I had my first run-in with “ideology” as a word (and to my naive mind at the time, a completely inexplicable word at that), as I recall it, while reading some book by Hannah Arendt, back about 1976 or so. I don’t recall now what Arendt had to say about the term, but do recall that for whatever reason I had been drawn up short by her discussion, and found myself unable to reconcile the etymological derivation of the word with the way people put it to work in commonplace use in that world of ’76. It’s still a bit murky to me, to say little on the subject, but Goldberg’s account about Napoleon and Marx rings true to what I’ve been taught since. Evidently, the term was coined to describe a novel type of psychological thinking, as in “an account of ideas”, or how ideas come to be. What a strange twist that it should have been put to the most partisan purposes possible, from such an apparently harmless universalistic beginning.
– There is no scientific ‘facts’, only useful models.
– On the other thing, the floor fight is not ‘settled’. The accomadation does not really address all the issues. There will still be a floorfight in the rules committee if it doesn’t get resolved by 2pm Tuesday.
It may have been somewhere in O of T geoffb, I can’t say. Besides that one, I read three or four others of her books around the same time, and my memory won’t cough up the details.
And I share sdferr’s feelings that anyone with the slightest interest in etymology is going to be quite confused by how badly ideologues have fucked up the meaning of ideology.
Regarding your OT, bbh: I’m so glad Romney is for realz against big government and central control. I’m sure his campaign’s proposed rules change is a mere abberration and doesn’t represent his true ideals. And I’m sure their success in Louisiana didn’t embolden them for this move at the convention, either.
– There is no scientific ‘facts’, only useful models.
The Sacramento defense lawyer whose client I helped convince the other jurors to convict of DUI 20 years ago, might have done well to learn that before arguing that a single study, which had not been reproduced by anyone else, was “scientific fact” because it hadn’t been refuted by anyone else.
He’d used voir dire to try to identify any working scientists, I gather to get them off the jury so he could get away with this, but since I was merely someone who knew how science worked, I didn’t get the boot.
And because we returned our verdict at 5:00 on Friday, none of us hung around to be interviewed about why we voted the way we did. He probably still has no clue.
“Facts are raaaaacist. Also often sexist, homophobic, and likely to otherize alternative lifestyles. I reject your facts and substitute my own.”
~Typical member of the “Reality-Based Community”.
Man, I’m totally the opposite, leigh. Not so fond of American Dad, totally enjoyed Family Guy.
Granted the writer’s been going further and further off his “reality-based” rocker lately so I will just watch The Cleveland Show, which manages to be the most racist thing EVAH!!11!!!
– Yes, well, consider the source. Scientists/professors should stay the hell out of politics.
– OT: Malkin posts on the rules change floor fight dustup.
I had my first run-in with “ideology” as a word (and to my naive mind at the time, a completely inexplicable word at that), as I recall it, while reading some book by Hannah Arendt, back about 1976 or so. I don’t recall now what Arendt had to say about the term, but do recall that for whatever reason I had been drawn up short by her discussion, and found myself unable to reconcile the etymological derivation of the word with the way people put it to work in commonplace use in that world of ’76. It’s still a bit murky to me, to say little on the subject, but Goldberg’s account about Napoleon and Marx rings true to what I’ve been taught since. Evidently, the term was coined to describe a novel type of psychological thinking, as in “an account of ideas”, or how ideas come to be. What a strange twist that it should have been put to the most partisan purposes possible, from such an apparently harmless universalistic beginning.
– There is no scientific ‘facts’, only useful models.
– On the other thing, the floor fight is not ‘settled’. The accomadation does not really address all the issues. There will still be a floorfight in the rules committee if it doesn’t get resolved by 2pm Tuesday.
Perhaps one of these two. “The Origins of Totalitarianism” or “Ideology and Terror” which was a later added chapter to the former apparently.
It may have been somewhere in O of T geoffb, I can’t say. Besides that one, I read three or four others of her books around the same time, and my memory won’t cough up the details.
Hm. So much for peer review.
“peer review” – Thats when all the departnent snobs get together and decide who gets to sleep with the crystal skull that night.
Good stuff. Reminds of when that pinhead progtard a few years ago declared on here that he had no world view.
It is hilarious to think that progressives declare themselves devoid of ideology because they only want what works. Yeah. Right.
And I share sdferr’s feelings that anyone with the slightest interest in etymology is going to be quite confused by how badly ideologues have fucked up the meaning of ideology.
Regarding your OT, bbh: I’m so glad Romney is for realz against big government and central control. I’m sure his campaign’s proposed rules change is a mere abberration and doesn’t represent his true ideals. And I’m sure their success in Louisiana didn’t embolden them for this move at the convention, either.
Facts are facts.
Regarding your OT, bbh: I’m so glad Romney is for realz against big government and central control.
Me too.
“With regards to women’s health care, look, I’m the guy that was able to get health care for all the women and men in my state.”
Is it just me, or does Jonah Goldberg look like Peter Griffin?
Who’s Peter Griffin?
I wish Jonah would lose that goatee. They were over when Bob Saget grew one.
A guy with a round face and small glasses, leigh.
He also has a prominent chin. Unlike Jonah Goldberg, I’m guessing.
Jonah has chins. Thus the goatee.
I still don’t know who Peter Griffin is. I guess I’ll have to go look him up.
Family Guy leigh
Oh, thanks. I hate that show.
Now American Dad, totally different story. Love it.
stupid html.
The Sacramento defense lawyer whose client I helped convince the other jurors to convict of DUI 20 years ago, might have done well to learn that before arguing that a single study, which had not been reproduced by anyone else, was “scientific fact” because it hadn’t been refuted by anyone else.
He’d used voir dire to try to identify any working scientists, I gather to get them off the jury so he could get away with this, but since I was merely someone who knew how science worked, I didn’t get the boot.
And because we returned our verdict at 5:00 on Friday, none of us hung around to be interviewed about why we voted the way we did. He probably still has no clue.
– That was beautiful McGehee….brought a tear to my eye, it did.
“Facts are raaaaacist. Also often sexist, homophobic, and likely to otherize alternative lifestyles. I reject your facts and substitute my own.”
~Typical member of the “Reality-Based Community”.
Man, I’m totally the opposite, leigh. Not so fond of American Dad, totally enjoyed Family Guy.
Granted the writer’s been going further and further off his “reality-based” rocker lately so I will just watch The Cleveland Show, which manages to be the most racist thing EVAH!!11!!!
“Man, what an imagination I’ve got…”
— Stand On Zanzibar