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PERISH the thought we’d ever advocate firing or not hiring men with stay-at-home wives … [Darleen Click]

… but [nudge nudge wink wink] you know they do stand in the way of the Gender Revolution

In this article, we examine a heretofore neglected pocket of resistance to the gender revolution in the workplace: married male employees who have stay-at-home wives. We develop and empirically test the theoretical argument suggesting that such organizational members, compared to male employees in modern marriages, are more likely to exhibit attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors that are harmful to women in the workplace. To assess this hypothesis, we conducted four studies with a total of 718 married, male participants. We found that employed husbands in traditional marriages, compared to those in modern marriages, tend to (a) view the presence of women in the workplace unfavorably, (b) perceive that organizations with higher numbers of female employees are operating less smoothly, (c) find organizations with female leaders as relatively unattractive, and (d) deny, more frequently, qualified female employees opportunities for promotion. The consistent pattern of results found across multiple studies employing multiple methods and samples demonstrates the robustness of the findings. We discuss the theoretical and practical import of our findings and suggest directions for future research.

What “harm” to women in the workplace is never really explained within the 51 pages of this “study”.

Of course, to counter this horrible bigotry arising from the idea that “women and men are fundamentally and innately different in skills and interests” and, therefore, women are not ‘choosing’ properly according to Gender Revolution standards …

Often, these differences are viewed as real, leading women to freely choose options that are not equality enhancing.

, the authors propose:

So what is an organization to do? The answer according to Kalev, Dobbin, and Kelly (2006) is to establish responsibility for diversity. This advice was a product of their analyses of federal data describing the workforces of 708 private sector establishments from 1971 to 2002, coupled with survey data on their employment practices. According to Kalev et al., responsibility can entail (1) assigning accountability for setting diversity goals, devising means to achieve those goals, and valuating progress, (2) appointing full-time staff members or creating diversity committees or task forces, comprised of people from different departments, professional backgrounds and management levels to overseeing diversity initiatives, brainstorming to identify remedies, and monitoring progress.

Let the committees decide who they need to get rid of to achieve those sacrosanct diversity goals. If the disparate impact happens to fall on “traditional” families?

Who said you’re allowed your own choice, resistor? Get that wife into a full time job and let the Benevolent State raise your kids. Or else.

h/t Dr. Helen

103 Replies to “PERISH the thought we’d ever advocate firing or not hiring men with stay-at-home wives … [Darleen Click]”

  1. Crawford says:

    Often, these differences are viewed as real, leading women to freely choose options that are not equality enhancing.

    Translation: “this misguided fools hold opinions in variance with the Enlightened, and act upon their errors in ways that we disapprove”.

  2. LBascom says:

    We develop and empirically test the theoretical argument suggesting that such organizational members, compared to male employees in modern marriages, are more likely to exhibit attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors that are harmful to women in the workplace.

    What about the kids? Which is better for them, the “traditional”, or the “modern” marriage.

    Personally, I think it’s best to get all modern after the kids hit their teenage years.

    I know, I’m a pig…

  3. Darleen says:

    What about the kids?

    Hand ’em over to the State.

  4. sdferr says:

    What ‘harm’. . . ”

    Breathing.

  5. Blake says:

    Darleen, does the “study” dare to actually cite what the authors believe constitute harmful behavior toward women?

    I know, I know, this”‘study” is most likely 51 pages of anecdotes and assertions passed off as scientific rigor.

  6. leigh says:

    We develop and empirically test the theoretical argument suggesting that such organizational members, compared to male employees in modern marriages, are more likely to exhibit attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors that are harmful to women in the workplace. To assess this hypothesis, we conducted four studies with a total of 718 married, male participants.

    Clearly, this study is biased as SS couples are not part of the sample.

  7. Crawford says:

    Darleen, the “harm” is listed in the paragraph you quoted:

    (a) view the presence of women in the workplace unfavorably,
    (b) perceive that organizations with higher numbers of female employees are operating less smoothly,
    (c ) find organizations with female leaders as relatively unattractive, and
    (d) deny, more frequently, qualified female employees opportunities for promotion

    Note that three of those are opinions and one would be against the law if it were provable. So it’s not just the women who choose to stay at home who commit Thought Crimes.

  8. leigh says:

    I’ll go ahead and throw myself under the bus; I hate working with women. They call in sick more, they spend too much time on the phone on non-business related matters, they can’t leave their personal problems at home, they carry a grudge, they cry and expect you to feel sorry for them, et cetera.

    This is of course, my opinion, backed up with many years of empirical observation.

  9. Abe Froman says:

    This is of course, my opinion, backed up with many years of empirical observation.

    I must be a sexist for noticing the same things.

  10. LBascom says:

    My wife says much the same thing leigh.

  11. leigh says:

    Obviously a wise woman, Lee.

  12. LBascom says:

    My first experience working with women was at an open pit mine. There were a couple of women operating equipment on the crew, but if a guy’s machine broke, he went and helped drag pipe around for the pump crew, or shovel out holes for the drillers until it was fixed. If you had tits, you rode around with the foreman, or played solitaire in the lunchroom.

    I didn’t like it, but then I had a wife that stayed home with the kid, so I guess my opinion is harmful. Never mind.

  13. leigh says:

    I didn’t like it, but then I had a wife that stayed home with the kid, so I guess my opinion is harmful.

    Quite obviously Lee, you are a sexist just like my pal Abe. And me, for that matter.

    I’ve found that most women are not problem-solvers, but hand-wringers. Or as in your example, screwing around with the boss so they can do less work.

    Obviously, this is not all women, but far too many in my experience.

  14. BT says:

    I wonder what percentage of Mormon marriages would be slotted as traditional. I suspect this is nothing more than round 2 of Ann Romney hasn’t worked a day in her life but with more “credentialed” cowbell.

  15. leigh says:

    A huge number of couples live evil traditional marriages. Even the most stident about equal rights find that when push comes to shove, they would rather be the ones raising their kids than the daycare or a nanny.

    It’s getting them to admit it that is the trick.

  16. Abe Froman says:

    My view of women in the workplace is skewed by the fact that most of the good ones leave to be moms and what’s left is the mostly crusty, neurotic hags who stick around to become management. They work long hours because they have no lives, they aren’t particularly efficient, and they routinely make everyone else suffer for it.

  17. LBascom says:

    Leigh, a few years later I found myself managing 30 employees at a restaurant (I was a lowly assistant manager actually), and to tell the truth I think there was as much drama with the guy cooks as there was with the gal waitresses.

    The main differences I saw was, the guys were more likely to get the job done despite personal problems at home or work, and the gals asked for a lot more personalized scheduling.

  18. LBascom says:

    Abe, my main kick is men have to compete with women for all the plumb white collar jobs, but there are none digging ditches, roofing houses, or cleaning porta-potties.

    Seems if we reach full employment for both sexes like the lefties set as their goal, there’s going to be a lot of statistical inequality with the outcome.

    It’s the same deal that resulted in the current situation of more women going to college than men.

    I don’t know if there’s anything for it, except women need to quit acting all put upon.

  19. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    I’ll buck that a bit leigh… & Lee (you guys planned that).

    As a (Dear Lord) approaching the 4-0 bachelor, I’ve dated a few. Mostly rock-star sales gals who don’t call in sick or whine (I have a tendency to poop close to where I eat) . Some with kids. And I’ve seen good and bad in juggling that divorced double life.

    Most are good at it, and have a Greek God kind of stamina I’ll never have or understand. I can honestly get tired hearing about their day.

    But these women? They’re our kind of women. Ain’t no “War” on them. They’re no victims. No bullshit to them whatsoever. They FIND it in their schedule to hit at least one Tea Party rally. They can’t tell you sometimes if they’re “conservative” or “independent”, but they’re out and about. Sounds silly, but they see what the gub’ment takes out of their checks too (and where it goes).

    And I’ve heard the cursed words, “You had your fun, me and the girls are going to (insert place here) for the weekend. You’re keeping (let’s call him little Johnny). Two of his friends are sleeping over Saturday night. We’ll see how you do.

    As I’m a better Uncle than a Dad, those weekends consist of the following:

    1.) Breakfast every meal.

    2.) Every pot & skillet I have dirty (all on the wrong side of the sink).

    3.) At least 10 hours of “Call of Duty”.

    4.) It’s a custom .300 win mag. If you don’t shoulder it good that scope is gonna pop you right in the eye.

    5.) A Cabela’s tent with 4 sleeping bags in the back yard.

    6.) If you’re voted too sticky or too smelly, you get tossed in the pool for five minutes.

    Women.

    Working, or staying at home trying to keep that/ those crazy genius(es) focused.

    God bless all of you.

  20. Darleen says:

    leigh

    I’m with you … I’ve worked my way up into management but I can count on one hand how many competent female bosses I’ve had along the way.

    They perceive everything as a threat to their little kingdom.

    And many times managing an all-female staff is crazy making — the hen party will peck to death an outlier in nothing flat.

    I’ve enjoyed hiring a male into the group when I can. If he has intestinal fortitude, it really quiets down the hens.

  21. LBascom says:

    LYBD, it so happened that my restaurant years coincided with a divorce from a meth addict, and I had custody of our two kids, 4 and 6. Working 80 hrs/wk.

    It wasn’t easy, but you do what you gotta do and it gets done.

    My biggest outrage over the whole thing, the thing that still pisses me off whenever I think of it? When I moved out I left everything, getting my kids a month later, after a harrowing family court experience. During that month the miserable hag sold the genuine 1894 Winchester lever action 30-30 her great grandfather won in a turkey shoot, and was handed down to my son by his grandfather before he died.

    I pretend I forgave her for the kids sake. The Lord knows I have more Christian growing to do…

  22. LBascom says:

    OT, but wow. The fire bombers and helicopters have been flying past my place all week on their way to the George fire, and just now a big ol’ Sikorsky Sky Crane danging a bucket flew directly overhead about 200 ft above me. Very cool.

  23. Slartibartfast says:

    My observation is that some women like teh drama; whereas some men cannot stop talking about their beer-making drama.

    Weird, yes, but in my immediate vicinity it is teh boiz that are talking the most and are most distracting

  24. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    “Management”

    LMAO.

    Darleen, big picture.

    Know when a ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme. That’s the definition of corporate “management”. Little ego fiefdoms hiring & firing, unable to explain why they’re there. And I’m no Ron Paul weirdo. The little details don’t mean shit. You know what you know.

    Too bad Obama won’t let you break into a small business and kick ass.

  25. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Lee, I’ve only long been with one that had that kinda past.

    Disaster.

    Jesus Christ, I can’t imagine having kids involved.

    I’m gonna email Anthony Bourdain, and beg him to take you with him on the road.

    Given his confessions, I think you two would get on like a God Damn house on fire.

    Cook it up.

  26. Sgt. Mom says:

    In one of my last jobs in a small company, I was later given to understand that one of the main reasons that I was hired (by the company owner and his wife, who were equal partners) was that I was a middle-aged woman with proven managerial skilz, a near-adult child flown from the parental nest and a low-maintenance SO of mature age, no criminal record and living several states away. They could absolutely not afford high-maintenance employees. A younger woman with small children and/or a dramatic personal life was high-maintenance and literally unaffordable.

    During the years that I was a mother with a small child, I was in the military, and I don’t believe I ever missed a shift or a day of work because of it. It took a lot of work, which I did, because that was the way it was. But the military is that way … and there was a greater tolerance margin. Not much margin, but there.

    On one memorable occasion, I found one of my troops had taken her infant to work with her, as her husband had gone off on a ski-trip, leaving their child-care arrangements in a shambles. Guess who took the kidlet home, until Mommy was off-shift? Good thing I couldn’t charge anyone for babysitting…
    Yeah, that’s why my nick is Sgt. Mom. Like LBascom said, you gotta do what you gotta do.

  27. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Ok, OT: Stolen from Glenn Beck (what’s on the radio when I’m driving is what’s on the radio when I’m driving…plus I’m on the phone & stuff)

    Tell me this guy is not the same as this guy.

  28. palaeomerus says:

    Dear leftist dweebs,

    This kind of intrusive self righteous shit on your part is why you are losing power and are more and more HATED by the people of this country. Luckily you are too stupid to wise up and fly right. I look forward to seeing you consigned to a sad, despised, irrelevant existence where no one takes you or your idiocy seriously enough for you to be in any position to cause them any harm. I look forward to seeing you in San francisco dragging your pink tank and giant puppets around protesting conflict coffee and wondering how you ended up right back where you were in early 2004.

  29. leigh says:

    Good on you, Sgt. Mom! I always hired middle-aged women with grown kids to answer the phones and do clerical work since they were reliable and hard-working.

    Lamont, sales is a whole other animal. I told you before that I sold cars for a long time to earn money for college and because I liked it. If you’re working straight sales on commission, you better know your stuff inside and out. I was the only girl on my team and I beat the pants off most of the guys I worked with every month.

    Occasionally some dame would get hired (usually because she knew the owner) and swan around the lot, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes and generally costing us money because she didn’t know what she was doing and wouldn’t shut up long enough to learn. The rest of us were pros and made it look easy to them and they’d eventually get discouraged and quit, to the relief of everyone.

    Those were some of the best years of my life. We’d play cribbage when there was no one on the lot, BBQ on the weekends (for us, not the customers) and go out drinking after work at an awesome little horseshoe shaped bar with an ocean view. I was the youngest one there by at least 20 years and the only girl. I was kind of their good luck charm after they learned I could sell ice to Eskimos, knew how to play cards and could drink along with the boys.

    Sales isn’t for everyone, but man! I loved it.

    Good times.

  30. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    I hear you leigh. The best women in my life worked hard to knock my doors off in industrial, medical, or law consulting sales. And boy, howdy…sometimes (hell, often) they did.

    I had to run off to another state and do something else!

  31. Libby says:

    I’m a working mom and I work with many other working moms, and it is sometimes challenging to juggle both work and mom responsibilities. Traveling and working crazy hours on a project cuts into mom time; family stuff like sick kids and appointments w/school & doctors cuts into work time. We all find a way to deal, some more successfully than others. And these bozos are doing their best to smear men whose wives have wisely chosen to try to do one thing well instead of two things not as well as the workplace problem. Gotta love liberal academics!

  32. leigh says:

    Lamont, I got offered a job selling medical equipment once. It involved a huge amount of traveling, including overseas. I was nervous about the travel thing since I was very young and declined to take the job. Oddly, I was dating a guy who traveled internationally all of the time. He used to send me perfume from France and chocolate from Switzerland. He was Russian and had a giant house right on the ocean in Coronado. It was full of Russian antiques and beautiful furniture, with a dining room table as long as a lane on a bowling alley.

    That all came to a halt when I found out he was in the Russian Mafia, quite by accident. I missed all the swag, but not his burly Russian friends. It was like being in a roomful of Putins.

  33. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    And now liegh is in the WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM.

    Russians.

    I’m Irish (here goes the fight with the Scots on my Dad’s side). We blow up things, shoot at stuff, and can’t get drunk.

    Piss off.

    The lot of you.

  34. Darleen says:

    and can’t get drunk.

    … the rest of the sentence being: as long as there exists one blade of grass that you can hold onto and not fall off the face of the earth …

    … the ex, and father of my kids, 2nd generation Irish.

  35. palaeomerus says:

    I’m franco swiss germanic scotch irish but pretty heavy on the german. 75% or so in the blood quantum. That 25% other is probably why I am not a fan of sauerkraut and think brats are a pretty lame excuse for sausage that makes hot dogs look good . I’m a mutt in other words.

  36. palaeomerus says:

    I only know all that because my mom did genealogy as a hobby before the internet made that easy and wouldn’t shut up about that crap. Many a Saturday morning I spent in some boring archive or hall of records making $.05 copies of crap and filling out the forms for prints of microfiche.

    I guess I might have figured it out by actually talking to my relatives but I was born in 71 so I had vidjya games and Starwars to distract me from real life stuff. A whole lot of those relatives are dead now because my parents had me at 38 and I only got to know them as they were entering their sixties. I always had cousins ten years or more older than me and younger cousins who were born when I was twelve or so. No one was my age.

  37. bh says:

    I’m still thinking about Ashley Banfield’s late 90s ass. It’s been on my mind like a bad pop song all day.

    I blame LYBD.

  38. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Well then, Darleen…blade of grass or beautiful poem…you know gravity is a friend of the Irish. And the Irish are all about the ground.

  39. LBascom says:

    heh, Darleen, I thought the end of the sentence was “enough.”

  40. LBascom says:

    LYBD, I don’t know who Anthony Bourdain is, but those problems were long ago. I’m a very happily married* fellow now.

    *my wife makes me say that…

    Kidding!

  41. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    I’m still thinking about Ashley Banfield’s late 90s ass.

    It’s early, but I think that “slow jam” Cinemax stuff will be on in a bit.

    If it’s any consolation, I’m thinking about that ass too.

    Liberal or not, that was a great pooper.

  42. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Lee, happy to hear it. Let her on here and have her tell us dip shit’s what we’re doing wrong.

    If you’ve ever cooked anything, check into Anthony.

    YOU WILL LIKE.

    Trust me.

  43. bh says:

    Shit, Lee, I’ve read a bit upthread now and I think you’re a fucking legend.

    Not everyone’s dad does that. Seriously, lots of dads don’t.

    Cheers, man.

  44. bh says:

    Thread killer.

  45. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Somebody say.

  46. LBascom says:

    LYBD, she’s busy reading the new Cosmo. :-P

    bh, thanks. Like I said, just doing what I had to do.

  47. BigBangHunter says:

    – Darleen sweets, do we need a Frisay dancing ‘dillo edition open thread, or are we officially “silent”?

  48. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Excellent.

    I’m just gonna park my ass, be quiet, wait for the expected knock on the door, and hope she read this month’s Cosmo too.

    I’m excited.

    Like I get to drive a car on Top Gear.

    The BBC one.

    Fun.

  49. LBascom says:

    BBH, I heard something about the armored rodent crashing a health club rumored to have Michele O and Lindsey L as members, last seen headed for the ladies locker room with a video camera, an eight ball and a working title for a low budget film, “the Cuckolding of Khan ” .

  50. BigBangHunter says:

    – I swear, somedat that incorigible shingled menace is going to get replaced by a blond piggy opera diva, or a deep throated baratone bullfrog virtuoso from Newark if he doesn’t change his bad boy ways.

  51. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Stop it, Lee.

    That sounds way too much like a bad episode of Game of Thrones

  52. bh says:

    I might be willing to put money into The Cuckolding of Khan. I smell a hit.

    People love a good story.

  53. Abe Froman says:

    There are good episodes of Game of Thrones?

  54. bh says:

    Yes.

  55. Abe Froman says:

    I gave the show 15 minutes, and it had everything I assiduously avoid in film and television except outer space.

  56. Abe Froman says:

    And I wasn’t entirely convinced that outer space wasn’t inevitable.

  57. bh says:

    I could probably say more but I don’t know what’s turning you off.

    It’s not failing to be something it isn’t. It’s pleasantly pulpy, middle brow and chicks get their tits out.

    Also there’s a wise-cracking dwarf.

    I’ve just described a show better than everything but Breaking Bad and The Wire.

  58. bh says:

    Breaking Bad is back this summer, btw.

    It’s not as popular though. No tits, for one. No Ashley Banfield’s late 90s ass.

    These are all things we’ll stress in The Cuckolding of Khan. Some of our smart-assed midgets will also have great tits, for instance.

    It’s the future.

  59. Abe Froman says:

    Breaking Bad broke a couple of seasons ago for me. The premise was awesome, but once he became a bona fide bad guy it kind of lost me with the dark and claustrophobic nature of where it was going. That and Jesse’s stupidity makes me physically uncomfortable for some reason.

    I just hate sci-fi/fantasy, medieval times and gore, so Game of Thrones seemed like a trifecta of no thank you from the outset.

  60. BigBangHunter says:

    – If theres no plans for Uhura to do the Vulcon mating dance in it then I’ll pass.

  61. bh says:

    How do you feel about Mad Men, Abe? Not that you’re in New York or in that business but the show itself.

    Breaking Bad is probably in the top three for me. I’m not sure how to read your aesthetic sensibilities if you’re not onboard there.

    What do you like?

  62. SDN says:

    I’ve enjoyed hiring a male into the group when I can. If he has intestinal fortitude, it really quiets down the hens.

    Darleen, in my experience that works as long as your company doesn’t have an HR department. If it does, you are instructed to fire your male with fortitude before HR sends the hen party to the EEOC.

  63. Abe Froman says:

    I loved Mad Men when they were in the square sixties, now I still like it but it doesn’t feel so much like a period piece for some reason. Superficially the show is the same, but it feels like it’s lacking the same depth to me.

    Breaking Bad was one of my favorite shows. I just thought it was cool that you had this decent, kind of square guy cooking meth for the sake of his family and then the whole tenor of the show changed when he and idiot boy started cooking for black Colonel Sanders in a secret cubby hole.

  64. bh says:

    Mad Men is probably at a point then where they’ve lost you. I don’t mean to be trite with the Beatles from this season but, yeah, it’s probably a bit like the Beatles. If you don’t like the later stuff, you just don’t like the later stuff.

    Breaking Bad, though, I’d like to make a serious pitch for. Its pacing has often been erratic and is normally back ended every season. Black Colonel Sanders developed into a unique character but only if you enjoyed the character details before the end-of-season return to plot progression. Then, then, it was the very best thing on television.

  65. bh says:

    On topic.

  66. Abe Froman says:

    The thing about Mad Men was that I found the WASPness of it very amusing, and then they decided that they were just going to mask a somewhat modern soap opera in a checklist of sixties cultural changes.

    I probably owe Breaking Bad a revisit. I’ve never watched it on a week by week basis, and maybe the claustrophobia set in from watching three or four hours of it at a clip. Same thing kind of happened to me from watching a bunch of episodes of The Office (UK) non-stop back in the day. It was a brilliant show, but a very draining show to watch like that.

  67. Pablo says:

    *SPOILER ALERT*

    Yeah, but then they blowed back Col Sanders up after he killed the cartel so I’m still very interested in the end of the story.

  68. bh says:

    Your Gervais Office reference makes sense to me, Abe. I get what you’re saying now.

  69. motionview says:

    They spent the first season of Mad Men just being entertaining, to suck people in, and now they are gonna learn us.

  70. bh says:

    *SPOILER ALERT REACTION*

    Those are all great, great scenes, Pablo.

    The end of the story is perfectly set up now. Walter finally stops caring and just becomes the bad guy.

    Good times.

  71. geoffb says:

    OT: 70 House Members to Call on DOJ to Investigate SWATting of Conservative Bloggers

  72. geoffb says:

    One more. Racine voting problems.

  73. bh says:

    Stupid Racine.

  74. BigBangHunter says:

    – A lot of these pieces of evidence like some of the postings on Paterico’a site and the telephone messages sound like some young lefty nutbag trying to stir up the shit as they see the movement starting to crash and burn.

    – Wouldn’t be surprised if this sort of craziness escalates in the next few months. You just know the true believers won’t be able to control their criminal natures.

  75. BigBangHunter says:

    – Speaking of which….
    duechesbags

  76. B Moe says:

    The Democrat won in Racine, how could there be a problem with voting?

  77. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Allahpundit has taught me a new phrase.

    Galactic Boondoggle

    Try it out.

    Say, “Obamacare is a Galactic Boondoggle”

    See.

    It’s fun.

    Also, Drudge is crazy this morning. Not any particular article.

    All of it.

    I don’t know whether to move the hand on the Doomsday Clock or goofy grin roll in the grass with the Beagle.

  78. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Oh, and Don Rickles makes us remember the funny.

    The ROOF! The ROOF! The roof is on fire! We don’t need no water let th…well you get it.

    Old guy did good.

  79. motionview says:

    Rickles is a comic and not a party hack.

  80. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    mv,

    And here I thought the Comedy Central Pamela Anderson roast was good.

    And…man.

    It was.

    But Rickles found his old droopy balls, and went to town on Obama (and everybody else in the room).

    God bless him.

  81. Dave J says:

    Actually its true….I really made advances on the corporate ladder while I kept my barefoot pregnant wife shackled between the sink, stove and homeschool supplies. Our daughters learned invaluable lessons sitting stoically at the kitchen table watching their mother successfully multitask thus “constrained”.
    But alas, once her productive years where passed, I thought it best to temporarily release the shackles for certain periods of each day in order for her to carry her next equality load and do her fair share of household income home bringing. As a good Christian woman she graciously understands and accepts the roles within the “seasons” of her life.
    This strategy has allowed us..or me rather to reach a much deserved place of “semi-retirement” as she liberates more of her workplace freedom. She payed off most of our debt and now helps fund our man toy purchases with cash$.
    I could go on and on but at the risk of making too many like her overly successful and men everywhere content, I shall refrain.

  82. leigh says:

    Well, Dave; The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world.

  83. jdw says:

    Rickles is always hilarious, but they’ll now disinvite him every chance they get since he blew on *that* dog whistle.

    OT, but you philosophy firster sorts take a look at this.

    Why do physicists have to be so churlish toward philosophy?

    The whine, it is palpable.

  84. leigh says:

    I doubt that Rickles gives a damn, jdw. The man is 86 years old.

  85. Darleen says:

    I’ve loved Rickles for ages and his line about Obama is schtick he’s been doing for 60 odd years.

    He’s supposed to stop now because we have a Messiah in the White House?

  86. leigh says:

    Me, too Darleen. I saw Mr. Warmthj in Las Vegas ages ago and he takes no prisoners.

    Also, that joke he told was a play on Obama’s own words. Remember when he told us “Why don’t you get a mop…” So Rickles saying that “the mop broke” was very clever. Obviously too much so for the sophisticates in the crowd.

  87. leigh says:

    whre did that j come from? Stupid keyboard.

  88. Darleen says:

    Leigh

    Actually, I don’t remember that line from Obama, but his “I shouldn’t make fun of blacks” then launching into skewering stereotypes is decades old.

  89. jdw says:

    Obama’s peevishness, partnered with a mop

    “What I reject is when some folks sit on the sidelines and root for failure,” he said at a fundraiser in San Francisco where he was joined by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

    “I’m busy,” he told the crowd. “Nancy’s busy with her mop cleaning up somebody else’s mess. We don’t want somebody sitting back saying you’re not holding the mop the right way.

    “Why don’t you grab a mop? Why don’t you help clean up?

    “You’re not mopping fast enough,” the president said, imitating his critics’ comments.

    “That’s a socialist mop.

    “Grab a mop!” he demanded. “Let’s get to work.”

    Let’s mop the floor with him in November, shall we?

  90. leigh says:

    I remember it because I heard it a hundred times at the beginning of Laura Ingraham’s radio show. Her engineer puts together a montage of officials saying stupid things or she takes them out of context. In the case of Obama saying “why don’t you get a mop”, she had it juxtaposed with Michelle’s whining about her work “sometimes you just come home tired. I mean tired” followed by Obama’s “Why don’t you get a mop…”

    It was a scream.

    Remember the Rat Pack? Those guys skewered the hell out of each other. How insensitive! Heh.

  91. leigh says:

    Thanks, jdw!

  92. Darleen says:

    jdw

    Thanks! I had forgotten that. Leigh, none of the am stations in my area carry Ingraham anymore, so I missed the montage.

  93. John Bradley says:

    Wildly OT: Does anyone here read regularly Ace’s comment sections?

    I’m curious about what has set him off this time (“all commenting is disabled until you people behave yourselves and I get a registration system on-line,” to paraphrase).

  94. leigh says:

    I never read him, John. I thought he was going dark on Friday. Maybe he forgot to turn the lights back on.

  95. BigBangHunter says:

    – Obama’s new Federsl agency: DOSRS – Department of Shovel Ready Speeches

    “Why do physicists have to be so churlish toward philosophy?”

    – As Jim Belushi would say were he alive today: “….One word….Mental Masterbation!…”

  96. motionview says:

    I saw that this morning too John; part of the whole Kimberlin thing is outing Ace. The blog is under heavy scrutiny, and Ace may be being advised that the comments are putting him in some legal jeopardy. It is a heavy traffic blog to have open commenting.

  97. geoffb says:

    They have a temp-comment place up here.

  98. geoffb says:

    A piece about the problem that led to Ace blocking all comments.

  99. geoffb says:

    BTW. That piece states that no other site allows the freedom in comments that Ace does. I disagree there. There is another community where we are free to comment. It’s here.

  100. BigBangHunter says:

    – Flame wars and troll baiting is so 1990’s. Who does that anymore?

  101. leigh says:

    Thanks for the link, geoff. That’s too bad for Ace.

  102. palaeomerus says:

    I’m really more than a little tired of hearing Ace go from edgy to righteously appalled in a heartbeat.

    Yeah, I know he’s scared right now, and that the political climate is full of rat fucking and law suits and other madness. I know it is likely to get worse and that a lot of the judges and lawyers out there want to use the law as arbitrary whips and shackles for their enemies and a shield for themselves with no concern for common sense, fairness, the constitution, or any thing we’d recognize as a professional virtue. I know that unofficial speech codes and association can be turned into an expensive litigious nightmare. I know that Moby is out there stirring the pot and salting the fields. I know that once allied blogs will cheerfully exile and eat each other when their common cause begins to evaporate.

    But you can’t tell everyone that you’re there to dance on the periphery of the minefield and live dangerously then complain when your commenters tend to be people who want to do the same thing.

    You also can’t post photoshop cartoons about being a serial killer ewok stalker who’s going to fuck Alan Grayson up the ass by force one second, and then tell everybody to grow up and show some decorum and consideration the next.

    Ace needs to pick a damned road and walk it. He can’t be a respectable titan of credibility, fairness, and gentleman’s honor one second and then a crazy, off the rails, bolt of inspired political rant lightning the next. The two don’t mesh.

    You need to pick shit talk and the consequences and benefits of of that, or you pick classiness and the consequences and benefits of that. If you try to be both you’ll trip over your own feet or end up a massless cynical holographic chameleon that can’t be trusted in either role.

    And frankly registration is fine as an option but without the commenter community being edgy and angry I wouldn’t have much reason to ever read Ace at all. Registration is usually a prelude to purges and community pruning. I don’t think that’s what most of his commenters like about his site.

    I think this is semi-LGF territory he’s treading.

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