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Shit, why just “two year[s]”? Why not in perpetuity? These fucks don’t even bother to think it through, so eager are they to tell their lies.
this is in large part cause of our congressfags, particularly Team R ones, are too cowardly to stand up and say it’s not right to deport kids who’ve lived in America their whole life
they sacrifice what America stands for on the altar of identity politics
but more than betraying American ideals it’s more basic than that… it’s like how you don’t release puppies into the wild
and Mexico is worse than the wild it’s a corrupt violent shithole, just with a faster-growing economy than our pathetic once-robust obama-raped one
The trouble with this tactic is, as long as the economy is in the crapper, the number of illegals in the country continues to dwindle — and even without voter ID that means fewer of them to vote for him (in violation of yet another U.S. law) so it doesn’t benefit him but so much.
The radical reconquistadores might consider it good enough to bring them back to vote for him, but how many of them are there compared to people who’ll only be more pissed off by it (again, due in no small part to the economy being in the crapper)?
I think this is more remarkable for what it might be distracting from. Where the Obamarrhoids are concerned, when they do something that makes a lot of noise the place to look is elsewhere.
That’s what Obama is all about, all right.
Oh, wait…
FLASH! Obama just bought a new and exciting voting bloc! Just in time, too!
Can you imagine the fevered pace at which this bunch will be registered to vote? Or does that even matter, really?
“Progressivism and the authoritarian impulse” is probably my favorite Jeff G. post.
I wonder how an ad that juxtaposed this news with the black unemployment rate would play in 6 or 7 large cities in swing states.
I’m thinking Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland for starters.
One of my favorites. Note the tweets!
Hey, here’s a handy little target guide.
On the gripping hand, this makes it clear that racial violence *IS* his primary re-election strategy.
They’ve got his back.
Since I put up posts like that, jdw, my readership — and the commentary here — has steadily declined. I used routinely to put up posts that led to great, well-attended discussions, with the comments going up to the mid-hundreds. Today I can put up posts that get 1-3 comments, or none at all.
I suspect that has something to do with an organized freeze out of pw — at least partially — but hey, maybe it’s just the market speaking, and my stuff has become more depressing than helpful. I mean, big conservative organizations are lately giving prizes out to people who have been openly anti-Palin, pro-Romney (after Rick Perry’s big fizzle; by the way, Perry isn’t backing Ted Cruz, surprise surprise!) and, when it comes to the 2010 elections, more attuned to the GOP establishment’s wants than to the TEA Party’s wants. Conservative champions who seem uneasy with conservatism boldly proclaimed and advocated for. Because, well, strategy. And moderates.
I think the very idea of conservatism is being normalized toward centrism and establishment GOPism. And the conservative blogosphere’s firmament of elite sites is one of the driving forces.
Ironic.
Someone once said that any institution not explicitly conservative drifts to the left over time.
I think we may now be able to reduce that by three words.
Every institution drifts left until reality forces a painful reset.
I blame Rousseau and Kant.
Somebody who hasn’t already deleted it, go find yesterday’s Morning Jolt for an example of what Jeff is talking about.
John O’Sullivan’s First Law McGeehee.
Since I put up posts like that, jdw, my readership — and the commentary here — has steadily declined.
Guilty.
I’m better shutting up, and just reading what the smart people say.
But look ‘it.
It’s hard out here for a simple, stupid white cracker trying to create jobs & stuff.
Jeff, in partial defense of Rick Perry, Dewhurst is Lt Gov, and will still be Lt Gov once he’s lost to Cruz. Perry has to work with him to get anything through the TX Legislature.
I hear you, SDN. But he could have just remained neutral.
Rick Perry embarrassed Texas very badly
he may think different but he really doesn’t get to endorse anyone anymore
not seriously
Someone once said that any institution not explicitly conservative drifts to the left over time.
Covet those that don’t drift, my friend.
They have recently shown an ability to pick their time…and unleash Hell.
“People should know when they are conquered”
“Would you, Quintus?”
“Would I?”
It’s a great time to be alive y’all.
Yeah, Romney sucks.
But take it to ’em.
All of ’em.
O! just keeps pissing harder in the faces of people in OH, MI, IL, PA, etc. “Hey, sorry about all your unemployment, but I really have to make sure plenty of Mexicans are here to latch onto the teat o’ taxpayers – you understand, right?”
Yeh, the world is getting tougher for those of us that think folks ought to be responsible for their actions. In regards to immigration reform; why has no one proposed hiring say 20,000 more citizenship application processors?
Team 44 desperately wanted to get something out ahead of Rubio. They dont know how to work within the legislative system nor do they want anything they draft up reviewed. They love them some executive order though.
The most recent pivot to jobs lasted…what, 12 hours? Now back to handing out stuff to voting blocs.
I’m actually kinda sympathetic to the illegals in this situation, but you don’t trample the separation of powers to address the issue.
It’s a handing out work-cards move Dale, amounting more or less to a JAIP or ‘Jobs for illegal aliens program’, so he’s still on message (especially to the extent the underlying motive is unchanged and also a matter of a job: keeping his job through whatever cost he may have to pay!).
“Progressivism and the authoritarian impulse”
Just for the heck of linking it.
Poor King Barry I, got heckled by a reporter during his
audiencepress conference. Well, really a reading of TOTUS by POTUS, since the press didn’t get to conference with Him.That particular post, jg, is one for the ages. It’s got the resonance and flow that answers…no, illustrates…the ‘what is the TEA Party? question. And does so with the staccato of a nail gun.
Many of those other bloggers ? Unreadable. And many seem so…formulaic. But, mostly, unreadable!
Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King said Friday that he plans to sue the Obama administration to halt implementation of its newly announced selective illegal immigration law enforcement policy. He told Mike Huckabee on the former Arkansas governor’s radio program Friday that he successfully sued his own state’s governor — and won — over a similar separation-of-powers issue.
“I will tell you that — I’m not without experience on this — I’m prepared to bring a suit and seek a court order to stop implementation of this policy,” King said
“I have done it once in the past successfully when then-Governor Tom Vilsack thought he could legislate by executive order — and the case of King vs. Vilsack is in the books. And that individual, by the way, is now the Secretary of Agriculture. I wonder if he’s not counseling the president on his legal proceedings.”
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How can we deport the elderly parents of these 30 year old children who are here legalishly now? How heartless, breaking up families. Better to exercise more discretion.
Crud, my link is messed up. The article is in The Daily Caller.
the daily caller is racist because it questioned the baracky.
this will do more to help Mr. Governor Romney raise money than it will help President Food Stamp raise money I think
this is because this is understood by Obamawhores to be a Desperate Election Ploy, whereas Team Rs will think of this as a Substantive Policy Change
Mr. Governor Romney
a fence sitter on the titles debate
baracky with the gasoline can
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The agents interviewed up to a dozen firearms dealers, gun range employees and private investigators about George Zimmerman, according to a court document filed Friday by Assistant State Attorney Bernardo de la Rionda. Another 11 investigators from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement also joined the probe.
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Happy, my 80 year old mom is ready to spit nails about this. She lives right in the middle of the San Joaquin Valley and has been going off about the Messicans for at least 20 years.
Rubio weighs in, and finishes with this;
“And by once again ignoring the constitution and going around congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one”.
So, it’s unconstitutional and illegal, but it’s still a policy in effect?
Do we, or do we fucking not have a constitution and rule of law in this country?
I think Mr. Governor Romney needs to just say that this is an election year gimmick on the part of President Food Stamp cause of how he’s too cowardly and ashamed to run on his economic record and leave it at that.
“happyfeet says June 15, 2012 at 10:34 am” You really don’t have a clue, do you?
Jeff: Do you have a method with which to upload photos to your blog? Or I can send them to your email. Just maybe, some of you would like to see what you are inviting into your borders. Shitholes: coming to a town near you. SOON!
hf, nothing Rick Perry has done or ever will do embarrasses TX as much as you claiming to have resided there.
baracky’s 100th round of golf watch.
It occurs to me that Obama’s lawlessness puts sworn federal employees into something of a bind, doesn’t it?
Seems like you could have an interesting court case here if you set up a legal defense fund and found a federal employee willing to actually follow the law of the land.
that is hyperbole Mr. SDN Texas loves me this I know and I love Texas and decidered since I have to get my paintings out of my office before we move to a new one I’m a just do my bedroom up with a Texas theme and maybe start up an account just for to save up for a Dalhart Windberg you can still find some what are just barely affordable, which would not include this one wow you could have a super nice brand new mobile home for that price
Deep In The Heart Of Texas Song
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I really don’t get this at all. Even beyond the obvious Orwellianism of doing this through the DHS, does he really think this is going to gain more immigrant votes than it costs him laid off workers and union votes?
He is not all that popular with traditional, private sector union rank and file, this is not going to help at all.
National Soros Radio tries to bury the obvious Mr. Moe, but president food stamp is one exceedingly desperate motherfucker these days
this is not going to help at all.
baracky’s part of the demo team for his “house of cards” empire
I read it the same, B Moe. This doesn’t seem like a winning strategy to me.
A key point to for us to remember is that the immigration effort failed during a drastically better economic time even when it was being pushed by both Republicans and Democrats. All the planets were aligned and it was still too unpopular.
Winning strategy or no, all this behavior poisons the hell out of our politics.
The smart play is to emphasize the law and not denigrate the offspring who are here only because of the dreams of their fathers.
timing plus the time mag illegals cover
Published June 15, 2012
Associated Press
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – Florida Sen. Marco Rubio was on the verge of dropping out of the Senate race, convinced he would get crushed by Gov. Charlie Crist because he had too much popularity, money, and power, Rubio wrote in his new autobiography.
Rubio was sure Crist would be too much to overcome and was afraid of his ability to threaten any future political ambitions, he wrote in the book to be released next week.
Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/06/15/rubio-book-says-almost-quit-race/#ixzz1xv1oUoT4
not denigrate the offspring
yea let the proggs use the “children” as a battering ram for transformational change.
From the Rule of Law to the Suggestion of Law.
Conversely let the children take the brunt of the whippings for the sins of their fathers. Good optics there.
Best just stick to the legalities.
Conversely let the children take the brunt of the whippings for the sins of their fathers. Good optics there.
the real optics is a constitutional overreach by the executive branch. you accept their narrative. not me. “i will not comply”.
let the children take the brunt of the whippings
you mouth the proggslim stuff hook line sinker. every effin thing the ahole proggs come up with is akin to the “BLACK’s civil rights struggle™” . go away.
I might have missed something but neither nr nor others were actually trash talking poor immigrant kids were they?
If we’re going to expand good manners into a general prohibition against playing off the dissonance between their varied identity groups though then I’d say we’ve ceded far too much of the field and are doomed to failure.
I’ll give you an example. I (this is just me here, not anyone else) don’t recall ever saying a disparaging word against gay people.
Give me the opportunity to play that Obama Boy video in select urban markets though? Yeah, I’ll do that in a heart beat.
They don’t have underlying principles. They don’t have unifying notions of America. No, they pander and pay select identity groups in a cynical, anti-American manner.
Surely driving a wedge between them isn’t only necessary but good.
(All that said, nr, let’s not ask BT to go away. Let’s just talk about it instead. He’s a pleasant fellow and he’s told entertaining anecdotes about cars with built-in record players.)
I was appreciative for the immediate example of the very poisoning offered up.
let the children take the brunt of the whippings
what whippings? like they pay in state tutition in texas, like the lead writer to time magazines current cover, like doj stopping fla from removing non citizens from voter rolls? oh go to heck with your progg bs.
I don’t believe i called out anyone by name. I shared my thoughts on the situation on this board. Fact is I personally know more than one person who traded a year in the jungles of Viet Nam for citizenship in the US of A. I respect that.
Now if respecting those who earn their way, pay their freight is progthink, then we just disagree.
All that said, nr, let’s not ask BT to go away
i’m tired of arguing with high school students with degrees from harvard.
Now if respecting those who earn their way, pay their freight is progthink, then we just disagree.
yea you and president straw man.
“I don’t believe i called out anyone by name.”
Precisely. You don’t even bother to cite any particular “denigrat[ion]” in this thread! But that wouldn’t be because there isn’t any, would it?
What i stated was the smart move would be to emphasize the law instead of personalizing the action.
How progressive.
Some of us view the advice as something of a non sequitur. How surprising!
Conversely let the children take the brunt of the whippings for the sins of their fathers. Good optics there.
didn’t seem to hurt baracky when he cancelled the dc voucher program.
The citizenship for military service is (I’m guessing here) probably quite popular, BT. What is bundled with this good and ancient move is quite a bit of terrible nonsense though. So it’s probably best not to characterize the overall move by the shiny coin meant only to distract. Obama and other progressives aren’t concerned about veterans or any notion of earned citizenship.
Well, BT is older than me and a veteran, I believe, nr. It’s my learned inclination to show some respect there. Just is. He’s certainly not a high school student in relation to me.
What i stated was the smart move
to whom?
Yeah, advice like that is best offered when it’s relevant, BT.
“The citizenship for military service is (I’m guessing here) probably quite popular, BT.”
Indeed, I hear Pres. Bush signed that into law many years ago. Didn’t hear any grousing about it, either.
this has significantly less to do with Obama’s love for the wee latino immigrant children and a lot more to do with him wanting a bunch of our more clueless indigenous hispanics to vote for him so he can fuck America up the ass for four more years
BT is older than me and a veteran
we are citizens in this so called democratic republic. i give no deference to military, presidents, congresscritters or ditch diggers. if you have a stupid idea you are fair game.
Certainly stupid ideas are fair game but the people who hold them?
Between the two of us, nr, we each think the other is mistaken here or there but we’ve managed to get along swimmingly for a rather long time now just by being friendly and linking some music from time to time.
Check out these little fellas: they’re a stitch.
So saying focusing on the law vs personalizing it is not relevant. Yet up thread we are reminded of Rep. Kings actions in Iowa, which seemed to indicate that overstepping boundaries by the executive contrary to the states constitution would likely not be looked upon fondly in the courts, an lo and behold it wasn’t in that particular legal case.
And i believe the regulatory action concerns a small subset of illegal immigrants and does pertain to those illegal messicans who crossed the border when they were not minors, though i suspect the end results will be the same.
By “traditional, private sector union rank and file,” you mean those white working class voters he’s already written off, yes?
I think the issue there isn’t so much whether or not they’re broadly against him, Ernst. They are. It’s how broadly and how motivated they are on election day.
I’d say it’s a net loss for Obama.
What puzzles me is that Hispanics should be a natural conservative constituency and it really surprises me that the GOP leading on this issue.
the GOP is not leading on this issue.
the GOP is not leading on this issue.
because when you have a depression the 1st thing to do is stand up for the “rights” of illegal aliens children. oh yea.
That’s really the long and short of it.
There is a massive, ongoing economic downturn. At this moment you lead by prioritizing.
If he were interested in their votes, it would be a net loss. All he’s interested in, however, is their union dues. And whaddya know? He’s already got their money!
File this under: Scott Walker may have just saved the labor movement from itself.
This issue was simmering long before the depression.
And what “rights” have these illegals been granted?
oh and “gay marriage and contraceptives and..”
I await Jack Goldsmith’s scathing book on the extra-legal Obama executive power grab.
Not.
And what “rights” have these illegals been granted?
dude baracky be giving DEM work permits. they are illegal aliens and don’t have such “rights” under current law.
My position on gay marriage falls back to civil unions and i personally do not wish to see contraceptives banned but i don’t see where religious organizations should be required to provide them if it goes against their creed.
Too Proggy?
Look on the bright side.
Posse Comitatus? Never heard of it.
How fast do you suppose the 82 Airborne could build a fence from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico? Would they build faster if the 2nd Marine Division was building from the opposite shore?
Is a work permit a right ?
John Yoo:
I think this is all part of having all of us, legal, extra-legal, illegal end up with national identity cards. Not SSN, those are easy to steal. It’ll be part of a database somewhere in the bowels of Washington.
Agency dibs to be determined at a later date.
My position on
meh. it comes back to you. me be interested in the baracky’s slimy attempts to try to cover up his scoamf status.
Ernst i heard the border fence was being held up due to epa regulations.
Are you asking if a work permit is a right while unemployment for our actual citizens competing in those sectors are between 1980 and ’40s levels?
This isn’t the late ’90s and these aren’t programmers.
Is a work permit a right ?
how about health care?
No problem. There’s an executive order for that.
Or you fail by it.
is between
My subjects and verbs are having constant disagreements lately.
Is a work permit a right ?
yea if the executive branch thinks that it can establish new “rights” by ignoring existing laws.
Last time i had a work permit was when i was 14.
I don’t see it as a right.
The fact is i don’t see these offspring as being illegal immigrants, i can see them as being accessories to the illegal immigration under mitigating circumstances. Did they have a choice? Probably as much as i did when the family moved from PA to CA then to GA.
Perhaps we could address this when it mattered more then, BT.
Right now we have problems to deal with.
Right you are, they didn’t (mostly) have a choice. Which is why their fate is so closely attached to their parents, who ‘decide’ for them as children as of the rights of parents. Putting the parents in the position of responsibility for placing their children into an illegal stance with regard to a nation which is not their own. Bummer, dude.
The fact is i don’t see these offspring as being illegal immigrants, i can see them as being accessories to the illegal immigration under mitigating circumstances. Did they have a choice?
mr. bt, ivy league losers and their apologists:
sorry the little children can go back to sweet home mexico with their parents. stuff it with the “for the children” bs.
Far as I’m concerned, anything and everything is for discussion.
AFTER we get our border under control.
hey bt
you be getting us off of discussing baracky’s depression. why is that?
mr. bt should post on “otb” blog. some fine rino/dino action.
I have no problem deporting the parents, once the offspring are no longer legally minors, if that is what the public wants.
Truth be told i’m ambivalent about the whole thing, much like enforcement or non enforcement of pot laws.
Romney is handling this extremely well so far
someone needs to buy Steve King some adult diapers though
Hey newrouter,
I didn’t take control of your keyboard so i didn’t get you off discussing obamas depression. Take responsibility for your own actions, why dontcha. victimhood doesn’t look good on you.
Why wouldn’t the former minor illegal alien now come of age, say reaching 18 or 19 years and certainly those beyond that, be thought capable of making a proper decision to bring himself or herself into compliance both with the laws of their own nation, that is, the nation in which they possess citizenship as of birthright, and the nation upon which they find themselves imposing as an unwanted illegal guest or sojourner? They surely could be brought to see the reason of placing themselves into accord and out of conflict with the laws of these two nations, could they not? And they could choose of their own devising to return from whence they came? This might even look like the action of a free man or woman. Yes?
Yes.
I have no problem deporting the parents, once the offspring are no longer legally minors
“outside the beltway” stupid. sorry pal the us gov’t isn’t responsible for their effin kids. deport all illegals like mexico do.
we should have a workshop where the illegal immigrant kids can journal about the new initiative and where they see themselves in 5, 10 and 20 years
Hey newrouter,
I didn’t take control of your keyboard so i didn’t get you
go for for it president straw man burning.
We can imagine other scenarios to see if this seems to be a horrifying proposition.
Okay, I fly into Germany with my hugely pregnant girlfriend. She gives birth the next day. Do any of us think that as Americans we should — rightly and properly — assert that the three of us have any claim on staying in Germany for the next 18 years?
It’s nonsense on stilts.
I mean that. It’s utter and complete nonsense.
we should have a workshop where the illegal immigrant kids can journal
about the dysfunction in mexico so that the “dream act” becomes lindsey grahams and johnnymacs and marcorubio’s wetbackDream.
sdferr, my guess is that the process of taking advantage of this immunity from deportation requires some sort of proactive registration, at which point they are doing what you asked of them to do. Stand up, declare themselves in violation and throw themselves on the mercy of the court and if unsuccessful packing their bags and heading home to the motherland
or is my response off topic?
but if you did stay in the land of the germanic peoples it wouldn’t be little heimlich’s fault hey did you know the germans invented kindergarten?
Why are you hiding mr and mrs illegal alien, and your children along with you?
Oh, cause we’re breaking the laws of this country but we don’t want to stop doing that for our own selfish reasons, so we sneak around so as not to be caught and stopped. Simple. We don’t give a flying crap about the laws around here. We just want the good things we can get out of the joint, the rest of you be damned.
Lots of things aren’t little Heimlich’s fault.
this is not the dream act exactly Mr. newrouter nobody gets citizenship they just don’t get sent to a violence-riddled socialist whorestate they get to stay in our one
what’s the mexican drug cartel’s stance on gay marriage bt?
gay marriage is legal in mexico city for sure i read it on the internet
Does Germany have the equivalent 14th Amendment?
Maybe we should redo the 14th here.
they’re very progressive
Stand up, declare themselves in violation and throw themselves on the mercy of the court and if unsuccessful packing their bags and heading home to the motherland
yes the “constitutional scholar baracky” goes for the kids not the parents. what a loser you are bt. otb material.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not, BT.
Are you being serious?
NR my guess is that cartel folks would be against it. I think they still play que es mas macho there.
gay marriage is legal in mexico city for sure i read it on the internet
how about mexico’s immigration laws??????? ???????????
mexico fuck yeah!
“Stand up, declare themselves in violation and throw themselves on the mercy of the court and if unsuccessful packing their bags and heading home to the motherland”
Ha, besides that there won’t necessarily be a court, they’d be pretty stupid to comply with that idea, if they have any sense at all of the ease with which the next administration can wave the executive fiat wand to cancel the earlier fiat waving, and have them on record for rounding up to boot!
Bad bad ju-ju, executive orders, bad ju-ju. See Daniels, day 1: Public union decertification.
One very good reason that infants don’t reside in nations their parents were vacationing in during their birth is that their parents aren’t citizens.
Strange, yes?
Do these infants have jobs? Houses?
Oh, they don’t? Perhaps we should just allow their parents to reside here as well then until they reach maturity.
Nonsense on stilts. Total nonsense.
bh
part of the problem of illegal immigration is the anchor baby phenomena as a direct result of the 14th. Citizens at birth.
do we deport the parents of the American citizen bambino?
my problem is i am trying to reconcile between the baby born here and the baby two weeks old smuggled across the border.
So then i stuff all the empathy inside and say fuck it shoot them all and then i feel guilty and then i start over again.
NR my guess is that cartel folks would be against it.
yea well tough turds to the illegals kids. you’ll go back to effen’ country. i don’t give a eff about “the children™(communist party)”
sdferr you don’t think all those elligiblr for this action aren’t on record somewhere as being undocumented? i’d start with the school systems first.
Citizens at birth.
so the swedish ambassador and his wife are making american citizens. go away with your flimsy arguments.
If leftists even remotely gave a shit about that cesspool, then shipping back a bunch of their cartoonishly idealized/Americanized young wets would be Mexico’s greatest hope for the future.
Citizens at birth.
that be imperialism
I’ve no reason to quibble over whether records exist or no, but then, that isn’t the point anyhow. The point is that this seeming generous gesture of our current Emperor can be dismissed just as soon as this Emperor is gone. Poof, up in smoke. Easy-peasy, as the saying goes. So the illegal aliens’ worries aren’t over by a long shot.
I don’t do that myself. It wouldn’t even follow. I rather like our Latino friends and their ninos.
Puppies die. Ice cream cones fall. Lots and lots of terrible things happen to little kids. Incentivizing their parents to become illegal aliens doesn’t do much to help the human condition.
Get the economy turned around and we can do things about this. Until then we’re going to have to resign ourselves to having the same immigration policy as the rest of the world.
you’re a dreamer Mr. Froman I like that about you
mexico
That wasn’t dreaming. That was sarcasm. The little brown people aren’t my problem. I don’t even think I’ve ever heard one of the fuckers speak around here. They just keep their heads down and work hard.
The simple fact is that this problem has been ongoing for decades and no one on either side has the appetite to fix it. and all the pandering is simply that, pandering.
Obama won’t pick up any more hispanic votes than he already has with this and will likely lose them, because as nr frequently points out we must concentrate on the Obama depression. And legal hispanic immigrants need jobs too.
link fail bt like whatever it is you are arguing
BT, I see where you are coming from and where you are trying to go with this. However, you are thinking about this from a compassionate pov. The anchor baby problem has been just that for many years and is a corruption of the 14th, especially when pregnant women come here purposefully to give birth as has been shown to be the case time and time again.
The very act of committing a crime in order that one can stake a claim to a new life in a new land by having a child(ren) here is wrong. Bad as things are in the motherland, back they must go. This isn’t an area for an EO or hasty, feel-good legislation. The costs to the taxpayers are enormous in education, government aid, lost revenue (no taxes and monies sent back ‘home’) etc. We cannot afford a rash move like this.
they’re nice I have a friend named Juan he works hard and keeps my office building running smoothly to where there’s always room for more used paper towels in the bathroom waste basket he likes to do special favors for NG so when I needed boxes for my move I had her ask and he hooked her up with tons of those cool mac boxes with the super-sturdy handles
good old juan
“They just keep their heads down and work hard.”
Amen
yes Mr. BT gets it I think
this is just one of those issues one or the other parties is always using to pander to their base instead of worrying about for reals problems
There is something to that notion though Abe (cleaning up the southern cesspool of corruption). People learn stuff as they adapt to whatever conditions they’re living in, so it sort of stands to reason that returning Mexicans would take their new found learnings, not to mention expectations and desires, back to the mother country, there to infect her with something of the gringos’ world. Pity. (he said in a sarcastic attempt at sounding like a granola cruncher)
The simple fact is that this problem has been ongoing for decades and no one on either side has the appetite to fix it. and all the pandering is simply that, pandering.
mr. ace
One of the most frustrating thing about the politically unaware is their unchanging belief that Something must be done! (all attempts to panic the public into agreeing that Something Must Be Done! are directed at this cohort), but they have little idea of what, specifically, should be done. Something. You know, something. Something must be done, why are you not getting this?
One thing many conservatives never acknowledge is that, ultimately, a successful candidate must agree with this cohort that Something Must Be Done. They cannot be argued out of this position; they’ve held it all their lives. It’s not merely a belief, it’s an article of faith.
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mexico
So whats your point nr, that there is an appetite to fix the problem but those with the hunger simply are incompetent?
So whats your point nr
i don’t want a new american people for the harvard et al loser elites.
Wait, is this now a question over whether or not our southern friends work hard and keep their heads down?
If I said I thought this was clearly the proper mode of analysis, would you be able to tell how sarcastic I was?
Nonsense.
Total nonsense.
“Get the economy turned around and we can do things about this. Until then we’re going to have to resign ourselves to having the same immigration policy as the rest of the world.” You are positive about that? ‘Cause I see the ICE busses with bars on the windows hauling illegals out of here two or three times a week.
“The costs to the taxpayers are enormous in education, government aid, lost revenue (no taxes and monies sent back ‘home’) etc.” And they already game the welfare system. I’ve seen it done.
In El Salvador the streets have huge billboards advertising money transfers from the U.S., nowhere else. Remittances are their single largest source of revenue. Third largest in Mexico. The thing about all that cash going back to Mexico and Central America, is that it gets mixed into the cash from the cartels, making the laundering much easier.
willie nelson is just good people
“Wait, is this now a question over whether or not our southern friends work hard and keep their heads down?”
No it is an acknowledgement that what abe has observed mirrors my observations.
Here’s the thing about glorifying our southern friends as first rate workers and citizens: it’s proof positive that you don’t actually know more than a couple servants.
Is this some sort of noble savage thing?
Nah, as strange as it might sound our southern friends are people. Which means their ma is a hard worker and their dad drinks too much and their little brother is retarded and their sister is hot as shit and your buddy is mainly just funny rather than a hard-working, meek servant.
Nonsense.
Utter nonsense.
BT and you both would be wrong. Some are some are not. You should get out more often.
Don’t know who you’re talking to, Gulermo.
“Is this some sort of noble savage thing?” Why yes, yes it is.
“and their sister is hot as shit ” Until she hits 17 or 18 that is. (Mexican) Ticas and Colombianas on the other hand….
BT and Abe.
I’m not sure what bh is going on about. I wasn’t making a case for Mexicans to stay here. Just noting that the ones we have in New York are preferable to the likes of Puerto Ricans, and we couldn’t get rid of them if we wanted to.
Thanks, Gulermo.
“Here’s the thing about glorifying our southern friends as first rate workers and citizens: it’s proof positive that you don’t actually know more than a couple servants.
Is this some sort of noble savage thing?”
That’s a bit presumptuous, isn’t it?
Last week, two new homes were being roofed. I could observe the progress from the back porch when i took a smoke break. One group was Hispanic the other Anglo. i could tell by the competing radio stations. The Hispanic group finished about an hour ahead of the Anglos.
Anecdotal sure, but what i saw.
Then there was the operations department for a toner company i managed. Crew was hispanic. On time, over quota.
Or the work crew i hired to do a basement dig. Again head down shoulder to the grindstone. Paid by the job so it made sense to do it that way.
I wasn’t talking about your observation, Abe. I was talking about BT’s “Amen” and hf’s “BT gets it”.
Saying the ones you observe work hard and keep their heads down is different than saying this is a meaningful observation.
Because it isn’t.
IMO the primary reason the countries to the South are shithole are because of the illegals here. That is an IMMENSE amount of talent that leaves and then they send cash back that, in turn, supports the assholes that make their country a third world shithole in the first place.
it’s just like the parable of the mustard seed except instead of Heaven it’s America and the wee mexican children get to nest in our branches
I’m saying, BT, that if your experience with Latinos is that overwhelming positive they don’t seem much like humans to me.
And I say that with love in my heart.
bh i doubt hf was saying i get it because i said amen to abe, but he can answer for himself.
And the work ethic of observed Hispanics doesn’t play into whether Obama is overstepping. Not sure why you linked the two.
“I’m saying, BT, that if your experience with Latinos is that overwhelming positive they don’t seem much like humans to me.”
Are you saying they are super human or sub human?
“it’s just like the parable of the mustard seed except instead of Heaven it’s America and the wee mexican children get to nest in our branches” Except that it is not. While that nice guy “juan” that stole those boxes for you is stealing those boxes for you; who is tending his country? Steal your own damn boxes.
BT gets how cynical and wholly political Obama is being
it’s silly to take this seriously as immigration policy when it’s just the whims of a desperate pandering piece of shit trying to win election to the fucking presidency of a doomed little country what flushed its prosperity and its honor down the fucking toilet many many moons ago
we weren’t stealing boxes there’s an extra room on the fifth floor where Juan and the other guy put useful-looking boxes for when tenants need to move out or whatever
they are a resourceful people
Yes, I could be wrong on hf’s BT gets it.
Of course, it’s not like hf constantly paints our southern friends in this manner. Time after time after time. No, it’s exactly like that.
And, no, I don’t think your observations of work crews plays into Obama overstepping. Yet, this was worth an amen, I guess.
In case this seems strange, it’s probably worth mentioning that we weren’t talking about how good Germans are with engineering. No, it was about the work ethic of people Obama is illegally extending work permits to.
people who come here cause they want to be here beat the shit out of scads of homegrown white trash piggy piggy union sluts and goddamn greedy teacher whores and stupid corrupt policefags
I wrote it in English and didn’t imply either of those.
You’re pissing me off here, btw.
Americans are greedy cowardly food stamper slobs anymore, mostly
we need new blood
Dare we say that hf gets it and maybe these noble savages could lend us a hand here?
The hardly seems human threw me off. And as far as I knew these people were legal.
We need more noble savages from Asia, and roughly zero from Tacolandia.
to them I say bienvenidos you have a bold and humble spirit mi amigo let us work together to build an America what we can maybe someday be proud of
“ok senor,” they will say, and then break into festive song, as they are wont to do.
And i certainly did not intend to piss you off. My apologies if i did.
“we need new blood”
That was my winning campaign slogan
Cheers, BT. It’s good then.
It’s possible I had a bit of sand in my vagina for a couple seconds there.
“people who come here cause they want to be here beat the shit out of scads of homegrown white trash piggy piggy union sluts and goddamn greedy teacher whores and stupid corrupt policefags” Bulldust. They have NO respect for any rule of law. Not their laws and certainly not yours. I live 24/7 within Latin culture. I live it. I breathe it. All day; everyday and I still believe you don’t have a clue.
“It’s possible I had a bit of sand in my vagina for a couple seconds there.”
Didn’t Dice Clay do a routine about that?
most of our laws are fucking gay anymore
“most of our laws are fucking gay anymore” I don’t know you well enough to analyse your problems, but IMO you have some issues you need to work on. Refresh my memory. Aren’t you the guy that was complaining about the yutes that robbed you of your work blackberry? Be careful what you wish for.
it was more just a funny anecdote really cause of how the dimbulb sheriff’s department douche found JD’s number in my berry and called him
and if you can’t name 20 stupefyingly gay laws in 10 minutes you’re just not trying very hard
I will tell you the same thing I tell my Tico friends, you live in a Democracy, elections have consequences.
flesh-eating bacteria have consequences too as well as non-isolated over-eating events and the inability of some people who would someday like to retire to appreciate the power of compound interest
also, robot vacuums with laser beams
Elections normally have consequences, but happyfeet is a bisexual when it comes to what he believes are gay laws.
Imma Outta Heyaaa!
i don’t even know what that means Mr. Abe I do not like gay laws in a box I do not like them with a fox
It means that you’re a fringe leftist assclown and a self-described staunch conservative, so on the topic of laws what are gay, you’re pretty much a dirty bisexual. Or something.
The very act of committing a crime in order that one can stake a claim to a new life in a new land by having a child(ren) here is wrong.
The very act of committing a crime by staking a claim to a new life in a new land by having a child(ren) here is wrong.
See what I did there?
Illegal immigrants can not legally join the US military so either BT comrades in arms were legal immigrants or they lied to join and were not caught. Not the type of person I would want watching my back.
It’s not the kid’s fault that their US parents don’t do a myriad of things that cause the kids to suffer but they do. Illegal immigrant children are no different.
This is over reach and it is a shame that only one congressman is considering doing something. As I stated on another thread I let my elected officials know about it however since congress has yet to do anything about any of this administration’s overreach I am sure they will give it all the consideration they think its due.
Lastly, it’s a shame the yellow caricature as to scribble drivel all over this site.
Gulermo —
Your first hand reports and the fact that you live and operate in a country feeding illegals into the US and pulling money out if it, pales in comparison to the way hf and others just know that the “Latins” are hard working noble savages who just yearn to live free — and are willing to break the law to do it.
Listen: I’ve said before that if I were in the situation some poor in other countries find themselves in, I’d probably try to sneak across the border, too, if I couldn’t get into the country legally. Which doesn’t mean I haven’t broken the law of the country I want in to.
Hell, I want in to Elle McPherson’s bedroom — and once there, I promise to work hard to keep her satisfied and cooing. And I really really really really want to be there. Saying that she can’t kick me out is kinda ridiculous — though hell, if this is the route we as a country want to start going down, watch out, Elle! I’ma service the shit out of you, honey, whether you like it or not!
Partly right: the problem is a direct result of a reading of the 14th by courts that is clearly ridiculous, given that the 14th obtained to the recently freed slaves and etc., and was never ever ever intended — note that word! — to be given the subsequent latitude it’s been given by judicial activists. It’s become the “civil rights” Commerce Clause for manipulative lefties.
And the only way that’s been allowed to happen is that we’ve allowed what it means to interpret to get away from us — systemically, institutionally, and so on.
I had a very public debate over that very issue with several folks, including some on the right. They are all very popular sites now, with big time readerships and lots of connections inside the conservative online firmament. They win awards and pick up allies and sponsors and their reputations shine bright! Me, I run a fringe backwater.
But I was fucking right.
But that’s no fair, laying the blame at the feet of the parents.
Because I’ve heard they work hard hammering in roof tile. And that apparently buys them a lot of forgiveness.
This is the understandably human response, one I happen to share.
But the fact is, we can’t as a nation afford the outcome of the incentives we’ve created. So the first thing is to control the border. Were that done — and our fed govt to show itself willing to enforce current immigration law — many of the other problems re: illegals would be ameliorated.
But there can be now backdoor DREAM Act — or an EO claiming that some laws don’t need to be followed — if we wish to retain the claim to living in a (still partially) free democratic republic. When the rule of law becomes entirely arbitrary, it is no longer the rule of law. It is the rule of prosecutorial discretion.
“Listen: I’ve said before that if I were in the situation some poor in other countries find themselves in, I’d probably try to sneak across the border, too, if I couldn’t get into the country legally.” And the SOB’s that make your beautiful country a third world sh**hole get to continue to make you beautiful country a third world s**thole. Mexico’s propblems will never be solved by the U.S. siphoning off a third of their workforce.
“Because I’ve heard they work hard hammering in roof tile. And that apparently buys them a lot of forgiveness.” Only if it’s your roof tiles.
“The fact is i don’t see these offspring as being illegal immigrants,” They are NOT immigrants, they are invaders and if you had the b**ls to ask, they will tell you as much. Passive-aggressive much? Someone once refered to this as the soft bigotry of low expectations.
We have a sort of tyranny disguised as a rule of sentimentality, a situation made possible by the cultivation of thoughtlessness. Of course the techniques work to enable the power grabs, but the outcomes don’t, at least, that is, from the ‘discovered’ (which is to say, newfound) point of view of those who have been manipulated to acquiesce in the surrender of their reason to their ‘feelings’ once they see the ‘policy’ was a bag of shit all along.
“intended — note that word!” Maybe you should consider a copyright? Seem to work for a computer company and some kind of fruit.
“Seem to work for a computer company and some kind of fruit.”
Ha! You put me in mind of IBM [THINK], which seemed to work right up until they didn’t (think). I don’t recall a copyright being involved though.
Apple vs Apple.
“Me, I run a fringe backwater.” The center of the maelstrom is never shallow.
“But I was fucking right.” At least you have that going for you. Not as good as death-bed total conscieneness, but beggars can’t be choosers. It may not be what you want or need, but all that is to be had at this point.
It could have been worse, I guess. You could have been wrong, as well.
For the record.”country feeding illegals into the US “, Costaricensas do not generally illegally enter the U.S as they have reasonably a stable Liberal Democracy, (Classical Liberal), and a somewhat sound economic base. No place is perfect, but as countries go, this one is a good one.
I have been to many of the countries in Central and South America and the probablem the U.S. faces is endemic to many of them. None of those countries manage their illegal problem by ignoring it.
Whose dreams are we talking about in this over-reaching DREAM act of executive over-reach? Obviously, the Panderer in Chief’s dreams of a second term.
College students? I’d like to see some hard numbers on that one. Just anecdotely, I can look through my high school yearbooks from the middle 70’s and as the years progress there are fewer and fewer Mexican kids pictured until Senior year when there are a handful. I realize this example is remote in time, but in visiting my family in California in the summers since, I still see young pregnant Mexican girls pushing babies in strollers when they should be still in high school.
The biggest problem is that we already have an under-class of unskilled/semi-skilled illiterate or at least unlettered indigenous people (hillbillies, rednecks, inner city yoots) who could easily do the work these free-loaders are supposedly flocking here to do. If we had the borders teaming with surgeons, engineers and other skilled workers, we could talk asylum, not amnesty.
Then there is the language barrier and the refusal to assimilate into the larger culture. In any other country in the developed world (Europe for instance), school children are not catered to in their native language. They are sent to school were they learn the language of their new country. The fact that we feel we must cater to Spanish speakers adds exponentially to the costs of public education by having to hire bilingual teachers. We have graduated (when they get that far) kids who have spent the bulk of their school years not learning the language, manners, mores and customs of our country and further feel they don’t need to.
“I still see young pregnant Mexican girls pushing babies in strollers when they should be still in high school.” Very common in Central America.It isn’t the high school boys that are making said babies. Here it is againest the law to have sex with minors. How do I know? When you enter the country they post posters and signage informing you of that fact. What is left out is that they don’t prosecute the locals for the same crime. My niece had her baby at 14 and the baby-daddy was early twenties. BIL and SIL raise her, (the baby), as a third child.
as long as Team R keeps on making this election about the economy they’ll be fine I think and unless Romney picks Steve King as his running mate American hispanics are not gonna go out of their way to save Obama’s job-killing ass
“The biggest problem is that we already have an under-class of unskilled/semi-skilled illiterate or at least unlettered indigenous people (hillbillies, rednecks, inner city yoots) who could easily do the work these free-loaders are supposedly flocking here to do.” But they will clean your office and steal boxes for you when you have to move, so at least someone gets something of value in return. Bh sayes they are all crackerjack at roof tile laying, so that’s also a plus in their column.
“American hispanics ” They are not Hispanos. Get with the program. Go ask them. Many are insulted by the term, as in they have NO Hispanic blood.
Yes, Gulermo. It is the same here. Twenty something boys getting very young girls, some as young as eleven or twelve pregnant and the parents or most likely, the grandmother, is left to raise the baby.
and I never said they were noble savages Mr. Jeff I said they’re better than whole hordes of useless tv-swilling food stamper Americans we grow here at home – and it’s true
Don’t take my word on this. Go ask “juan”. For every “juan” you can produce, I will produce ten “julios” that WILL cut your throat for dis-respecting them.
They are not Hispanos.
who cares? This is all a political ploy to coax American hispanics to vote for Obama’s ass so he can viciously rape our economy for four more years.
It’s a tricksy ploy cause Obama has the moral high ground while Republicans look like bigoty hatey morons. Again.
But that can’t be helped.
Romney is so far doing a good job on this one though.
That is heartening.
“and it’s true” Argument by assertion. Assumes evidence, not proven.
My fear Gulermo, is that this action of Obama’s is going to further emboldent the criminal element of La Raza and the other Mexicans who fancy themselves to be latter day conquistadors. Gangland shootings, home invasions and the like are at an unacceptable level already.
Unfortunately, my elderly mother lives very near to where two rival Mexican Mafia gangs are having a turf war. The police are hamstrung and are themselves targets of the gangs.
“who cares?” You should and I do. You are factually in error and as such in-accuate.
If anyone had been personalizing it before you brought it up, your comment would not have been irrelevant. See how that works?
‘is that this action of Obama’s is going to further emboldent the criminal element of La Raza and the other Mexicans who fancy themselves to be latter day conquistadors. Gangland shootings, home invasions and the like are at an unacceptable level already.” One more time, for the cheap seats. On some level ALL mexicans feel that what the U.S. has is their rightful inheritance. Don’t believe me, ask one. Case in point; Argentina and the FalklandS.
“criminal element of La Raz” Oxymoron. The U.S. is a country founded on a system of LAWS. If someone seizes your property, you go to court and legally take it back. You don’t use the law to seize something, to which, you have no legitmate claim.
You don’t use the law to seize something, to which, you have no legitmate claim.
Precisely. It’s too bad our president doesn’t seem to know anything about the law.
I said they’re better than whole hordes of useless tv-swilling food stamper Americans we grow here at home – and it’s true
Snobbery works better when your entire audience doesn’t look down on you.
I said they’re better than whole hordes of useless tv-swilling food stamper Americans we grow here at home –
Why? Importing more lazy foodstampers who have lots of babies on public assistance hardly seems like a step in the right direction.
it’s not snobbery it’s just true – the American character is not diminished by the addition of these kids to its workforce and its schools it’s reduced by their exclusion – most of them are as American as you and me, and a damn sight more American than foodstampers and union whores
leigh this is not about importing more people it’s about what we do with the kids that have already grown up here
Assertion monkey asserts.
I assert like a banshee what do you want me to do quote a fucking study?
Last year I went to a naturalization party for one of my friend’s cousins. The chick is a dancer who has been in the country since she was 14. Leaving aside the fact that she’s very pretty and speaks pretty flawless English, – hence the right kind of new American – the happiness on her face for having earned something after all these years with no sense of entitlement whatsoever was hard not to notice. I wouldn’t put dirty wetbacks who smuggle their yucky culture in here and raise yucky entitled babies in the same class.
most of them are as American as you and me, and a damn sight more American than foodstampers and union whores
No, they are illegal aliens. They are sucking up benefits like your BIL at an open bar. They don’t pay taxes and they send their money back to Mexico. They are a bunch of Mexican Fagans, picking our pockets.
but anyway this desperate ploy only works if Team R takes the bait and so far Mr. Governor Romney is doing a good job staying focused on the economy
but how does “Fox News Latino” spin their AP article on it?
Romney Fights for Attention After Obama Immigration Announcement
If the whole idea is to give little Jose or Maria a better life than he or she could expect in Mexico, Mom would sneak over the border, leave the wee one at the fire station or the police station (no questions asked in most states) then hightail it back over the border.
But, it isn’t. The idea is to get the whole family over here, piecemeal if need be, and kick back in their Section 8 housing and watch cable and grill carne asada.
“Why? Importing more lazy foodstampers who have lots of babies on public assistance hardly seems like a step in the right direction.”
True story. I stood behind two Salvadoenos in the checkout line in a Walmart one evening the last time I was in the U.S One older one, (I’ll call him “juan” for the sake of convience and coherance), was explaining to “julio” how to separate the foodstuff from the liquor and tabbaco products en Espanol. It seems “juan” has 4, (that’s FOUR), children born in the U.S. Does “juan” have one of those jobs that the “piggy, white-trash” americans won’t do? Why no, in fact, “juan” has no job, at all. “juan” lives on the largess of the U.S. taxpayer, (which some could construe to be one mister”feets”) You see, “juan” was educating “julio” in the proper procedure so that “julio” could succeed in the land of dreams., just as “juan” has done. “juan paid more than $100.00 for his beer and smokes and mister “feets” paid more than $300.00 for his share of the edibles.The kicker? They went out and got into a new diesel powered four-door Ford pick-up. Is this a wonderful country or what?
The idea leigh is to get Team R all slavering with spic-hate for so hispanics will get energized to vote for Obama.
Spics are Puerto Rican, happy.
Focusing on the economy is going to inevitably bring the question of amnesty to the table.
“Why do you hate the American Worker, Mr. President?”
“Spics are Puerto Rican, happy.” I have a long-time friend that would dis-agree. Latinos is a more descriptive noun, as it reflects all peoles that speak la Lengua de Madre.
peoples
Regardless, Gulermo, Puerto Ricans are citizens and the same cannot be said of our
invadersneighbors to the South.Article II section 1,
Article II section 3,
Well there’s your problem.
he’s an America-hating economy raper Mr. geoff of course he wants to remove this “faithfully executed laws” idea from what people perceive as the proper functioning of the state
even obamawhores in academia know that
here this is helpful for to clarify exactly where the floutings are happening
it’s the green cardings part what is mostest illegal apparently
The noble savage bug bit you hard.
Probably that crying Indian commercial. That fucked a lot of kids up — even though it turned out the Indian was just a dago shining us all on. Probably threw his cannoli bag on the ground after the shoot and had a good laugh about it with his teamster buddies.
Only to those predisposed to think laws don’t matter and we have no right to protect our borders, or keep our tax monies for ourselves.
There are less of those than you think — and most of them are already leftists anyway.
What the left has done has gotten people like you, happy, to do their work for them. Fuck laws — let’s shame people who are so worried about appearances that they’ll shoot themselves in the foot in order to fit the stump into a fashionable shoe.
— assuming none of them are useless tv-swilling food stamper illegals. Which you do. Because noble savage.
Gulermo seems to have missed the sarcasm in my roof tiles remark.
respectfully I think you’re falling into the trap of making rather more of this than it deserves really
it’s just a ploy is all
“The smart play is to emphasize the law and not denigrate the offspring who are here only because of the dreams of their fathers.”
Probably would have been better off posting a song from Steely Dan
Yes, it’s a ploy. It’s a naked power grab at its finest. Seldom seen in captivity, let alone on national television. Notice that the alphabet networks have been rattling the bones of Watergate for the last few days (“It was even worse than we thought!”) in an attempt to make us look over there and overlook the fact that the president just violated the USC.
They can’t even find the usual supects to defend him. All the Z teamers are out blathering about jobs and #winning! They sound like Charlie Sheen before he sobered up. These are the same people who put Chuck Colson in prison for a year for stealing ONE file and they’re perfectly fine with this.
“Gulermo seems to have missed my sarcasm of my roof tiles remark.” second tap to make certain. Target rich environment and all that. It is great what you can learn here at Protein Wisdom. I can decide which laws are applicable to me just by whether they are “faggy” or not. Quien Saben?
Two forms of governance. Rule of LAW and rule of personality, (Man). Remind me once again, to which we owe our fealty.
I think we’re on the same side, Gulermo.
Look at the original post. Now, happyfeet, on the otherhand — who is STAUNCH! — never fails to adopt the language, arguments, and attitudes of the left in order to try to shame those on the right who are not quite so STAUNCH as he.
But we’re all pretty used to that by now.
“never fails to adopt the language, arguments, and attitudes of the left” Left, right, he is mostly just plain wrong. Some issues don’t have sides, no matter how much you want it to be different. La la la, I can’t hear you, will only take you so far in this life. My Dad used to say: “Sitting on the fence, leaves you with barbed wire in the ass.”
Gotta go, family is downstairs. We lost a new baby last week. Matias was seven months en eutero. I was waiting for him, but we will never know him. Adios mi poqatito companero.
Speaking of Watergate here is a WHI take on what really
happened
Served with the customary grain of salt
Speaking of Watergate here is a WHI LIKE take on what really
Condolences Gulermo
Thanks for that link BT. I’ll have to look into adding that one to my two main goto books concerning Watergate, Silent Coup and Secret Agenda which each tackle different aspects.
My heart goes out to you and your family Gulermo on your loss.
Will light a candle for Matias tomorrow. I’m so sorry for your loss, Gulermo.
My deepest condolences, Gulermo.
Speaking of Watergate here is a WHI take on what really
happened
kinda of works with baracky’s past
And so it goes
This, Ladies and Gents, is the definition of today’s “bipartisanship.”
Condolences on the loss of Matias, Gulermo. God loves the little ones.