I think it’s time for a strategic retreat. Fly in some Blackhawks and pick our people out of the embassy compounds all over the middle east. Leave the doors unlocked and the flag up. When our people are out and theirs are in, burning shit and tearing our flag down, Tomahawk the living shit out of our embassy. We can tell the crybabies, “Sorry, we weren’t home and the burglar alarm went off and ADT may have over reacted” and everyone else, “let’s face it, they had invaded our sovereign territory and we were simply burning our papers.”
Everything is up. And down to two cents goes the dollar. Note the bald-faced arrogance here. Or is it terror?
The Fed said it will buy $40 billion of mortgages per month in an attempt to foster a nascent recovery in the real estate market.
The purchases will be open-ended, meaning that they will continue until the Fed is satisfied that economic conditions, primarily in unemployment, improve.
“There’s strong hints that they’ll do Treasurys next,” Joe LaVorgna, chief economist at Deutsche Bank Advisors, said in a phone interview from London. “They’re pulling out all the stops to try to get this economy to gain some traction and, most important, to get unemployment down.”
Enacting the third leg of quantitative easing, or QE3, will take the Fed’s money creation past the $3 trillion level since it began the process in 2008.
“The Committee is concerned that, without further policy accommodation, economic growth might not be strong enough to generate sustained improvement in labor market conditions,” the Open Market Committee said in a statement.
In addition, the Fed said it will continue its program of selling shorter-dated government debt and buying longer-term securities, a mechanism known as Operation Twist. It also will continue its policy of reinvesting principal payments from agency debt and mortgage-backed securities back into mortgages.
The Open Market Committee. Operation Twist. And this is a language blog…
This is Ponzi at a level so vast no one will believe it. Jeenyus, that.
– Yes, the Fed is trying, once again, to save his half white ass.
– Problem is that 40 billion is a drop in the bucket. With 13 million mortgages under water, that works out to ~ 3 thousand per mortgage, which, surprise, surprise, gets people at best through 2-3 months, and just after the elections they’re right back to being totally fucked again, but Jug ears might be safely back in the WH.
My question is: how soon is our money is going to be worthless? I’ve been stockpiling cash to buy land and build a few things.. Kinda nervous that if I wait until spring like I was planning, my money won’t buy what I need it to…
Gold is up fifty bucks today, missfixit, plus or minus. I know, I know; hindsight.
But as BBH points out, $40B is chump change.
The takeaway is that the Fed cabal is unfettered — all those years of calling it a private corporation suddenly carry new weight — and second, with QEPerpetuity, we can see it’s all out of tools: now little events make a big impact.
So cash? Some are sitting on it even while it devalues because it’s still the best risk. Astounding state of affairs and by that you can also mean State of Affairs.
The voter’s grip on his original rights has never been more tenuous.
Unfair to Carter. At least Jimmy made good grades in college. On the other hand, both approach the Middle East with the same extraordinarily dangerous naivete.
missfixit, you are not alone. People are pulling their money out of banks nationwide. When we see a run on the banks, it will be a sure sign that it’s over.
Yes, I’ve got a friend who said her inlaws pulled their cash out and have it stashed on their property.
Thing is — if cash is devalued to nothing, then it doesn’t matter if I’ve got it in the bank or stuffed under my mattress, right? Right about now I’m wishing I’d majored in economics and finance, rather than science. Because I barely understand what I’m talking about. I know just enough to be super nervous.
For all those 99%’er’s that can’t find a job…might I suggest you put your resume in with Foggy Bottom. It appears there will soon be many, many US Embassy (and let’s not forget those “Interim Embassy”) positions available all over the Middle East.*
*Flak jacket, helmet, fortified wall, gate, plexiglass, & Marines with live rounds not included in employment package.
– It won’t be devalued to ‘nothing’, that will only happen in a total collapse. It will be devalued sufficiently to make the debt essentially worthless for our creditors.
– People will survive and the devaluation will work, but only if they stop spending more than the rate of devaluation..
– Theres no sign thats going to happen any time soon, even if Romney wins.
I’d stash gold, silver, guns, or ammo under the mattress, not cash. If hyperinflation comes, you’ll want to carry your credit card, not a wheelbarrow of cash.
exactly but so are guns. Which is why I was putting my cash into acreage. Hard to make decisions when you’re not sure how bad things are really going to get.
– Bummblefuck declared war on the money people. By doing so he made even devaluation unworkable. Without investment they have to keep borrowing, and so devaluation just buys a little time before the wheels finnally come off. The wheels come off when ho one will buy our bomds any longer.
– With no ecternal investment, and no bond sales you have zero source of money to prop up the system. Total collapse.
– At that point the only way out is war, which ironically enough, through Jug ears stupid foriegn policies we’re very likely going to see soon.
Ammunition is really the only universally recognized currency. If you have gold, you can probably trade it for guns. But if you have ammo, you can definitely trade it for gold. (It helps to have the ammo stored in a facility from which it can be withdrawn quickly. Like 1,000 feet per second quickly.)
Whiskey’s a pretty good store of value, too. Durable, fairly compact, decent value-to-weight ratio, accepted almost everywhere. All good things to look for in a currency.
– Thats a snake eating its tail Squid. The Fed did that this time because they were scared to death if they held an auction no one would show up. But they can’t keep doing that unless they drastically reduce spending, and soon.
well I’m not buying anything other than shotguns because it’s not like I’ve got an army at my house who can handle anything larger. I’ve got three little kids, maybe I’ll get them some slingshots, too.
– Ernst, an M-1 is probably the last firearm anyone should ever choose for defense, unless you can stockpile several of them. They are nasty to maintain, mondo clumsy to load, and only good for drill teams.
– The last thing you’d want to have to deal with in a survival setting is a jammed firearm or even worse, an M-1 thumb.
Things are getting worse, but we’ve still got some time
– Not all that much, and everything depends on getting rid of the Socialists anti-Capitalists. Without that as a base starting point to work from we can’t even see a potential turn aeound, much less plan for one.
– Jug ears has set up a condition of total ‘uncertainty’, directly as a result of the Socialist fundemental hate for sharing power. What the Fed is doing is trying to shore up that gapping wound with artificial short term ‘certainties’. In effect the Fed has to keep working against the disasterous anti-business policies of his highness.
– Until we do it for real, remove every one of Obama’s ‘uncertainties’, investers won’t invest, and we remain teetering on the cliff.
I know, BBH, and JHoward will definitely think me a hopeless Optimist on this, but I still feel like the true cliff will be noticeable, Wile E Coyote style. As in, we’ll know for sure and have some true emergency time while the rest of the Country believes we can peddle the air.
M-1 carbine is lighter, easier to wield and produces way less recoil than a 20 ga, All of which seems to be a concern for missfixit (unless she’s doing that female don’t let on how good you really are, lest the boys fear you and the other girls hate you thing that females sometimes do), and the only reason I keep bringing it up.
I don’t think I’ve ever fired an M-1, the problem is that my first firearm class and subsequent range practice all happened when I was a teenager, and it’s been many years since then, so I’m “relearning” everything I used to know. I remember firing many different rifles, handguns (glocks mostly) even some big russian machine gun setup on a tripod. Can’t even remember the name of that one.
Trying to figure out what works best for me right now, in a totally different setting and for different purposes.
hence why I’m so concerned with it being lightweight & easy to handle. I distinctly remember the glock was difficult for me to hold steady because it was so damn heavy.
Missfixit have you thought about a rifle rather than a shotgun? (I don’t know much about long guns. I’m a handgun girl.) Shotguns can kick really hard and bruise your shoulder if you aren’t careful. Are you worried about accuracy? My point is that your kids could handle a .22 and kids are natural sharp-shooters who will practice a lot, especially when their sister can outshoot them. ; )
– If you ever fired an M-1 missfixit its doubtful you would ever forget it. Just loading it is an ‘adventure’.
– For home defense a Glock or medium cal PPK is probably the easiest to maintain and handle for close up encounters. The newer carbines are a good choice as well. A shotgun is only good for close up and personal, and you’d better be proficient at loading unless you have a magazine type load, and in a shot gun that can get unweidy fast.
You should be able to handle a .357, then. It has the advantage of your being able to shoot either magnum loads (kicks like a mutha) or .38s with are much cheaper and don’t kick as hard.
Of course, it’s a revolver and some sneer at that. Not me. I love mine.
I think for my immediate needs I want something I can fire in close range, inside my house if necessary. That’s why I’m going with the 20ga instead of the 12ga, recoil, weight, etc being the main considerations. My dad is giving me a .22 revolver because we’re taking our concealed carry class in October. Other than that, I’m not sure I need anything else.
I waited this long because I was too scared to have guns in my bedroom when my kids were babies, but they are at the age now where they can respect it, and maybe start learning themselves.
I want the shotgun ASAP because I’ve been having a lot of nightmares lately about people trying to break into my house. It might just be a general feeling of anxiety that’s been building up for the last year!
Speed-loaders are like anything else: practice, practice, practice. I didn’t think they were any harder than dropping a spent magazine and putting in a new one and I can do that while keeping my eyes on the target.
I’ve been having a lot of nightmares lately about people trying to break into my house.
It must be part of the Collective Unconscious. I’ve been having nightmares almost every night. Generally, someone has hidden my children and is trying to kill me and I am in a strange place where I don’t know anyone. The last one (yesterday) was strangest. It was taking place in remote time period, the sixties or early seventies only I was a grown woman, not a little girl as I would have been then.
The abused thinks that the violence was his or her fault.
The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere.
The abused fears for his/her life and/or the lives of his/her children (if present).
The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.
– Many civilizations/planets have succeeded and many have failed. Why don’t they just intercede and fix things?
– Because the essense of the univeral entity must remain in a state of free will or everything that exists would gring to a halt.
– So all they can do is guide and teach and the rest is up to us. So far we’ve survived each phase. We’re not nearly done yet, and even they don’t know if we’ll be one that succeeds.
– If you ever fired an M-1 missfixit its doubtful you would ever forget it. Just loading it is an ‘adventure’.
I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that you’re talking about the M-1 Garand, whereas I’m talking about the M-1 .30 cal carbine. Two different critters.
– Yeh, that would be a bit of a difference there. Although the jamming thing would still hold. Military designs of that ers are famous for their ‘jammability’.
I think for my immediate needs I want something I can fire in close range, inside my house if necessary. That’s why I’m going with the 20ga instead of the 12ga, recoil, weight, etc being the main considerations.
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I want the shotgun ASAP because I’ve been having a lot of nightmares lately about people trying to break into my house. It might just be a general feeling of anxiety that’s been building up for the last year!
I don’t mean to jack this into a HD/SD SHTF WORL TEOTWAWKI Zombie Apocalypse! thread. So,
just as long as your reasoning doesn’t follow along the lines of the scariest sound in the world is that of a pump action shotgun’s slide being worked and/or just point, shoot, and let the 00 buckshot take care of the rest, missfixit.
…just as long as your reasoning doesn’t follow along the lines of the scariest sound in the world is that of a pump action shotgun’s slide being worked and/or just point, shoot, and let the 00 buckshot take care of the rest, missfixit.
Ernst, I was just about to say that. Collective Unconcious, indeed.
eh…not sure I follow? My reasoning is that I need a weapon for home defense, because I am otherwise defenseless with 3 young kids and my neighborhood has had some break ins. That’s as far as I’ve gotten. I am not thinking about vampires or zombies! I am wondering what the EARMUFFS Jeff is planning to shoot with that rig of his, but I try to be polite about it.. :)
In some states they’re prohibited, but no, they aren’t illegal. In fact, my FNP 45 TAC takes one, too. On the SCAR, you actually have a dedicated setting on the gas regulator for a suppressor.
It takes a while to get one, and there’s a tax stamp you need to get, and you’re best off setting up your own corporation to buy it, but it can be done. At which point you don’t have to worry about making yourself deaf should you ever have to fire in a self-defense situation. Or if you just don’t feel like wearing special ear protection.
In the interim, though, I plan on going and having some custom plugs made up. They filter out gunfire but you can still hear talking, and you can also use them as iPad ear buds.
My reasoning is that I need a weapon for home defense, because I am otherwise defenseless with 3 young kids and my neighborhood has had some break ins. [But] [t]hat’s as far as I’ve gotten.
And then follow the links where they take you and start assessing, in light of your requirements and capabilities, who knows what they’re talking about and who’s a 33rd level mall ninja/couch commando.*
A few other thoughts:
First, ignore the pictures of all the scary evil AR-15s; it’s just a platform for delivering the .223/5.556 cartridge. Other platforms do it as well (though not as well as, as the black rifle cult will tell you —over and over again).
Second, there’s only two things that the three camps in the Great Carbine vs. Shotgun vs. Handgun as the Go To Weapon Debate all agree on: any gun is better than no gun, and the guys in the other two camps are crazy.
*For the record, I’m a humble 3rd level jr. apprentice armchair warrior-sage with an obsessive compulsive need to do research. So disentangle that and take it for what it’s worth.
I don’t think any of us are going to have to throw down at the OK Corral (except Jeff and he’s ready [I’m kidding]) so a revolver, a speed-loader, a semi-auto with spare magazines and you can take on a lot of bad guys unless they get the drop on you. In which case, all the fire-power in an armory isn’t going to do you much good.
I wish you could still get brass knuckles and a sap. Quiet and effective. Also a ticket to the pokey.
I was thinking a props department on a movie set or a teevee show would be a good place to start. If they don’t have the real deal, then one of the grips could probably find one of each for you.
My kid is in line to start shooting training films for the Steelers. I’ll pay him a visit and ask around.
I haven’t had a single FTF or FTE on my FNP in the first 400 or so rounds. I had jamming problems with my Taurus, but that was an issue with one magazine being slightly bent at the feed end. I’ve spread it out some and it’s better now, though not perfect yet. Other than that, no problems.
Many of today’s semi-autos are very very reliable. The two I have were designed for military use and had to go through lots of torture and reliability testing. They did well.
The biggest problem with them is limp-wristing. On some semi-autos, this type of shooting will lead to jams, because the recoil designed into the re-chambering stage doesn’t run into the proper resistance.
That’s why shooting a semi-auto gangsta style, hand on top and pistol parallel with the ground, is so very stupid.
If you know someone with metal shop or a a water cutter or a laser cutter and you don’t mind grinding the cut stock a little to bevel it and smooth the finish you could make one using paper as a template and then using that to make your G-code.
Some communities have a sort of coop metal and wood shop where you join a club and sign up for time on a CNC lathe, cutter, or mill, or power tool with guides and presses and miter boxes and such, and buy your own stock. They usually have upholstering stuff too. People just hand out there and hack on projects together so there is usually someone there who can show you how to use the machines and keep you from breaking a tool.
You might also build yourself a knuckle duster out of layers of 1/8″ steel and then solder them together one by one with thick tin foil on a hot plate. Then you could grind THAT t the surface you want. Might be kind of heavy though. I made a hammer out of steel layers and tin and bismuth solder for a class a long time ago. Lining up the layers was hard but it was surprisingly tough. We had a hole in the middle to hammer a wooden handle into. Not good for beating on steel but more than good enough for demolishing wood crates and such. So I think it could survive contact with a belligerent dangerous human easily enough. We bashed up some old tarmac with it and it held together for that.
True enough. Thus my saying a revolver and speed-loader, a semi-auto and spare mags are my go-to gear. I have one of those flashlights that doubles as a baton in my truck, too. And a pocketknife with a three inch blade.
I can’t afford fancy tactical stuff like Jeff’s and I have an almost 16 yo who, while trust-worthy around our other guns, would be sorely tempted by such a fine piece of weaponry.
Did you see the nice little “I’m with this guy.” Obama photo they’re making viral on the Twitter?
Of course, I fixed it.
OT: Gene Ceirnan just gave the most touching eulogy I think I’ve ever heard for Neil Armstrong at the National Cathedral.
Exactly as we thought it would.
But then they are who we thought they were, aren’t they?
I think it’s time for a strategic retreat. Fly in some Blackhawks and pick our people out of the embassy compounds all over the middle east. Leave the doors unlocked and the flag up. When our people are out and theirs are in, burning shit and tearing our flag down, Tomahawk the living shit out of our embassy. We can tell the crybabies, “Sorry, we weren’t home and the burglar alarm went off and ADT may have over reacted” and everyone else, “let’s face it, they had invaded our sovereign territory and we were simply burning our papers.”
Then see if it happens again.
LMC, I like it, but it won’t happen of course. Hill was on teevee this morning making excuses about religion and intolerance.
I hate to break it to ya, Hill, but the intolerance seems to be a one way street over there, as well as a handy-dandy excuse for torching and killing.
I like your plan LMC.
He’s so much more.
The diplomancy and embassy security of Jimmy Carter
The domestic agenda, election strategies, and personal tact of LBJ.
The professorial eliteism, attitude toward free speech, and racism of Wilson.
The economic policies and recovery of FDR.
The misuse of, and disrespect for, the military of the Clinton[s].
He’s SuperDem.
We asked to be pussies. I guess people didn’t understand we’d be NOW protesting the Catholic Church pink pussies.
Obama alone: This president does not need intel briefers
Barry is invoking the Lord in Golden, CO.
I feel a disturbance in the Force, all the way over here in OK.
In the first person, no doubt.
Strangely, no. Twice within a minute or so. I’m guessing that booing Him didn’t go over well with the focus groups.
In other awesome news, we don’t need to number QE rounds anymore. It’s just ongoing policy now.
He looked as if he were going to choke when he said the word “God”. No doubt he was scanning the skies for thunderheads.
He also stole Ryan’s rhetoric about Natural Rights.
Pablo, the stock market is spiking right now.
Having to pretend he isn’t God must really stick in his craw.
Of course it is.
See JHoward, you were worried for nothing.
And frankly, what’s so sad about resembling Zimbabwe? It’s such a fun word. ZIM BAB WHEE!!!
Yes, JHo. Of course it is. There are no earnings, just movement.
Unemployment is up 20K more than estimated.
Go us.
Know I’m commenting too much on this thread, but who else is excited for the Aaron Sorkin movie about these events?
“My, God, man. It’s just an embassy. You’re asking to interrupt the President’s sleep and rally schedule!”
Everything is up. And down to two cents goes the dollar. Note the bald-faced arrogance here. Or is it terror?
The Open Market Committee. Operation Twist. And this is a language blog…
This is Ponzi at a level so vast no one will believe it. Jeenyus, that.
If meya were still here s/he’d be all over this.
– Yes, the Fed is trying, once again, to save his half white ass.
– Problem is that 40 billion is a drop in the bucket. With 13 million mortgages under water, that works out to ~ 3 thousand per mortgage, which, surprise, surprise, gets people at best through 2-3 months, and just after the elections they’re right back to being totally fucked again, but Jug ears might be safely back in the WH.
– Call it Barney Frank/CRA/ACORN II.
How do we even explain, JHoward? And I’m sure it’s a coincidence that they made this announcement while the Middle East is exploding.
Man, you want language, ask me what I think about their “And we’ll throw even more good money after bad! See if we won’t!”
We are belting the robbers with the jewelry they overlooked.
My question is: how soon is our money is going to be worthless? I’ve been stockpiling cash to buy land and build a few things.. Kinda nervous that if I wait until spring like I was planning, my money won’t buy what I need it to…
– The plan is obvious. Makr money tremendously devalued, and debts go bye-bye.
“Having to pretend he isn’t God must really stick in his craw.”
Yeah well, I’m not planning to put up with another 996 years of this crap.
If it weren’t cloudy out, which could turn into thunderstorms in a moment’s notice, I’d have a million punch lines for that.
Gold is up fifty bucks today, missfixit, plus or minus. I know, I know; hindsight.
But as BBH points out, $40B is chump change.
The takeaway is that the Fed cabal is unfettered — all those years of calling it a private corporation suddenly carry new weight — and second, with QEPerpetuity, we can see it’s all out of tools: now little events make a big impact.
So cash? Some are sitting on it even while it devalues because it’s still the best risk. Astounding state of affairs and by that you can also mean State of Affairs.
The voter’s grip on his original rights has never been more tenuous.
Unfair to Carter. At least Jimmy made good grades in college. On the other hand, both approach the Middle East with the same extraordinarily dangerous naivete.
missfixit, you are not alone. People are pulling their money out of banks nationwide. When we see a run on the banks, it will be a sure sign that it’s over.
Jimmy was in the military, as well. Barack is probably 4-F because he’s pigeon chested.
Yes, I’ve got a friend who said her inlaws pulled their cash out and have it stashed on their property.
Thing is — if cash is devalued to nothing, then it doesn’t matter if I’ve got it in the bank or stuffed under my mattress, right? Right about now I’m wishing I’d majored in economics and finance, rather than science. Because I barely understand what I’m talking about. I know just enough to be super nervous.
PFC. Frost: What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language?
For all those 99%’er’s that can’t find a job…might I suggest you put your resume in with Foggy Bottom. It appears there will soon be many, many US Embassy (and let’s not forget those “Interim Embassy”) positions available all over the Middle East.*
*Flak jacket, helmet, fortified wall, gate, plexiglass, & Marines with live rounds not included in employment package.
Guns and Ammo are good places to park money.
….if cash is devalued to nothing
– It won’t be devalued to ‘nothing’, that will only happen in a total collapse. It will be devalued sufficiently to make the debt essentially worthless for our creditors.
– People will survive and the devaluation will work, but only if they stop spending more than the rate of devaluation..
– Theres no sign thats going to happen any time soon, even if Romney wins.
I’d stash gold, silver, guns, or ammo under the mattress, not cash. If hyperinflation comes, you’ll want to carry your credit card, not a wheelbarrow of cash.
gold and silver are nice but inedible.
gold and silver are nice but inedible
exactly but so are guns. Which is why I was putting my cash into acreage. Hard to make decisions when you’re not sure how bad things are really going to get.
– Bummblefuck declared war on the money people. By doing so he made even devaluation unworkable. Without investment they have to keep borrowing, and so devaluation just buys a little time before the wheels finnally come off. The wheels come off when ho one will buy our bomds any longer.
– With no ecternal investment, and no bond sales you have zero source of money to prop up the system. Total collapse.
– At that point the only way out is war, which ironically enough, through Jug ears stupid foriegn policies we’re very likely going to see soon.
Ammunition is really the only universally recognized currency. If you have gold, you can probably trade it for guns. But if you have ammo, you can definitely trade it for gold. (It helps to have the ammo stored in a facility from which it can be withdrawn quickly. Like 1,000 feet per second quickly.)
Whiskey’s a pretty good store of value, too. Durable, fairly compact, decent value-to-weight ratio, accepted almost everywhere. All good things to look for in a currency.
The wheels come off when ho one will buy our bonds any longer.
Which is why the Fed has taken upon itself the role of bond buyer. See? Now the wheels can never fall off!
– Thats a snake eating its tail Squid. The Fed did that this time because they were scared to death if they held an auction no one would show up. But they can’t keep doing that unless they drastically reduce spending, and soon.
If you’re a real SOB and have guns, you could persuade others to give you their gold and silver.
Acreage is good. Acreage and a means to defend it are better.
Shotguns only defend acreage against goose shit.
But better than a firm handshake and a winning smile I hasten to add
I should probably also add that an M-1 carbine is only marginally better than a shotgun in terms of defending acreage
before somebody else does it for me.
well I’m not buying anything other than shotguns because it’s not like I’ve got an army at my house who can handle anything larger. I’ve got three little kids, maybe I’ll get them some slingshots, too.
– Ernst, an M-1 is probably the last firearm anyone should ever choose for defense, unless you can stockpile several of them. They are nasty to maintain, mondo clumsy to load, and only good for drill teams.
– The last thing you’d want to have to deal with in a survival setting is a jammed firearm or even worse, an M-1 thumb.
– The last thing you’d want to have to deal with in a survival setting is a jammed firearm or even worse, an M-1 thumb.
A little whiskey can help with that.
My question is: how soon is our money is going to be worthless?
Ask Moody’s.
You’re pretty solid, Missfixit. Raise your kids well and buy a reasonable amount of land. Things are getting worse, but we’ve still got some time.
Things are getting worse, but we’ve still got some time
– Not all that much, and everything depends on getting rid of the Socialists anti-Capitalists. Without that as a base starting point to work from we can’t even see a potential turn aeound, much less plan for one.
– Jug ears has set up a condition of total ‘uncertainty’, directly as a result of the Socialist fundemental hate for sharing power. What the Fed is doing is trying to shore up that gapping wound with artificial short term ‘certainties’. In effect the Fed has to keep working against the disasterous anti-business policies of his highness.
– Until we do it for real, remove every one of Obama’s ‘uncertainties’, investers won’t invest, and we remain teetering on the cliff.
I know, BBH, and JHoward will definitely think me a hopeless Optimist on this, but I still feel like the true cliff will be noticeable, Wile E Coyote style. As in, we’ll know for sure and have some true emergency time while the rest of the Country believes we can peddle the air.
M-1 carbine is lighter, easier to wield and produces way less recoil than a 20 ga, All of which seems to be a concern for missfixit (unless she’s doing that female don’t let on how good you really are, lest the boys fear you and the other girls hate you thing that females sometimes do), and the only reason I keep bringing it up.
I don’t think I’ve ever fired an M-1, the problem is that my first firearm class and subsequent range practice all happened when I was a teenager, and it’s been many years since then, so I’m “relearning” everything I used to know. I remember firing many different rifles, handguns (glocks mostly) even some big russian machine gun setup on a tripod. Can’t even remember the name of that one.
Trying to figure out what works best for me right now, in a totally different setting and for different purposes.
hence why I’m so concerned with it being lightweight & easy to handle. I distinctly remember the glock was difficult for me to hold steady because it was so damn heavy.
Missfixit have you thought about a rifle rather than a shotgun? (I don’t know much about long guns. I’m a handgun girl.) Shotguns can kick really hard and bruise your shoulder if you aren’t careful. Are you worried about accuracy? My point is that your kids could handle a .22 and kids are natural sharp-shooters who will practice a lot, especially when their sister can outshoot them. ; )
– If you ever fired an M-1 missfixit its doubtful you would ever forget it. Just loading it is an ‘adventure’.
– For home defense a Glock or medium cal PPK is probably the easiest to maintain and handle for close up encounters. The newer carbines are a good choice as well. A shotgun is only good for close up and personal, and you’d better be proficient at loading unless you have a magazine type load, and in a shot gun that can get unweidy fast.
You should be able to handle a .357, then. It has the advantage of your being able to shoot either magnum loads (kicks like a mutha) or .38s with are much cheaper and don’t kick as hard.
Of course, it’s a revolver and some sneer at that. Not me. I love mine.
– Revolvers are good if you have speed loads and know how to use them.
I think for my immediate needs I want something I can fire in close range, inside my house if necessary. That’s why I’m going with the 20ga instead of the 12ga, recoil, weight, etc being the main considerations. My dad is giving me a .22 revolver because we’re taking our concealed carry class in October. Other than that, I’m not sure I need anything else.
I waited this long because I was too scared to have guns in my bedroom when my kids were babies, but they are at the age now where they can respect it, and maybe start learning themselves.
I want the shotgun ASAP because I’ve been having a lot of nightmares lately about people trying to break into my house. It might just be a general feeling of anxiety that’s been building up for the last year!
Speed-loaders are like anything else: practice, practice, practice. I didn’t think they were any harder than dropping a spent magazine and putting in a new one and I can do that while keeping my eyes on the target.
– A fem alone is always at risk, so being alert and preparing is the wise course.
I’ve been having a lot of nightmares lately about people trying to break into my house.
It must be part of the Collective Unconscious. I’ve been having nightmares almost every night. Generally, someone has hidden my children and is trying to kill me and I am in a strange place where I don’t know anyone. The last one (yesterday) was strangest. It was taking place in remote time period, the sixties or early seventies only I was a grown woman, not a little girl as I would have been then.
Weird.
A fem alone is always at risk, so being alert and preparing is the wise course.
Amen. When I lived alone I had a big dog who was fiercely protective.
– The non-material world collective consciouness is trying to intervene in our material world much more than it normaly doesl.
– It will grow as unrest increases, unless something like a major war or other events interupt the destabilizing trends.
The symptoms of Battered Spouse Syndrome:
That sounds familiar somehow….
– Many civilizations/planets have succeeded and many have failed. Why don’t they just intercede and fix things?
– Because the essense of the univeral entity must remain in a state of free will or everything that exists would gring to a halt.
– So all they can do is guide and teach and the rest is up to us. So far we’ve survived each phase. We’re not nearly done yet, and even they don’t know if we’ll be one that succeeds.
– Only one knows the answer to that question.
Swen, better Battered Wife Syndrome than Stockholm Syndrome, although they do share a few axis. But then so does Military training.
At least with the first and the last, you can fight back.
– (Cue Star Trek theme music)…..
“I’m a doctor Captain….not an existentialist.”
I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that you’re talking about the M-1 Garand, whereas I’m talking about the M-1 .30 cal carbine. Two different critters.
– Yeh, that would be a bit of a difference there. Although the jamming thing would still hold. Military designs of that ers are famous for their ‘jammability’.
News to me.
I don’t mean to jack this into a HD/SD SHTF WORL TEOTWAWKI Zombie Apocalypse! thread. So,
just as long as your reasoning doesn’t follow along the lines of the scariest sound in the world is that of a pump action shotgun’s slide being worked and/or just point, shoot, and let the 00 buckshot take care of the rest, missfixit.
…just as long as your reasoning doesn’t follow along the lines of the scariest sound in the world is that of a pump action shotgun’s slide being worked and/or just point, shoot, and let the 00 buckshot take care of the rest, missfixit.
Ernst, I was just about to say that. Collective Unconcious, indeed.
eh…not sure I follow? My reasoning is that I need a weapon for home defense, because I am otherwise defenseless with 3 young kids and my neighborhood has had some break ins. That’s as far as I’ve gotten. I am not thinking about vampires or zombies! I am wondering what the EARMUFFS Jeff is planning to shoot with that rig of his, but I try to be polite about it.. :)
.308 Win/7.62x51mm NATO goes off in your house and it will ring your bell.
Though not as bad as .223 Rem/5.56x45mm NATO
or so I’ve read.
Still, the dead can’t hear anything either, so….
Eventually I hope to have a suppressor for it. For now, I hope not to have to use it in my house without putting ears on first.
Aren’t those illegal, Jeff?
“Revolvers are good if you have speed loads and know how to use them.”
And they’re better if you have time to put some gloves on before you need to use them.
But despite the powder they throw, they are very easy to use and very reliable.
In some states they’re prohibited, but no, they aren’t illegal. In fact, my FNP 45 TAC takes one, too. On the SCAR, you actually have a dedicated setting on the gas regulator for a suppressor.
It takes a while to get one, and there’s a tax stamp you need to get, and you’re best off setting up your own corporation to buy it, but it can be done. At which point you don’t have to worry about making yourself deaf should you ever have to fire in a self-defense situation. Or if you just don’t feel like wearing special ear protection.
In the interim, though, I plan on going and having some custom plugs made up. They filter out gunfire but you can still hear talking, and you can also use them as iPad ear buds.
Supressors in Colorado:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110706191738AAIOBnH
Begin here and here
Then here and here and here and here.
And then follow the links where they take you and start assessing, in light of your requirements and capabilities, who knows what they’re talking about and who’s a 33rd level mall ninja/couch commando.*
A few other thoughts:
First, ignore the pictures of all the scary evil AR-15s; it’s just a platform for delivering the .223/5.556 cartridge. Other platforms do it as well (though not as well as, as the black rifle cult will tell you —over and over again).
Second, there’s only two things that the three camps in the Great Carbine vs. Shotgun vs. Handgun as the Go To Weapon Debate all agree on: any gun is better than no gun, and the guys in the other two camps are crazy.
*For the record, I’m a humble 3rd level jr. apprentice armchair warrior-sage with an obsessive compulsive need to do research. So disentangle that and take it for what it’s worth.
I don’t think any of us are going to have to throw down at the OK Corral (except Jeff and he’s ready [I’m kidding]) so a revolver, a speed-loader, a semi-auto with spare magazines and you can take on a lot of bad guys unless they get the drop on you. In which case, all the fire-power in an armory isn’t going to do you much good.
I wish you could still get brass knuckles and a sap. Quiet and effective. Also a ticket to the pokey.
“I wish you could still get brass knuckles and a sap. Quiet and effective. Also a ticket to the pokey.”
Flea Markets are a good start. A mid-size Geology hammer ain’t bad in a pinch though. Calcium Phosphate is very much a mineral.
I was thinking a props department on a movie set or a teevee show would be a good place to start. If they don’t have the real deal, then one of the grips could probably find one of each for you.
My kid is in line to start shooting training films for the Steelers. I’ll pay him a visit and ask around.
You can pick up brass knuckles at any gun show now. They sell them as paperweights and belt buckles.
Heh.
Ooh, nice to know! Guns shows are a-comin’ to town next month, too.
I haven’t had a single FTF or FTE on my FNP in the first 400 or so rounds. I had jamming problems with my Taurus, but that was an issue with one magazine being slightly bent at the feed end. I’ve spread it out some and it’s better now, though not perfect yet. Other than that, no problems.
Many of today’s semi-autos are very very reliable. The two I have were designed for military use and had to go through lots of torture and reliability testing. They did well.
The biggest problem with them is limp-wristing. On some semi-autos, this type of shooting will lead to jams, because the recoil designed into the re-chambering stage doesn’t run into the proper resistance.
That’s why shooting a semi-auto gangsta style, hand on top and pistol parallel with the ground, is so very stupid.
It’s a good way to catch an eject cartridge in the neck, too.
If you know someone with metal shop or a a water cutter or a laser cutter and you don’t mind grinding the cut stock a little to bevel it and smooth the finish you could make one using paper as a template and then using that to make your G-code.
Some communities have a sort of coop metal and wood shop where you join a club and sign up for time on a CNC lathe, cutter, or mill, or power tool with guides and presses and miter boxes and such, and buy your own stock. They usually have upholstering stuff too. People just hand out there and hack on projects together so there is usually someone there who can show you how to use the machines and keep you from breaking a tool.
You might also build yourself a knuckle duster out of layers of 1/8″ steel and then solder them together one by one with thick tin foil on a hot plate. Then you could grind THAT t the surface you want. Might be kind of heavy though. I made a hammer out of steel layers and tin and bismuth solder for a class a long time ago. Lining up the layers was hard but it was surprisingly tough. We had a hole in the middle to hammer a wooden handle into. Not good for beating on steel but more than good enough for demolishing wood crates and such. So I think it could survive contact with a belligerent dangerous human easily enough. We bashed up some old tarmac with it and it held together for that.
No, but I’m aware I may someday face my own private Alamo.
Or, to quote a one-armed deputy who took three wheel guns to a gunfight,
I just don’t want to be killed for lack of shootin’ back
True enough. Thus my saying a revolver and speed-loader, a semi-auto and spare mags are my go-to gear. I have one of those flashlights that doubles as a baton in my truck, too. And a pocketknife with a three inch blade.
I can’t afford fancy tactical stuff like Jeff’s and I have an almost 16 yo who, while trust-worthy around our other guns, would be sorely tempted by such a fine piece of weaponry.
another essay for missfixit’s consideration.
And a Website too!