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Behold the strength of Obama! Sudan won’t allow Marines to protect embassy [Darleen Click]

The One’s messiahness is just not having the pull as advertised

Sudan won’t allow the United States to send a platoon of Marines to protect its embassy from rioting Muslims.

According to a report released by the SUNA state news agency, the country’s government formally rejected the request Saturday. The news agency quoted Sudan’s Foreign Minister, Ali Ahmed Karti, as saying, “Sudan is able to protect the diplomatic missions in Khartoum and the state is committed to protecting its guests in the diplomatic corps.”

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland confirmed Saturday in a terse statement that the Sudanese government had “recommitted itself both publicly and privately to continue to protect our Mission, as it is obligated to do under the Vienna Convention. We are continuing to monitor the situation closely to ensure we have what we need to protect our people and facility.”

The U.S. decided Friday to send in a group of 50 Marines after rioting Muslim breached security at the embassy in Khartoum and entered the compound, which is located outside the city. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a Washington official said the Marines were already on their way to Khartoum when word was received the request was rejected. They were called back, pending further discussions.

The only acceptable “further discussion” is to evacuate all embassy personnel, then raze the compound to the ground and salt the earth it stood on.

Let’s get this straight, I’m f**king tired of listening to whiney-ass Progressives wanting The World™ to “love us.” I want the barbarians to fear us. Nothing less.

125 Replies to “Behold the strength of Obama! Sudan won’t allow Marines to protect embassy [Darleen Click]”

  1. BigBangHunter says:

    – In the ME its strong horse, weak horse, and right now we don’t even have a horse.

  2. newrouter says:

    we got the horse’s ass at the white house

  3. Mike LaRoche says:

    Perhaps our next ambassador to Sudan should be a cruise missile.

  4. BigBangHunter says:

    – Theres a big kerfluffle starting here in San Diego swriling around the flight training of foreign nationals. The FAA and Homeland Defense people are putting a lid on all press inquiries.

    – You might remember that some of the 9/11 terrorists recieved training here, and it appears not a damn thing has changed since then.

    – Of course the most ‘transparent administration EVAH’ is going into silent mode.

  5. George Orwell says:

    What’s the surprise? It’s not like Sudan is dealing with a superpower, after all.

  6. BigBangHunter says:

    – BTW, none of the local station news casts are mentioning Assholes latest epic fail.

  7. George Orwell says:

    The only thing lacking is Obama eating cheese. He has the surrender monkey bit down pat.

  8. happyfeet says:

    we should give them more money

  9. Mike LaRoche says:

    That’s why John Kerry is next-in-line to be Secretary of State. He’ll bring the cheese and the whine.

  10. Pablo says:

    Apparently, this is an oldie, but it’s new to me.

    Think Timmmaaaah! It really seems relevant here.

  11. Pablo says:

    Perhaps our next ambassador to Sudan should be a cruise missile.

    Seconded.

  12. leigh says:

    BBH, we’ve been training foreign nationals since the husband was a flight instructor back in the late 70s. He had to train a boatload of Persians, oddly, just prior to the overthrow of the Shah.

    Personally, I say they want to learn to fly? Learn from the Japanese since they both have the Banzai! part down pat.

  13. leigh says:

    Heh. Pablo, that’s awesome.

  14. Squid says:

    Can’t we keep nukes in our embassies? Just a little one, in the basement? Say it’s a backup electrical generator. Make a big show of evacuating the staff, and project a countdown timer on to the side of an adjacent building.

    Seriously, Hillary. Time to quit fucking around.

  15. deadrody says:

    I’m confused. Why on earth do we need to “request” to station Marines at our embassy ? The US embassy is sovereign US territory and we’ll do whatever the fuck we want there, including stationing marines.

  16. newrouter says:

    Why on earth do we need to “request” to station Marines at our embassy ?

    to obtain entry into this particular islamic hellhole?

  17. geoffb says:

    Declare all 50 and their equipment as a diplomatic pouch.

  18. palaeomerus says:

    Obama is very strong if ignorance is strength.

  19. leigh says:

    Today’s Intelligence Briefing has been cancelled due to lack of interest and aptitude.

  20. newrouter says:

    Declare all 50 and their equipment as a diplomatic pouch.

    they’ll ship us jihadis in a pouch

  21. palaeomerus says:

    Well the cakewalk is over. Just what kind of cake have we won?

  22. Blake says:

    This guy suggests we nuke Benghazi after giving a 1 week warning.

    http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2012/09/sequels.html

    Hard to disagree.

  23. newrouter says:

    Today’s Intelligence Briefing has been cancelled due to lack of interest and aptitude.

    next week there’s an audience

    Romney, Ryan to get intelligence briefings

  24. leigh says:

    Thank goodness for that, nr. I can’t tell you how much I’m looking forward to Romney and Ryan debating those to gibrones.

    Romney calling The Wonce a liar, well he said he has trouble with the truth, on Little Georgie S’s show this week was awesome.

  25. leigh says:

    two not to

  26. Blake says:

    that’s some good stuff, there, leigh. lack of interest and aptitude..snort…chuckle

  27. B Moe says:

    Today’s Intelligence Briefing has been cancelled due to lack of interest and aptitude.

    I thought they just couldn’t find any.

  28. leigh says:

    Some information from an insider regarding deployment of Marines as guards for deadrody and others.

  29. leigh says:

    Not that they will be guarding deadroddy. You know what I mean.

  30. BigBangHunter says:

    – ‘Guarding’ is where you don’t have any ammo, but if you’re lucky you won’t get shot, and they let you stand and watch while they ransack the embassy and burn the American flag.

    – On Obama world this is known as “standing watch”.

  31. Pablo says:

    State Department officials, though, declined on Saturday to say whether Sudan had rejected the Marine presence.

    Because shut up.

  32. BigBangHunter says:

    – “Some Americans are dead…..round up the usual suspects!

    – Its like the day his browness was elected we all fell down a rabbit hole.

  33. BigBangHunter says:

    – Yeh, well that was Obamaspeak. The Sudan didn’t object to the Marine presense, they said flat out NO to the Marines arrivance.

    – See how it works with the Left. Anything and everything can be spun.

  34. leigh says:

    Netanyahu is going to be on “Meet the Press” tomorrow.

    I hope he has some choice words for the Wonce and his muzzie buddies.

  35. Mike LaRoche says:

    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Barack Obama

    I wonder how long it will be before Rick Moran condemns Glenn Reynolds for his unhelpful visigothery.

  36. BigBangHunter says:

    – He already had some choice words Leigh. He said today on American TV that some of the things being said to try to put a happy face on the Iranian “Unbelievably hostle aggression” shows a “new level of human stupidity”. He’s really pissed.

    – He was looking at YOU Bummblefuck.

  37. BigBangHunter says:

    – Don’t get your hopes up that this means Jug Ears is growing a pair. I’d say its more likely Britain moved in a responsible non-Obama way to protect its consulates and personel, and shamed Bummblefuck into grudgingly following up.

  38. BigBangHunter says:

    Link.

  39. palaeomerus says:

    It sucks when I’m looking for the Israeli head of state to show OUR head of state how to be sane, effective, and responsible.

  40. leigh says:

    He’s really pissed.

    Well, who can blame him? Obama’s done everything but go on teevee and call Isreal a bunch of hebes who don’t know their place.

    FOAD, Obama.

  41. palaeomerus says:

    ” I wonder how long it will be before Rick Moran condemns Glenn Reynolds for his unhelpful visigothery.”

    I think Glenn is a little bigger than Rick Moran can hope to bring down. I suspect PJ would MUCH rather have Instapundit around than American Thinker if it came down to choosing.

  42. leigh says:

    Rick Moran looks like he’s about twelve and wearing his older brother’s suit.

  43. sdferr says:

    If Obama were to die, or any successor in the line, would the nation be any worse off? Every goddamn one of them is an embarrassment to posterity.

    1 Vice President of the United States Joe Biden (D)
    2 Speaker of the House John Boehner (R)
    3 President pro tempore of the Senate Daniel Inouye (D)
    4 Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton (D)
    5 Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner (I)[3]
    6 Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta (D)
    7 Attorney General Eric Holder (D)
    8 Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar (D)
    9 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack (D)
    10 Acting Secretary of Commerce Rebecca Blank (D)
    11 Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis (D)
    12 Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius (D)
    13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan (D)
    14 Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood (R)
    15 Secretary of Energy Steven Chu (D)
    16 Secretary of Education Arne Duncan (D)
    17 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki*
    18 Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano (D)

  44. BT says:

    I’m really not sure what Netanyahu’s hurry is.

  45. BigBangHunter says:

    Ryan pins the tail on the Jug Eared donkey:


    “American foreign policy needs moral clarity and firmness of purpose,” Mr. Ryan said early on in his speech. “That is how we keep problems abroad from becoming crises. That is what keeps the peace.”…..

    ……“President Obama likes to say, ‘We’re all in this together,’ Mr. Ryan said. “Yet how hollow it sounds coming from a politician who has never once lifted a hand to defend the most helpless and innocent of all human beings, the child waiting to be born.”

  46. leigh says:

    Ya know, it really frosts me that the presstitutes and of course Himself, constantly refer to his Wonceness as “the CiC”. Technically, that is true. I, however am a civilian.

    Command this.

  47. leigh says:

    sdferr I wouldn’t miss a one of them.

  48. B Moe says:

    ……“President Obama likes to say, ‘We’re all in this together,’ Mr. Ryan said. “Yet how hollow it sounds coming from a politician who has never once lifted a hand to defend the most helpless and innocent of all human beings, the child waiting to be born.”

    Jesus Fucking Christ.

  49. geoffb says:

    Al-Qaeda says Obama lies.

  50. mojo says:

    Yep. Pull ’em out. We’ve got nothing to discuss anyway.

  51. BigBangHunter says:

    Al-Qaeda says Obama lies.

    – ZOMG….say it isn’t so!

  52. BigBangHunter says:

    – So now the WH has become the mouthpiece for Muslims. I expect any day now the Left will start to uncontrollably speak in tongues.

    – It had to be about some obscure movie (as opposed to one of their own contributors movies) because it just can’t be allowed that Ass wipe got good and properly punked.

  53. BigBangHunter says:

    – Netanyahu: A New Standard For Human Stupidity.

  54. newrouter says:

    Some Iran Containment Supporters ‘Set A New Standard For Human Stupidity’

    24/7/365 projection propaganda

  55. B Moe says:

    A link in the comments at GeoffB’s link
    http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E8KCMYB20120912?sp=true

    Sounds even more fucked up that you can imagine over there.

  56. B Moe says:

    Netanyahu: A New Standard For Human Stupidity.

    Read the comments in that link BBH and you will note that Bibi sadly underestimates the limits of human stupidity.

  57. palaeomerus says:

    Our press doesn’t want us to know about it because we might blame Obama for it.

    Our executive branch has no idea how to handle it because they STILL think its impossible.

    We are seriously compromised here. We have been betrayed and kept in the dark by the Keystone cops and now they’ve written a check they can’t cash. We now have magic money and no one else in the world will believe in it. This is the worst point this country has been in my lifetime. The Boomers don’t have any fucking idea what they are ding and their bluff just caved in. They are arresting a scape goat for making a movie to appease sadistic people who want us to dance for them before they shoot us. Our semi-exhausted military is about to be massively defunded to pay down social security overages.

    What now ? What do we do now?

  58. leigh says:

    Secede.

  59. BigBangHunter says:

    What now ? What do we do now?

    – If this shit keeps up it will all be taken care of in November. Theres no way even the sociopathic Left can keep that many balls in the air.

  60. sdferr says:

    Also at geoffb’s link: “Having been told to expect 10 Americans and having found 37, Obeidi did not have enough vehicles to break out, despite having one heavy anti-aircraft gun mounted on a pickup truck.”

    Have we heard the first eyewitness testimony from a single one of these evacuees?

  61. newrouter says:

    hey chicago “teacher” strike? this horse’s ass is leading the charge

    From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
    [Obama and Ayers] AP

    Bill Ayers.

    The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama’s first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers’s home.

    link

  62. B Moe says:

    Have we heard the first eyewitness testimony from a single one of these evacuees?

    Too bad none of them were wearing hoodies.

  63. BigBangHunter says:

    – The Reuters live feed from Cairo has been down for more than a day now.

    – Either everyone has fled the city, or the hand of the admin is at work again.

  64. EBL says:

    http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-amendment-is-about-freedom-to.html These Iowahawk tweets, if paintings, would be Norman Rockwells. BTW Monday is Constitution Day

    One good point I saw made. If the middle east is seeing pictures of cops searching and rounding up blasphemers in the USA, won’t they think that it is okay to do so? And won’t that encourage more of this crap in the future?

    Hope and Change!

  65. Darleen says:

    b moe

    Ryan is an observant Catholic who was also speaking at the Values Voter Summit.

    I don’t know why what he said should be such a surprise.

    In fact, I don’t think Ryan went far enough, seeing as Obama actually voted against any restraint on terminating the life of a baby born alive during an abortion.

  66. BigBangHunter says:

    – The only flag the Left and their dear leader will ever take an oath to, and mean it, is the white flag of appeasement and surrender. Its the sheik, elitist, France’ way!

  67. B Moe says:

    Yeah, Darleen, because folks opposed to abortion are probably still pretty unsure of who they are going to vote for. The Rs should make sure they work it in to every discussion they have, no matter the topic.

    Foreign policy, the budget, everything revolves around fucking abortion.

  68. geoffb says:

    Obama’s Elian moment.

  69. McGehee says:

    The Rs should make sure they work it in to every discussion they have, no matter the topic.

    B Moe, what part of “speaking at the Value Voters Summit” didn’t you grasp?

    Eat a cookie, for God’s sake.

  70. geoffb says:

    Roger Kimball, “The Picture That Should Cost Obama His Job.”

    Libertarians and moderates have finally found a reason to totally reject Obama. About time.

  71. Pablo says:

    Never, ever, ever, ever mention abortion. Unless you’re a Democrat.

  72. Pablo says:

    Susan Rice on Benghazi: “We obviously did have a strong security presence…”

  73. B Moe says:

    It is amazing how the Republicans never miss an oppurtunity to fuck up.

    Elian was abducted and deported by Federal troops for baseless reasons.

    The sleazebag film maker went volunrily with County cops to answer questions about real probation violations, then was released.

    It makes good imagery, but its total bullshit.

    How about we focus on the real criminal negligence and idiocy the Obama administration has commited, rather than stoop the the lefts propoganda techniques?

    It wasn’t about a youtube video, the quicker we get that message out, the quicker we can start trying to prevent WWIII.

  74. geoffb says:

    She has a rather expansive use of the terms “We” and “strong” it would seem from B Moe’s 10:00pm link.

  75. Pablo says:

    Elian was abducted and deported by Federal troops for baseless reasons.

    Elian was taken and returned to his father, his legal custodian. If you do here what his mother did with him, we call it parental kidnapping.

    Elian was not deported. His father took him home.

  76. Pablo says:

    It wasn’t about a youtube video, the quicker we get that message out, the quicker we can start trying to prevent WWIII.

    Rice is still insisting that it is. It doesn’t even pass the smell test. Ridiculous.

  77. McGehee says:

    The sleazebag film maker went volunrily with County cops to answer questions

    I’m not sure how “voluntary” it is when they pound on your door after midnight.

    If cops just want to ask me questions they can damn well wait until morning and I’ll tell them so. If I’d be coming “voluntarily” they’ll just have to go away when I shut the door in their faces.

    Riiiiiiiiiiight.

  78. McGehee says:

    When John Adams wanted to criminalize dissent he at least went through Congress.

    Obama has implemented his own Sedition Act by executive order.

  79. B Moe says:

    The story I heard is they called the dude first, and that is when he agreed to come in.

    If you had the media swarming you, and have the country ready to string you up, you might prefer to move in the middle of the night also.

  80. B Moe says:

    Rice is still insisting that it is. It doesn’t even pass the smell test. Ridiculous.

    And that is what the Rs should be hammering. This is about profound stupidity and incompetence by the Obama team. Beat them over the head with it relentlessly.

    Don’t help them hide behind a youtube video.

  81. B Moe says:

    That should be “half the country ready to string you up” at 7:45

  82. Pablo says:

    They talked to Nakoula for 90 minutes and then dropped him off at an undisclosed location. He had asked for a police presence due to his newfound fame and the media mob at his house. It seems they did him a favor by giving him a getaway opportunity.

    He’s not hiding his face from the cops.

  83. McGehee says:

    Don’t help them hide behind a youtube video.

    I’m not sure how the discussion here is helping them do anything of the kind.

  84. Pablo says:

    She has a rather expansive use of the terms “We” and “strong” it would seem from B Moe’s 10:00pm link.

    She has an “obviously” problem too.

  85. Pablo says:

    Rice: What happened in Benghazi was almost a copycat of what had happened in Cairo, inspired by the video. But we’ll have to wait for the FBI to tell us for sure what really happened.

    Jesus.

  86. B Moe says:

    I’m not sure how the discussion here is helping them do anything of the kind.

    I am not talking about the discussion here, I am talking about the dicussions we are discussing.

    Reynolds and PJ et al getting the vapors over some criminals First Amendment rights. What if it turned out AQ hired those clowns to stir up the mob and create a smokescreen for the attack? You still think he shouldn’t be hassled by the man then?

    I support the First Amendment as much as anybody, and I don’t see anybody rights getting violated yet.

    I do see an incompetent idiot in the White House, a complicit media, and I ain’t hearing shit about it from Romney or Ryan.

  87. sdferr says:

    “I support the First Amendment as much as anybody, and I don’t see anybody rights getting violated yet.”

    Yet B Moe, who does want the Mohammed critic (or mocker if we prefer) to be silenced in the first place, and who reacts to those wishes in a pretense of compliance for their sakes?

    Who lays the blame for the riots and attacks on the video? Who knows it is not the video that’s the problem (but the existence of the largely Christian West that stands in their way)?

    And who in that largely Christian West is willing to undercut the principles that set the West apart from the East and tyrannous regions elsewhere?

  88. B Moe says:

    Look at it this way. Some Arabs make a quick, ham-fisted video mocking Mohammed, dub in in Arabic, and send a heads up to Al Jazeera just in time for it to set off mobs on 9/11.

    All the while AQ is planning an attack on 9/11.

    I think some investigation is waranted.

    I don’t think he should be jailed just for making a film, so far he hasn’t been.

    I don’t think the laws should be changed, and the left should be castigated for suggesting it.

  89. palaeomerus says:

    “Foreign policy, the budget, everything revolves around fucking abortion.”

    Yes. when the Republicans are at issues voter’s events begging for support they should not mention the issues of the supporters of the event. Not even if they are personally sympathetic to those issues. Strategy. Pragmatism. Democrats are everywhere!And besides we just need these issues voters votes. And we’re probably going to chuck them out of the GOP anyway.

  90. serr8d says:

    What if it turned out AQ hired those clowns to stir up the mob and create a smokescreen for the attack? You still think he shouldn’t be hassled by the man then?

    What if Van Jones hired him? The fellow did give $1M to Obama’s campaign.

  91. palaeomerus says:

    No, that was Bill Mahr.

  92. sdferr says:

    ” Some Arabs make a quick, ham-fisted video mocking Mohammed, dub in in Arabic, and send a heads up to Al Jazeera just in time for it to set off mobs on 9/11.”

    Are we conflating Coptic Christians with Arabs now? I mean, I can understand how a Coptic Christian can also be identified as an Arab if he happens to be an Arab, no problem, but it could be there are other Arabs in the picture you draw who are by no means Coptic Christians, but confessional Muslims. So in order to allay confusion, maybe we should sort these folk by their confessions in order to have a better picture of their motivations?

  93. B Moe says:

    Yes. when the Republicans are at issues voter’s events begging for support they should not mention the issues of the supporters of the event. Not even if they are personally sympathetic to those issues. Strategy. Pragmatism. Democrats are everywhere!And besides we just need these issues voters votes. And we’re probably going to chuck them out of the GOP anyway.

    What about those of us who don’t share that position? And are tired as hell as it being front and damn center of seemingly every public utterance of both parties as they demagogue it to death while the fucking country and the world goes up in smoke?

    How about stop pandering and tell those people that there are other “values” in the world that may be just a little bit more fucking important than abortion right now?

  94. B Moe says:

    The dudes involved were Arabs as I understand it. They say they are Christians, but so does Obama.

    Do you not think it bears looking into?

  95. sdferr says:

    “The dudes involved were Arabs as I understand it.”

    That’s not my understanding as to the fellow detained, though I’ve also read he claims to be only indirectly associated with the production. Maybe we two have different impressions of our sources then, and I happen not to have seen yours, and possibly, you mine. I’ll go look for a link.

  96. palaeomerus says:

    Arab is an ethnic background.

    There are (or were in the case of arab jews who were usually children of converted arabs) arab Christians, Arabs who follow Bahai, a few Zoroastrian arabs, arabs of various Christian Heresies, including some gnostics, and other religions. There are also atheist arabs many of whom were part of the big arab socialism movement.

    You can guess than an arab is muslim and be correct most of the time. BUT there are far more non arabic muslims than arabic ones. Indonesia is one of the the biggest populations of muslims in the world. A hell of a lot of them are in India. Persians make up a good chunk.

  97. palaeomerus says:

    “What about those of us who don’t share that position? ”

    Don’t go to those issues events. Hold your own issues events. Because WHAT ABOUT THOSE OF USE WHO DO SHARE THAT POSITION AND ARE SICK OF BEING IGNORED SHUNNED AND FUCKED OVER ?

  98. palaeomerus says:

    “How about stop pandering and tell those people that there are other “values” in the world that may be just a little bit more fucking important than abortion right now?”

    Because that’s essentially saying ” You should not vote for me. I’m not going to do anything for you. Your issues aren’t important to me and I only bother with important issues. Thanks you for your vote and donation anyway wuss.”

  99. sdferr says:

    B Moe, here’s where I took initial information on the video, adding to it as new facts came to light (as for instance, that “Sam Basile” is a pseudonym, is not a Jew as portrayed in some early accounts, is most likely actually named Nakoula, etc.) .

    Sam Bacile, an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film said he had not anticipated such a furious reaction.

    Speaking from a telephone with a California number, he said the film was produced in English and he doesn’t know who dubbed it in Arabic.

    “The main problem is I am the first one to put on the screen someone who is (portraying) Muhammad. It makes them mad,” he said in an interview in a telephone number in California. “But we have to open the door. After 9/11 everybody should be in front of the judge, even Jesus, even Muhammad.”

    He said many of the film’s cast quit half way through the production, which he started “three or four” years ago, because they were afraid of Muslims.

    He said the film also addresses the persecution of Copts in Egypt and blames the U.S. and its allies for fighting Muslims. “The U.S. should fight the ideology, not the people.”

    Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-born Christian in the U.S. known for his anti-Islam views, told The Associated Press from Washington that he was promoting the video on his website and on certain TV stations, which he did not identify.

    He said the video “explains the problems of the Copts who suffer from Muslims,” which he blamed on the Koran itself.

  100. Darleen says:

    B Moe

    A guy on probation has no choice in coming in when his PO calls.

    Either you come in “voluntarily” or you come in via the backseat of a cop car in metal bracelets.

  101. EBL says:

    Female Mutant Ninja Persians! Oh my! Fortunately there is a counter force.

  102. Darleen says:

    What about those of us who don’t share that position?

    What about it? Did the issue come up at all at the RNC or was it the DNC that went into Abortionpaloza with every speaker? Who has pursued the #WarOnWomen meme and trotted out Sandra Fluke as a real life Julia?

    If a candidate is in front of an “X” issues group, I see no problem with them talking about “X” instead of “Y”, regardless if I share completely their view.

  103. sdferr says:

    “his head wrapped in a towel”

    Could be a source of confusion I guess. But then, I’m a straight up racist — so they tell me — so who’s surprised?

  104. leigh says:

    The video in question has been on YouTube since January.

    All of a sudden, someone took notice and it enraged an entire hemisphere? Ooookay, then.

  105. Pablo says:

    Ryan certainly discussed more than the unborn.

  106. B Moe says:

    There are indeed a lot of questions, sdferr. I don’t blame any one for wanting answers is all I am saying. There was nothing illegal or nefarious in questioning the dude, is all I am saying.

    The fact that he is a convicted felon of probation just made it easier.

  107. B Moe says:

    When there is a danger of the anti-abortion caucus being ignored by the Rs let me know, paleo and I’ll be the first to speak up for you.

    I am sorry I went over the top like that, but I am really tired of hearing about it just now.

  108. serr8d says:

    “The U.S. should fight the ideology, not the people.”

    Nakloula damn sure nailed it. Islam is either going to reform (as did the Christian religion, centuries ago) to ensure the rest of the world’s people that it can’t so easily be used to steer stupids to violence, or else they will win. Without reform, Islam may eventually rule the world. Because many of the rest of us more tolerant humans just can’t get past our tolerance of the wrongest of ‘religions’.

  109. sdferr says:

    “wanting answers”

    Depends on the question.

    Is there no question whether Nakoula’s conviction for bank fraud or his Coptic Christian confession — one or the other — is a more salient issue as regards the slaughter of Coptic Christians portrayed at the beginning of the video? Which video, of course, goes on to heap mockery, ridicule and slanderous accusations upon GeorgeMuhammedMohammedMuhammadMohammadGeorge in the eyes of Muslims? Kind of a stupid thing for a minority party to do, to be sure.

    Egypt is a nation of roughly 82 million peoples — of which the Copts compose between 10 and 20 %, depending on the statistical sources — nearly all the people jammed in close together on a relatively narrow strip of land surrounding the Nile, thanks to the inhospitable enveloping deserts. Murder, property destruction, Sanctuary defilement and second class legal status is their lot in life in Egypt, these Copts, and if the state authorities merely stand by to watch or occasionally join in with the persecutions, who would blame the Copts for bellowing? Yet who complain if not the Copts themselves?

  110. B Moe says:

    I understand and am sympathetic with the Copts plight. I just don’t see the outrage over questioning the dude. It seems perfectly logical to me.

  111. sdferr says:

    Whether it’s logical to you or whether it’s not to someone else B Moe, it seems to me that the more important questions clustering around the attacks on US and other interests (German embassy, for instance) stand in need of better address. The Obama administration would have us focus on the video as the cause of the crisis, and with it ancillary issues to do with the producer(s) of the video. Of course, I think this is intentionally misleading.

    The more important issues are to do with the political stance of the United States — we even support freedom of speech, and especially political speech! or at least, we used to — over against the stance of Islamists or nascent Islamist governments who do not support the freedom of speech, and least of all political speech!

    But then, the US was at one time at war against these Islamists, whereas now it seems, it is not. We would be their pals. If not simply their slaves.

  112. B Moe says:

    Whether it’s logical to you or whether it’s not to someone else B Moe, it seems to me that the more important questions clustering around the attacks on US and other interests (German embassy, for instance) stand in need of better address. The Obama administration would have us focus on the video as the cause of the crisis, and with it ancillary issues to do with the producer(s) of the video. Of course, I think this is intentionally misleading.

    I agree. My point is my over-reacting to the questioning and going full nuclear over imagined First Amendment violations only helps Obamas distractions.

    If a strawman is intended as a distraction, best to ignore it, rather than pile up more straw and set it ablaze.

  113. B Moe says:

    “My point is that over reacting…”

    Dammit I can’t type today.

  114. B Moe says:

    lol. I give up.

  115. sdferr says:

    We have two different parties against which we struggle to keep our First Amendment rights — or nevermind the First Amendment, but proceed even as far back as the Declaration and our natural rights as such, which both Obama on the one hand for one set of reasons and the Islamists on the other hand for another set of reasons deny us. If the maintenance of those rights, of those founding principles — which, to us, come before every political act we take, and without which all our political judgments are undone — are not the place we should seat our emphasis in any political controversy, then I’ve no idea what we’re doing in the conversation at all.

    The political fight isn’t over “imagined” violations, but is primarily over the question whether those first things, those principles, will be preserved at all.

  116. B Moe says:

    When Glen Reynolds and most of the right wing blogs goes off about people getting arrested by brown shirts in the middle of the night, then yes it is imagined. That isn’t what is happened and it only makes our side look like hysterical fools when we act like, well, hysterical fools.

    See also: boys who cry wolf.

  117. sdferr says:

    Well, you don’t have to take me for Glenn Reynolds, nor for someone wedded to his idiosyncratic concerns, but instead can take me for what I’ve stated here.

    I think, if it makes the appearances of the “arrest” any simpler to understand from my point of view, you can put me down as holding for the proposition that the images of that “arrest” were indeed what was wanted, and that those who wanted those images like them very much now that they have them to hand. That further, the ignorant consumers of those images overseas will have precisely the opinion of them that was desired, and that that overseas opinion won’t be informed by such matters as probation violations or willing accompaniment down to the station, i.e., that those overseas consumers won’t understand the idea of freedom of speech entailing even wild slander of their Prophet any better than they did a month ago, or six days ago. And that consequently, when the Islamists choose once again to gin up a riot using some particle of criticism of their beloved Prophet or his God, they will do so at their convenience.

  118. sdferr says:

    Oh, and that in the meantime, our weird stuff — movies, music, books, productivity, etc. — will continue to get into and fuck with their children’s heads, setting them all kinds of a-kilter with the faith of their fathers. Goes to something about not being able to stop the signal, Mal.

  119. B Moe says:

    I am agreeing with you, sdferr. The media played it exactly to Obama’s benefit, as is to be expected.

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  121. palaeomerus says:

    It’s SMART diplomacy not strong diplomacy.

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