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“Gun Owners, Segregationists, and Jim Sleeper”

You a gun enthusiast? Because if so, that makes you just like a segregationist, according to Yale lecturer in political science Jim Sleeper.

The irony being that it was Democrat segregationists in the south who introduced gun control in the first place in order to keep weapons out of the hands of blacks (the Klan was quite fond of this legal maneuvering, for instance) — just as it is today’s progressives who are once again trying to deconstruct a clear Constitutional right in order to limit individual liberty and empower the police powers of the state.

But I guess when your worldview allows for the re-imagining of history in order to bring that history into line with your own self-determined moral authority, any narrative that gains traction and gets repeated enough becomes the functional equivalent of truth.

Mr Sleeper, bless him, just wants to create him some truthiness here and see if he can make it go viral.  And who can blame him?  He’s affiliated in his worldview with some of histories great monsters, be they Marxists, Stalinists, Maoists, Fabian socialists, or our own New Left.

Who wouldn’t want a fucking PR makeover?  And if that means he has to airbrush history and repaint it with its opposite, then fuck it, let’s do this thang!

(h/t newrouter)

70 Replies to ““Gun Owners, Segregationists, and Jim Sleeper””

  1. LBascom says:

    There was a time when I would sneer at such nonsense. Now that I’ve realized over half the country are morons, con men, and/or socialists, it terrifies me.

    ‘Cuz it works.

  2. LBascom says:

    I have an idea. Let’s everyone start prefacing everything that could conceivably be used in an assault, with “assault”.

    For example, carve the Christmas turkey with an assault knife, drive your assault truck, and if you play a game of Clue, Coronal Mustard did it in the library with an assault candlestick.

  3. Jeff G. says:

    From the Second Amendment Foundation:

    21. What are assault weapons?

    The designation which turns a regular rifle into an assault rifle is largely cosmetic and arbitrary. In fact, most people cannot agree exactly what an assault rifle is. This has led to a very interesting debate over the legality of a weapon that most people involved in the debate could not even define. The term “assault rifle” has been used by the military, by gun retailers to increase the “romance” of some guns, and by gun-control advocates to scare people. The term, as it is used today, mainly is based off of whether a weapon looks scary or not instead of on any functional difference. Since the name is sinister, gun-control groups try to tack it onto as many different guns as they can. By military definition, assault rifles are “selective firearms (full auto-continuous, or burst fire plus auto-loading) of sub-caliber.” However, these guns are already heavily regulated, restricted, heavily taxed, and require special licenses. Thus, the cry for restrictions on “assault weapons” has already been answered. However, it has not silenced the gun-control crowd, who continue to attempt to expand the definition of assault rifle.

    Most weapons that are now called assault weapons are semi-automatic (meaning that for each pull of the trigger, one bullet is fired, and another is automatically loaded into the chamber) which makes them functionally indistinguishable from many other perfectly legal weapons that are routinely used for hunting, target shooting, or pest control on a daily basis. Most of the features that makes these guns assault weapons are purely cosmetic. One such law in California banned all guns with ammunition clips that were in front of the trigger. This had little effect on the guns functionally. However, it did make an Olympic caliber target shooter into a criminal, since her target pistols were now officially “assault weapons.” Likewise, simply having a metal stock as opposed to a wooden one can turn a hunting rifle into an “assault rifle.”

    My emphasis.

  4. happyfeet says:

    you know if jim sleeper ever encounters a crazed autistic killboy I bet he’ll suddenly appreciate gun enthusiasts a lot more better

    or zombies even

  5. After Appomattox, Grant let Confederate officers keep their personal side arms. And those guys had been shooting at him the night before.

    Of course Grant was a Republican.

    … and those gun owners were nasty, horrible, slave owning members of the one percent.

    Help! I’m caught in a loop!

  6. William says:

    They are currently in full “Rush Limbaugh is about to be cancelled!!!” mode.

    “As our stories about demanding more gun control increase, we’re hearing more stories about the demands for gun control!!!”

    World peace by Breakfast. Sure, a*******s.

  7. missfixit says:

    DinnerJacket even said that we as Americans need to revisit our gun culture.

  8. serr8d says:

    They are currently in full “Rush Limbaugh is about to be cancelled!!!” mode.

    They’ve been working on that since March. I’ve been fighting ’em since May.

    http://twitpic.com/bn6e90/full #tcot

  9. newrouter says:

    “DinnerJacket even said that we as muslims Americans need to revisit our jihadi gun culture.

  10. serr8d says:

    Seems Jim Sleeper’s been sleeping on both sides of the fence…

    The “Soft Bigotry” of Writer Jim Sleeper? Wednesday, June 4, 2003

    Imagine this scenario: Black journalist writes a book review. The white editor mistakenly pastes in copies of a previous review via computer. The editor runs a correction noting her error. But it’s still the black journalist’s fault. Another result, we’re told, of affirmative action.

    That’s the scenario that liberal-turned-conservative writer Jim Sleeper unveiled in an op-ed column on the Jayson Blair case May 13 in Connecticut’s Hartford Courant, in a piece that was then picked up by other newspapers.

    Jim “Ping Pong” Sleeper, for those needing to sleeeeep…

  11. Darleen says:

    Here’s a couple of brilliant comments from an exchange I’ve been having with a progressive who claims to be a gun owner but just wants “common sense” reforms like no one needs semi-automatics (heh)

    I think that there are many ways to intetpret intentions of founders.Historically the constitutional argument is weakest.

    and

    Yes…all of the constitution is suspect..thats why they have a Supreme Court…to dtermine constitutionality of laws.

    I am agog.

  12. newrouter says:

    Mark R. Levin @marklevinshow
    Harry Reid in 2010: “I Carried a Gun Every Place I Went”… fb.me/EycYepW0
    1 minute ago
    Mark R. Levin @marklevinshow
    Feinstein in 1995 On Her Concealed Carry Permit marklevinshow.com/Article.asp?id… fb.me/1VYaB3tu0

    link

  13. Pablo says:

    Dar, I had one ask for an JUST ONE example of a civilian stopping a mass shooting with a CCW. I gave him several. Then he told me that the Colorado Spring church shooting wasn’t a mass shooting. Well, no shit, Sherlock.

  14. palaeomerus says:

    “Yes…all of the constitution is suspect..thats why they have a Supreme Court…to dtermine constitutionality of laws.”

    Yeah that’s pretty dumb. The constitution is suspect and that’s why we shave a court that derives it’s powers from an act of congress as defined and limited by the constitution to see if laws comply with the constitution, which is suspect.

  15. palaeomerus says:

    Please God, let this be the grotesque liberal overreach that finally restores the US to its senses.

  16. Roddy Boyd says:

    Sleeper wrote a fine book called “liberal racism” back in the 90s that took on some liberal hobbyhorses.

    Seems like everything he’s done since is to atone for heresy.

  17. serr8d says:

    The constitution is suspect and that’s why we shave a court that derives it’s powers from an act of congress as defined and limited by the constitution to see if laws comply with the constitution, which is suspect.

    We needs an assault constitution, to deal with an out-of-control assault court. Good thing our assault congress is out of rounds.

  18. pdbuttons says:

    Admit your future sin-you are all hoping djano movie bombs! Sure-wide release-first week going to do well
    second-slight dropoff
    y’all lookin at the third week -cuz that’s the stink-but ya lost weight cuz of ur New yar diet- ! In the holler-we call that ‘seredipity’

  19. serr8d says:

    Looks like tomorrow is the day we find out if we return to the Democrat’s (Clinton’s) tax rates, or stay with George Bush’s.

    I don’t think anybody who voted for Obama deserves Bush’s tax rates. Let all pay full freight, or none. Shouldn’t be a problem for Democrats, since they OWN Clinton’s rates, and only had respite from them thanks to evilhatedBOOOOOOOSHitler!. Screw ’em.

  20. Ernst Schreiber says:

    By military definition, assault rifles are “selective firearms (full auto-continuous, or burst fire plus auto-loading) of sub-caliber.”

    Which is why the local CBS affiliate’s field reporter political information officer was careful to describe AR clones as “high-capacity, semi-automatic, military style assault rifles.”

    I prefer sport-utility rifle myself. Or maybe general purpose carbine.

  21. palaeomerus says:

    “you are all hoping djano movie bombs!”

    I think a movie about Drano is a great idea. Seeing a sink drain-pipe clog break apart in 3D should be amazing.

  22. palaeomerus says:

    Shame on you guys for not going after this:

    “and that’s why we shave a court”

    I was babbling about shaving a court! C’mon! Jeez!

  23. LBascom says:

    you are all hoping djano movie bombs!

    No, I’m resigned to the fact it will do well.

    Obama was just re-elected you know…

  24. newrouter says:

    No, I’m resigned to the fact it will do well.

    just in time for christmas: blacks attacking whites

  25. sdferr says:

    That is a peculiar list Sleeper has compiled: “. . . Jared Louchner, George Zimmerman, Adam Lanza. . . .”

    No? Doesn’t the list itself speak to some manner of derangement? Sure seems so to me.

  26. newrouter says:

    what kind of mindhive puts out a race war movie @ christmas?

  27. leigh says:

    I just learned today that Connecticut is one of only five states that doesn’t allow for involuntary commitment. Maybe killboy found the paperwork moms was filling out to have him sent off to the funny farm and it snapped his twig.

    No one is talking about mental health, except in a peripheral way. It’s all guns, guns, guns are bad, bad, bad.

  28. palaeomerus says:

    Why is Brad Pitt playing the non dwarf Kenneth Brannaugh version of Dr. Loveless in DJango? Is that a meme or something now? Is that the natural archetypal enemy for black characters in westerns to fight now? Is neo-Dr. Loveless like…a thing now?

  29. palaeomerus says:

    “No one is talking about mental health, except in a peripheral way. It’s all guns, guns, guns are bad, bad, bad.”

    They are trying to get violent video games snuck in there too.

  30. leigh says:

    Why is midget Tom Cruise playing the 6’2″ John Reacher?

  31. palaeomerus says:

    Huh? I thought Cruz was going to be in that weird upcoming space movie? Oblivion or something like that?

  32. Danger says:

    Darleen says December 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    Here’s a couple of brilliant comments from an exchange I’ve been having with a progressive who claims to be a gun
    “all of the constitution is suspect..thats why they have a Supreme Court…to dtermine constitutionality of laws.”

    I am agog.

    Darleen,

    You should read that back to him with a few special highlights cus I hear your lefty penpals are impressed by capitalized words;)

  33. leigh says:

    He may be. The dude’s career is inexplicable.

    I just saw an ad on teevee for the “John Reacher” movie.

  34. palaeomerus says:

    Good Lord. I just checked his filmography at Fandango.

    In 2014 Cruise will be in a “Van Helsing” movie (I guess Hugh Jackman is out?) from Universal, “All you Need is Kill” (a sci-fi movie about a soldier who lives the day he dies over and over again…sort of a bloody take on Ground Hog Day) from Warner Brothers, and in a remake of ‘The Magnificent Seven’ in 2015.

  35. bh says:

    OT: Hey, Squid, if you’re still around, how was your trip?

  36. Darleen says:

    leigh

    The first time I saw a Jack Reacher trailer with Cruise I was “WTF”?

    I’ve read a few of the Reacher books … and for crissakes, the character is like 6’5″

    In my mind’s eye I always see Reacher as Clint Walker (yes, I just dated myself)

  37. newrouter says:

    sort of a bloody take on Ground Hog Day)

    proggtardism defined

  38. leigh says:

    Darleen, I did the same “WTF?” with that trailer. It’s not just us, my kid said the same thing yesterday.

    “Isn’t Tom Cruise like 5 feet tall?” he asked. “John Reacher is like 6′ 4.” “

  39. Darleen says:

    I went and checked, Clint Walker is still with us (at 85)

    Doing the tv show Chyenne (a fave of mine as a kid…a Western with tons of gun play and chivalry!) .. Clint stands at 6’6″ had a 48 inch chest & 32 inch waist.

    THAT’s Reacher.

  40. sdferr says:

    Walker did an on-air interview with Mark Levin back about seven months or so.

  41. Darleen says:

    sdferr

    Really?? Wow!

  42. leigh says:

    Sounds foxy. I’ll have to watch him on Hulu.

  43. sdferr says:

    Yep. He sounded good too. Said he’s a little slower getting around, but as I recall was happily married and taking camper trips with his wife to go to old West shows (rodeos?), doing book signings and the like.

  44. sdferr says:

    heh, 3-11’s a little longer ago than my lousy memory had it! But good on ya. Enjoy, Darleen.

  45. Darleen says:

    sdferr

    yeah, I am … I had such a crush on that man when I was a little girl … and this interview it just confirmation I was right. [heart] Chyenne

  46. geoffb says:

    I thought Cruz was going to be in that weird upcoming space movie? Oblivion or something like that?

    Just got back from the theater and Cruise was in the promos for both.

  47. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Why is Brad Pitt playing the non dwarf Kenneth Brannaugh version of Dr. Loveless in DJango?

    Why is Leonardo DiCaprio made up to look like Brad Pitt?

  48. palaeomerus says:

    Oh is that Leonardo? Shit! Did he get fat?

  49. palaeomerus says:

    It looked and sounded like Pitt (I was not paying close attention obviously) and Pitt was in Basterds so I assumed and made an ass out of me and uh…me too?

  50. leigh says:

    Yes, Leo got fat.

  51. LBascom says:

    Speaking of actors, how about that French dude telling France to kiss his ass, I’ll keep my money over there.

    Kinda reminds me of this

  52. sdferr says:

    On the path of Depardieu: Actors. Haven’t seen, but given Blier, it’s tempting.

  53. pdbuttons says:

    Daneil Auitel
    My love don’t give mr prese nts
    my love don’t give the boys the eye

  54. mc4ever59 says:

    Clint Walker (in his day) would have been perfect as Reacher. A true ‘man’s man’.
    Darleen, remember “None But The Brave” with Clint and Sinatra? One of my faves.

  55. McGehee says:

    The Australian dude who plays Longmire might work, but Tom “too short for The Hobbit” Cruise? NJNBHN.

  56. Car in says:

    All this just makes me sick.

  57. Squid says:

    Why is midget Tom Cruise playing the 6’2? John Reacher?

    Six-five, two-twenty, actually.

    If Ron Perlman were 10 years younger, he’d make a pretty good Reacher. I’m really stuck on other choices. Jeffrey Dean Morgan might work, if he could put on enough weight. Or maybe John Corbett, if he could drop enough weight. I’m not sure that either one of them is an action hero, though. Could Gerard Butler pull it off? He’d do better than Cruise, that’s for sure.

    Hey, Squid, if you’re still around, how was your trip?

    The Bahamas cruise was great. Hard to go wrong when you’re flying out of the Cities a day ahead of a 12-inch snowfall. Fair to say that I tested some friendships with my picture texts last Sunday. Had fun kicking around Miami for a couple of days, making Burn Notice references the whole time. Then five days on a very large boat, with a few thousand of my closest friends. My first cruise, and I was a bit leery of being trapped with such a crowd, but we discovered right away that it wasn’t too difficult to escape the crowds when we’d had enough.

    Great snorkeling in Grand Turk. We did the Library Reef, where our charter boat was moored with its bow in 35 feet of water, and its stern in 7,000 feet of water. Scary as hell, ’til you come to grips with it. Spent a long day sitting on a beach chair under a tree, just hanging out with the wife and a couple of our friends. That was just torture, I tells ya.

    Still, we were glad to return home over the weekend. Not so happy about going back to work, but that’s no surprise.

  58. bgbear says:

    There is a Canadian actor named Kevin Durand who is 6″6″ and that is who I thought of when my wife described the Jack Reacher character.

  59. TROLL 2 says:

    “But I guess when your worldview allows for the re-imagining of history in order to bring that history into line with your own self-determined moral authority…”

    Ha ha! Kind like preceding paragraph when Gold-stein-man sneer at Democrat segregationists! Yes, true! Then Dems became progressive party and all old segregationists went to GOP! True story! Nixon and Southern Strategy! Those old Dems conservatives of today! Like you guys! How TROLL ass taste?

  60. palaeomerus says:

    “Ha ha! Kind like preceding paragraph when Gold-stein-man sneer at Democrat segregationists! Yes, true! Then Dems became progressive party and all old segregationists went to GOP! True story! Nixon and Southern Strategy! Those old Dems conservatives of today! Like you guys! How TROLL ass taste?”

    As he said, ‘but I guess when your worldview allows for the re-imagining of history in order to bring that history into line with your own self-determined moral authority…’

    Troll ass tastes stupid and ignorant and in love with untrue legend. Most of the segregationist dems stayed democrat and just left politics gradually. Al Gore Sr. Senator Byrd. The new generation just joined the GOP having never really been democrats OR segregationists in the first place.

    http://www.black-and-right.com/2010/03/19/the-dixiecrat-myth/

  61. TROLL 2 says:

    Ha ha! Al Gore Sr.? One of 3 Dem senators who refused in 1950s to sign Southern Manifesto which opposed integration. Never a Dixiecrat by any stretch.

    Strom Thurmond. Jesse Helms. Start as Dems, switch GOP because Dems become liberal. South solidly Republican for forty years, and GOP consistently vote against civil rights bills of any sort! Ever hear Lee Atwater? Ha ha! You funny man!

  62. Ernst Schreiber says:

    That tired canard again?

    [T]he GOP finally became the region’s dominant party in the least racist phase of the South’s entire history, and it got that way by attracting most of its votes from the region’s growing and confident communities—not its declining and fearful ones. The myth’s shrillest proponents are as reluctant to admit this as they are to concede that most Republicans genuinely believe that a color-blind society lies down the road of individual choice and dynamic change, not down the road of state regulation and unequal treatment before the law. The truly tenacious prejudices here are the mythmakers’.

    There’s a reason the mythmaker’s are so shrill, by the way. The truth of the matter is that the Democrats traded a declining captive constituency, southern white segregationists, for a rising one, african-americans. Both captive because blacks, like segregationsist before them believe themseleves dependent upon the Democrat party to save them from the Other they most fear.

    Here’s the reality about the Southern Strategy, in words a troll can understand:

    “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years”

    Seriously, it’s true:

    In 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson uttered the word Nigger in relation to having a race and caste of people brainwashed into voting for Democratic candidates. The success LBJ had back then still resonates in 2012, local democratic candidates in some states can count on the minority-ethnic vote every few years by making a promise.

    That’s from an unimpeachable source, by the way:

    Before I start – let’s get something straight. In 2012, the best man for the job of the United States president is President Obama. Despite my independent conservative viewpoints, I could never vote for a man that would rather spit in the eye of a Black man, versus seeing him succeed. Mitt Romney is nothing more than a filthy-rich RINO with many pots to piss in – and many windows to toss it out. It’s true, the Minnesota GOP has not been open to me – I’m a Black outsider looking in. [emph. add.] The MN GOP’s policy in Minnesota – “If it’s Black, stay back!”

    So Troll, tell us, how does your ass taste?

  63. palaeomerus says:

    It’s okay Troll. We don’t expect sloppy ignorant trolls to kn0w what the hell they are babbling about. Trolls just swallow the first line they are fed and accept it without ever looking into it. That’s why we never take their shit very seriously.

  64. palaeomerus says:

    Some facts about Al Gore Sr that poor Troll no know.

    “Gore was re-elected to the 79th and to the three succeeding Congresses (January 3, 1945 to January 3, 1953). In 1951, Gore proposed in Congress that “something cataclysmic” be done by U.S. forces to end the Korean War: a radiation belt (created by nuclear weapons) dividing the Korean peninsula permanently into two.[4]”

    “Gore was one of only three Democratic senators from the 11 former Confederate states who did not sign the 1956 Southern Manifesto opposing integration, the other two being Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson (who was not asked to sign) and Gore’s fellow Tennessean Estes Kefauver, who refused to sign. South Carolina Senator J. Strom Thurmond tried to get Gore to sign the Southern Manifesto, Gore refused.

    Gore could not, however, be regarded as an out-and-out integrationist, having voted against some major civil rights legislation including the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He did support the Voting Rights Act of 1965. “

  65. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Another thing he probably doesn’t know is the George Wallace was for civil rights before he was against them. It took losing his first run for Governor to turn him into a segregationist.

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