May be good to you, but for me? Meh. I’m off on a family matter. Not sure when I’ll be back later today.
If you have any tips or links to share, post them here in the comments.
Thanks.
— Oh. And Obama? Not a Good Man, no matter what he tells you he’ll do to protect your vulva and environs.
If you have any tips or links to share, post them here in the comments.
Haven’t got time – too busy behaving like an ass.
Dang if Sandy hasn’t ramped up a bit to 90mph sustained. That can’t be good.
Is that link busted? Sorry.
SW, doesn’t that fall under the UK’s “Don’t insult people or go to jail” laws?
Anyway, amuse yourself by bouncing some cats.
Darth, that depends on whether he meant “equipped like a donkey” or something entirely different.
So that’s what they mean by “dead cat bounce”.
Move over Leonidas.
No link, but the Samsung Galaxy S III is awesome. My wife got it for me for my birthday. Huge screen, blazing fast processor (smokes the iPhone 5), and 4G transfer speeds make John a happy nerd.
Link at Drudge:
A link that delves a bit further into the Gen. Ham relieved of command theory.
How’s about a couple of humorous headlines from The Hill?
Try: “Obama Floats Plan for a ‘Secretary of Business’ If He Wins Second Term“! [I guess at first glance it’s better than ‘Secretary of Business Annihilation’– sdf]
Or: “Congress Gangs Up Over Libya“! [Bloods? or Crips? — sdf]
My favorite tweet from yesterday, via God@TweetOfGod:
It says at Politico about Obama (no link on general principle “don’t link Politico”):
Summabitch takes offense that people notice he and his administration are hiding every goddamn thing they can hide? Hell, just yesterday Sen. Portman related he’d written a letter asking specific questions over three weeks ago that has still not received a response. He’s gonna get to know better the meaning of “take offense” I reckon.
His skin makes gold leaf look thick.
It isn’t the thinness of skin that causes those sorts of indignant injured outbursts though. It’s all a matter of pretending injury to throw his antagonists off-balance, as though he has a dignity to injure. Of course the mere pretense tells the story: he hasn’t dignity (for he hasn’t shame), he’s a liar through and through.
Links? Okay, I think I’ll class up the joint a little with this culturally edifying exhibition of modern dance.
Now there’s a bureaucracy marching to
warElection Day with thearmystorm it has, rather than thearmystorm it wished for.It isn’t the thinness of skin that causes those sorts of indignant injured outbursts though. It’s all a matter of pretending injury to throw his antagonists off-balance, as though he has a dignity to injure.
Narcissists always turn your accusations back onto you, especially when you’ve got them dead-to-rights. The more “offended” he gets, the more you know you’re over the target.
7 minutes of cartoon poop genie gags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaApj1bf9Ks
Those Broncos looked great, and are just getting better. #18 is a stud.
Anybody remember Dukakis and, “I resent it”?
The first “Secretary of Business”.
Fearful Asymmetry:
Must-See TV:Conrad Black responds to reporters exactly as they deserve.
dicentra, do you have a reference for narcissism?
The Conrad Black interviews are spectacular.
Inversely spectacular is the Press.
i don’t know about narcissists per se, but abusers in general are famous for the rage offensive when caught red-handed. Everything “bounces off of them and sticks to you”
All Obama can do is get offended. If Sandy causes mass casualties, he’s going to use that as a buffer against anymore questions before the election. Will it work?
Food Stamp Nation.
Fair warning: you may want to have a barf bucket handy…
Exodus: Inner City Blacks Fleeing Obama, Democrats
thus spake baracky
But right now the key is to make sure that the public is following instructions.
newrouter,
Sounds like those inner city blacks need themselves a Romzilla!
No seriously, I read that headline as:
Exodus: Inner City Japanese Fleeing Mothra, Ghidrah
Too close to Halloween.
Ohio RCP Poll Avg Four Years Ago Today
With a huge internal shift for Indies to Romney this looks more encouraging daily. Headed to the Victory event in Kettering tomorrow. Gotta keep this momentum going for 8 more days!
Here’s a detailed description of narcissism from Dr. Sanity’s blog: http://tinyurl.com/9hc4wq9
people be gone to bed tonight far from home and not sleepin knowin they gone lose they house
it ain’t right but all you can really do is say a prayer and click on over to the salvation army
dicentra, do you have a reference for narcissism?
Not at all. I’m just making this stuff up as I go along.
Except for the part I learned from having been raised by a narcissist, that is, and having read up on it.
Off-topic, assuming there is one in the first place. I’m watching Chris Christie give a live press conference right now, and I don’t want to hear any more “Christie for President” nonsense.
The man, while he has a lot of good points, seems to have an unacceptably fascist view of government — he’s pissed-off that the AC mayor chose to ignore his evacuation order. “Unacceptable behavior”, with a strong hint of “I rule you”. To which I can only say (if I lived in NJ), “Fuck you, gubernator. I’ll take your suggestions under advisement, but you work for me, and you don’t get to kick me out of my house if I don’t wish to leave. You work for me, mister.”
Yes, he’s the enemy of our enemy, but that doesn’t make him our friend.
On the other hand, I plan to plant some narcissus bulbs this week. Does that count?
Yes, he’s the enemy of our enemy, but that doesn’t make him our friend.
and he’s fat too
Thanks, Libby.
My interest, dicentra, is from rubbing shoulders — and more — with them a few too many times. It’s rough; apparently narc abuse is a formal term for the aftermath. My best to you.
Times Square live webcam shows little vehicle traffic but pedestrians still walking around. Some have umbrellas so the wind can’t be too strong at the moment.
Link
nr: me too. I don’t hold that against him.
monday I can have carbs I might run up to the Wiggins piggly wiggly get me some yams and a biscuit and just eat it in their little deli there before heading out for biloxi
Ship Island is closed cause of the hurricane Isaac… closed til spring next year is what they say
I hate hurricanes
But monday I can have carbs
this sandy is making my basement have little streams. the good news is my new roof as a result of a 7/4/12 hailstorm is doing good. the bad news is that the gutter guys didn’t start yet.
be careful Mr newrouter hurricanes are treacherous and very very malicious
apparently narc abuse is a formal term for the aftermath. My best to you.
Heh. They say that the only people who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder are the people surrounding the NPD. They themselves feel no pain.
My dad is a fairly mild case—a cerebral narcissist, which means that he is always right and always the smartest person in the room. He’s a law-abiding citizen who never had aspirations to public power. No sociopathy. No violent tendencies. And like most cerebrals, no sexual acting-out.
So he’s not a danger to the public, just to those in his immediate family, and possibly subordinates. (He’s retired now, so that’s off the table).
Oh, he’s retired from being the Psychology Department head at a university. Make of that what you will.
Tip for Jeff- it just occured to me today that you might need to make sure the ‘dillo understands that these are going to be fake zombies coming by the house here shortly, or at least make sure he can’t get to any of the guns.
Actually probably both of those are fairly sound ideas.
It seems blaming is a component of all personality disorders. di. Or so I’ve read, which is co-confirmed in maybe four people I know who have made life-long crusades out of their various denials. I’m just now looking into narcissistic personality disorder — and the spectrum of disorders — because I suspect I just left a relationship with one with a variety of cluster B symptoms, as charming, bright, and interesting as X was.
What’s interesting to me is that narcissistic personality disorder isn’t typified by having been filled with unreasonable praise as a child but having been emotionally neglected and abused. Apparently whole systems don’t develop and the narcissist is more empty than s/he is unreasonably filled. The pride is a compensation.
It’s heartbreaking to learn there’s nothing you can do to stop the pattern, start filling the void, and recover an otherwise fragmented, hurting soul. It seems like that soul has never been engaged by a heart that’s never itself been switched on.
Yet being with one is to be used, denied, lied to, betrayed, and ultimately devalued to nothing. I suspect it’s generational — possibly biological or hereditary — and takes an effort to escape.
All of this also strikes me as a parallel to Christian rebirth, a theme Peck wrote about in The Road Less Traveled. Dr. Sanity at Libby’s link notes the impacted child, which to me points to “putting away childish things”. Denial never does that unless it’s fractured and discarded by will and effort.
Fascinating. And prevalent but with love and perseverance, able to be overcome, I hope and pray. No soul is not worth effort.
JHoward, have you read “People of the Lie” also by Peck? It’s very informative about sociopaths and the like, as well.
Nature or nurture, who knows? After many years of study, I’ve concluded (for my purposes) that we’ll never solve that one.
the battle for america done in weather systems
(time sensitive – sandy)
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Read them both, leigh, thanks. Masterworks, and given the easy tone, surprisingly so. I seem to recall a quote in the liner notes to one of them about it being Peck’s incomparable gift to humanity.
Peck is (was now?) a wonderful man. Insightful, warm and still took no prisoners.
I’ve given his books to people who aren’t religious and since he is not insistent or badgering, but merely explains how his faith informs his life and how he would like to share that gift with the reader, almost no one has given them back with a “No thanks.”
my basement has created 3 more streams and 2 rivers in the last hour
who knew that gutters mattered?
That’s not good, nr. What part of town are you in?
I suspect it’s generational — possibly biological or hereditary — and takes an effort to escape.
There are exactly zero organic contributors to the disorders: They’re 100% psychological defense mechanisms gone horribly wrong.
My father’s brothers all have NPD to one degree or another. (I’m not sure about the two sisters, but they’re pretty messed up in their way).
My grandfather was NPD (cerebral as well) and his wife was a reverse (complimentary) narcissist: he needed someone to worship him and she needed someone to worship. Near the end of her life, my grandmother began to fret about not having done right by her kids, but I don’t know the extent to which she put her finger on the problem.
My paternal grandfather is reported to have asked a child at a large family reunion, “Whose little girl are you?” She was his own daughter. That event destroyed her self-regard for decades. No apology ever came, no recognition that he’d made a mistake or hurt her feelings.
The funerals of my two grandfathers are illustrative: for my paternal grandfather (NPD), they talked about how he devoured books and worked really, really hard (he single-handedly built the telephone system in a small town); for my maternal grandfather (normal), it was about how much he loved his family, how he’d take his kids’ report cards to the factory where he worked to brag about them.
My paternal grandparents’ funerals were rife with “amusing anecdotes” that were actually horrifying: the tellers had no idea that they were describing abuse, so inured were they to their own mistreatment. My maternal grandparents’ funerals were warm and fuzzy, describing people who led full lives and had few regrets, if any.
with love and perseverance, able to be overcome, I hope and pray.
Theoretically, people with personality disorders can work through it all, but if they had the capacity to do the work, they wouldn’t have the personality disorder in the first place.
They built the exaggerated, unwieldy defense mechanisms in the first place to obliterate an unbearably awful sense of self: as worthless, despicable, excruciatingly vile worms whose very existence is an offense to God and the universe. They’ve set up an conceptual system where if they’re not their imaginary self (grandiose, dramatic, whatever), they must be the worm: nothing in between.
That’s why they erupt into a rage if you criticize them: you’re pointing to the vile inner worm that they’re trying so desperately to obliterate, plus you’re touching the internalized rage that developed during the initial devaluation (see: Islamic Rage).
The only PD that has any hope of recovery is the Borderline type, and that only because there’s less ego involved. The other PDs don’t go to therapy unless forced to, and then they rip the therapist to shreds because there’s nothing wrong with them, dammit!
The first step to recovery is to recognize that something is wrong: someone with a PD would have to admit that the imaginary self is not real, which would mean that they’re the worm.
They can’t do it. The pain is far too severe. They have to stay in their cocoon just to survive.
No soul is not worth effort.
With PDs, you can only accept that they’re not going to change during their mortal sojourn. You can continue to associate with them, if you wish, but it will be more of the same. It’s OK to write them off entirely, as I’ve had to do, because there’s no chance at a healthy reconciliation.
It would appear that some people’s function on this earth is to be a trial to everyone else, to teach very hard lessons about self-preservation and dignity and forgiveness. I don’t know the extent to which my father is accountable to God for his actions: it depends on what he was capable of doing, what he knew to do, and what he did (as with the rest of us, actually).
It’s very informative about sociopaths and the like, as well.
When it comes to sociopathy, in some cases, a particular area of the brain has been damaged (right behind the eyes). Phineas Gage and stuff.
There is some comorbidity with PDs and substance abuse, for example, but I don’t reckon NPDs are capable of successfully completing a 12-step program.
That’s one way to rule out NPD: If the person did a 12-step and continues the recovery. The other rule-out is how the person accepts criticism: if they can react gracefully or ignore it, there’s no NPD.
nr, I lived in Maryland during Isabel in 2003. When the power went out the sump pump quit and the basement began to flood. We were hand-bailing until that was too ridiculous to continue. We had just finished that basement.
I will never understand why builders on the eastern coastline put basements in. They are just floods waiting to happen.
anyway, that’s why I told the people who bought our house in 2006 “hey – get yourself a generator” – i hope they took that advice
The only PD that has any hope of recovery is the Borderline type, and that only because there’s less ego involved.
I’m going to have to disagree with this statement. Not the ego part (ego manifests itself in all of us, normal or not so normal) but that BPDs are more treatable. I haven’t found that to be the case at all. They will go to treatment, try to follow treatment guidelines, start to make progess (sometimes) and them quit. They are like ticks, the insect kind, and will move on to a new host where they can practice their evil ju-ju until it inevitably falls apart.
So, round and round they go.
They will go to treatment, try to follow treatment guidelines, start to make progess (sometimes) and then quit.
Which is much more than the rest of the PDs, who don’t go except coerced and never try to follow the guidelines because they don’t need them, you effing quack.
Con Edison shuts off power to part of Lower Manhattan due to Sandy
my former coal cellar has become a reservoir. only a inch so far.
you effing quack.
Heh. The other PDs will go to therapy too—when they’re court-ordered. They show up every session, are passive-aggressive as all get out and you never see them again once they get the green light from the Judge.
that they have satisfied the requirements of their sentence.
They get sent to rehab once and a while, too, but generally get bounced because they can’t follow the rules. Shocking, huh?
Report: Fast and Furious a product of DOJ ‘deliberate strategy’ laid out by Eric Holder, other senior Obama officials
I never had a flood in Pittsburgh.
I did when I lived in Reading during the Blizzard of ’96. Ruined all of my Oriental rugs that were rolled up and stored there and uninsured, because who can afford flood insurance?
Shocking, huh?
Nope. Step 1 in every recovery is to admit you have a problem, and PDs will be damned if they’ll admit THAT.
Especially when it’s so blindingly obvious that the world is filled with morons and ignoramuses and cheaters and traitors and ugly people who are the ones screwing everything up.
The PD, he’s got his hands cleaner than spring water and his conscience as pure as the driven snow.
The PD, he’s got his hands cleaner than spring water and his conscience as pure as the driven snow.
*sigh* Sounds like my ex-husband. I spent a long time trying to figure out why he was the only one who found fault with everything I did. Including having a miscarriage which was *obviously* the fault of my inferior genes. Or something.
I don’t know if it’s PD or just being a plain old abusive asshole. My ex made me give birth to our last kid in the front seat of my car because he was pissed off at me and didn’t want to take me to the hospital.
(This explains why I will never marry again, in case that is of interest to anyone. no? ok nevermind :) )
i’m on top of a hill leigh so no flood. just rain water from the roof with no gutters. winds have started to pick up.
back to the hurricane, nr. It might be time to get anything valuable out of the basement for the night…old photos, pets, grandma, etc etc
My ex made me give birth to our last kid in the front seat of my car because he was pissed off at me and didn’t want to take me to the hospital.
PDs = abusive assholes = PDs
Normal people are jerks from time to time, perhaps repeatedly so, but only a PD would refuse to take a woman in labor to a hospital out of spite.
Huge red flag, that one is.
the water coming in isn’t that huge. mostly various streams from the perimeter of the foundation. some folks do model railroading their basements. tonite i’m doing the corps of engineers :)
Let me be more clear (and backstop my point with your own experience): I suspect it’s generational in that it — again in a parallel to the Christian “unto the third and fourth generation that hate Me”, where Me is the Undefinable Absolute, or all truth — impresses a new generation with the old generation’s absence of empathy, i.e., PD.
For example, you mention the unrecognized daughter and the devaluation she felt. The person in my recent experience was impacted by a clearly narc mother (I met her), and apparently the subsequent devaluation, emotional neglect and abuse, and resulting emptiness resulted in a new generation of disorder.
I still believe that God heals all who give it all up — Peck writes about simply demanding to pursue truth regardless of cost, especially the cost to self, which is to say that the protected false identity is not impossible to eventually reject. I say this with clear instances of unrecovered PDs in my own life, but while distance is necessary to save oneself from them, I do not devalue one or two of them as human souls, that being the limits of my not-Jesus-like capacity, I’m afraid. I won’t devalue them like they’ve devalued others.
Technically, quite the contrary. He’s a denialist covering for that vile worm. He acts like he’s got his hands cleaner than spring water and his conscience as pure as the driven snow, which you’ve said. In the case of my recent person X, she knows she’s affected and she’s composed a rather brilliant insight to conquer one elemental symptom of the PD. She just needs to see the forest. Just…
The long hard fall.
Well, nr, it sounds like you need to get down to the home improvement place and get you some gutters. Downspouts, too.
I’m glad it’s not a flood flood.
except that he is frighteningly charming when he’s in public. He can act totally normal. That’s how I ended up married to him. Once the wedding license was signed and we left for our honeymoon though, the mask started coming off. I knew that I’d made the biggest mistake of my life a week into it — but I take my life and death vows extremely seriously.
He finally left for another woman, and of course he was wildly charming and she married him. They live in DC now and I have no idea how she is faring….honestly I don’t think I want to know.
I have had evil fantasies all day about hurricane Sandy wiping him off the face of the earth but that’s just my revenge issues talking.
just rain water from the roof with no gutters
If it starts raining hard enough, fast enough, they would have overtopped anyways.
Nah, he just needs that spray rubber sealant in a can stuff they advertise on TV at 3 in the a.m. —the one they used to turn a screen door into the bottom of a flatboat.
Of course, it helps if the surface you’re sealing is dry.
I made a spreadsheet and plotted X’s behaviors on it. Assuming a continuity between the three clusters of PD, I was surprised to find that cluster B — antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narc — contained the most tick marks with AS and NPD the predominance. Adjoining schizotypal PD over in cluster A had some, but none occurred in cluster C, which are avoidant, obsessive, and dependent. Someone I know’s wife has those.
My question is if a scattergun of symptoms will populate across PDs and even clusters of PDs, perhaps even into adjoining clusters.
get you some gutters. Downspouts, too.
there was a hailstorm here on the 4th of July ’12. the insurance peeps said $20k damage. the roof has been replaced . waiting for the siding and gutter guys to do their work. (by the way: the mexicans did a great job 1.5 days clean site)
If it starts raining hard enough, fast enough
mr. ernst it has been just a steady rain not a down pour. saturated ground.
Here’s hoping the wind doesn’t force the water underneath the singles or behind the soffit.
you plotted your X’s behaviors on a spreadsheet?
I kept a journal just so someone would know who to suspect in case I disappeared. :/ And I made out a will and mailed it to my mother.
meeeeemorieees…
gutters are useless in a storm like this. Ours overtopped, just like Ernst said, and all the water was still pouring around the foundation and flooding the basement.
Your only hope is a sump pump and a generator.
It’s been almost 30 years since my ex and I split and I used to wish fiery death on him or disease (or both!) for years until I decided, for my own spiritual well-being that that was not helping, but hurting me. I finally started worrying about me, the ‘now’ me, not the ‘old’ me, even though we are one and the same.
Integrating all of the good and the bad and still moving on with life is what trips up a lot of people. I finally met my now husband, had a family, finished school and don’t think about the bad old days anymore. Although I will say that I have dreams of being chased by someone who is trying to kill me, steal my children, has taken me to an unfamiliar location and so on. I’ve had them ever since the divorce, but I know what they are all about now and while they are distressing, I don’t wake up terrified anymore.
how’s come we can’t give illegal mexicans who work green cards? why does it have to be all or nothing?
<i.by the way: the mexicans did a great job 1.5 days clean site
Roofers did our house in 2 days as well this summer. They even walked around with a magnetic tool and picked up staples and nails before they packed up.
Also Mexicans.
That’s disappointing. I was imagining you living out your own private Key Largo.
Here’s hoping the wind doesn’t force the water underneath
the place had box gutters and roofers eliminated them so the soffit/fascia is at its original condition circa 1890-1900
NPD abuse is a bitch. Organizing the PD symptoms I’d been subject to was the only way I could stop thinking myself into knots and start driving stakes in the ground to see how all those shadows lined up. Once I started, everything made sense. From there you develop a sense of compassion to displace the confused anger. (Not my ex, actually, although that’s another case of this. Just a recent person X.)
Since grasping what Peck was on about I’ve had a sense that JC had the capacity to extend compassion to the world. I can to about two people who’ve screwed me over. It’s something, and understanding how/what/why they did it was and is immensely helpful.
Remember too that we didn’t get into this because we’re helpless victims. We identified with some aspect of it and accepted it as familiar or comfortable. Re-identifying is part of cognition which is part of detaching.
I think.
Ernst, that’s sdferr who lives in Key Largo. j/k
i still think sandy is “biblical” look at this loop(time sensitive) with a very “angry” sandy confronting the system from from the “west”
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they collide in illinois and wisconsin
Remember too that we didn’t get into this because we’re helpless victims. We identified with some aspect of it and accepted it as familiar or comfortable. Re-identifying is part of cognition which is part of detaching.
Very good, JHo. You thought right on that one.
except that he is frighteningly charming when he’s in public. He can act totally normal.
That’s typical. They have no real self, so they just use whichever fake self serves their purposes best. There’s no real self to conceal in the first place, which make them extremely adept liars.
Once the wedding license was signed and we left for our honeymoon though,
Also typical. Once you’ve reeled in the fish, why show it any more lure? Same thing happened to my mom, and she stayed for the same reasons—fidelity to her covenants. It’s too bad that people don’t know that people who change shortly after the wedding (or the hire, or other threshhold) are not going to change back, and that it’ll only get worse.
More signs that you were married to a narcissist:
— He’d vehemently insist that you were doing [x] when in fact that’s precisely what HE was doing. Woe betide anyone who dared point it out.
— He’d “remember” the past so differently from you that you’d wonder if you were going insane: he’d deny saying or doing [x] when he totally did, even if it was just a few minutes ago, and you realize that he isn’t lying to you so much as he’s completely out of touch with reality: the version he insists on is the only one he will/can live with.
— If he found the room temperature to be satisfactory, then the room temperature was satisfactory; any complaints about the temperature or (God forbid!) changing the thermostat was done to piss HIM off. The room temp is fine and you’re just being a jerk about it.
— He’d answer slights with petty vengeances (not just family: work, neighbors, etc.), even when doing so was clearly excessive or counter-productive.
— Apologies only came when it was beneficial to him—to save face in public, for example—but you never got even an insincere one, because he never needed to apologize—it was clearly your fault for being so damned sensitive.
— Any need you might have—comfort, consolation, cheering up—was a rude imposition on his time and resources, you demanding bitch.
— If he punched you (verbally or physically) and you yelled “ouch!” he’d do it again, right there, because you aren’t going to tell him what to do or not do.
— Emotionally, he was frozen at about age six or less: it would have been embarrassing to watch a grown man pitch a fit like that if it weren’t so frightening. Unlike a toddler, he can do something about his rage.
— In fact, rage was about the only thing holding him together.
— Nobody could tell him anything, unless he perceived that person to be higher-ranking than himself (certainly NOT his wife or kids), in which case he brown nosed like a fool.
I still believe that God heals all who give it all up
And yet, you can’t be healed until you cry out to God to be saved from your awful fallen state. NPDs cannot see that they’re a freaking mess, even in the slightest degree: you ask my dad about his performance as a father and husband and he’ll give himself an A and mean it. My BiL once wrote him a letter to chastise him for his abuse and all he did was deem my BiL an enemy. Not a word of it penetrated Fortress Narcissist.
Not all wounds are healed in this life; some have to wait for this mortal coil to shuffle off and be put out of the way. It’s hard to accept, but the list of things in this life that are hard to accept is pretty long to begin with…
MILITARY INSIDER: How soon could we have gotten to Benghazi? All that was needed to send those -deleted- scattering was one single F-18. Range of app. 2k. TS of over 1000mph. Do the math. We had that capability less than 500 miles away. NASSIG would have had full armed deployment inside of 20. From time of initial report to arming, to takeoff. I’ve seen it done in less. ETA to consulate in less than hour. Would have ripped a hole in the sky to get there. This is exactly what we are trained for. Just one flyer would have lit those -deleted- up inside of 10. Coordinates known. That’s all our guys need. Would have been precision termination. Clean. In/out.
Instead, left on own to die out there.
Not the first time.
WHC coordinating with State, others to TS classify everything. EVERYTHING.
Shutting it all down.
Significant activity out of NLSO on this as well.
Have eyes. Have ears. Need mouths.
F-cking politicians.
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Remember too that we didn’t get into this because we’re helpless victims.
I was born to the narcissist, so this doesn’t apply. To the narcissists I’ve dated, yes, but not the initial relationship.
He’d “remember” the past so differently from you that you’d wonder if you were going insane
he’s a proggtard
he’s a proggtard
Dr. Sanity (and others) say that the entire movement behaves like someone with NPD.
That they do. My SiL, bless her heart, just blasted me on Facebook for being ‘stupid’, not having a ‘sense of humor’ (re, the tattoed girl talking about screwing being just like voting) and posted a picture of herself flipping me the bird.
This woman is nearly 60 and has always acted this way. I’ve never been able to determine what my brother sees in her. She’s petty, not pretty and vulgar.
mean while in the basement lock/dam of the coal cellar has been opened. environmental groups filing suit;)
Sandy is just a big mess now.
How long until the looting begins?
nr – That report supports a lot of implications, but no smoking guns. While interesting in tracing the evolution it still does not answer the key question of what purpose did Holder/Obama have in giving weapons to the Cartels with no tracibility by intent.
– The current theory of using increased killings/murder as a way to introduce new gun control seems like a reach. Of course as an academic excersize its just the sort of thing you’d expect from the halls of higher self angradizement so it certainly can’t be ruked out.
– That Holder lied through his teeth is patently obvious. Jug ears would not have needed to use EP if the whole thing wasn’t a cover-up.
– But we still don’t know the whys of F&F I don’t believe.
just throwing them out
U.S. and Algeria Discuss Ousting Mali Militants
ps epa has “halted” release from coal cellar
Just looked and see Sandy’s centerline track (based on the 3hrly position reports) cut within 3.33 mi. of my old home in South Jersey. I shudder to contemplate the windblown tree and house damages around there.
– The days revelation that the lebor department is conditioning the pub;ic to the possibility of no jobs numbers release prior to the election shows the Bumblefuck troika is going to jerk every lever of power it can to drag his ass over the finish line.
– They reported earlier sdferr that large sections of the AC boardwalk were torn loose and blasting through garage doors 6 blocks inland.
The soils under the ol’ homestead and environs are fairly high in sand content,very low in clay (and this is only about 5.5 mi from the Delaware river) yet the local trees are huge. As I think of them, they seem to me to be eminently ripe for toppling right along with their root systems. We’ll see though — fingers crossed.
The changing of election rules by fiat has already started.
http://tinyurl.com/8fe6b7g
“On Sunday, Malloy signed Executive Order 21 which extended the in-person
voter registration deadline in Connecticut to Thursday, November 1, at 8
p.m. The deadline had been Tuesday, October 30.”
– I’ve been interested in the disconnect between “track projections” and the radar/satellite images almost all the way through this storm.
– Right now the radar shows the epi-center alreafy accumulating over Western Penn, whereas the track shows that position much later tom. @ 1pm. The storm is tending much farther West than the tracks, and they keep revising them in an awkward way.
– Also, at least from the radar, it looks like NY is not going to sustain as much damage as was feared, mainly at this point from the surge and high tide peak, but this storm is so defuse and large its hard to tell.
– There is some chance it will disapate quickly from here. The NWS has issued the last advisory for Sandy, which seems odd.
Bruce Springsteen – 4TH OF JULY ASBURY PARK (SANDY) 1973 – audio
which seems odd.
good and evil you decide(time sensitive)
link
– Looks like the bottopped out unless the storm reorganizes. Sustained winds are widely being reported in the low 30’s from all over now.
– The track vesus radatr is even more confusing. The local weather guy started out with the epi-center being shown over Western Penn only to end his report saying theie computer “projections” for tomorrow show the eye over Wash. DC. WTF?
– Drudge has completely dropped the tracl link. Wasn’t making any sense.
The governor returns backstage and he is smiling and shaking hands, taking congratulations from everybody around him. He’s saying how great it was. Somebody yells out he’s going to win Colorado and the governor laughs and says he thinks so too. And then something very interesting happens. He moves away from the group of people just a bit. Maybe ten or fifteen feet or so. Just enough to have a little space to himself. And enough people notice that the area gets a lot more quiet, and they are trying to watch the governor without looking like they are watching the governor. They can all kind of tell something is happening right then. It was described as something very peaceful and powerful that came over that backstage area for a moment. And the governor, he lowers his head and his eyes shut tight and you could see him take a slow deep breath and then he lets it out and says quietly, but just loud enough for some to hear, “Lord, if this is your will, please help to make me worthy. Please give me the strength Lord.” And then his eyes open up, and he’s back to smiling and laughing and shaking hands and being the candidate once again.
link
Axelrod: “A bad jobs report isn’t going to save Romney.”
God: “Sandy isn’t going to save Obama.”
bruce 1973: baracky now
– In various comment sections people are bitching that the whole “Superstorm of the century” was Uber over-hyped.
Does that mean we can get back to kicking Obama’s ass without having to worry about appearing insensitive?
– Hopefully after Nov. 6th we wom’t have Jug ears to kick around anymore.
– If Obama does end up losing I don’t think it will be the economy, F&F, Benghazi, or his record that does him in. I think it will be because of one factor only.
– Madonna threatened to take it all off if he wins.
* rim shot *
– Hmmmm…..interesting. The HuffPoop server is down.
– House armed services committee chair not a happy camper……
“Your … directive would appear to involve potential actions by the U.S. military … There appears to be a discrepancy between your directive and the actions taken by the Department of Defense. As we are painfully aware, despite the fact that the military had resources in the area, the military did not deploy any assets to secure U.S. personnel in Benghazi during the hours the consulate and the annex were under attack … I find it implausible that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the commander of U.S. Africa Command and the commander of U.S. European Command would have ignored a direct order from the commander in chief.”
Uh oh, you kids finally woke up great grandpa, there is going to be hell to pay now!
1933.
Yes. My rants about the left not being a valid ideology but rather a mass PD pertain to this. The deceit, the stealing, the entitlement, the pathology — it’s all there.
Leftism is a clear disorder. Treat it like one.
Leftism — in America particularly, I think — is about overruling The Rules™ in favor of giving Me® what I Want™.
From what I’ve perused in this thread I can see that being consistent with NPD but I’ll defer to those with more knowledge of the matter.
One of the reasons the predictions were so far off is that the hurricane sped up quite a bit toward the end.
In general, predicting the track of hurricanes is a highly tricky business that not even trained professionals can do accurately. Some prediction is better than no prediction, though. We knew last
FridayThursday that it was headed for just about where it wound up making landfall. Which could be coincidence to some extent.Anyway, Sandy doubled in ground speed between midday Sunday and midday Tuesday. So that screwed up the prediction times, but the storm track followed the predicted track fairly well I believe.
He’d “remember” the past so differently from you that you’d wonder if you were going insane: he’d deny saying or doing [x] when he totally did, even if it was just a few minutes ago, and you realize that he isn’t lying to you so much as he’s completely out of touch with reality: the version he insists on is the only one he will/can live with.
This makes sense. After I had the baby in the car, whenever someone would ask him what happened that night he could never recall it. It’s like he blacked out. And it wasn’t because he was being a squeamish man-boy who didn’t want to remember me giving birth by the side of the road — I think it was because he forced me there.
I wondered if he was psychotic. But he holds down a job as a government engineer, and is remarried and everything.
I still just call him a crazy asshole – i can’t begin to break down which disorder he might have!
Also: he was a Ron Paul supporter. I don’t know if that adds anything to the crazy. ? heh
don’t know if it’s PD or just being a plain old abusive asshole. My ex made me give birth to our last kid in the front seat of my car because he was pissed off at me and didn’t want to take me to the hospital.
How does this happen?
Men that behave the way your ex did, missfixit, have me wanting to undo them somehow.
Which is illegal, of course, but still. I’ve somehow run into a few notorious woman-beaters in my life, and the one thing they have in common is an uncanny ability to find victims that seem to need them.
Not saying that was you. I think that refers to the one he found next.
I almost went on a date with one who was thinking about escaping the clutches of a beater, which probably would have been a mistake. She was really, really attractive and quite nice, but the fact that she put up with it past the first hit is a little off-putting, in hindsight. The guy, by the way, was someone I knew of from high school, and I think most of his friends knew. I have Facebook friends who are Facebook friends of his.
I wonder if they know. I wonder if he still hits his women.
Another beater that I know wound up being a judge in family court in my hometown. Yeah: it’s fucking twisted. Fortunately he did something stupid and wound up being impeached and (I had thought) disbarred, but he is back to practicing law again. How he continues to find customers for his law firm is a mystery to me. Again, in his case: everyone knew.
Why these subhumans are not pariah is a source of constant wonder to me.
Oh, here‘s the latter fellow. You can tell he did something not-good.
I had a family law attorney once who was an admitted (and evident) PD. Sick fuck actually cost my daughter joint custody for nine months until I fired him, won the case pro per, and stiffed him what was left of the bill. In court the judge said I had grounds to sue the other party.
Yeah it’s twisted.
Oh, cool:
Not entered into evidence: that Judge Pfaff had offered to bribe the occupants (who were by the way underage) with a case of beer for not telling on him.
Interestingly, all of this is contained in a non-searchable PDF, which means that this finding is pretty much invisible to Google. Which makes me think: lawyers covering for each other.
I don’t know why they aren’t pariahs either, but my guess is because they are slick in public. They have charisma (when they want to use it). You walk away thinking “my what a great guy” – and any charges that he’s a wife beater make you incredulous.
At least that’s what I’ve witnessed. My ex and I sat in church on Sundays and I promise you nobody would have believed it.
Car – that’s simple. You go into labor; he ignores your pleas to go to the hospital until it is way too late. You give birth wherever you are. Teh End.. I have sanitized this story for other people, and just told them “I have fast labors” — which isn’t a lie really. It’s just leaving out some important details.
dicentra says October 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm
JHoward says October 30, 2012 at 5:52 am
Tammy Bruce likes to talk about the Malignant Narcissism of the Left. When I read it, I thought she was pushing the ideology as pathology analogy a little too hard. Now I’m not so sure.
As to all the personal experiences being shared, all I can say is I’m glad I grew up boringly normal in an unremarkable two-parent household and had the great good fortune to meet, fall in love with and marry a woman who did likewise.
Seems like the odds of that are longer than hitting the powerball for some reason.
I actually had tocopy that paragraph out, because of the PDF’s non-searchable and -copypasta -ness.
Earlier this year I commented here about the Paul convention in Tampa. Considering it was 10,000 strong, it was the most remarkable, most surprisingly moral, and most civilly-unified thing I’ve ever experienced.
The most personally influential, most enlightened and most spiritual small group I’ve ever known are all steadfast liberty types and Paul supporters. With one exception, the most functional members of my family support Paul. Now 22, my daughter does too.
Of them I’m the doubter, but I have yet to fault any of their reasoning, including all but one speaker at that convention. Frankly, the experience blew me away.
For whatever it is Paul says off camera that indicts him personally, nothing I’ve seen from the movement proper does. It’s time to remember the failure Republicanism is and reconsider the liberty movement. If a splinter wants to smoke dope and drink warm milk, that faction isn’t figuring how to ‘balance’ two hundred and fifty trillion dollars in social programs.
You know; ‘fixing Medicare’, et al, all Mikey Medved-like.
I’m sure that Paul’s supporters are on average well-adjusted human beings. That being said, Paul seems to attract the fringe crazies in larger numbers. Or he inspires them to speak out more loudly and frequently. I have Facebook friends who would incessantly post “Only Ron Paul…” rants until I took their stuff out of my newsfeed.
Re: Ron Paul and my crazy ex — the thing that I heard him really “Resonate” with was the idea that we should pull away from the rest of the world and only concern ourselves with our own issues.
Not that this is a terribly crazy idea, it’s just that to someone with a narcissism problem, the whole “Fuck the rest of the world, it’s all about ME ME ME” is a very enticing political position.
Yesterday Medved was all isn’t TARP great, y’all? The most successful program in American history!
By that logic all we ever have to do is pass something to find out what’s under the hood. Call it success by federal trial and error.
Moron.
Seems like the odds of that are longer than hitting the powerball for some reason
yes. you are incredibly lucky. I hope you have lots of children. Seriously. Maybe it will negate the messed up lives the rest of us have had some point in the future!
slart, misfixit, freedom tends to resemble individuality. That individuals populate a ideology where distance is your cherished condition because it’s your right, I don’t really see the problem. Let ’em ride their panheads naked* for all I care.
And I’d especially take distance from nearly everything beyond our borders. As a second line in the sand, missile shield works okay. You already know the first.
*except for the gunbelts.
It’s not the naked guy on the panhead that annoys me, it’s the dozens of visually identical naked guys on identical panheads that do it.
Many of the Paulbots I have encountered are ruggedly individual mirror images of each other.
I was playing to convention, slart. What I saw in Tampa says you have exactly nothing to worry about. It was the height of political gentility. Really.
I do know one other Paulbot who is not crazy — he is very nice. Extremely rugged person, lives outdoors, majorly into wildlife etc.
Didn’t mean to say they were all nuts.
I don’t know why they aren’t pariahs either, but my guess is because they are slick in public.
That’s part of it. They’re extremely good at being normal everywhere but home.
We also have a tendency to write off people like that as mere jerks, failing to recognize that there’s a deeper pathology behind it and that nothing you ever do can change them.
Teenagers are jerks, but they ususally grow out of it. People can behave like jerks on a bad day (or week, or month). We cut people slack because we figure they’re not like that all the time, or that someday they’ll wise up.
But narcissists are hardened in amber. They’re emotional chipper-shredders who consume those closest to them. They have zero insight into how they are the primary contributors to the chaos in their lives.
This guy, Sam Vaknin, is one of those rare narcissists who knows he’s a narcissist. It took landing in jail to make him wonder how he got there; but realizing that he had the personality disorder did nothing to fix it. He’s still NPD.
But with a book.
I’ve run into that before and because I type so poorly I print it out and then scan/OCR the printout to either a searchable pdf or a wordpad rtf to then copy-paste from.
Really – the only important thing I need to learn regarding ppl with personality disorders is: how do I avoid them?
I seem to attract them without doing anything. For instance, on my blog, I have one male reader who stalks me and sends me huge emails (16 paragraphs long) detailing how he would have built all of my projects better. He doesn’t know me from Adam. He has latched onto me and feels the need to “instruct” me on everything under the sun, even though I have not asked for his help and I ignore him. He has a very creepy manner in the way he talks to me, like he’s superior…and also totally oblivious to how he comes off…
(My blog is really just pictures of my carpentry and other various things I’m building)
It’s gotten to the point where I everytime I post my work I know I will get a rambling email dissecting every detail…thank God that guy does not live on my side of the country :(
He’s good. He’s also keyed into the abyss inside the NPD as opposed to the spoiled child model.
It’s that emptiness that I think a normal person would want to be empathetic to, notwithstanding the radiation hazard of destruction and pathology in the NPD’s behavior.
Or, maybe just in the milder cases. It’s a hard problem.
It’s that emptiness that I think a normal person would want to be empathetic to
Yes. Every time you see a narcissist, you see someone who has been horribly devalued or otherwise subjected to serious trauma, upheaval, or chaos. It breaks the heart to think how awful they must have felt to build such an impenetrable defense.
On the other hand, once the PD has crystallized (late adolescence), they’re in no pain. They just inflict it on others to such an extent that it’s hard to care anymore.
as opposed to the spoiled child model.
Spoiled children can be made to grow the hell up, if smacked upside the head sufficiently. They’ve never experienced hardship and so are merely unsocialized. There’s no defense mechanism to protect them from reality: just their idiot parents.
He has a very creepy manner in the way he talks to me, like he’s superior…and also totally oblivious to how he comes off…
Cerebral narcissist. Lucky you.
What you really don’t want to attract is a Paranoid Personality Disorder. (The “paranoid” is a bit of a misnomer because it sounds too much like paranoid schizophrenia, with the tin-foil hats and fear of the CIA transmitting messages to you on cereal boxes.)
PPDs were raised in an extremely combative environment and are therefore always on the lookout for people with ulterior motives. They completely freak out when slighted, overreacting past the point of all sanity. They’re the people who file serial lawsuits against all and sundry, or who go out of their way to destroy you because you publicly shamed them. They don’t see it as malice on their part but as a necessary means to self-preservation. They babble on about “protecting themselves” as they lay Google bombs like land mines in other people’s blogs.
Yup. Sure don’t want to attract the attention of one of them.
Di – I have met a PPD. She was fired from her job as a IRS agent. She spends all of her time online, stalking people she thinks may have done her wrong, and leaving threatening messages everywhere she goes.
Everything she says is peppered with “protecting herself” and “everyone is out to get me” etc. She destroys her friends systematically because at some point, they always “betray” her…she will try to get people fired from their jobs, she’ll hunt them online for years, do background checks on people and then post the information on her blog … total nutbag.
I’m getting pretty good at recognizing red flags. So there’s that.
It’s your fault the blockquote didn’t work right, you know.
She destroys her friends systematically because at some point, they always “betray” her.
Definitely PPD. Look into her past and you’ll find that her parents fought like cats and dogs, using the kids as pawns in their war games.
So many deeply damaged people in the world. Is it any wonder human society is so effed up?
It’s your fault the blockquote didn’t work right, you know.
My HTML-fu is THAT good.
Now I must destroy you —like Dolph Lundgren destroyed Carl Weathers.
For sacred honor or something
There are plenty of Paul supporters that are of sound mind, and given the right circumstances, I could be one of them, assuming I could overlook some of his foreign policy prescriptions. But there is another strain, and there are many of them, that are bugfuck nuts. Branch Paulinians, as Wilkow calls them. Rabid, conspiratorial, insular and impervious to reason. Lots of truthers among them. You agree completely with them or you’re an enemy of America. And by that metric, Rand Paul is such an enemy. They know The Truth That Is Ron Paul much better than even his own son does, that traitorous bastard.
She destroys her friends systematically because at some point, they always “betray” her…
May I suggest we all chip in and buy this poster for her?
I had the exact same thought.
STOP READING MY MIND!