I noted at the time of the hearings that one takeaway from watching the House assembly debates is that Rhonda Fields, one of the sponsors of this mess of anti-2nd Amendment bills, may just be one of the stupidest legislators in the history of ever — a puppet being used because of her tragic past.
I also noted that it seemed to me the Democrats, with one or two exceptions who broke ranks, were absolutely immune to facts, logic, and common sense — and so what we were watching weren’t “debates” at all.
This process was repeated in the Senate.
What the CO high-cap ban does, should Governor Hickenlooper (who is the bobblehead doll on the dash of Bloomberg’s limo) sign it, is create the scenario in which, should the bill be interpreted literally and broadly, using plain language, rather than narrowly, would ban any magazine with a removable base plate, all of which would be capable of being extended past fifteen rounds, making them illegal under the law.
And because there is no way to prove when a traditional magazine was purchased short of finding and carrying old receipts with you, you are essentially operating at the whim of law enforcement.
That is a police state.
I can’t help but feel that this was a kind of test case for getting that language approved and signed into law; and that the more savvy national Democrats who were pulling the strings knew exactly what they were doing in helping the Colorado Democrats conceive of these bills.
(h/t John B)
The Caldara Video referenced by 9 News.
Connecticut too.
In New York they didn’t even do a show of listening, it was just “Ram-Bam-Fuck-You-Man.”
Is it good or bad that they don’t even pretend to represent us?
We are fast moving away from having inalienable rights under the constitution, to a rule of law where anything not expressly permitted by law is prohibited.
The revolution can’t be far off…
The problem with dismantling your house before starting to build the one you promise will be better…
Or, as I’ve taken to call him: Governor Moonbeam, Jr.
The burden of proof still lies with the state — can they prove that you acquired the magazine after the date of the ban? Drive to Wyoming, pay cash, and they can’t prove shit. You already owned the weapon, you already owned standard capacity magazines without their silly date stamp, what are they going to do?
What are they going to do? At a guess, seize your property, then dare you to take them to court over your goods (with what monetary value?), making the individual pay for the court twice, once in his individual representation at law, and the second time for the State’s lawyers through paying taxes.
I’m almost sure they can do whatever they like, as per Geoff’s post at 5:00.
There is only the chimera of the USC and our States’ Constitutions, now.
That’s at trial. Prior to that, the process is the punishment. How much would you like to bet that a condition of your bail once charged under this law will be that you disarm? All of your firearms, perhaps?
I was listing scenarios in my head and this is all kinds of fucked up.
Greetings:
A decade or two ago, there was a bit of commotion in the law enforcement industry. It seems that its employees (as opposed to its clients) were concerned about those same clients having superior weaponry to our (non-Air Force) boys in blue. The discussion centered on the government-supplied revolvers versus those new-fangled (semi) automatic pistols. The increased capability of the latter in terms of both rate of fire and ammunition capacity (10+ rounds) put the sworn officers of the law in distinctly dangerous situation which was shortly on the road to correction.
So, it seems to what’s left of the rational part of my brain, how is it that what’s good for police officers is so bad, dangerous, unnecessary, inhuman for less unordinary citizens. If we have known since then that criminals had those weapons, why now are our rulers trying to under-arm the citizenry. Is the danger not similar, comparable ???
Well, yeah, they can always torture you with various un-provable charges and quite likely bankrupt you defending yourself, but they can do that with any of the however many bazillion laws they have in effect. Welcome to the New World Order.
But check this out! Is that cool or what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=1pYqquG27pg
Jeff,
In stock again at MGW, the link I supplied in the other thread comment section. Get ’em quick.
Good god, after I wrote the above message, I was writing you an email and as I checked the status again, they were sold out. This happened last time MGW got some in; as they went thru orders, they put mags back in the que as they disallowed duplicate orders. Keep checking in on their website if you don’t want the ones I offered in the other thread comment section. You may still get some tonight.
You guys that think the burden of proof lies with the state need to read up on property laws and the war on drugs.
Or just ask George Zimmerman what happens when the powers that be decide to hang you out to dry.
Many years ago, I was one of a group of merchants who met with city planning commission staff about a proposed ordinance governing signs. I pointed out that the language would have required a city permit for the sticker that says “PUSH” on one side and “PULL” on the other. A staffer responded “That is not the intent of the ordinance.” I followed up: “Then will you change the wording to reflect the intent?” The answer to that, of course, was “No.”
They always want overbroad language that gives “discretion” to the enforcers. That way they know they can always write you up for a bunch of technical violations of their rules if they don’t like what you’re doing. And they can also show restraint when dealing with their friends, who of course intend to do good.
Oh gosh, sorry to butt in but http://youtu.be/PGfCX9sJqqc
Breaking! slavery defended at CPAC
#Cruz’16
Another “well written” bill that has many hidden Easter eggs. Chuck Schumer’s S. 374.
“the more savvy national Democrats who were pulling the strings knew exactly what they were doing in helping the Colorado Democrats conceive of these bills.”
Or maybe a conservative snuck that line in to make sure the supreme court would find the law unconstitutional?
Then don’t.
You really need to stop reading Think Progress. That shit will rot your already degraded brain.
One of the arguments that shied me away from the Libertarian Party was that if you weren’t for full drug legalization you must be for asset forfeiture.
It didn’t matter how often I corrected them; in their minds the two were irretrievably linked.
These days I’ve been wondering if they weren’t right after all.
Notice it’s a proponent of the enslavement of doctors (since he inveighs against a health care institution which works for profit), and indeed, himself a self-made slave to an enslaving political movement who comes here to introduce a lie in the service of his own enslavement and his enslaving political movement. *It’s good to be a drone,* says our visiting fascist, both by word and deed.
What I noticed is the white pride guy went to that event as an agitator, and DaleKhunt implied he was there as a representative of the event.
It’s because Dalekhunt is a liar, and worse, unashamed to be so.
If you weren’t such a racist you’d be happy to be a slave!
Another more complete report on the “Look Bunnies” LoFo hijack attempt.
All you can do right now is agitate like hell, tell people who don’t know, do what you can to drag the assholes into court.
And for those of you in red states laughing, California used to be a red state, and 41% of Texas voters chose Obama. You’re next.
We need to fight this *everywhere* because it spreads like political VD.
Rats growing. Dirty rats that lied to win now come out from the mask.
This is precisely what willing slaves like Dalekhunter do: carry water for propagandists, hoping it sticks. If it does, good. If not, he’ll try the next bullshit line of attack.
Which is why from no on, every time Dalekhunter comments here, he needs to be asked if he retracts the suggestion that people looking to taint conservatism intentionally are in fact its representatives.
Because if not, he owes us all an apology.
What are the chances of him manning up? Of doubling down?
I know where I’d place my bet.
That’s pretty funny shit right there, considering F&F and the arming of Libyan and Syrian Islamist rebels.
Been down this road once before with Clinton in the mid 90s.
I’m getting more than a little tired of this. That Christianist crap chaps my hide. As if anyone who is a follower of Christ is a zealot.
Not sure if this part was in the video above.
She is a real piece of work.
In Boulder a gun store does a giveaway of hi-cap magazines in return for contributions to a gun rights group. 100 magazines gone in less than 20 minutes.
Across the street is a protest of the giveaway by what is described as “dozens” and as “about 100”. The protest of gun rights was organized by “Together Colorado, a multi-denominational group of Boulder-area clergy ” with spokes-person Sheila Dierks. “Together Colorado” is part of the PICO Network which is one of the large progressive left umbrella organizations along Gamaliel and whatever ACORN is now called.
Sheila Dierks is a priest. A “Catholic priest” of sorts. She was ordained into “The Ecumenical Catholic Communion ” a group which broke away from the Roman Catholic Church in 2003 becoming the progressive left’s perfect church.
It would seem to me anyone with a working brain would view that video and judge from the reaction that all the other CPAC participants were shocked and dismayed by this buffoon.
Too bad thinkprogress and dalek don’t have working brains I guess.
It would seem to me anyone with a working brain would view that video and judge from the reaction that all the other CPAC participants were shocked and dismayed by this buffoon.
Too bad thinkprogress and dalek don’t have working brains I guess.
What dale khunter is endorsing is the view that any heckler at any event represents the organiser of said event. Great idea! Let’s run with it.
Being in the same room with a racist audience member implies that you are a racist.
Attending a racist church for 20 years does not.
It’s the reality-based way of looking at things, dontcha know?
Colorado sheriffs: Sorry, but these new gun laws would be kind of unenforceable
National Soros Radio says there’s this guy what got killed with a gun
So that changes the complexion of the debate about the constitution and stuff.
John Cooke is my Sheriff. He’s awesome. We’re well-represented out here. My Rep brought in John Lott to speak, and my Senator said she wouldn’t abide the mag ban law.
Meanwhile, over here in the Socialist Republic of California, Thousands Line Up Outside Cal Expo Gun Show To Buy Ammunition.
Jeff, we seem to have a decent Sheriff here in Riverside county. He even sent a surprisingly good letter to DiFi opposing her new AWB bill and firmly supporting 2A rights. Not bad for the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.
However, I’m not nearly as worried about Congress passing 2A restrictions at the Federal level as I am about CA’s new Democrat gun-grabbing supermajority state legislature passing new laws to make our already onerous state restrictions even worse. Like SB-374, which reclassifies all semiautomatic centerfire AND rimfire rifles without a fixed magazine of 10 rounds or fewer as “assault weapons”. Great. Which would turn an ordinary Ruger 10/22 into one of those evil “assault rifles”. Or SB-47, which would lump semiautomatic pistols into the classification of “assault weapons”.
And to think, I used to believe 10 round mag limits and “bullet buttons” were bad.
Meanwhile, over here in the Socialist Republic of California, Thousands Line Up Outside Cal Expo Gun Show To Buy Ammunition.
Well, you’re sure as hell not going to find boxes of 9mm, .223, 5.56 or 22LR by strolling into your neighborhood gun store or Wal-Mart like you used to be able to do right up until the morning of December 14, 2012.
.223 and .22LR on the shelves here in Wal-Mart.
We have lots of wide open spaces and great fishing and hunting, too.
Where are you moving to, Lee?
Don’t let the “ma-n-pop” gunstore owners find out.
Heh. They have it too. And defensive ammo.
We have responsible gun owners here, you see. Plus our congresscritters trust us.
Leigh, I’m moving about a mile up the hill from where I live now. Yup, I bought a house in California. It is, however, about the reddest place in the state. The nearest town, 14 miles away, is the only town in the state that endorsed prop 8.
As for ammo, there’s nothing to be had but shotgun shells anywhere. I put in an order for a couple hundred .30-.30 rounds through Cabella’s last December, got an emil saying they hoped to fill it by the end of January, another hoping for February 28, and a week ago I got an email saying my order was cancelled.
Now that’s gun control…
Inyo County? I doubt Jerry Brown knows it’s part of California.
Congratulations on the new digs,Lee! May your roads not be crunchy with the granola of hippies and wannabe Injuns.
Cabela’s is proud of their stock. Make friends with the hermit (there’s always one in them thar hills) and see if there is something more local and maybe barterable. Yes, I made up a word, there.