better than I, that one Specter was as good as another.
knew, not know
grrr
Chambliss isn’t seeking re-election. Isakson ought not to.
One house of Congress has just declared war on the honest citizens they supposedly represent.
Joe Scarborough and MSNBC using al Qaeda propaganda as part of gun control push.
Joe Scarborough? Isn’t that the guy National Review invited to tell movement conservatives how they were doing it wrong?
I’m too sick to speak or write any more today. This country is gone and there’s nothing really we can do about it.
Biden, only hunters are responsible gun owners.
Just until he decides they aren’t, that is.
Also, when did law enforcement become a blood sport? Or is Slow Joe saying cops aren’t responsible?
Depends on what they are hunting, doesn’t it?
Conformation that we are losing our freedom due to booze.
Next time they should sail on the “Slice of Life”, a real party-down boat.
OK, we have the text. Coffee first, then parsing.
My quick read is that it is indeed a feelgood nothingburger. There are incentives for states to improve NICS reporting. The “gun show loophole” is closed to the extent that the total effect will be the nullification of the false term “gun show loophole.” It says you can’t sell guns via advertising w/o a check, though I don’t know where you can do that now. The circumstances in which background checks would be newly required are almost nonexistent. The concerns about medical reporting to NICS appear to be unfounded, though there is a mention that the committee this creates would look at the issue.
This should be rejected as a waste of time posing as a solution supposedly responsive to the “90% of Americans” nonsense. I’m with Uncle Ted.
You know what else is dangerous? Being a Congressional intern. Right Mr Scarborough?
We need background checks for Congressmen!
Also POTUS.
Seconded. If they’re going to be in the bag anyway…
Not a very impressive Act – 4 Pinocchios in the first section of findings! Would that be >>>>?
Some analysis of the Manchin-Toomey bill here, linked from here.
SW, that’s right up there with Congress raising our 30 gram chocolate ration to 20 grams.
One publicly unacknowledged elephant, which is in the room always, is that the leadership and many of the supporters of what is called the Democratic Party are a quasi-religious cult group. One which sees Mass Killings not as a thing to be prevented but as a means to further one of the cult’s totemic ends which is the elimination of the private ownership of arms in general and firearms in particular.
Having half the members of a Commission handpicked by one of the leaders of this cult group assures that whatever the other half thinks they are doing, the Commission will only be serving the purposes of the cult and working to use its resources to further the cause of eliminating the private ownership of arms.
On reducing Mass Killings they will be only come to recommendations which further the ends of the Democratic Party cultists or are ineffective so that means will continue to be available for the Democrats to use.
Sheesh, it’s starting to look like the best that can be said for Manchin-Toomey is it’s useful at frittering away the limited time available to the Senate to take up more destructive bills — despite that this can’t be forthrightly stated as an object of writing and passing a flatulent bill which does next to nothing constructive and only a little destructive (over and above the shite for regulation already sitting on the books, that is). They piss on our heads, we’ll piss on theirs.
On the other hand, nothing ought to prevent the Senate from taking in hand urgent problems in need of correction, like say, the impending bankruptcy of all the Democrat-Republican Establishment entitlement programs, the rising national debt, the gathering danger of runaway inflation, the enervation of commerce and industry, throttling young lives as they unfold — yet with Manchin-Toomey, the Senators still get to be lice unworthy of the offices they hold. So, lose-lose. It’s a modern thing, very hip.
I have been amazed (and heartened) by the number of mad as hell people I have encountered today, and that is with the near blackout from the “Conservative” media on the cloture vote yesterday.
I think Alexander and Corker are going to have some explaining to do.