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question for a Friday evening

Here’s one to ponder:  how is it that America’s first half-black President managed in only 4 years to turn the roughly 9 million people who wouldn’t vote for him a second time into bitterclinging racists?  And is that some sort of record?

110 Replies to “question for a Friday evening”

  1. Ernst Schreiber says:

    No. Because those 9 million people don’t exist, so there’s no case to make for a record.. Obama won a mandate for his policies.

    The American people have spoken. And what they’ve said is Hope, Change, Forward, Changing Demographics, Too Old, Too White, and most of all

    REVENGE!

  2. sdferr says:

    Levin’s show tonight. He turns to de Tocqueville during the first half-hour or so (with a moron caller interrupting along the way).

    Education. Teaching. It’s our only way out, so far as I can see. How to engender a love of learning in those who don’t have it by nature — or in those who do, yet have had their inclinations beaten down — but who can develop such a yearning once they discover the pleasures to be had, the safety to be gained, and the benefits to flow therefrom?

  3. Ernst Schreiber says:

    How to engender a love of learning in those who don’t have it by nature.

    The same way it was done until Dewey fucked it all up.

    With a switch.

  4. dicentra says:

    who can develop such a yearning once they discover the pleasures to be had, the safety to be gained, and the benefits to flow therefrom?

    By living under a relentless tyrant or at the bottom of an unforgiving class structure for a few hundred generations, same as our ancestors.

  5. Ernst Schreiber says:

    A switch is faster.

  6. sdferr says:

    Good people will of course seize their own children back from the awful clutches of the institutions now in charge — and that will help, at least at the margins. In fact, it may turn out that the smattering of well educated kids over last decade and into the next prove to be the teachers who’ll carry on beyond that time. But some sort of arising is necessary, some taking back of the responsibility — by main force if it comes to it — will have to be initiated.

  7. Ernst Schreiber says:

    My problem with conspiracy theories is that they’ll make you crazy.

  8. newrouter says:

    My problem with conspiracy theories is that they’ll make you crazy.

    not with the chitown crowd. hi gen. betray us!!11!!

  9. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I think we need to take a Reader’s Digest approach or something like the Idiot’s Guide to Dummies approach. ISI has some good stuff, and the Liberty Fund is excellent (I really wish they’d publish a “Best of” compilation). The Oxford Very Short Introduction series is also good, but some topics might be better served if approached from an unapologetically classical liberal perspective.

    I thought the other day that maybe we could finance it if we called it the Young Skulls series (slap a “Get the Mush Out!” sticker in the upper right corner), published by the Institute for Excellence in Education. Of course we’d have to give half or more of the proceeds to Rush Limbaugh, but that might be worth it if he’d put up the initial capital. And securing permissions for abridgements and extracts would be a bitch’s bitch.

  10. leigh says:

    Dear Barack Obama , a letter from Joseph Goebbels.

    Heh.

  11. BigBangHunter says:

    – Waiting for the House unamerican actvities keaders to have finally had enough and start some shit on the Hill.

    – If Obama’s dick heads think they are beyond the reach of Congress just by resigning they are dead wrong.

  12. Ernst Schreiber says:

    No. Even with the Chi town crowd. Say it’s all true: That Wall Street Journal editor’s kids were murdered to send him a message, Barak Obama stole the election, the Romney camp was chock-a-block with sabateurs. Obama plans to establish a soft fascist dictatorship by means of the U.N., and is using FEMA kids drawn from Amerikorps and Organizing for Obamica. What’s a free man supposed to do? Resist in the way he believes to be proper. Which resistance, no matter how passive, will sooner or later brand him as a criminal.

    And if it’s not true, what is that man? A crazy criminal.

    Somebody shows me real proof, and I’m all aboard the Second Revolution Express bound for wherever it’s fated. Hell, I’ll play the little twitch in the dog collar to Jeff’s Lord Humongous. But I want real proof, not dark allusions.

    And I stopped reading Ulsterman along time ago, because frankly, it reads too much like a novel.

  13. sdferr says:

    “Dear Matt Drudge: Stop the race stories”

    Here’s a clue-bat Fascist Liberals: stop with the Critical Race Theory bull-crap and maybe, just maybe, Drudge will take it on himself to tone down the race stories. Keep it up and he’ll be right there with ya, reciprocating.

  14. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Have you seen this yet, sdferr?

  15. sdferr says:

    Nope. I should check it out?

  16. sdferr says:

    Heh, gandering the price point: by that I mean, get my local library to purchase it, and then check it out.

  17. geoffb says:

    Orca got washed up on the beach, lanced by Narwhal probably.

  18. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I thought that might catch your eye. I’ve handled it inside B&N. First volume is Herodotus to Hobbes. Second volume, twice the size of the first, is Hobbes to the Present. It was shrinkwrapped in a slip case, so I could peak at the index & TOC, which I would dearly love to do.

  19. BigBangHunter says:

    – Paula Broadwells photo page before it was taken down.

    – Gotta love the innertubes. Nothing every really goes away.

  20. geoffb says:

    At Amazon you can view the TOC and the index.

  21. sdferr says:

    Also a very good work along the same line (more or less comprehensive History of Pol. Phil.), but with many writers — for anyone looking for such stuff. And a little easier on the wallet.

  22. geoffb says:

    And at other places too.

  23. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Not with my old slow outdated eMac geoff.

    Petraeus has better taste than Edwards, I’ll say that for him.

    And way better taste than Bubba.

  24. sdferr says:

    I’m falling out, sacking it. See ya’lls t’morrow.

  25. geoffb says:

    Okay. Just so we’ve all got our history right:

    1990’s: Use an ill-timed military exercise to divert attention from the botched handling of an extramarital affair.

    2010’s: Use an ill-timed extramarital affair to divert attention from the botched handling of a military exercise.

    Timing is everything though this is not a joke.

  26. geoffb says:

    Petraeus has better taste than Edwards, I’ll say that for him.

    Yep.

  27. Ernst Schreiber says:

    In keeping with an earlier discussion:

    spot the anachronism.

  28. BigBangHunter says:

    – Ok. Here’s another question for a Frisay evening. What the fuck is going on. Here’s a clip from CBS, that accidently? spins a brand new Benghazi tale. Listen to the part “….and sent a CIA team into Benghazi in an attempt to save the consulate, two members of which died in the effort….”??????… here.

    – Is this the NEW new spin the whore press is now going with?

    – This is fucking total bullshit.

  29. geoffb says:

    BBH

    This is just another peckerhead who doesn’t know anything so he wings it for the piece. That would be me doing the charitable “he’s stupid” excuse. There have been dozens, hell hundreds like him all over the internet since it happened.

    I personally think they are doing it on purpose to completely muddle the events in the public’s mind.

  30. geoffb says:

    Now this is the “stupid defense” in full flower.

  31. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Who’s stupider, Martha Coakley, or the people who elected her?

  32. geoffb says:

    Coin flip called for.

  33. geoffb says:

    Ernst,

    This is a Google books link but I don’t know if it will work with your system either.

  34. currently says:

    It’s a racist record – no doubt.

    But then, I said Romney would win – no doubt.

    What was the question?

    Oh yeah, those 9 million people died over the last 4 years.

    So that leaves 5 million still dead and voting.

    In the end, he only lost 4 million.

    They probably forgot to vote.

  35. JHoward says:

    who can develop such a yearning once they discover the pleasures to be had, the safety to be gained, and the benefits to flow therefrom?

    By living under a relentless tyrant or at the bottom of an unforgiving class structure for a few hundred generations, same as our ancestors.

    You have to take the very long view to get what this thing is. That will confirm the trajectory and danger and inevitable loss, and that in turn will inform your notions about how to defeat it.

    Meaning you shall not personally defeat it and your generation shall not defeat it. This is the hundred year decline and that is one reason we must thoroughly discount and reject nearly the entire “right” these days, from Coulter and the talkers to the right blogosphere to even some self-identified Libertarians — they’re still chasing their fictions as if the last hundred years of “progress” never occurred; still prattling on mindlessly about messaging and the next election and basically how to keep making their monthly nut saying the same thing for the length of their careers.

    This is not a problem of elections. This is not even a problem of ideology or its messaging. This is a problem of results on the ground, which come from the spirit of man moving in herds just like it always has. This is ultimately a problem of choice, as in where shall you move once it becomes too bad to endure.

    But it was too bad to endure thirty years ago, so corrupted was that spirit.

    Secession is the only option. Only it represents choice and choice will illustrate contrasts. Cut yourself out of the equation, do not talk about it and devise nonsensical solutions you know will never exist.

  36. serr8d says:

    In the hope of turning around those who might listen to arguments agreeing with matters Classical Liberal and Constitutional, we might want to examine our relationship with our bedmates, the so-called ‘1%’. Question: are these who ostensibly control the purse strings from on-high voting GOP because they believe in the ideology that I and other TEA Party sorts believe, or are they there because they see the GOP as a means to an end, for to keep the looters at bay? Should we, who are Constitutionalists &c. first and foremost, and voting GOP for that reason, be mindful that these bedfellows next to us aren’t there because of shared ideology?

    Krugman, this morning, speaking of the so-called ‘fiscal cliff’…

    the president is in a far stronger position than in previous confrontations. I don’t place much stock in talk of “mandates,” but Mr. Obama did win re-election with a populist campaign, so he can plausibly claim that Republicans are defying the will of the American people. And he just won his big election and is, therefore, far better placed than before to weather any political blowback from economic troubles — especially when it would be so obvious that these troubles were being deliberately inflicted by the G.O.P. in a last-ditch attempt to defend the privileges of the 1 percent.

    Accepting for the moment the LeftLibProgg definition of the 1% (those making the most monies, well above my pay grade): defending just the economic privileges of the 1% (those who are there for economic reasons alone) was not, and is not, my goal, Krugman and other non-Constitutionalists. I care about defending the Constitution, especially the 2nd Amendment (that’s what brought me to the GOP in the first place so many moons ago). But my defense is getting ignored because these bedmates are hogging all the covers.

  37. Pablo says:

    NYT advice/ethics column from 7/13. Read the second entry, My Wife’s Lover.

  38. beemoe says:

    I thought Klosterman’s head was going to explode before he finished answering.

    That answer is an amazing look into the dysfunction of a po mo proggtards head.

  39. Pablo says:

    Indeed it is. But he also inadvertently trips over something. He’s right that the writer wanted that story in the NYT. But who is the writer and what is the motive? Should it be taken at face value, or is it a bread crumb, left quite intentionally?

    Only Chicago knows for sure.

  40. beemoe says:

    I guess. I just can’t imagine any of the people involved bothering to read an ethics column.

  41. Pablo says:

    Heh. An ethics column seems out of place altogether at the New York Times.

  42. Mike LaRoche says:

    I’m at the Texas Tech vs. Kansas game this morning. Kickoff is at 11am. Hope the Red Raiders can end their two-game losing streak.

  43. Roddy Boyd says:

    That might have been the single most intelligent thing klosterman has ever written.

    Can we please stop with the Chicago rules stuff? It’s asinine and creates a legend where only mere execution and circumstances exist.

    Obama beat two highly accomplished guys–a legitmate war hero and a successful entrepreneur–because he and his staff made rational decisions about the nature of their opponents and the backdrop against which the race was framed.

    The GOP didn’t. Stop worrying about Democrats.

    I had been on this board for some time discussing the pendng Romney defeat. Frankly I pulled punches: I suspected an absolute rout but did not write it because I thought it would literally upset too many.

    There are some very good reasons Romney lost that were evident by the start of baseball season.

    That the election was that close is impressive given Romney’s positions and statements. Given how preposterously foolish his platform was, and how poorly he and his advisors–who give every impression of being as bright as the geniuses surrounding Bush 2000-2008–understood the contemporary political/cultural backdrop, there should be substantial optimism.

    Personally, I remain more than willing to vote straight Libertarian from now on because they at least believe in something, like the Democrats (though what they believe in makes me ill.)

  44. McGehee says:

    Various disjointed thoughts, mostly OT (or not):

    Glenn Reynolds: “Next time, the GOP will want less Karl Rove, more Lee Atwater.”

    Me: What the GOP needs to do is tell the obvious next candidate not to bother running in 2016. Giving the nomination to the obvious next candidate is a big part of why it lost twice in a row.

    The underlying principle of libertarianism: the smaller the government, the less uneasy the peace one can make with it.

  45. Caecus Caesar says:

    I’m going with the stoned ones.

  46. BigBangHunter says:

    ….[a] legitmate war hero….

    – In the interest of civility, and because I wouldn’t want to mess Mr. Boyds thinly disguised opportunity to gloat, let me just say that only works if you call someone who deliberately disobeys standing air zone orders, wanders into out of bounds areas consistantly, and finally gets his dumb ass blown out of the sky.

    – McOldfart came home a broken man, and for that we owe him our gratitude, but he got his own butt in the wringer, and deserves no aprobation for that.

    – He’s still a broken man. It informs everything he says and does. How he got that way is lost on a low info public.

  47. geoffb says:

    So the Romney campaign hired Dilbert’s company for its most important project? Or worse yet they contracted with Dogbert Consulting Services and now we all land in Heck.

  48. StrangernFiction says:

    By living under a relentless tyrant or at the bottom of an unforgiving class structure for a few hundred generations, same as our ancestors.

    It’s either that or they follow the strong horse. Unfortunately I don’t see one of those on the horizon.

  49. Roddy Boyd says:

    Not trying to gloat.

    Did not know McCain was freestyling. As someone whose done a lot of military history reading it’s not surprising. Every nation’s military graveyards are full of guys who flew too close to the sun, to use a phrase.

  50. serr8d says:

    Obama beat two highly accomplished guys–a legitmate war hero and a successful entrepreneur–because he and his staff made rational decisions about the nature of their opponents and the backdrop against which the race was framed.

    Obama appealed to, and successfully herded, a mixed bag of cats who do not understand that this Republic is not too big to fail. By promising unsustainable treats, he’s damaged our, and our children’s, future.

    Look at some of the breakdowns of votes from some Ohio counties, counties that should have produced more Republican votes. Was the lack of Republican turnout because Romney was perceived as an aloof white man, caring very little about women, the brown-skinned, Gays, Siamese, American Bobtail? No. Republicans who are out of work, Republicans who’s kids are on insurance policies until they are 26, Republicans who deep in their minds are saying ‘Hey, I’d really like to get hold of some of that sweet, sweet catnip!’ pulled away, quietly. Or, once they were in front of the voting machine, guiltily looked over their shoulder and pushed the button marked ‘FreeShit’.

    The message, it too was strong; the resistance, too weak. This election was de Tocqueville’s prediction, proved better’n the Mayan one. I’m convinced of it.

  51. leigh says:

    McCain is given to embelishing his career and abilities as a pilot.

    He’s not honorable for a number of reasons and I’ll leave it at that.

  52. BigBangHunter says:

    – Rex Reed gives an accurate review of an only partially accurate rendering of history in the new Spielberg offering Lincoln.

    – As the reviewer points out, the movie goes to great lengths to depict the “hows”, foregoing the true “whys”, and leaving the viewer to continue believing the common myths, and keeping the Lincoln false image safely intact, along with the real history of the Democratic party nicely burried.

    – The fact that the Republicans of that time were hard Left, and the Democrats equally hard right, and that Lincoln had no use for Blacks, being a true believer in the biblical superiority of Whites as a devine constant, is carefully avoided by the Progressive Mr. Spielberg, along with the obssesive aims of Abe to destroy the Souths economic and political infrastructure, and the narrative killing messy fact that slavery, as an issue, played only a convieniant device in the entire process.

    – Just as is the case of the Left today, Lincoln’s ends justified the means.

  53. Roddy Boyd says:

    Tony Kushner wrote it. Look him up and that answers everything.

  54. BigBangHunter says:

    – Kusner didn’t ‘write it’, he adapted the screenplay from a tome by another author, a well regarded historian in her owm right, but leaving lots of room for the obligitory cherry pibking when you want to present a particular POV.

  55. BigBangHunter says:

    – No doubt this will bring a fresh round of ‘Lincoln as gay” natterings among those who depend on such nonsense.

  56. McGehee says:

    he adapted the screenplay from a tome by another author, a well regarded historian in her own right

    Let me guess: Doris Kearns Goodwin’s Team of Rivals. Good book, but too much substance to make a movie out of.

  57. BigBangHunter says:

    – Yep. She be the one McGehee.

  58. BigBangHunter says:

    – Sally Fields still has ‘got it’, even at 64, and 25 pounds over weight to fit the part. She and Tommy Lee make it watchable.

  59. sdferr says:

    It’s mildly amusing in a “timely funny” sort of sense that Doris Kearns Goodwin has been occasionally portrayed as the Paula Broadwell to LBJ’s Dave Petraeus.

  60. leigh says:

    Gross. I’ll get you for that sdferr.

  61. sdferr says:

    Hey, I didn’t do it. Go talk to Sally Quinn.

  62. leigh says:

    Heh.

  63. LBascom says:

    There are some very good reasons Romney lost that were evident by the start of baseball season.

    That the election was that close is impressive given Romney’s positions and statements. Given how preposterously foolish his platform was, and how poorly he and his advisors–who give every impression of being as bright as the geniuses surrounding Bush 2000-2008–understood the contemporary political/cultural backdrop, there should be substantial optimism.

    There are indeed reasons why Romney lost, and they are the same reasons why Obama should have lost, but didn’t. We call it the MSM. Propaganda works.

    “Romney’s positions and statements” were nothing, NOTHING, compared to Obamas record. The man has scores of scandals that are never talked about, though they would(and have) sunk any other candidate. The man doubled down on virtually everything Bush was demonized for(the deficit, the debt, Gitmo, executive orders, war in Libya without congressional approval, domestic surveillance, gas prices, and on and on), has the worst economy of any sitting president in 70 years, has no interest in the much vaunted “bipartisanship”(“I won”), makes Bush sound like Winston Churchill when he’s off the teleprompter(57 states, corpes men, ah, ah ah…), consorted will all sorts of shady characters in his past(Davis, Ayers, Wright eg.) , continually insulted and condemned the 47% that don’t vote for him(racist bitter clingers), and on and on

    You are full of shit Boyd, and yes, you are gloating. It sickens me.

  64. BigBangHunter says:

    – New jobs numbers continue apace in the Obama Utopia……in the wrong direction.

  65. BigBangHunter says:

    – The complete Paula Broadwell.

  66. BigBangHunter says:

    – Anonymous purple passion, or no connectiom?

  67. palaeomerus says:

    Well, I heard Rove suggesting that the Tea Party aren’t winners anymore and that the GOP needs to consider its next steps carefully.

    Hey Rove, of the eight or nine guys your PAC backed as ‘winners’ TWO of them made it in. You picked a loser for president and six losers for the senate. Your side aren’t winning much of anything either. You are not the sophisticated group that gets held back by a few morons that don’t get it.. You are just another cranky out of date set of insular loser with not political future. You right back in the 2008 ditch and can smell the wilderness nearby.

  68. Bordo says:

    Obama appealed to, and successfully herded, a mixed bag of cats who do not understand that this Republic is not too big to fail. By promising unsustainable treats, he’s damaged our, and our children’s, future.

    Look at some of the breakdowns of votes from some Ohio counties, counties that should have produced more Republican votes. Was the lack of Republican turnout because Romney was perceived as an aloof white man, caring very little about women, the brown-skinned, Gays, Siamese, American Bobtail? No. Republicans who are out of work, Republicans who’s kids are on insurance policies until they are 26, Republicans who deep in their minds are saying ‘Hey, I’d really like to get hold of some of that sweet, sweet catnip!’ pulled away, quietly. Or, once they were in front of the voting machine, guiltily looked over their shoulder and pushed the button marked ‘FreeShit’.

    The message, it too was strong; the resistance, too weak. This election was de Tocqueville’s prediction, proved better’n the Mayan one. I’m convinced of it.

    Amen. This is the best nutshelling of what just happened as I have seen. Well said.

  69. LBascom says:

    Bordo, I thought there was a misinterpretation on “herding cats”, but other than that, it was good.

    Cats are individuals. I recommend an edit:

    Obama appealed to, and successfully herded was keeper of a mixed bag of cats who hive mind, that do not understand that this Republic is not too big to fail. By promising unsustainable treats, he’s damaged our, and our children’s, future.

  70. LBascom says:

    That the election was that close is impressive given Romney’s positions and statements.

    Here’s some more, ya media hack.

  71. Roddy Boyd says:

    No Lee, Gloating is something different.

    Romney was a captured by Wall Street political hack. In a nation brought to the brink of total collapse by that very sector, he pumped–get this–deregulation for the fucking capital markets. Double plus smart! Bears the Lee Bascom seal of approval, no doubt. Less headache and scrutiny for private equity was certainly what millions of middle and lower middle class voters want to hear. They might not get meat daily, but they took comfort in Romney’s private endorsement of the tax advantages afforded private capital management.

    On a host of other things, Obama had major exposures on his flank, where Romney could make credible high ground claims. Ending the absurdity of farm price supports and what it meant for food prices, nuclear energy expansion, serious personal and income tax reform. These are major GOP issues that are really, really hard for the Dems to support and look like anything other than favor granting scumbags.

    There was major empirical evidence available to absolutely bludgeon Obama and the Dems with things that are FUCKING devastating to our economy and our way of life.
    He on occasion obliquely referred to them, dwelling here and there on how some reform might work, Fox News style. Just like Reagan, you know? Leave the enemy’s weak spots alone to go after him where he’s strongest.

    It’s not a question of the perfect being the enemy of the good. This was the path to winning, or the road to defeat. Just hitting on Benghazi or whatever is stupid. The American people are tired from ME intrigue and adventures.

    These are just the affirmatives; the negatives are entirely different. The only bailout this nation HAD to do was AIG, and maybe Citi. Beyond that, it was all stupid, and structured abusively. He took no principled stands, didn’t evince any real views one way or another. He was broadly opposed to them, but was saw some need in others. Ohio was the Alamo for him–you’d have thought he would have had some defined answers in a state where unions and manufacturing still matter. But his campaign didn’t much see that coming. Genius.

    Being for that and against this, in 45 second sound bites, made him look like George W. Bush. Instead of a principled conservative stand, repeatedly annunciated, he was Mr. Fox–opposed to this because Obama was for it.

    I’m full of shit, Lee. I know. I’m a reporter, it’s what we do. I’ll concede to your foresight and just acknowledge that the GOP should run another Wall Street genius and spend an additional $4 billion and maybe carry one more state that we didn’t win in ’12. I’m guessing Nevada. Yup, Nevada is the ticket.

    Keep mocking Obama, Lee. Because you’re going to love President Biden if things don’t change.

  72. newrouter says:

    Because you’re going to love President Biden if things don’t change.

    roddy good allan that be gaffetastic

  73. newrouter says:

    shitheads/nyt readers

    “It was very ‘Downton Abbey,’ ” Mr. Conrad said. “We were kind of sad when the lights went on. It was really nice to be here with people. It was beautiful, and the staff was so nice.”

    Matt Misbin, 22, who was sitting at Calliope, a neighborhood restaurant, agreed. “It was a democratizing experience,” he said. “Because no one had power.”

  74. cranky-d says:

    Obama will just issue an executive order negating the 22nd amendment and keep running for office and getting 108% of the vote.

  75. bh says:

    Revisionist history.

  76. bh says:

    For every flaw that we can find with Romney there are another thirty to be found with Obama.

    To pretend otherwise is to just ride a pre-existing hobby horse into the sunset.

  77. bh says:

    Should we compile a list of events that should have destroyed Obama’s chances for re-election?

    Romney was a poor candidate. So were half the presidents who’ve won the office.

    Obama is the anomaly.

  78. bh says:

    To be clear, I’m busting Roddy’s balls here.

  79. cranky-d says:

    To be clear, I’m busting Roddy’s balls here.

    That was fairly obvious. To me, anyway.

  80. bh says:

    Heh, I occasionally worry that it might seem like I’m referencing the comment/s before mine when I’m not specific, cranky.

  81. cranky-d says:

    That happens to me, too, bh, since I’m often lazy about quoting. Like this time.

  82. leigh says:

    Clear as glass, bh.

    Obama is a dangerous monster.

    Romney was a poor candidate, sure. But we all knew that from the jump. For all of the bravado about how J. Fred Muggs could have beaten Obama, it was nothing but wishful thinking.

  83. Danger says:

    “Keep mocking Obama, Lee. Because you’re going to love President Biden if things don’t change.”

    Roddy,

    First, a mea culpa; your take on the pre-election polling was correct and mine was wrong. Props to you.

    Second, When half of the electorate is ignorant of the issues at stake and even the ones that make a token effort to tune in close to the election get their information from news sources actively promoting the Socialists; it wouldn’t have mattered what strategy Romney (or any other candidate Team R would have produced) had employed.

    You minimize the Benghazi disaster but why did CBS go to such lengths to assist Obama by releasing damaging portions of their interview the day before the election? I’d say they recognize just how fucked up Obama’s response prior to, during and after the attack was.

    Just think of it this way: One of Romney’s employees asked for an extended absence to search for his missing daughter in NYC. The cold-hearted, cut-throat, job-outsourcer decides to deny the absence and instead suspends Bain Capital’s operations, moves the organization to NYC, sets up a command Post to hand out fliers and search for his employees daughter.

    Contrast this with the guy currently in the White House that watches the attack on our consolate in real time and denies pleas for help from people on the ground, then later tries to claim this attack was some kind of protest gone awry. When that is revealed to be an unjustifiable assertion (lie) he tries to revive his mojo (with an able assist from Candy Crowley at the second debate) by claiming he called it terrorism all along.

    Now, regulars here are informed enough to raise the old bravo sierra on this, (and just about everything coming out of propoganda central) most voters (not including the Obama’s means to an ends supporters) are ignorant to the levels of deciet that YOUR industry is conducting.

    So if you are looking for a scapegoat I’ll give you some help. They’re surrounding you.

    How bout launching some ordnance over to your adjacent cubicles.

  84. BigBangHunter says:

    – Unfortunately Leigh, all the back and forth about Romney this and Obama that doesn’t really matter when you have a large enough portion of the population climging to free shit as their political driver, and an election system thats totally unrulely, and apparently legally unfixable.

    – With that sort of situation on the ground the rest is just naval gazing. Boyd and a few others are full of shit and don’t even understand why they are.

    – But then, we wouldn’t be in this position in the first place, were that not the case. The opposition nutures and depends on the distractions.

  85. BigBangHunter says:

    – And added to that, what Danger said. When you lose a free press you’re already half way to tyranny. When you add a large enough hive mind electorate and a broken election system, you’re all the way there.

  86. leigh says:

    Agreed on all the above, BBH.

    With a complicit press and a greedy populace, a guy like Obama looks like a regular Candy Man.

  87. BigBangHunter says:

    – When the day comes that Obama Clause’s bag turns up empty, and the national press finally can’t sell enough papers to stay afloat, the inhabitants of Pleasure Island will suddenly get religion and start screaming for reform, but there won’t be anything left to reform.

  88. leigh says:

    I’d just as soon get it over with. Sooner rather than later.

  89. beemoe says:

    The GOP needs to harness the Power of the Schwartz.

    http://movieclips.com/hRHT-spaceballs-movie-merchandising-merchandising/

  90. LBascom says:

    Keep mocking Obama, Lee. Because you’re going to love President Biden if things don’t change.

    You don’t understand.

    It don’t matter.

    It’s over.

    America is done.

    The great experiment looked good for awhile, helped advance civilization, but ultimately sold it’s soul for security.

    There is now no return to our constitutional republic, we ARE getting something new and different.

    God help us…

  91. BigBangHunter says:

    – Well anyone that recognizes this movie has all been seen before will share your feelings. For those that crouch in their holes and play pretend, it will be that much worse.

    – The problems are systemic, and temporally driven. Evolution crawls along a microinch a decade, and thats simply not fast enough for the ‘thinkers’. So you always get to a point in civilazations where men decide they can hurry the process and it always ends the same way.

    – The irony is that we evolve slowly at about the same pace as our lifespans increase. But again, thats not good enough for the future minded, the academics, so they try to game a process that simply rolls over them like a Mac truck. Its a human enough characteristic, in our genes, but it doesn’t change anything. Nature ignores the good plans of man totally.

    – If we manage to survive this epoch we’ll do it all again.

    – Some men know all this, and thats why you see all the prayers for devine intervention among the religious, and the hoped for external intervention from some higher civilatzation on Dec. 21st. They are all too aware that 98% of the people on this planet are still living in the 15th centuary and wouldn’t know the ‘post modern era’ from their elbows, and the entire postulate is total bullshit. But still they hope, even cynics like Boyd, people who cling to the idea that somehow they’ll be the ones smart enough and lucky enough to escape it all and prosper. The worst sort of self delusion.

    – Just because some choose to burry their heads in the sand, or point, yammer, and ridicule about doom and gloom changes nothing. Its coming.

  92. bh says:

    There is now no return to our constitutional republic, we ARE getting something new and different.

    On the plus side, it’s Friday night so having a drink or two wouldn’t be out of line. Cheers.

  93. bh says:

    Cheers to everyone, btw. You too, Roddy.

    Good health and long life. All that good stuff. It’s entirely possible to come through wretched times and smile about it later.

    Maybe it was necessary in a way we don’t recognize now.

  94. Mike LaRoche says:

    It’s only Friday night? I hope so because I could use an extra day this weekend.

  95. LBascom says:

    “external intervention from some higher civilization on Dec. 21st”? I thought that was doomsday. The shift of magnetic poles, massive earthquakes, volcanoes, and death!

    If it’s just friendly aliens trying to help, well then…glad to meet’cha

  96. leigh says:

    Life’s a twisting stream, fellers.

  97. palaeomerus says:

    The friendly aliens could explain to us that the black number should always be bigger than the red numbers.

  98. bh says:

    It’s only Friday night?

    Apparently not, according to the calender. Yikes. It wasn’t that long ago that I had weekends.

    I might need a vacation.

  99. BigBangHunter says:

    – LB, tha externals coming on the mother ship to save humanity would be the ‘new agers’.

    – The apocalypse crew think everything ends with a bang instead of the reality it tends to end with a long drawn out whimper. Thus the need for all the grandious scenarios. Men just can’t help but make their mistakes important.

    – I’m not sure that the mother ship hiding in the tail of that approaching comet would be a very good prospect either, even were it true. With mankinds luck the comet would be on a collision coarse

  100. bh says:

    A vacation and a dictionary. Calendar.

    Jeebus.

  101. sdferr says:

    ‘least it didn’t pop out colander for too much straining at pasta.

  102. Danger says:

    “having a drink or two wouldn’t be out of line”

    bh, These days I’d say your sanity demands a two drink minimum (regardless of how seedy the bar – YOU TRACKIN ME ABE;).

  103. BigBangHunter says:

    – Danger, If Lincoln roold over and answers you, I’m out of here. Oh, wait…..

  104. BigBangHunter says:

    – This situation we face sort of reminds me a bit of the 2nd week of the October Cuban missle crisus, you know, JFK’s most excellant adventure.

    – After 12 greuling days of armageddon standoff, everyone was in a state of numbed shock, wondering would he or wouldn’t he, by which I mean would the politoburo tell Khruschev to sit the fuck down and shutup, or would we all be pushing up daisies at any moment. I would imagine a world record was set for booze consumption during that period.

    – Hopefully this ‘event’ will be a bit more slow paced and forgiving, but the truth is that at least a limited nuclear conflageration might possibly be triggered as countries find themselves embroiled in all out mob rioting, at least initially as things go south. But maybe we’ll be fortunate enough to at least avoid that happy prospect. Cheers.

  105. BigBangHunter says:

    – Drudge ramps up the pressure….

    “What else are they hiding?”

  106. palaeomerus says:

    I suck at Halo 4.

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